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bobafett
post Nov 11 2025, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Nov 10 2025, 01:46 PM)
KUALA LUMPUR: The Employees Provident Fund (EPF) has been central to Malaysia's retirement system, ensuring financial security for workers.

Yet economists warn that longer lifespans, higher healthcare costs, and mounting financial pressures may test its sustainability.

Certified Shariah Advisor (CSA) and Islamic Financial Planner (IFP) Dr Mohamed Hadi Abd Hamid said the EPF's structure must reflect the financial and demographic realities of modern times.

"A sustainable mechanism such as structured monthly payments will help prevent retirees from depleting their savings too quickly.

"It is not only an economic reform but a moral one, ensuring that those who have contributed to the nation's growth can retire with dignity," said Mohamed Hadi.

This evolving challenge has prompted the government to consider a major reform, introducing a monthly pension-style withdrawal scheme under the 13th Malaysia Plan (RMK13).

Announced earlier this year, the proposed scheme would split members' savings into two parts: a flexible portion accessible at age 55 and a dedicated pension component providing monthly payments for life or until the balance is exhausted.

The aim is to create lasting income stability while preserving individual choice.
According to the Ministry of Finance, contributors should ideally have RM240,000 by 55 to receive roughly RM1,700 a month for 20 years.

Yet most Malaysians retire with less than RM50,000, a sum that often lasts only a few years.

To address this, the government is studying a dual-structure model where one portion of EPF savings remains accessible upon retirement, while another is reserved for structured monthly payouts.

Deputy Finance Minister Lim Hui Ying recently clarified that existing members will retain their current rights, with the new structure applying automatically to future contributors while remaining optional for others.

In practice, the model could be flexible enough to suit various retirement goals. For instance, a contributor with RM53,000 at 55 could withdraw RM250 monthly while preserving capital, or RM500 a month for about 12 years.

Meanwhile, for those with RM500,000, monthly payments of RM2,500 could be sustained without eroding the principal entirely.

"This dual structure provides both freedom and stability. It recognises that while some flexibility is necessary, many contributors need a system that protects them from outliving their savings.

"It also nurtures financial discipline, an essential element of retirement security," said INCEIF University Centre of Excellence for Research and Innovation in Islamic Economics (i-RISE) interim director Dr Mohd Zaidi Md Zabri.

By 2040, one in five Malaysians will be aged 60 or older.

Without reform, Mohd Zaidi believes the nation risks a generation of retirees without adequate income, creating heavier social and economic burdens.

"The proposed monthly pension option under RMK13 is therefore not merely an economic initiative.

"It is a national responsibility and a moral commitment to protect workers who have dedicated their lives to building the country," he added.
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Life exectancy Malaysia
https://open.dosm.gov.my/dashboard/life-expectancy
Male: 73.1 years
Female: 77.9 years


And 10 years before that, many illness kicks in (Meaning at 63.1 / 67.9 years old)

When can retire, and reach 55 , enjoy your EPF savings. You don't have many years to enjoy

Travel insurance also susah and expensive.

Why work so hard, save money, refuse to spend, and help fund the doctors, biopharma companies.









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post Nov 11 2025, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(bobafett @ Nov 11 2025, 01:33 PM)
Life exectancy Malaysia
https://open.dosm.gov.my/dashboard/life-expectancy
Male: 73.1 years
Female: 77.9 years
And 10 years before that, many illness kicks in  (Meaning at 63.1  / 67.9 years old)

When can retire, and reach 55 , enjoy your EPF savings.  You don't have many years to enjoy

Travel insurance also susah and expensive.

Why work so hard, save money, refuse to spend, and help fund the doctors, biopharma companies.
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How come life expectancy so low in malaysia? Singapore average is 83.
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post Nov 11 2025, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(batman1172 @ Nov 11 2025, 02:00 PM)
How come life expectancy so low in malaysia? Singapore average is 83.
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Higher does not mean better.
Can be spending more money to keep one alive. Whether it is quality or not, we may not know.
The person could be lying in the hostpital bed with all tubings or lying on home bed being cared by maid or family members for many years. Everyone involved suffers.


Nowadays we heard many cardiac failures , just die, while playing badminton. Die in sleep. This type is immediate mati, dont spend money for treatment, age can be young.

The take away message is that, once you reach 55 or above, better go enjoy what you have been saving for so many years.

If married, go enjoy with your wife. If havechildren, let them work it out themselves.

This post has been edited by bobafett: Nov 11 2025, 02:39 PM
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post Nov 11 2025, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(bobafett @ Nov 11 2025, 01:25 PM)
CPF Contribution have annual salary cap or max contribution.
If follow CPF, then EPF giving 2.5% and 4% interest, EPF members can accept?
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They only want that part of monthly payout till the end of life....
not this 2.5% 4.0% .. .but 6-6.5% dividends...: 😂😆

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post Nov 11 2025, 04:10 PM

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The reason for 5 to 6% return is due to the "premium" compensation on the illiquidity of EPF.

Bigger portions of EPF portfolio is quite illiquid anyway.

So, locking up contributor for longer periods and reducing the yield by a few basis points (politically acceptable amount ) can extend the survivability of the retirement fund.


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QUOTE(boyboycute @ Nov 11 2025, 04:10 PM)
The reason for 5 to 6% return is due to the "premium" compensation on the illiquidity of EPF.

Bigger portions of EPF portfolio is quite illiquid anyway.

So, locking up contributor for longer periods and reducing the yield by a few basis points (politically acceptable amount ) can extend the survivability of the retirement fund.
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Don't understand what you mean....

Epf div is not tied to the actual performance of the underlying assets held, but based on "premium"???

What's this premium about?
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post Nov 11 2025, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(boyboycute @ Nov 11 2025, 04:10 PM)
The reason for 5 to 6% return is due to the "premium" compensation on the illiquidity of EPF.

Bigger portions of EPF portfolio is quite illiquid anyway.

So, locking up contributor for longer periods and reducing the yield by a few basis points (politically acceptable amount ) can extend the survivability of the retirement fund.
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Your first part 5-6% return is referring to our EPF....we have better return and better withdrawal liquidity ....but unable to give out monthly payment for life ....the illiquidity should be the Singapore CPF...and worse ;return also lower ..2.5 -4%•

Second part is correct locking up Singapore CPF for life allows them to get monthly pay out for life ...

So by extension in future when EPF pays monthly allowance for life don't expect so high dividend any more ..
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post Nov 11 2025, 07:01 PM

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If EPF members want monthly payout for life, are they willing to “lock” few hundred Ks in EPF from 55 yo to 65 yo.

And from 65 yo , starts the monthly payout for life?

EPF members can approach insurance companies which sells similar annuity plan. Understand what it is and decide whether they want such annuity plan by EPF. lol 😆
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post Nov 11 2025, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(bobafett @ Nov 11 2025, 07:01 PM)
If  EPF members want monthly payout for life,  are they willing to “lock” few hundred Ks in EPF from 55 yo to 65 yo.

And from 65 yo , starts the monthly payout for life?

EPF members can approach insurance companies which sells similar annuity plan. Understand what it is and decide whether they want such annuity plan by EPF. lol 😆
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In all honesty, if such lifetime annuities is offered by EPF and guaranteed by EPF & gov of Malaysia, it is worth a big consideration.
Of course, final decision should be based on respective members (ie members have the right to opt in or reject for their respective cases) and after full disclosure of the parameters and numbers.

for example, in the earlier article shared by bro virtualgay at post 25886, it was mentioned that
"...for those with RM500,000, monthly payments of RM2,500 could be sustained without eroding the principal entirely"

This 6% payout in perpetuity till death of the members PLUS other features to be disclosed should be the starting point.

So yeah, I am pro... pending full details for final decision... icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Nov 11 2025, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Nov 11 2025, 08:05 PM)
In all honesty, if such lifetime annuities is offered by EPF and guaranteed by EPF & gov of Malaysia, it is worth a big consideration.
Of course, final decision should be based on respective members (ie members have the right to opt in or reject for their respective cases) and after full disclosure of the parameters and numbers.

for example, in the earlier article shared by bro virtualgay at post 25886, it was mentioned that
"...for those with RM500,000, monthly payments of RM2,500 could be sustained without eroding the principal entirely"

This 6% payout in perpetuity till death of the members PLUS other features to be disclosed should be the starting point.

So yeah, I am pro... pending full details for final decision...  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Quick calculation:
set aside RM500K at 55 yo
Let it compound interest at 6% yearly, for 10 yrs.
At 65 yo, it will be RM 895,423

EPF pays member from 65 yo till the member dies .
Per month RM2.5K as suggested . It will take around 30 yrs to break even.


In Spore, if put SGD426K at 55 yo, compound interest at 4% for 10 yrs, they get RM 3.3K per month till the member dies .


EPF should pay more monthly payout because of higher interest plus higher amount at RM500K


😂

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post Nov 11 2025, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(bobafett @ Nov 11 2025, 07:01 PM)
If  EPF members want monthly payout for life,  are they willing to “lock” few hundred Ks in EPF from 55 yo to 65 yo.

And from 65 yo , starts the monthly payout for life?

EPF members can approach insurance companies which sells similar annuity plan. Understand what it is and decide whether they want such annuity plan by EPF. lol 😆
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EPF in its current form benefits the higher income categories more...which many in here belong to ....don't realized or refused to acknowledge........leading to abuses for wanting it's high yield but not it's recent restrictive adjustment.....

so much so that some has been pumping in cash just as high yield Casa ATM.......but started complaining incessantly when laxity is curtailed with recent changes proposed.....now slowly morphing towards the CPF way...

So I was surprised why many has been voicing their support when I remember their mantra it is me first who cares about social responsibility
Who cares what is good for the country....: 😂

One or two who have moved out most of their EPF money overseas.....seem to be fully supporting all those extension of retirement to 85, locking up your retirement if you don't save enough no retirement for you etc...

Others follow without realizing the higher contribution from employer has its small print capping and the life payout is not without cost ..no where can fight our current EPF benefits

That is why some has asked, would you accept CPF as a whole...can you accept lower returns ,dividend locking 10 years...monthly payout only from 65 etc...










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post Nov 11 2025, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(bobafett @ Nov 11 2025, 08:42 PM)
Quick calculation:
set aside RM500K at 55 yo
Let it compound interest at 6% yearly, for 10 yrs.
At 65 yo, it will be RM 895,423

EPF pays member from 65 yo till the member dies .
Per month RM2.5K as suggested . It will take around 30 yrs to break even.
In Spore, if put SGD426K at 55 yo, compound interest at 4% for 10 yrs, they get RM 3.3K per month till the member dies .
EPF should pay more monthly payout because of higher interest plus higher amount at RM500K
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One thing nobody realizes is that you need to have minimum sum of around RM338 k to qualify.

If we have the minimum sum then we can diy it ourselves using epf. Why do we need legislation ?
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QUOTE(bobafett @ Nov 11 2025, 08:42 PM)
Quick calculation:
set aside RM500K at 55 yo
Let it compound interest at 6% yearly, for 10 yrs.
At 65 yo, it will be RM 895,423

EPF pays member from 65 yo till the member dies .
Per month RM2.5K as suggested . It will take around 30 yrs to break even.
In Spore, if put SGD426K at 55 yo, compound interest at 4% for 10 yrs, they get RM 3.3K per month till the member dies .
EPF should pay more monthly payout because of higher interest plus higher amount at RM500K
😂
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Like I said... pending full disclosure of the actual parameters and numbers… (of cos, more payout better)

I honestly don’t think EPF will dare to "swallow" all the dividends from age 55 to 65. Can you imagine the noise it will create? Every member between 55 and 65 is a voter after all. brows.gif

So yes, EPF has to tread carefully and come up with balanced, proper solutions. I really don’t get why some insist we must blindly follow CPF... as if we malaysians have no ability to think of bespoke solutions. Plus, mandate and structure of EPF are completely different vs CPF.

Personally, I’m looking forward to seeing what they’re cooking up. More options are always better. This is what it means to be financially savvy and be prepared/have proper plans.
- If they keep the current setup at 50/55/60 with existing liquidity, I am beyond happy.
- If they add a pension-style cashflow up to 85, glad to see the details... who knows, may be a good solution.
(this one if want to do, better impose on everyone with immediate effect)


Now, if they start forcing those with under 390K into a pension-like payout “for their own good”… well, I guess that’s the government exercising its moral responsibility — since apparently, some can’t be trusted with their own money innocent.gif tongue.gif
(not I say one, the expert in the article said so)

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post Nov 11 2025, 09:57 PM

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Let us all wait and see what will be the proposals.


Meanwhile, members can continue to voice their opinions
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Malaysia and Singapore have distinctly different tax payer profile. While both EPF and cpf have similar purpose, cpf only seeks to secure their citizens at a minimum level hence the capping.

If one takes the data published by EPF and melt that with the data from LHDN, you can pretty much tell a large portion of the contributors will not end up with much when they retire. That is because of our low wage economy.
For malaysia, only about 15-16% earns enough to start paying income tax. While Singapore is about 60%. As epf/ cpf is a percentage of income, it becomes very pertinent for malaysia to change the way how money is disbursed after retirement. As most will struggle to hit the minimum level. Also with those that manage to get the balance to 500-600k, many would end up turning the “retirement money” to lets change a car money, let’s go for a holiday money, let’s pay for our son’s wedding money, let’s renovate our house money and worse yet it becomes loan money that never gets repaid. Do bear in mind the rate of contribution into EPF only index in for retirement use and non of the above I mentioned.

When one has money, many around will suddenly have super reasons to ask for a loan. I think cpf changed their withdrawal model when many ended up blowing all their money in Batam or gambling.



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• For Malaysia: An older source noted that about 16.5% of the workforce were subject to individual income tax in the year referred to in a 2020 Budget commentary. 
• For Singapore: A post by the Ministry of Finance (Singapore) mentioned “about **40% of workers in Singapore do not pay personal income tax”. 

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QUOTE(bobafett @ Nov 11 2025, 02:37 PM)
Higher does not mean better.
Can be spending more money to keep one alive. Whether it is quality or not, we may not know.
The person could be lying in the hostpital bed with all tubings or lying on home bed being cared by maid or family members for many years. Everyone involved suffers.
Nowadays we heard many cardiac failures , just die, while playing badminton. Die in sleep.  This type is immediate mati, dont spend money for treatment, age can be young.

The take away message is that, once you reach 55 or above, better go enjoy what you have been saving for so many years. 

If married, go enjoy with your wife. If havechildren, let them work it out themselves.
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Nicely said, I am in full agreement with you

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Just out of curiosity, if a member pass away, the nominee can transfer the $ to the nominee's kwsp account?
Or can only withdraw out from member's account?
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QUOTE(theevilman1909 @ Jan 29 2025, 01:22 PM)
https://www.kwsp.gov.my/en/member/account-centre/death

Cash Credited to Registered Nominee Bank Accounts
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Was there a proposal to allow the deceased EPF funds to be transfered to nominees' epf account instead of cash?

Can we do the change of nominees' % online or must do it over the counter?
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QUOTE(MGM @ Nov 12 2025, 09:40 PM)
Was there a proposal to allow the deceased EPF funds to be transfered to nominees' epf account instead of cash?

Can we do the change of nominees' % online or must do it over the counter?
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I don't think there was a ever a proposal.... maybe some so called expert wrote some article?
(But I think the B40 would disagree vehemently to this proposal)

Changing or nominating nominees must be done in a EPF office. I don't think this has changed at all, and I hope it does not.
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Nov 12 2025, 09:56 PM)
I don't think there was a ever a proposal.... maybe some so called expert wrote some article?
(But I think the B40 would disagree vehemently to this proposal)

Changing or nominating nominees must be done in a EPF office. I don't think this has changed at all, and I hope it does not.
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Was thinking if there is such an option, it would be good for old couple to nominate each other and the surviving one who is not investment savvy can opt to keep all money in epf.
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QUOTE(MGM @ Nov 12 2025, 10:14 PM)
Was thinking if there is such an option, it would be good for old couple to nominate each other and the surviving one who is not investment savvy can opt to keep all money in epf.
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understand... a similar concept to joint name for husband and wife... but i think that means EPF act has to be amended and this will need lotsa political will power
(if extend to children, lagi bising the B40 group... cos the snowball effect to the T20 group is very scary over 2 to 3 generations.... brows.gif drool.gif )

who knows... maybe the pension cashflow style can incorporate this? (like how civil pension works)

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