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post Mar 3 2013, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(crazy25kid @ Mar 3 2013, 05:36 PM)
driving a cab is a very high paying job with flexible working hours if u put in the same amt of effort to climb the corporate ladder

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/%E2%80%98s-7k-a-m...t%E2%80%99.html

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I’ve heard of some drivers who work 15 or 16 hours a day, and who earn about $4,000 to $5,000 a month

... driving for eight hours a night on a good day, he can take home about $158 after fuel and rental. In a month of 25 days of work, his income can come to about $3,000. Even if a driver does two shifts of 16 hours, he would get about $5,400.

... while that cabby does earn $6,000 a month, he drives from 7:30am to 2:30am, six days a week.


I'm not sure if $6k on 100 hours/week qualifies as "high income" hmm.gif
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Car Buying Costs Breakdown / My Take on MAS ruling and New Tier Tax Structure on ARF


With the new restrictions from MAS on car loans and also on the New Tier Tax Structure on ARF taxes announced as part of Budget 2013, I thought I will list the following out to help people understand car buying in general in Singapore, as I was very surprised that the few people I spoke to and who owned vehicles did not understand or have any clue on how are cars priced in Singapore and what are the factors contributing to the exorbitant amount of cash we paid for our set of wheels in Singapore.


Car prices in Singapore are priced on the following:

A) OMV (Open Market Value): OMV is assessed by the Singapore Customs, taking into account purchase price, freight, insurance and all other charges incidental to the sale and delivery of the car from country of manufacture to Singapore. This means your beloved set of wheels actually costs lesser from the manufacturer and the OMV is not the selling price from the manufacturer to the local authorized dealer. If you are looking for the OMV of any vehicles, you are welcome to click on the following link:

http://www.onemotoring.com.sg/publish/onem...rket_value.html

B) COE (Certificate of Entitlement): This is pretty much self-explanatory. Every neighborhood Uncle / Aunties /Ah Gong / Ah Ma knows about the COE. We have Cat A, B, C, D, and E. For the benefit of discussion on private motor vehicles, we really only need to be looking at Cat A: (1600CC and below), Cat B: (Above 1600CC), and Cat E: (Open Cat, where we can use it for vehicles in both Either A or B).

There are a lot of critiques on whether the current COE system actually does what it was intended for, and also with many people crying for a revamp of the system, but I’m sure with the new MAS ruling and New Tier tax structure on the ARF announced just last night, these people probably would have wished that they have shut up instead because they just received 1 mega driver slap in their faces from our ruling party despite predictions that COE prices will come down with the new MAS Ruling working hand in hand with the New Tax Rate Structure on ARF if Budget 2013 is approved and moved in Parliament. (mildly is my guess).

C) ARF (Additional Registration Fees) 100% of the OMV based on the existing ruling before Budget 2013. This translates to a pure gravy transfer from our bank account into the government coffer.

With Budget 2013, a new tier ARF tax structure is in place. If the OMV of your dream vehicle is;

Example: OMV of an Entry level BMW 320I is currently at $36, 486 (Based on the link above). The ARF for this vehicle will now be 100% of the first $20,000 and 140% of the remaining $16,486 which is $23,080. Adding both $20,000 and $23,080 gives you the final ARF of $43,080.

You are now paying an extra $6594 ($43,080 - $36,486) because the OMV is > $20,000. So in short, the higher the OMV, the more ARF you pay.

D) Excise Duty: 20% of the OMV. This is a straight up additional form of duty fees imposed on top of the ARF that goes straight to the Government account.

E) GST: 7% GST on the Custom Duty + OMV. A form of consumption taxes that is imposed to transfer your hard earned cash into the government account based on the value of goods that you have consumed.

F) Registration Fees of $140. (Well, someone needs to do the administrative tasks and all the paperwork required right? We have a first world civil services and they really need to be paid).

G) Vehicle Plate Fees of $30. You wheels needs to be properly identified and tag so that it makes our friendly “Summon Auntie” job easier. They do need to take down your car license plate if you have over parked or parked in a lorry lot (sounds familiar?), or for our brave TP who chases you down the PIE at 150km/h.

H) Whatever else more you paid on top of the 7 points above = Authorized Dealer’s profit. You can’t expect them to do all this for you for free, can you? Btw, this is a really very huge margin after you do your calculation. But I don’t blame them. They need to pay good commission to their Sales Executives and also on their marketing campaign (VW is really good at that I must say). In addition, as one of my friends, KC had pointed out, the AD also bears the Warranty of the vehicle for whatever amount of years they promised to you in the sales agreement, together with an "X" number of times of free servicing which they deem ok to dish out.

I) CEV (Carbon Emission Vehicle) Rebates or Surcharge: Finally, after all the 8 points above, we are finally getting some form of rebates (or Surcharges Ha-ha). To keep things simple, rebates are given from $0 to $20,000 if your vehicle is environmentally friendly and penalized with Surcharge from again $0 to $20,000 if it pollutes mother nature and our ozone layer.

To put things into perspective, I will provide an example of a cost breakdown of all factors listed above that makes up the car prices with the New Tier Tax Structure on the ARF with 2 examples below. (I.E. Friendly Family Toyota Altis 1.6L, and a Higher end Luxurious BMW 320I 2.0L )

* Assumption: I have not included the CEV into the calculations for both examples.
* I have also used the COE based on the 2nd Open Bidding for Month of Feb-2013 with the New Tier Tax structure on OMV > $20,000 in Example 2 below for the BMW 320I 2.0L
* Please also note that OMVs values are not always the same even on the same model of vehicles and they fluctuate with every shipment (mild fluctuation really). This in turns cause ARF values to change as well as Custom Duties and GST. Of course COEs are on bidded basics as well. Therefore car prices are always volatile.

Example 1: Toyota Altis 1.6L
OMV: $15,270
COE: $78,301 (Based on 2nd Open Bidding for Month of Feb-2013 for CAT A)
ARF: $15,270 (100% of OMV only since OMV is less than $20,000)
Custom Duty: $3,054 (20% of OMV)
GST: $1,283 (Based on 7% of OMV + Custom Duty)
Registration Fees: $140
Vehicle Plate Fees: $30
Total Cost of Car: $113, 348 (Add up all 1 to 7 together)
Borneo Motor List Price: $139,988 (Price with Guaranteed Gold COE within 3 months from Borneo website)
Difference: $26,640 (Translates to Profits for Borneo Motor or whatever they can keep after their operating costs are subtracted.)

Example 2: BMW 320I 2.0L
OMV: $36,486
COE: $92,667 (Based on 2nd Open Bidding for Month of Feb-2013 for CAT B)
ARF: $43,080 (Additional Tax Structure of 140% applies to excess $16,486)
Custom Duty: $7,297 (20% of OMV)
GST: $3,064 (Based on 7% of OMV + Custom Duty)
Registration Fees: $140
Vehicle Plate Fees: $30
Total Cost of Car: $182,764 (Add up all 1 to 7 together)
Performance Motor List Price: $216,800
Difference: $34,036 (Translates to Profits for Performance Motor or whatever they can keep after their operating costs are subtracted.)

In conclusion, I hope this article have helped car buyers understand what they are paying for when they go car shopping and also a deeper appreciation of the amount of money that really ends up with the government because if you look at both examples above, significant amount of what you paid for your car goes to them (Point 2, 3, 4, and 5)

With the new MAS ruling already in effect today, many are anticipating that COE will drop due to lesser demand as the lower middle class looks very likely to be squeezed out of the market with a 40% or 50% down payment depending on the types of car they would like to purchase. The middle and upper middle class would also be struggling to purchase a vehicle due to the same reason above and also with the additional higher monthly installment over a 5 years max loan tenure.

This maximum loan tenure of 5 years might also create an adverse impact on the bank’s interest rate (currently at 1.88%). It is highly likely that our banks will be increasing interest rates for car loans now due to shorter loan tenure and smaller amount of principal amount loaned.

My own prediction is prices of COE will drop but the drop will not be significant mainly because COE growth rate is currently reduced to 0.5% from February 2013 onwards and on top of that LTA has also reduced the amount of COE allocated from the total pool for CAT E: Open Category for which is usually used for Luxury Car further from 20% to 15%. With lesser supply, and steady demand. It is very unlikely prices will flucutuate wildy.

The rich will still be able to afford new vehicles as they are cash rich, but in a way they will also be paying more (alot more, really) because of the New Tier tax structure. The New Tier Tax Structure translates to a whopping increment of 180% tax imposed on cars with OMV > $50,000 and believe me when i say that is alot of additional cash they have to shell out just to own a supercar. (Porsche, Lamborghini, and Ferraris are no longer as cheap as it once was to them and if they really do purchase it, we can all shout "Hurray" because Budget 2014 will see those money translates into social spending, hopefully).

In all scenarios, I think the best thing to do now is to exercise constraints and prudence. Cash is King in Singapore. Waiting for the situation to play out and watching how these changes impacts the automobile industry as a whole and how the automobile industry reacts to them will be the better option for now.


Footnote: Entry Level Porsche 911 3.8L OMV average is $132, 053. And we are not even going to talk about Lambo or Ferraris where their OMV are in ranges of $350,000 and up. This translate to an ARF of $20,000 for the first Tier of OMV of 100% , $42,000 on the second tier between $20,001 to $50000 range at 140% , and a whopping $147,695 on the last tier for the remainer amount at 180%.

Effectively, the new ARF for a Porsche now is $209,695, a good $77,000 increase from what it was before. Think about what you want to do with all that money instead.

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post Mar 4 2013, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(JohnJon82 @ Mar 3 2013, 01:40 AM)
Don't feel anything.

Unless you are really a talent and can keep it that way, and work on EP forever, then you are a FT. If not, after some years, your skills degenerate, become normal worker. You apply and get PR, SG put you inside their resident stats. Grow old a bit, start family, pay house pay car, suddenly everything so exp. New batch of younger, more updated skill FT come in, then you will be one of the author of those articles.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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So true, it's not don't feel anything but more like don't need to feel anything.

QUOTE(newaisa @ Mar 3 2013, 02:25 PM)
Almost every single time when I am in a cab the driver would start to complain foreigner as well...(I take cab everyday to customer site)

I would say I got used to it....they never realize I myself is foreigner....I always respond with "oh...ok..."

Then they will continue with their stories like....

"u know...government should increase all local people salary first before bringing in more foreigner...how can they bla bla bla"
I replied in my heart "If you are such a good planner you wouldn't be driving taxi already lor"  icon_idea.gif  icon_idea.gif

Anyway, hatred towards foreigner exists in every single country to some extent.
Just get used to it as you can't shut people's mouth  nod.gif
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Not just taxi drivers. My landlord said the same thing "government no take care of us" and all those usual they-took-our-job talks. rclxub.gif

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post Mar 4 2013, 04:08 PM

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Is tax season again...

Anyone here has any experience with Malaysian tax under 'bukan Permastautin' (MY non-resident) and with Malaysia-Singapore double taxation treaty ?

Scenario where 2012 Malaysian salary will be tax 26% without 'pelepasan' due to > 60days < 183 days in Malaysia.

If my reading/ understanding is correct, one can be a Malaysian tax resident even if > 60days < 183 days in Malaysia (ie SG tax resident) ?

http://www.hasil.gov.my/pdf/pdfam/Singapore.pdf
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QUOTE(LiangZhuge @ Mar 4 2013, 04:08 PM)
Is tax season again...

I don't think my scenario is exactly the same as yours, but when I came over to SG, I had worked in MY for only 4 months i.e. ~120 days. Under MY tax rules I am still considered as a "Tax Resident" for that year (despite being less than 182 days) because under dunno what section 7 it was linked to > 182 days in the preceding year.
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Mar 4 2013, 04:34 PM)
I don't think my scenario is exactly the same as yours, but when I came over to SG, I had worked in MY for only 4 months i.e. ~120 days. Under MY tax rules I am still considered as a "Tax Resident" for that year (despite being less than 182 days) because under dunno what section 7 it was linked to > 182 days in the preceding year.
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This is what I found

http://www.hasil.gov.my/pdf/pdfam/3656.pdf

Seems to be correct for our cases (less than 182 days). Also applicable for anyone who is a tax resident for 3 years in a row (if I read / understand correctly) ~ legal jargon rclxub.gif

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linked by or to another per
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two or more consecutive days (
hereinafter referred to in
this paragraph as such period)
throughout which he is in
Malaysia in the basis year
for the year of assessment
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ear of assessment
or in that basis year for the year of assessment
immediately following that par
ticular year of assessment:
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Dear all,

For the past month I have been sending my résumé through job street.sg and till now I still have not received any calls for interview. Just wondering, based on your experience is my application been rejected? I have stated my availability date which is on 1st of June.

I am currently doing mechanical engineering and will be graduating in June. Please advise.

Thanks.

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post Mar 4 2013, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(codenamew @ Mar 4 2013, 05:30 PM)
Dear all,

For the past month I have been sending my résumé through job street.sg and till now I still have not received any calls for interview. Just wondering, based on your experience is my application been rejected? I have stated my availability date which is on 1st of June.

I am currently doing mechanical engineering and will be graduating in June. Please advise.

Thanks.
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Will be graduating in June?? now is just March. You can apply only when you are +- 1 month from the day you graduated, you apply so early, within these three months i think they can get more immediate candidate rather than hire you and wait for three months until you start work.
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post Mar 4 2013, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(codenamew @ Mar 4 2013, 05:30 PM)
Dear all,

For the past month I have been sending my résumé through job street.sg and till now I still have not received any calls for interview. Just wondering, based on your experience is my application been rejected? I have stated my availability date which is on 1st of June.

I am currently doing mechanical engineering and will be graduating in June. Please advise.

Thanks.
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Some company will only response sometime after closing date, after they filter out all the application, drink some coffee, eat some kuih, then call or email you. Longest period I encounter is about 3-4 months after I send out my application.

June is still very long. Some company is willing to prebook you, but some urgent post can't wait or they don't want to take risk of waiting for someone with uncertainties. I graduated last time end June and I got my job in April, some of my friends got theirs earlier than me. You will be competing with few hundreds of locally produced mechanical engineer who are graduating around that time too. But you are perfectly fine and tuned to the kiasu semangat here already. Good luck. thumbup.gif
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And Singapore thinks it has a problem with Foreign Talent... sheeesh... Drive the Sulus into the sea!

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post Mar 5 2013, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(JungWoo @ Mar 4 2013, 08:33 AM)
How much alaska gov will pay me? I feel want go liao.. how about unemployment issue & job opportunity?
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QUOTE(seantang @ Mar 4 2013, 06:49 PM)
And Singapore thinks it has a problem with Foreign Talent... sheeesh... Drive the Sulus into the sea!

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are you racist? those people are innocent... because msian gov allow them to enter and they enter to have a better life doesnt mean they are causing trouble.. the ones that are causing trouble are the followers of sulu sultan

just like us... singaporeans are angry bout foreigners, is it our fault? we are just trying to make a living.. just because some east msians chop ppl up doesnt mean all the malaysians are bad.. just ban the east malaysians... just take action againts the illegal militant terrorist

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Mar 5 2013, 12:01 AM)
are you racist? those people are innocent... because msian gov allow them to enter and they enter to have a better life doesnt mean they are causing trouble.. the ones that are causing trouble are the followers of sulu sultan

just like us... singaporeans are angry bout foreigners, is it our fault? we are just trying to make a living.. just because some east msians chop ppl up doesnt mean all the malaysians are bad.. just ban the east malaysians... just take action againts the illegal militant terrorist

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Are you stupid? All I did was post a demographic and say that Singapore's number of FTs pales in comparison to Sabah's. Why do you have your panties in knot?

Besides, do you know nothing of the blue IC issues, population "rebalancing" activities that is going on? Are you so foolish to believe that these people are totally innocent and oblivious of their "voting" and demographic responsibilities? Do you not think >1 million of them will have some sort of leadership and organisation that orchestrates their activities?

Have you heard nothing of the reasons why a mere 100 pirates have been able to hold off the ATM? Who is supporting, hiding, feeding them? Reinforcing their numbers even?

Please.., use your brain, even if it's just a little bit before you try to be a hero. Your outburst is childish, foolish and ignorant. .!..

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Hi guys,

I have a common room for share at Ang Mo Kio Ave 8 Blk 505.

Looking for a male professional to share a common room with another Chinese male, below are the details:

> 10 mins walk to Ang Mo Kio MRT stn
> Downstair have hawker centres, 7-eleven, clinic, convenience stores
> Fully furnised
> Got aircond + wifi
> Can cook, do laundry
> All chinese tenants currently
> Available from 1 April 2013
> No owner + no agent fees required
> Price: $365 (excl PUB) + 1 month deposit

If interested, please PM me, sms/call 90695152(Paul) or 90488493(Danny) for more info and schedule viewing.

Thanks.
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Mar 5 2013, 12:01 AM)
are you racist? those people are innocent... because msian gov allow them to enter and they enter to have a better life doesnt mean they are causing trouble.. the ones that are causing trouble are the followers of sulu sultan

just like us... singaporeans are angry bout foreigners, is it our fault? we are just trying to make a living.. just because some east msians chop ppl up doesnt mean all the malaysians are bad.. just ban the east malaysians... just take action againts the illegal militant terrorist

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His post no racism inside leh just some stats, yours have. What just ban the east Malaysians... this is not racist is what, some more racist against own country. Other part of Malaysia never commit crime or murder in SG? East Malaysia all savages that wield knife instead of keyboard and mouse for living?
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From the statistics, those numbers are staggering.
I empathize with these people as they are generally here for a living, but are these people registered with the authority? Or they are illegal immigrants?

Economic migrants are very common now.
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Malaysia population is small la.because of that malaysia not developed. you see in KL no traffic jam, in negeri sembilan like grave liao..
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Mar 5 2013, 12:01 AM)
are you racist? those people are innocent... because msian gov allow them to enter and they enter to have a better life doesnt mean they are causing trouble.. the ones that are causing trouble are the followers of sulu sultan

just like us... singaporeans are angry bout foreigners, is it our fault? we are just trying to make a living.. just because some east msians chop ppl up doesnt mean all the malaysians are bad.. just ban the east malaysians... just take action againts the illegal militant terrorist

please think twice before you post!  vmad.gif  mad.gif
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What is that "just ban the east malaysians?" Please think twice before you post! vmad.gif mad.gif especially what you want to criticize others. You just made a fool out of yourself.
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Mar 5 2013, 12:01 AM)
are you racist? those people are innocent... because msian gov allow them to enter and they enter to have a better life doesnt mean they are causing trouble.. the ones that are causing trouble are the followers of sulu sultan

just like us... singaporeans are angry bout foreigners, is it our fault? we are just trying to make a living.. just because some east msians chop ppl up doesnt mean all the malaysians are bad.. just ban the east malaysians... just take action againts the illegal militant terrorist

please think twice before you post!  vmad.gif  mad.gif
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You have offended quite a number of people.
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Mar 5 2013, 12:53 PM)
IT show which EO?
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