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Investment PAVILION HILLTOP MONT'KIARA [OWNERS' THREAD], Pavilion is coming to Mont Kiara

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post Jan 25 2013, 01:44 AM, updated 8y ago

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For Living.

For Luxury.

For Service.

From the people behind Pavilion KL - Malaysia's most successful shopping mall.

Your life will never be the same again.

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Approved in 2012. Pending for launch in 2013.

Website: http://www.pavilionhilltop.com/

A single highrise tower project.



Associated projects and joint-management:
- Pavilion Residences
- Pavilion Tower
- Banyan Tree Signatures Hotel & Residences @ Pavilion KL
- Pavilion Couture Suites (coming soon 2013)
- Pavilion Hilltop Mont'Kiara (coming soon 2013)
- Pavilion KL 2 Extension (coming soon 2014)

Associated retail management:
- Pavilion KL
- fahrenheit88
- da:men Shopping Centre, USJ Subang Jaya
- Nova Saujana Retail Podium
- Pavilion KL 2 Extension

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post Jan 25 2013, 01:47 AM

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Don't really understand. hmm.gif

Shopping mall ? Or residential ?
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post Jan 25 2013, 01:50 AM

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according to dbkl, there is a single highrise tower of about 40 floors...

and the price will be leader in MK.... wowowowwwwwwwwww listen! listen! listen! haha
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post Jan 25 2013, 01:59 AM

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QUOTE(accetera @ Jan 25 2013, 01:50 AM)
according to dbkl, there is a single highrise tower of about 40 floors...

and the price will be leader in MK.... wowowowwwwwwwwww listen! listen! listen! haha
Is it a condo? What kind of price are we expecting here?
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post Jan 25 2013, 09:12 AM

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target buyer ===> foreign human
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post Jan 25 2013, 09:49 AM

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shopping mall or residential? prefer shopping mall
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post Jan 25 2013, 11:26 AM

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Residential first is our concern here.

I think the price is too expensive given the lacklustre Mont Kiara now.
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post Jan 29 2013, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(peri peri @ Jan 25 2013, 09:12 AM)
target buyer ===> foreign human
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post Jan 29 2013, 09:15 PM

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Maybe we are looking at the first RM 2000 psf property in MK.
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post Jan 29 2013, 09:46 PM

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actually where is it? i thought no more land at mk? is it chopping the hills near ayuria?
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post Jan 29 2013, 09:59 PM

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perhaps segambut area then rename as north mont kiara
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post Jan 29 2013, 10:30 PM

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It is the road inside Seni. The land belongs to Malton
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post Jan 29 2013, 11:08 PM

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Guess the land used to be owned by naza before malton bought it...it's highest land within MK, that's why called hilltop. Asking price shld b starting from 900psf
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post Jan 30 2013, 01:33 PM

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After seni or near kiaramas
Kiaramas also hill top
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post Jan 30 2013, 01:37 PM

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MS's Icon is like 1,200-1,300 psf... this looks like a steal man tongue.gif
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post Jan 30 2013, 02:47 PM

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When Icon was launched, it was a stunning design. Susah to stomach is the price.

Anyone seen the pic for hilltop? The price is more expensive than Acoris, but I wonder if the design and what they offer is much nicer?

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post Jan 31 2013, 09:34 PM

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This is located next to seni... Next to dutaland... Residential super luxirious condo... Complete around 2017
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post Jan 31 2013, 09:45 PM

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Enter from where Tiffani kiara ville there?
Opposite seni is it
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post Jan 31 2013, 11:19 PM

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Go to SENI... next to it.
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post Feb 1 2013, 01:08 AM

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post Mar 31 2013, 09:42 PM

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Datuk Desmond Lim said price from 800psf onwards. A booster to kiaraville and Tiffani which being transacted at 600-650psf.
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post Apr 1 2013, 09:27 AM

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malton is the developer, right? if so, I will worry, after their legal tussle ho hup settle our of court (http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2012/7/4/business/11600790), now still have this legal tussle not solved

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...96&sec=business

Also, heard they are not so ggod developer, any comments?
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post Apr 3 2013, 07:26 PM

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called the sales office today.....told its around 850-900 psf. They say only 3 towers of residential.

What bout the shopping mall and hotel? Are they going to build there as well?
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post Apr 3 2013, 11:06 PM

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Desmond Lim is smart in branding, over the years he carefully crafting Pavilion brand, by leveraging itself with super luxury brand like LV, Hermes via his retail section, in property section he is leveraging on the brand like Banyan Tree where 2 to 3K psf residence were fully sold, next, Pavillion is going to link itself with Harrods Hotel the first 7 stars and first Harrod's Hotel in the world, I will not be surprised if the price start at 5k psf. Pavilion brand is synonym with Luxury brand and is ready to go by its own so moving forward distant future they are going to launch Pavilion Couture Suites that will sell at at 3 k psf. It is safe to say Pavilion brand units nodemand at least 3k psf do you think Pavilion Mont Kiara will be sold below Sunrise price? In matter of fact price is very likely to touch more than 1k psf for smaller unit once the show unit and official launch begins.
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post Apr 4 2013, 07:29 AM

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Why would Pavilion choose Mont Kiara? Why not some other place and why not Sunrise charge higher?
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post Apr 4 2013, 08:01 AM

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Well Angela , the land plot actually belongs to Malton Bhd which is controlled by Desmond Lim... hopefully that explains it

On your second questions: Sunrise would very much like to charge higher price for their condo but they know Sunrise brand lack the X-factor which is the super luxury consumer/investor perception on thier brand. You can see that their mall in MK lack of Super Luxury brand like Hermes and LV,, this is because Sunrise brands lack the pull-in factor for super luxury items... this is what whole Mont Kiara is lacking now, living is a posh area like Mont Kiara just doesn't make sense that the mall lack of luxury items.

This is "shortcomings" of Mont Kiara mall. Sunrise know this that is why they pull in Foster & Partner for their Acoris apartment, but still reputable Foster Norman is architecture firm and having the building built by Foster is not enough to pull in the super luxury items. Sunrise got a lot of homework to do on this if they want to bring their property value up.

On the other hand Pavilion is the master of this craft, they are the champion in Malaysia of bringing the super Luxury Brands under one roof and this is the X-factor that Mont Kiara is looking for…. The Pavilion Hilltop is only for residence but depending on the response from the market Pavilion may expand their wings in Mont Kiara… my wish list is that they take over the Solaris Mont Kiara or Plaza Mont Kiara and re-renovated and bring in the super luxury brand (like they did for Farenheit 88) , this is the X-factor for Mont Kiara and I will not be surprised that Mont Kiara price will the the roof.

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post Apr 4 2013, 08:06 AM

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Good luck finding tenants...
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tat3179...no to flaunt or anything but stake make my case.. I am multiple owner of Mk and all my units are rented out within 1 to 2 months, perhaps it's the size and development i choose, compare to other development outisde Mont Kiara, many suburbs area is asking close to MK price and personally I like mont Kiara very much because I rcv a higher rental yield with quality tenants and if the market crashed I can still move my extended family to stay here, I think the place is second to none in Malaysia. The only problem for me now is seeing other places rise in price, being such a nice place MK suppose to break 1K psf long time ago, as an investor , i could not help but try to find the reason why, perhaps MK is like Malaysia falling into "middle income trap" while watching all its neighbours catching up, so the only thing I think is missing is moving up the value chain by going for "super luxury" developments which is lacking in this area with this it will unlock the real value of mont kiara. Perhaps by Pavilion is the answer we are seekimg for.
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Hunterlim I think your explain make sen$e, think of it y not Sunrise joint partner with Paviion to develop the area like you say let Pav buy Solaris and turn it into luxury mall and with the last empty plot at least Sunrise can sell it at higher price, a win-win situation rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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Angela.. roping in super luxury brand or even a luxury brand is not easy, ask One Mont Kiara mall, even Li Kashing's name could not rope in 1 luxury brand in that mall, it is a delicate task, LV and Hermes will not just come in like that, need a lot of persuasion, most mall need to beg them to come in with lots of perks , Pavilion has done that very well, there are more than 300 brands in the waiting list try go into Pavilion mall. One more thing that Desmond is very close to the Qatar Group he can easily rope in luxury brand like Harrods to MK if he wants and with his REIT listing, Pavilion need to look for next growth factor other than the traditoonal golden traingle area to satisfied the investor appetite for thier REIT so underperforming MK malls could be a good target.
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Maybe we are overlooking the one basic fact here? All the talk about pulling in super luxury brands and so on......perhaps the reason is Mont Kiara is simply too congested and over built and thats why people not wanting to stay there and so the selling price is not going up? Rental is a different matter but selling? The place must appeal to the buyers......
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i beg to disagree the success of Pavillion KL can be replicated in MK. due to one big missing factor. The filthy rich middle eastern tourists that comes in flocks and shopped and dined like kings.

MK is a neighbourhood of mid to high income expatriate (japanese, Korean, some European , some mid eastern and many many locals whose idea of shopping will never match those middle eastern TOURIST.


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Audio nutter..........I beg to differ , talking about road congestion, look at Pavillion KL and golden triangle what can be worse than that...also try to find a parking spot another problem but people are flocking there like bees biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(audionutter @ Apr 4 2013, 10:06 AM)
Maybe we are overlooking the one basic fact here? All the talk about pulling in super luxury brands and so on......perhaps the reason is Mont Kiara is simply too congested and over built and thats why people not wanting to stay there and so the selling price is not going up? Rental is a different matter but selling? The place must appeal to the buyers......
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The main reason price hardly going up in mont kiara is bcos the area still keep on developing, more and more coming launch before the existing units been digest, unlike bangsar, price sustainable at 1k psf
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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Apr 4 2013, 10:18 AM)
The main reason price hardly going up in mont kiara is bcos the area still keep on developing, more and more coming launch before the existing units been digest, unlike bangsar, price sustainable at 1k psf
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I agree to some extent , but by developing the new place this is how price can go up more unless there is no new development price and they could only depend on resale market, having said that demand and supply play a big factor as well.

MK is already a mature area very much like bangsar , there must be a reason why Mont Kiara price did not go up, talking about over supply, KL triangle area is having the same problem but price is going up now beyond 3k psf... the answer is very possibly the Luxury factor.... and this is the appetite of HNWI, to some extend we could not understand.
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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Apr 4 2013, 10:09 AM)
i beg to disagree the success of Pavillion KL can be replicated in MK. due to one big missing factor. The filthy rich middle eastern tourists that comes in flocks and shopped and dined like kings.

MK is a neighbourhood of mid to high income expatriate (japanese, Korean, some European , some mid eastern and many many locals whose idea of shopping will never match those middle eastern TOURIST.
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I have to agree on this, pavillion KL is in city centre and in a very strategic location, I don't think residence of mont Kiara need more shopping mall, this area used to be a greenery, quiet and peaceful for residential, As a residence here, i think the existing commercial like one mont, MK plaza, Solaris MK and publika is more than enough, don't forget the coming arcoris and 163, traffic will be very bad at Jln Kiara.
Duta land and coming pavillion area supposed to build super link to avoid the congestion and develop a better living environment, but developers more concern about their profit margin
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Pls forgive ny ignorance, but is pavillion under malton just like Lexus is Toyota's luxury brand, or are they more like sister companies I.e. same level belonging to the same owner? If pavillion is under malton, wouldnt it enhance the value of malton's brand, but also could risk downgrading pavillion's brand?
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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Apr 4 2013, 10:33 AM)
I have to agree on this, pavillion KL is in city centre and in a very strategic location, I don't think residence of mont Kiara need more shopping mall, this area used to be a greenery, quiet and peaceful for residential, As a residence here, i think the existing commercial like one mont, MK plaza, Solaris MK and publika is more than enough, don't forget the coming arcoris and 163, traffic will be very bad at Jln Kiara.
Duta land and coming pavillion area supposed to build super link to avoid the congestion and develop a better living environment, but developers more concern about their profit margin
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Agree that MK cannot keep on building mix development or mall anymore, the traffic here will be pretty bad, what MK need now is a boutique luxury mall that cater to the affluent people staying around Mk and also surroundings.. so that is why i suggest that it should go for the existing underperforming mall and bring up the value where it suppose to be.
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QUOTE(majid @ Apr 4 2013, 10:52 AM)
Pls forgive ny ignorance, but is pavillion under malton just like Lexus is Toyota's luxury brand, or are they more like sister companies I.e. same level belonging to the same owner? If pavillion is under malton, wouldnt it enhance the value of malton's brand, but also could risk downgrading pavillion's brand?
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Pavillion is not under malton brand but the companies has the same boss, Desmond will not be silly enough to park pavilion under malton it will kill pavilion brand... in fact Malton is the contractor for Pavilion, I would think they will use malton for Pavilion Hilltop, looking at the quality of Pavilion I think it's superb finishing.. I still remember I was blown away by Pavilion's quality finishing when I first visited. smile.gif
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I like Mont Kiara environment, but really not sure if such mall comes in will benefit the place or not as the place will have more non residence visiting everyday.
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Yes I like Mont Kiara environment too, very gud for living, I think it is gud to hav a luxury mal in mk, we can all go shipping shopping shopping rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 5 2013, 05:38 PM)
Yes I like Mont Kiara environment too, very gud for living, I think it is gud to hav a luxury mal in mk, we can all go shipping shopping shopping  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
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One MK also not enough tenants to support
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QUOTE(seanooi880327 @ Apr 5 2013, 05:57 PM)
One MK also not enough tenants to support
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Living here in Mk for so long never step a foot into 1MK , this itself already tell you the "pull factor" is lacking for most of the MK malls.... I believe there are many more people like me in MK... that is why the mall in MK is underperforming..
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I think Pavilion MK will not have mall. There are a few other developments that might have malls for MK.


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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 5 2013, 06:22 PM)
Living here in Mk for so long never step a foot into 1MK , this itself already tell you the "pull factor" is lacking for most of the MK malls.... I believe there are many more people like me in MK... that is why the mall in MK is underperforming..
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i think one of the problem for mont kiara mall..is too luxury...target those foreigners...but they have to know that nowadays quite a lot of locals also stay at mont kiara......maybe if something like jusco or tesco open at here...will be more crowded....
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QUOTE(doomdoom @ Apr 5 2013, 06:58 PM)
i think one of the problem for mont kiara mall..is too luxury...target those foreigners...but they have to know that nowadays quite a lot of locals also stay at mont kiara......maybe if something like jusco or tesco open at here...will be more crowded....
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NOOOOOOOOOO...... Never allow those hyper market into MK.... The comfort and cozy feel or the environment will be gone if those hyper market gonna be in MK....
Anyway, I think Sunrise will be power enough to stop that.... tongue.gif

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Apr 5 2013, 07:24 PM)
NOOOOOOOOOO...... Never allow those hyper market into MK.... The comfort and cozy feel or the environment will be gone if those hyper market gonna be in MK....
Anyway, I think Sunrise will be power enough to stop that....  tongue.gif
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Kind of sick of the hypermarket brand (Tesco, Jesco, Carefour, Giant) offering the same ambience and environment... creating traffic that MK just cannot cope, MK should go for smaller high-end niche Grocer like the follwing:

Longos Supermarket in Toronto
Ole Supermarket in Shanghai
Market Place in Singapore
Bon Marche in Paris

Bangsar kind of get it with Grocer's village but it has to be better and more high end..Cold Storage just dont cut it....
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 5 2013, 08:42 PM)
Kind of sick of the hypermarket brand (Tesco, Jesco, Carefour, Giant) offering the same ambience and environment... creating traffic that MK just cannot cope, MK should go for smaller high-end niche Grocer like the follwing:

Longos Supermarket in Toronto
Ole Supermarket in Shanghai
Market Place in Singapore
Bon Marche in Paris

Bangsar kind of get it with Grocer's village but it has to be better and more high end..Cold Storage just dont cut it....
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Mk oledy full with this kind of high class grocery... Big market at solaris, plaza damas and 1 mont kiara as well...
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 5 2013, 08:42 PM)
Kind of sick of the hypermarket brand (Tesco, Jesco, Carefour, Giant) offering the same ambience and environment... creating traffic that MK just cannot cope, MK should go for smaller high-end niche Grocer like the follwing:

Longos Supermarket in Toronto
Ole Supermarket in Shanghai
Market Place in Singapore
Bon Marche in Paris

Bangsar kind of get it with Grocer's village but it has to be better and more high end..Cold Storage just dont cut it....
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Hypermarket like Tescos and gangs can settle at next to Mont Kiara plot called Kenny Heights where they got tens of hectres of undeveloped land and will not create heavy traffic
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QUOTE(doomdoom @ Apr 5 2013, 08:49 PM)
Mk oledy full with this kind of high class grocery... Big market at solaris, plaza damas and 1 mont kiara as well...
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You answer my question, BIG market and plaza damas not in MK ...no wonder Solaris Dutams doing better than Solaris MK... we need something like that here in Solaris MK. as for Grocer's Village never been to One Mk so I am not sure but as I say Grocer's Village dont cut it.. the ambience not there... looking for something that can relax me while I do my shopping with family after a whole day work.... MK has to keep inventing to become the leader of lifestyle-living which many other township is catching up ..
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 5 2013, 09:06 PM)
You answer my question,   BIG market and plaza damas not in MK ...no wonder Solaris Dutams doing better than Solaris MK... we need something like that here in  Solaris MK. as for Grocer's Village never been to One Mk so I am not sure but as I say Grocer's Village dont cut it.. the ambience not there... looking for something that can relax me while I do my shopping with family after a whole day work.... MK has to keep inventing to become the leader of lifestyle-living which many other township is catching up ..
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agree with u also...kind like relax everytime after work, talk a walk at BIG market....have some nice dinner at publika...

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Me want book enbloc!!!
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Went there and book as well now, last update rcv last week was more than 70% sold, attached is the pic but some was not hghlighted but was crossed with pen menaing in the midst of booking


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Here more pics rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

Entrance to the unit will be like going to vineyard in europe........





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biggrin.gif yeah accetera make me want to book enbloc eventhough marketing material is not out yet, amazing for a development that is not even launch, heard a group of Japanese bought majority of units there biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 9 2013, 06:36 AM)
Went there and book as well now, last update rcv last week was more than 70% sold, attached is the pic but some was not hghlighted but was crossed with pen menaing in the midst of booking
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QUOTE(rachel_xxx @ Apr 9 2013, 07:20 AM)
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Approx 900 psf after discount, worth it considering Arcoris residence is close to 1,000 psf , this project is definately more highher status than Arcoris.. smile.gif of course I hope it will be cheaper but I think buying into luxury, you cannot expect 700 psf with so many development even at Segambut now touching around 700 psf.
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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 9 2013, 08:23 AM)
Approx 900 psf after discount, worth it considering Arcoris residence is close to 1,000 psf , this project is definately more highher status than Arcoris.. smile.gif  of course I hope it will be cheaper but I think buying into luxury, you cannot expect 700 psf with so many development even at Segambut now touching around 700 psf.
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scenaria 500+ psf
Concerto 600psf
Where got 700psf in segambut?
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QUOTE(rachel_xxx @ Apr 9 2013, 09:02 AM)
scenaria 500+ psf
Concerto 600psf
Where got 700psf in segambut?
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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 9 2013, 08:23 AM)
Approx 900 psf after discount, worth it considering Arcoris residence is close to 1,000 psf , this project is definately more highher status than Arcoris.. smile.gif  of course I hope it will be cheaper but I think buying into luxury, you cannot expect 700 psf with so many development even at Segambut now touching around 700 psf.
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QUOTE(Lcsx @ Apr 9 2013, 09:15 AM)
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The property that touched 700 psf is called Verdana @ Segambut aka North Kiara... chekc it out urself

http://www.propertyguru.com.my/property-li...or-sale-1821497

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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 9 2013, 09:23 AM)
The property that touched 700 psf is called Verdana @ Segambut aka North Kiara... chekc it out urself

http://www.propertyguru.com.my/property-li...or-sale-1821497

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Compare Segambut Verdana's 700 psf to other suburb townships that is touching the 700 psf already, actually make sense for North Kiara to command that price because at least it is close to affluent area like Mont Kiara but compare those with Mont Kiara really make me dumbfounded, nonetheless the investor now in Mont Kiara is liking to buying Mercedez Benz S350 at a Toyota Camry price...
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 9 2013, 09:44 AM)
Compare Segambut Verdana's 700 psf to other suburb townships that is touching the 700 psf already, actually make sense for North Kiara to command that price because at least it is close to affluent area like Mont Kiara but compare those with Mont Kiara really make me dumbfounded, nonetheless the investor now in Mont Kiara is liking to buying Mercedez Benz S350 at a Toyota Camry price...
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verdana official addres is jalan dutamas raya, without segambut...this part is really consider kiara north seems just 5 min drive to mont kiara....


the scenaria side...it's real segambut address....don call kiara north la...
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QUOTE(doomdoom @ Apr 9 2013, 09:58 AM)
verdana official addres is jalan dutamas raya, without segambut...this part is really consider kiara north seems just 5 min drive to mont kiara....
the scenaria side...it's real segambut address....don call kiara north la...
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Sure bo?

I thought even Menara Duta and Changkat View are segambut side? border Expansion liao? Hehe

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QUOTE(Lcsx @ Apr 9 2013, 10:01 AM)
Sure bo?

I thought even Menara Duta and Changkat View are segambut side?
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i have units there...the address is xxx, jalan dutamas raya, off persiaran dutamas....tak ada segambut name....

well, actually mont kiara previously also come with segambut name...check with the SNP for some oldies like mont kiara pines....address with segambut...only nowadays the segambut name already disappear...
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QUOTE(doomdoom @ Apr 9 2013, 10:02 AM)
i have units there...the address is xxx, jalan dutamas raya, off persiaran dutamas....tak ada segambut name....

well, actually mont kiara previously also come with segambut name...check with the SNP for some oldies like mont kiara pines....address with segambut...only nowadays the segambut name already disappear...
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900 psf will be BBB especially if there are small unit. Where to book and what are the unit sizes available?
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name change good, but can b better if postcode also change.. doomdoom, for the old pines's snp with segambut name, what's it postcode? 50480 or 51200?
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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 9 2013, 08:23 AM)
Approx 900 psf after discount, worth it considering Arcoris residence is close to 1,000 psf , this project is definately more highher status than Arcoris.. smile.gif  of course I hope it will be cheaper but I think buying into luxury, you cannot expect 700 psf with so many development even at Segambut now touching around 700 psf.
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Why do you think it is much higher status than arcoris?
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I would suggest Verve Suites if you guys wanna go for small Luxury. About 850psf to 900psf for the 600sf to 860sf sizes.

Beautiful and extremely happening place.



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Oh and take a site visit. You will be awed or at least very impressed. Almost brand new too.





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QUOTE(Lcsx @ Apr 9 2013, 11:45 AM)
I would suggest Verve Suites if you guys wanna go for small Luxury. About 850psf to 900psf for the 600sf to 860sf sizes.

Beautiful and extremely happening place.
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Honestly I like Verve Suites ID and design for its facility.... very keng.......the down side about verve suites is the interior design of the units that come fully furnished that can easily fetch >1,000 psf for smaller unit... i dont want to say more about the interior design ...scare will offend many people.... blush.gif
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 9 2013, 12:02 PM)
Honestly I like Verve Suites ID and design for its facility.... very keng.......the down side about verve suites is the interior design of the units that come fully furnished that can easily fetch >1,000 psf for smaller unit... i dont want to say more about the interior design ...scare will offend many people.... blush.gif
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Yeah the very small 400sf units go for >RM1,000 psf.

But like I said go buy the RM800 to 900psf mid sizes ones from Block A and B (600 to 860sf). If you are in lucky you can get a block A 861sf for about RM800psf. But yeah there are a few ID styles. Different style for different taste. But I should note some styles do fetch a higher price.

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QUOTE(jerry88 @ Apr 9 2013, 11:26 AM)
Why do you think it is much higher status than arcoris?
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Perhaps it's the perception of many ladies , especially those who are brand-concious like Ms. Angela here, it's hard to explain but perhaps it's the brand equity, Pavilion is perceived to being slightly premiun than Sunrise brand at least in My mind and in Ms. Angela, there is no right or wrong here you may argue until the cows come home....

Second is the location of the development, a property on higher ground is generally precieved (again perception)as more exclusive due to the view it will command, away from bustling and hustling and that is why also higher unit fetch higher price same goes to when a property is located at higher ground especially in a high class area ... generally speaking....
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Yeah I think the name Pavilion will appeal to the ladies a lot also.
The premium gap would be less for guys as they probably recognize the Sunrise branding a bit more than the average lady does.


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Pavilion is definitely a premium brand that Malaysian malls association are already proud of. Suria and Starhill are doing some rebranding soon. (Pavi is the only mall that represents KL at the moment, looking at the influx of luxury malls in neighboring capital cities make your mind boggling... and it is only Pavi that are doing catchup)

Having said that, this development HAS NO MALL. The brand itself is now associated with Banyan Tree and Harrods Hotel.

It is a marketing gimmick to associate itself with Pavilion. However, a second thought brings you to Pavilion Residences - which in my opinion is very good - luxury and convenient and rather practical!!

So Pavilion MK is just right to satisfy your cravings for a branded residences in this part of town. (suddenly Sunrise sounds like any other lifestyle developer? laugh.gif)

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On the issue on ML and segambut , 4 years ago an article written in the Edge property called Tale of Two enclaves summed up the contrast Segambut and Mont Kiara preety nicely, agreed that MK was part of Segambut and as I mentioned in my earlier post, situated in higher ground in Segambut set MK apart from Segambut, MR. Tong saw it and has a good vision on that, and but generally the similarity end there, there are many different between Segambut and MK:

1. Segambut has so many existing setllers especially squatters that has been there for generations, it is hard to ask them to move.MK was a plain rubber plantation so no issues on squatters, clean and flat. Why this is importnat, imagine if you paying a 700 psf lusury condominium and walking out from your compund are all the squatter or kampung who were there for generations and with the price of sondo going up sky high make them almost impossible to leave, a luxury living is not just what is offer in the unit but the surroundings. Just my humble opinion.

2. Segambut area is not very well planned again due to the existing road while Mont Kiara was planned from scratch.


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Where is their Sales office?
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 9 2013, 12:27 PM)
On the issue on ML and segambut , 4 years ago an article written in the Edge property called Tale of Two enclaves summed up the contrast Segambut and Mont Kiara preety nicely,  agreed that MK was part of Segambut and as I mentioned in my earlier post, situated in higher ground in Segambut set MK apart from Segambut, MR. Tong saw it and has a good vision on that, and but generally the similarity end there, there are many different between Segambut and MK:

1. Segambut has so many existing setllers especially squatters that has been there for generations, it is hard to ask them to move.MK was a plain rubber plantation so no issues on squatters, clean and flat. Why this is importnat, imagine if you paying a 700 psf lusury condominium and walking out from your compund are all the squatter or kampung who were there for generations and with the price of sondo going up sky high make them almost impossible to leave, a luxury living is not just what is offer in the unit but the surroundings. Just my humble opinion.

2. Segambut area is not very well planned again due to the existing road while Mont Kiara was planned from scratch.
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Furthermore to my observation on MK, as an investor, property bubbles is always at the back of my mind, but investing in Mont Kiara clam my unsettled mind due to the following reasons:


1. Mont Kiara price has moved very little since the US subprime crises that effect the worlds's economy and even malaysian property price were effected, judging from this, I can say that if property price in Malaysia or in other europe /USA economy were to go bust, there is not much room for MK price to go down and being stagnant for so long is already close to the worse-case scenerio price, but unlike other property in Klang Valley that has went up 2 to 3 times is very likely to come back to 200 to 300 psf, or even KLCC may see a big fluctutation like it always do when crisis hit, a big risk there.

2. Mont Kiara generally offer quality tenants and apart from them able to pay higher premium, they are also generally better at taking care of the property unlike many development offer to students near University which has a habit of sub-renting out the property, I could not imagine how my property would look like once they moved out.

3. Investors in Mont Kiara generally had better holding power compare to other township and this will help to limit the property price when it pops.

4. MK is already proven to be a sucessful and mature township and I dont have obsrobe the risk-factor that it will or not become a sucessful township like many of Sime Darby /SP Setia/UEM-Iskandar new township project.

5. The ambience of living is superb for living and I can always stay there myself if the investment went busts.

Hope this help and I dont charge for this consultation.. wink.gif
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Apr 9 2013, 12:43 PM)
Where is their Sales office?
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Pavilion KL level 7 just follow the direction that lead you to Pavilion Banyan Tree Residence show unit, they have not really openly market this in a big way yet, very private and only for VIP.
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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 9 2013, 01:09 PM)
Pavilion KL level 7  just follow the direction that lead you to Pavilion Banyan Tree Residence show unit, they have not really openly market this in a big way yet, very private and only for VIP.
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So they not going to entertain walk in?

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So they not going to entertain walk in?
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You can try... I think they do... at least I think they are not as arrogant slaes people in Sunrise.. heard so many aweful story about them.. doh.gif doh.gif
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So they not going to entertain walk in?
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What the smallest size for this dev?
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What the smallest size for this dev?
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1,200 sf
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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 9 2013, 01:27 PM)
You can try... I think  they do... at least I think they are not as arrogant slaes people in Sunrise.. heard so many aweful story about them.. doh.gif  doh.gif
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Shall see..... Lets try with shorts, t-shirt with slippers..... brows.gif
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Pavilion Vs Sunrise = Elegant vs Arrogant

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Shall see..... Lets try with shorts, t-shirt with slippers.....  brows.gif
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So, which one is a better buy? Pavilion MK or Arcoris Residences? Heard from Sunrise they are in discussion with Hilton to manage their boutique hotel in Arcoris. What's the land size for Pavilion MK?
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Shall see..... Lets try with shorts, t-shirt with slippers.....  brows.gif
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You can try but first you must go through the x-ray stares from the shoppers in Pav if that doesn't kill you, I think the laser stares from the guards will ..... cool2.gif cool2.gif
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QUOTE(Rusby @ Apr 9 2013, 01:39 PM)
So, which one is a better buy? Pavilion MK or Arcoris Residences? Heard from Sunrise they are in discussion with Hilton to manage their boutique hotel in Arcoris. What's the land size for Pavilion MK?
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If Hilton really comes in to MK is actually good for whole MK, then this will mean that Sunrise /UEM finally know how to play the game......and play it well
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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 9 2013, 01:40 PM)
You can try but first you must go through the x-ray stares from the shoppers in Pav if that doesn't kill you, I think the laser stares from the guards will ..... cool2.gif  cool2.gif
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Are u a staff or sales staff there?
If they read abt this, probably they'll treat all short, t-shirt slipper ppl very nice from now onwards.... laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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anyone knows this project provides dibs?
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Apr 9 2013, 01:55 PM)
Are u a staff or sales staff there?
If they read abt this, probably they'll treat all short, t-shirt slipper ppl very nice from now onwards....  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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I wish I am the staff there to get extra discount cry.gif
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anyone knows this project provides dibs?
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Services offered:

1. Personal limousine reservations (On demand)
2. Housekeeping and laundry service (On demand)
3. Travelling and entertainment arrangements (On demand)
4. Chauffer driven servoce
5. Security escort service
6. Buggy service (probably due to the long road of wineyard like entrance)
7. High-class restaurant

Practically almost all the serviced offered by their Bayan-Tree Signatures Residence
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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 9 2013, 03:01 PM)
Services offered:

1. Personal limousine reservations (On demand)
2. Housekeeping and laundry service  (On demand)
3. Travelling and entertainment arrangements (On demand)
4. Chauffer driven servoce
5. Security escort service
6. Buggy service (probably due to the long road of wineyard like entrance)
7. High-class restaurant

Practically almost all the serviced offered by their Bayan-Tree Signatures Residence
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But one thing about this is that it's roughy about 620 units at almost a 6 acres land , so average density is about 100/acre, a bit on the high side for MK but much lesser than KLCC


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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 9 2013, 03:06 PM)
But one thing about this is that it's roughy about 620 units at almost a 6 acres land , so average density is about 100/acre, a bit on the high side for MK but much lesser than KLCC
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Hehe quite normal Angela 100 units/acre. No worries on that. Only the old ones are in the 50 units/acre region.




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Hehe quite normal Angela 100 units/acre. No worries on that. Only the old ones are in the 50 units/acre region.
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Lcsx, the upside to high density is that it bring down the maintainable charges which stands at 0.25 psf, compare to KLCC luxury development or even to MK standard it's cheap, very rare that a luxury mont kiara development will hit so many right button for me that is why I decided to make the plunge, but the more I look into this development the more it make sense at least for me.
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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 9 2013, 04:14 PM)
Lcsx, the upside to high density is that it bring down the maintainable charges which stands at 0.25 psf, compare to KLCC luxury development or even to MK standard it's cheap, very rare that a luxury mont kiara development will hit so many right button for me that is why I decided to make the plunge, but the more I look into this development the more it make sense at least for me.
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Yeah absolutely. Even at Verve where it is insanely packed with facilities, the maintenance charge is only 30 sen psf. Coz of the many units as well.



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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 9 2013, 03:01 PM)
Services offered:

1. Personal limousine reservations (On demand)
2. Housekeeping and laundry service  (On demand)
3. Travelling and entertainment arrangements (On demand)
4. Chauffer driven servoce
5. Security escort service
6. Buggy service (probably due to the long road of wineyard like entrance)
7. High-class restaurant

Practically almost all the serviced offered by their Bayan-Tree Signatures Residence
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I am surprised by the services offered and all that come with only 900 psf price range? the price should be more like 1,500 psf. Knowing Desmond and wife, they are perectionist and they are into every bit of details that is why they could work together with another perfectionist couple: Mr. and Mrs Ho from Banyan Tree and developed Banyan Tree singature suites, I think it would be a good investment for those who go for investment and for those who look for own stay is even better, I think the place would provide the highest standard of living for Mont Kiara..
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 9 2013, 04:48 PM)
I am surprised by the services offered and all that come with only 900 psf price range? the price should be more like 1,500 psf. Knowing Desmond and wife, they are perectionist and they are into every bit of details that is why they could work together with another perfectionist couple: Mr. and Mrs Ho from Banyan Tree and developed Banyan Tree singature suites, I think it would be a good investment for those who go for investment and for those who look for own stay is even better, I think the place would provide the highest standard of living for Mont Kiara..
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Agreed hunter, as I said that's why I think it's a good place for my investment, I am a luxury junkie, I would be proud owning a unit here, the ironic thing is I do not know the complete facilities offered since this development is so low profile and secretive, but from what I know as of now, the rest will all be bonus, it would be a wonderful feeling when this project is officially announced to see what Pavilion Hilltop has to offer and how it look like and it would be like opening a gift on christmas day...... rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 9 2013, 05:03 PM)
Agreed hunter, as I said that's why I think it's a good place for my investment, I am a luxury junkie, I would be proud owning a unit here, the ironic thing is I do not know the complete facilities offered since this development is so low profile and secretive, but from what I know as of now, the rest will all be bonus, it would be a wonderful feeling when this project is officially announced to see what Pavilion Hilltop has to offer and how it look like and it would be like opening a gift  on christmas day...... rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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how many rooms for 1200 sf and any furnishings provided or car parks?

Thanks!
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Yeah seems like a good buy. But its too expensive for me. Haha. I have never bought anything past the 1mil mark.


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how many rooms for 1200 sf and any furnishings provided or car parks?

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3 rooms, 2 car parks and with a/c, kitchen cab, floor tiles and etc
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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 9 2013, 05:43 PM)
3 rooms, 2 car parks and with a/c, kitchen cab, floor tiles and etc
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BTW no balcony for this unit, but I really dont prefer balcony, especially if I can swap it for an extra room.... icon_rolleyes.gif
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Really sounds like buying Chanel or Dior.


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Channel and Dior not my favourite, my favourites start with H and L.

Just to clarify that I am not a Sunrise hater here, I think they did a very good job in making what Mk is today they deserve a compliment, on top of that they have a very sucessful Solaris Dutamas aka Publika, I think the Acroris will be as sucessful or even better, if they can rope in Hilton that will be fabulous!
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Hey Ms Yeo, nice to see you here promoting Pavilion Hilltop.
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Hey Ms Yeo, nice to see you here promoting Pavilion Hilltop.
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BTW no balcony for this unit, but I really dont prefer balcony, especially if I can swap it for an extra room.... icon_rolleyes.gif
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I thought bathtub shld be the first choice item for any swap since u r Japanese..... tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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I thought bathtub shld be the first choice item for any swap since u r Japanese.....  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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Given there will be 600 units, how many car parks available for residents and visitors?
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Wow, Ms Angela is Japanese. Konichiwa...

This property already has endorsement from foreign purchaser. What you guys waiting for? LOL
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Wow, Ms Angela is Japanese. Konichiwa...

This property already has endorsement from foreign purchaser. What you guys waiting for? LOL
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Planning to visit the sales gallery this weekend, does anyone had any contact info
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Planning to visit the sales gallery this weekend, does anyone had any contact info
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very fitting. Almost all buyers would have bought stuff from Pavilion KL as well. tongue.gif


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Visited....
This is a pure residential project, thus it cannot be compared with those mix development such as Arcoris.....
Looking at the surrounding neighbours, Seni, Tiffani, Kiaravilla, even La Grande.... All these project focus mainly on large buildup... Tiffani hav some small build up but I think it's very limited too....
Pavilion's 1200sf shld hav good demand for those looking forward smaller size luxury condo.... Even investment may be good for those smaller size build up....
The 2nd block onwards it shld be larger build up already.... So now very limited units available for the 1200sf, higher flr all taken up already....
Price.... No need mention, buying such condo price shldnt be your main concern.... tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

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Where is the exact location btw?

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Where is the exact location btw?
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Opposite Seni, beside Tiffani
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Apr 11 2013, 03:00 PM)
Opposite Seni, beside Tiffani
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Its a good buy!

Much better than North Kiara stuff being pushed out there.



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where is the showroom?
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Apr 11 2013, 02:50 PM)
Visited....
This is a pure residential project, thus it cannot be compared with those mix development such as Arcoris.....
Looking at the surrounding neighbours, Seni, Tiffani, Kiaravilla, even La Grande.... All these project focus mainly on large buildup... Tiffani hav some small build up but I think it's very limited too....
Pavilion's 1200sf shld hav good demand for those looking forward smaller size luxury condo.... Even investment may be good for those smaller size build up....
The 2nd block onwards it shld be larger build up already.... So now very limited units available for the 1200sf, higher flr all taken up already....
Price.... No need mention, buying such condo price shldnt be your main concern....  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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Agreed....great minds think alike wink.gif wink.gif ,furthermore 1,200 comes with 3 rooms and 2 carparks ......that is the thing that attracts me.
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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 11 2013, 04:40 PM)
Agreed....great minds think alike  wink.gif  wink.gif ,furthermore  1,200 comes with 3 rooms and 2 carparks ......that is the thing that attracts me.
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Agreed as well, I think it's really worth it , few more other factors IMHO, 1. Pavillion brand , 2. Exclusive and less busy and situated at the hilltop 3. in "real" Mont Kiara enclave 4. walking distance to both Mont Kiara Solaris and Publika 5. Near future KL Metropolis 6. Near future MRT 6. Close Mont Kiara exits to many highways so will less jams compare to the entrance to Mont Kiara side (Jln Kiara 1).... will be both investor and tenant favourite smile.gif
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 11 2013, 04:54 PM)
Agreed as well, I think it's really worth it , few more other factors IMHO, 1. Pavillion brand , 2. Exclusive and less busy and situated at the hilltop 3. in "real" Mont Kiara enclave  4. walking distance to both Mont Kiara Solaris and Publika 5. Near future KL Metropolis 6. Near future MRT 6. Close Mont Kiara exits to many highways so will less jams compare to the entrance to Mont Kiara side (Jln Kiara 1).... will be both investor and tenant favourite  smile.gif
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Yes and above all reason it is Pavilion brand for me.
That stretch is all pure residential and free from Commercial activity yet walking distance to many commercial outlet.
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Yes and above all reason it is Pavilion brand for me.
That stretch is all pure residential and free from Commercial activity yet walking distance to many commercial outlet.
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Which condo are u staying at now?..... What makes u purchase a condo now, or u hav always been looking out?
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Which condo are u staying at now?..... What makes u purchase a condo now, or u hav always been looking out?
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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 12 2013, 10:17 AM)
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I jus wanted to understand purchaser's mentality & decision now.... Basing on your sharing u seems to hav done some substantial homework as u say u stay in MK, however there is also a lot of speculation market may come for a correction too.... So what's the drive or urge to purchase a luxury condo now?
This may help to boost up MK luxury condo's sales ya..... tongue.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Apr 12 2013, 11:06 AM)
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I jus wanted to understand purchaser's mentality & decision now.... Basing on your sharing u seems to hav done some substantial homework as u say u stay in MK, however there is also a lot of speculation market may come for a correction too.... So what's the drive or urge to purchase a luxury condo now?
This may help to boost up MK luxury condo's sales ya.....  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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ok smile.gif For me it's very simple , I looked around (but excused me for using bubbles to describe it but others may call it increase in price)

1. KLCC - 100% to 300% bubbles
2. PJ area - 100% to 200% bubbles
3. Cyberjaya - 100% to 200% bubbles
4. Other Klang valley suburbs: 100 to 300% bubbles
5. Bangsar - 30% to 50% bubbles
6. Mont Kiara - 10% to 30% bubbles
(all price based on new launch prices and not resale since 2010)

I picked the one with less bubbles- in case it burst, I also foresee a lot of momentum for MK 3 to 5 years down the road and I am a bit brand-concious (not too much sweat.gif ) and I like MK so this is my natural choice. biggrin.gif


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For those of you staying in MK, how is the exit via Jln Duta Kiara in morning peak hour traffic to Jln Duta?

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900psf in MK considered less bubbles, really?

Mind sharing what would be the expected rental yield for this new project after handover?
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Given there will be 600 units, how many car parks available for residents and visitors?
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 12 2013, 01:37 PM)
900psf in MK considered less bubbles, really?

Mind sharing what would be the expected rental yield for this new project after handover?
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Well if PJ is selling Mid high end for RM900psf, Taman Tun RM1000psf for Mid high end, KL RM2000psf for luxury. So in comparison I would agree that RM900psf for luxury in Mont Kiara is alright and less of a bubble.


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QUOTE(Lcsx @ Apr 12 2013, 01:42 PM)
Well if PJ is selling Mid high end for RM900psf, Taman Tun RM1000psf for Mid high end, KL RM2000psf for luxury. So in comparison I would agree that RM900psf for luxury in Mont Kiara is alright and less of a bubble.
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So what is the expected rental yield if one wants to invest and rent?
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So what is the expected rental yield if one wants to invest and rent?
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I think this is less of a yield play and more of a caps play if you ask me.



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But if you want a guesstimate rental. I would Say RM4000 to RM4500 per month. Not that I am saying it is easy to rent though.


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QUOTE(Lcsx @ Apr 12 2013, 01:44 PM)
I think this is less of a yield play and more of a caps play if you ask me.
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If for cap play, don't the existing condos by Sunrise subsales btw 550-650 psf is a better deal with more cap upsides?
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If for cap play, don't the existing condos by Sunrise subsales btw 550-650 psf is a better deal with more cap upsides?
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Well this is a niche play that applies for the Luxury segment. There is very limited luxury segment of mid sized in Mont Kiara. Mostly large ones surrounding Mont Kiara with the exception of Verve which is small units and Tiffany which has some small units. So this one fills the gap and rides on a luxurious name.

But yeah I do agree that other subsale condos have good upside in Mont Kiara. Its just that this one is a different feel and segment. Don't ask me in too detail though. I ain't the super rich and glamourous.




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QUOTE(Lcsx @ Apr 12 2013, 01:47 PM)
But if you want a guesstimate rental. I would Say RM4000 to RM4500 per month. Not that I am saying it is easy to rent though.
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Assume this rental(despite on high side in today's rental mkt in MK) for 1200sf @ 900psf, nett rental yield is 4% max.... this is not attractive to me
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 12 2013, 01:53 PM)
Assume this rental(despite on high side in today's rental mkt in MK) for 1200sf @ 900psf, nett rental yield is 4% max.... this is not attractive to me
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I never said it was attractive tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Lcsx @ Apr 12 2013, 01:53 PM)
Well this is a niche play that applies for the Luxury segment. There is very limited luxury segment of mid sized in Mont Kiara. Mostly large ones surrounding Mont Kiara with the exception of Verve which is small units and Tiffany which has some small units. So this one fills the gap and rides on a luxurious name.

But yeah I do agree that other subsale condos have good upside in Mont Kiara. Its just that this one is a different feel and segment. Don't ask me in too detail though. I ain't the super rich and glamourous.
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You pts are on emotional benefits but I am an investor who only influenced by numbers.... this is a cash flow negative investment to me.... opposite HARTAMAS regency across the road is few hundred psf cheaper and more legs to run
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 12 2013, 01:57 PM)
You pts are on emotional benefits but I am an investor who only influenced by numbers.... this is a cash flow negative investment to me.... opposite HARTAMAS regency across the road is few hundred psf cheaper and more legs to run
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Its a different game. I am an investor by numbers too. I don't play by emotional benefits but I can understand the emotional benefits. tongue.gif
For me I'll go for good yields and value. tongue.gif



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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 12 2013, 01:57 PM)
You pts are on emotional benefits but I am an investor who only influenced by numbers.... this is a cash flow negative investment to me.... opposite HARTAMAS regency across the road is few hundred psf cheaper and more legs to run
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Oh and just for the sake of it. I had been targeting Hartamas Regency since it was RM500k range 1 and 1/2 years back tongue.gif

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Its a different game. I am an investor by numbers too. I don't play by emotional benefits but I can understand the emotional benefits. tongue.gif
For me I'll go for good yields and value. tongue.gif
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This is a trophy buy for those who go for Pavillion brand. I only wish buyers good luck and ask them to buy a stamp album....huhu!
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Oh and just for the sake of it. I had been targeting Hartamas Regency since it was RM500k range 1 and 1/2 years back tongue.gif
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Those who bought HR earlier are laughing and counting the chickens now
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 12 2013, 02:05 PM)
Those who bought HR earlier are laughing and counting the chickens now
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Yeah absolutely. I recommended quite a few people too but a lot of naysayers back then.



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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 12 2013, 12:42 PM)
ok  smile.gif  For me it's very simple , I looked around (but excused me for using bubbles to describe it but others may call it increase in price)

1. KLCC - 100% to 300% bubbles
2. PJ area - 100% to 200% bubbles
3. Cyberjaya - 100% to 200% bubbles
4. Other Klang valley suburbs: 100 to 300% bubbles
5. Bangsar - 30% to 50% bubbles
6. Mont Kiara - 10% to 30% bubbles
(all price based on new launch prices and not resale since 2010)

I picked the one with less bubbles- in case it burst, I also foresee a lot of momentum for MK 3 to 5 years down the road and I am a bit brand-concious (not too much  sweat.gif ) and I like MK so this is my natural choice.  biggrin.gif
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100%-300% means price increased since 2010?
KLCC I doubt got increase so much in average ya...
But I do agree this reverse analysis.... Tat is also the reason why I'm monitoring more closely on MK lately.....
Good job... wink.gif
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Investing in luxury condo u shldnt be concern of rental yield. If rental yield is your concern then I would say tat one shld look elsewhere. Luxury condo is not suitable for every dollars to be calculate investors. If u do not hav deep pocket, forget it.
Able to purchase a luxury condo usually this group of player are less concern of that monthly rental collection. Or I would say there are already a substantial group even got no intention to rent out.
For the reason I say got potential, do read back past post.... tongue.gif
Anyway this is also not my game.... tongue.gif

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Apr 12 2013, 02:19 PM)
Investing in luxury condo u shldnt be concern of rental yield. If rental yield is your concern then I would say tat one shld look elsewhere. Luxury condo is not suitable for every dollars to be calculate investors. If u do not hav deep pocket, forget it.
Able to purchase a luxury condo usually this group of player are less concern of that monthly rental collection. Or I would say there are already a substantial group even got no intention to rent out.
For the reason I say potential, do read back past post.... tongue.gif
Anyway this is also not my game.... tongue.gif
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1200psf considered luxury? My read your luxury definition is 900psf, MK address, Pavillion branding and only for those gullible water fish with deep pockets to keep this in the stamp album. Phew luckily I am not in this luxury group
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 12 2013, 02:24 PM)
1200psf considered luxury? My read your luxury definition is 900psf, MK address, Pavillion branding and only for those gullible water fish with deep pockets to keep this in the stamp album. Phew luckily I am not in this luxury group
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1200sf luxury or not depend on individual point of view. 1 person staying in 1200sf can it become or consider luxury?
My post states tat this is luxury condo, didnt specifically state tat 1200sf is luxury.
i says 1200sf is potential because its rare find for such size in that neighborhood....
I never consider property purchaser as water fish or not.... Everybody purchase property for their own reason, which other may not understand too.... Not everybody view things in a similar angle, do respect others ppl decision. The end.
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Apr 12 2013, 04:19 PM)
1200sf luxury or not depend on individual point of view. 1 person staying in 1200sf can it become or consider luxury?
My post states tat this is luxury condo, didnt specifically state tat 1200sf is luxury.
i says 1200sf is potential because its rare find for such size in that neighborhood....
I never consider property purchaser as water fish or not.... Everybody purchase property for their own reason, which other may not understand too.... Not everybody view things in a similar angle, do respect others ppl decision. The end.
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I beg to differ on your definition of luxury. Its ok to hv differing views. The readers in this forum are smart ppl who can distinguish fact and fiction, black and white or smoke and mirror.
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I believe there's a clear distinction between luxury condo and 'normal' ones in MK. Pavilion & Arcoris are both in the luxury category for mid-sized condos at the present moment. 24 hours concierge service, chauffeur availability etc. Value added services in other words. Don't think it's available in other condos within MK.
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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 12 2013, 12:42 PM)
ok  smile.gif  For me it's very simple , I looked around (but excused me for using bubbles to describe it but others may call it increase in price)

1. KLCC - 100% to 300% bubbles
2. PJ area - 100% to 200% bubbles
3. Cyberjaya - 100% to 200% bubbles
4. Other Klang valley suburbs: 100 to 300% bubbles
5. Bangsar - 30% to 50% bubbles
6. Mont Kiara - 10% to 30% bubbles
(all price based on new launch prices and not resale since 2010)

I picked the one with less bubbles- in case it burst, I also foresee a lot of momentum for MK 3 to 5 years down the road and I am a bit brand-concious (not too much  sweat.gif ) and I like MK so this is my natural choice.  biggrin.gif
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What do you mean by 100% to 300% ( or 10% to 30% ) bubbles in terms of price based on new launches and not resale price since 2010 ?

I couldn't understand the KLCC bracket as well as Bangsar bracket.

Mind enlighten me what are the bubbles ( or increased in price ) that you actually meant?

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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 12 2013, 01:53 PM)
Assume this rental(despite on high side in today's rental mkt in MK) for 1200sf @ 900psf, nett rental yield is 4% max.... this is not attractive to me
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Jedi do you mind sharing which development with good rental yield?
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 12 2013, 01:57 PM)
You pts are on emotional benefits but I am an investor who only influenced by numbers.... this is a cash flow negative investment to me.... opposite HARTAMAS regency across the road is few hundred psf cheaper and more legs to run
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Do you mind sharing what is the exactly by buying into Hartamas how you will have positive cash flow..
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 12 2013, 02:04 PM)
This is a trophy buy for those who go for Pavillion brand. I only wish buyers good luck and ask them to buy a stamp album....huhu!
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I will not try to change your perception, Pavilion is entirely for investor of next level, we are not looking for positive cash flow because we know buying into this "throphy property" means there is less likely many people can afford and this help to fend of speculators and those with almost negative cash flow.
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 12 2013, 02:24 PM)
1200psf considered luxury? My read your luxury definition is 900psf, MK address, Pavillion branding and only for those gullible water fish with deep pockets to keep this in the stamp album. Phew luckily I am not in this luxury group
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You said it well, you don't belong to this group, I guess you ill also scratch your head why people will pay more than 30 mil each for Four Season Penthouse, it's just not your kid of game...
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 12 2013, 08:08 PM)
I beg to differ on your definition of luxury. Its ok to hv differing views. The readers in this forum are smart ppl who can distinguish fact and fiction, black and white or smoke and mirror.
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Jedi ,you can perceived yourself as a smart investor and all but there are many point you forget to consider that property play in malaysia is already going into next phase of growth and we can no longer rely on a location to justified the price because you can only charge so high for location, look at MK , UEM/Sunrise knows that Mont Kiara or whatever name they want to put into thier development with MK name cannot bring anymore premium to the price, MK new launches used to be just few hundred ringgit below KLCC's price, but look at KLCC now already few thousand ahead of MK if you look at the different of the latest launches .already at 3K psf level , the different is KLCC is good at attracting Luxury brand ... and that really matter and make a lot of different.....never underestimate Luxury brand, Malaysia is proud to have Jimmy Choo's brand and the next one could be Pavilion. Sad but true and you may not like this...but luxury is used by many rich of well off people to position themselves apart from the rest and some of the country and company know how to p lay this game well look at France and Arnold Bernard the owner of LMVH.
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 12 2013, 02:24 PM)
1200psf considered luxury? My read your luxury definition is 900psf, MK address, Pavillion branding and only for those gullible water fish with deep pockets to keep this in the stamp album. Phew luckily I am not in this luxury group
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No offence, but I will really not be surprise if you owned a unit at Chow Kit road , luxury come from people's perception a 3,500 sf unit in chow kit for some may be luxury but not for others. Luxury play in everybody's mind without one realizing it probably (just maybe) like you could get offended after the statement above, you could ask me whats wrong with owning a unit at chow kit road, nothing wrong if you ask some people but for others it's a red-light area for bangladesh but the yield of rental, capital appreciation could be higher.

For me at least Chow Kit is not my cup of tea and especially knowing that we are in a forum talking about Mont Kiara, many people in this forum are same minded; sophisticated taste for luxury and that itself may not be comprehended by some investor who are looking any area as long as it make money..
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 13 2013, 09:41 AM)
Jedi ,you can perceived yourself as a smart investor and all but there are many point you forget to consider that property play in malaysia is already going into next phase of growth and we can no longer rely on a location to justified the price because you can only charge so high for location, look at MK , UEM/Sunrise knows that Mont Kiara or whatever name they want to put into thier development with MK name cannot bring anymore premium to the price, MK new launches used to be just few  hundred ringgit below KLCC's price, but look at KLCC now already few thousand ahead of MK if you look at the different of the latest launches .already at 3K psf level , the different is KLCC is good at attracting Luxury brand ... and that really matter and make a lot of different.....never underestimate Luxury brand, Malaysia is proud to have Jimmy Choo's brand and the next one could be Pavilion. Sad but true and you may not like this...but luxury is used by many rich of well off people to position themselves apart from the rest and some of the country and company know how to p lay this game well look at France and Arnold Bernard the owner of LMVH.
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Jedi do you mind sharing which development with good rental yield?
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I can give you a long list but why shld I spoon feed you. Don't be lazy, look out subsale and rental prices in Star classified ads and iProperty and do the maths.
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Do you mind sharing what is the exactly by buying into Hartamas how you will have positive cash flow..
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Seems you are less familiar with MK areas... Pls go and check out HR prices in newspaper and online property forum and you will understand better
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 13 2013, 09:23 AM)
I will not try to change your perception, Pavilion is entirely for investor of next level, we are not looking for positive cash flow because we know buying into this "throphy property" means there is less likely many people can afford and this help to fend of speculators and those with almost negative cash flow.
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Then good luck to the journey of trophy collection. Investors are smarter nowadays.
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 13 2013, 09:25 AM)
You said it well, you don't belong to this group, I guess you ill also scratch your head why people will pay more than 30 mil each  for Four Season Penthouse, it's just not your kid of game...
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If 2 out of millions out there paid 30mil for trophy...it means a shallow represent summer is coming?? I find your analogy is flaw and misleading. You do not have to convince me since I am not a gullible investor.
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 13 2013, 10:40 AM)
I can give you a long list but why shld I spoon feed you. Don't be lazy, look out subsale and rental prices in Star classified ads and iProperty and do the maths.
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a lazy reply instead.... thumbup.gif I though this smart investor must have full analysis up his sleeve... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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Then good luck to the journey of trophy collection. Investors are smarter nowadays.
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you are the one who said this is throphy, a good property cabn only be decribed as throphy
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 13 2013, 09:41 AM)
Jedi ,you can perceived yourself as a smart investor and all but there are many point you forget to consider that property play in malaysia is already going into next phase of growth and we can no longer rely on a location to justified the price because you can only charge so high for location, look at MK , UEM/Sunrise knows that Mont Kiara or whatever name they want to put into thier development with MK name cannot bring anymore premium to the price, MK new launches used to be just few  hundred ringgit below KLCC's price, but look at KLCC now already few thousand ahead of MK if you look at the different of the latest launches .already at 3K psf level , the different is KLCC is good at attracting Luxury brand ... and that really matter and make a lot of different.....never underestimate Luxury brand, Malaysia is proud to have Jimmy Choo's brand and the next one could be Pavilion. Sad but true and you may not like this...but luxury is used by many rich of well off people to position themselves apart from the rest and some of the country and company know how to p lay this game well look at France and Arnold Bernard the owner of LMVH.
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Pavillion analogy to LVMH and Bernard....I find this funny and amazed with your figment of imagination. If I use your logic, BN brand also a luxury viewing the brand is in existence for many yrs in bolehland. So Jimmy Choo also owns unit in Tiffani located next to this Pavillion hilltop in MK but much cheaper...so Tiffani condo shld be luxury and more affordable, right?
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 13 2013, 10:48 AM)
If 2 out of millions out there paid 30mil for trophy...it means a shallow represent summer is coming?? I find your analogy is flaw and misleading. You do not have to convince me since I am not a gullible investor.
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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 13 2013, 10:09 AM)
No offence, but I will really not be surprise if you owned a unit at Chow Kit road , luxury come from people's perception a 3,500 sf unit in chow kit for some may be luxury but not for others. Luxury play in everybody's mind without one realizing it  probably (just maybe) like you could get offended after the statement above, you could ask me whats wrong with owning a unit at chow kit road, nothing wrong if you ask some people but for others it's a red-light area for bangladesh but the yield of rental, capital appreciation could be higher.

For me at least Chow Kit is not my cup of tea and especially knowing that  we are in a forum talking about Mont Kiara, many people in this forum are same minded; sophisticated taste for luxury and that itself may not be comprehended by some investor who are looking any area as long as it make money..
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Wow, chow kit ppl no standard meh even some bosses there cld own multi millions shoplots there...

Guess you are SA for this project, dun simply bring ppl to holland lar. Japan is better!

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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 13 2013, 10:56 AM)
Pavillion analogy to LVMH and Bernard....I find this funny and amazed with your figment of imagination. If I use your logic, BN brand also a luxury viewing the brand is in existence for many yrs in bolehland. So Jimmy Choo also owns unit in Tiffani located next to this Pavillion hilltop in MK but much cheaper...so Tiffani condo shld be luxury and more affordable, right?
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BN brand, Jimmy Choo staying in tifanni that is why Tifanni is luxury... what kind of analogy is this....do you understand what are we talking about or not from the begining? Brand... not BN
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 13 2013, 10:54 AM)
a lazy reply instead.... thumbup.gif I though this smart investor must have full analysis up his sleeve...  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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I leave this to the wisdom of readers here to judge... They know very well what are rental yield for property in various discussion threads here
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Wow, chow kit ppl no standard meh even some bosses there cld own multi millions shoplots there...

Guess you are SA for this project, dun simply bring ppl to holland lar. Japan is better!
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I think you belong to chow Kit no wonder never fully understand the significant of brand and MK as a prime location for international community... just shut up man.. you are embarrasing us Malaysian in the international community..... I beg you.... notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 13 2013, 11:02 AM)
I leave this to the wisdom of readers here to judge... They know very well what are rental yield for property in various discussion threads here
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agin tell us what is the yield you have in your portfolio... too stingy to share or actually just an empty shell?


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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 13 2013, 10:58 AM)
This is liking to teaching monkey how to use remote control, for monkey it's just totally not their nature to understand the sophistication.  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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Who make oneself as a monkey here, the forummers here know better. When one cannot argue with facts, one will get defensive and do personal attacks to cover the inability and inferior.. If you cannot take the heat in kitchen, then don't be a chef.
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Who make oneself as a monkey here, the forummers here know better. When one cannot argue with facts, one will get defensive and do personal attacks to cover the inability and inferior.. If you cannot take the heat in kitchen, then don't be a chef.
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i am still waiting for your facts and methodology......c'mon you can do better than that.. at least something
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 13 2013, 11:04 AM)
I think you belong to chow Kit no wonder never fully understand the significant of brand and MK as a prime location for international community... just shut up man.. you are embarrasing us Malaysian in the international community..... I beg you.... notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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The more I read your posts, it affirms my belief you are a SA trying to cari makan to promote this project. Your are embarrassing yourself and indirectly impact Pavillion branding plus chasing away potential luxury buyers
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The more I read your posts, it affirms my belief you are a SA trying to cari makan to promote this project. Your are embarrassing yourself and indirectly impact Pavillion branding plus chasing away potential luxury buyers
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whatever it is Pavilion will like that I chase a way a potential speculators like one here....levae this place man it's just not cut for you... i beg you, you will only inflate the price here and leave ... we dont want ppl like you here.... just dont invest in Pavilion it is no good like you say,,, just leave
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i am still waiting for your facts and methodology......c'mon you can do better than that.. at least something
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Good try to bait me about my portfolio and then nitpicking to make mountain out of a mole. Try this trick on others pls. Don't be off topic and stick to the thread about Pavillion
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whatever it is Pavilion will like that I chase a way a potential speculators like one here....levae this place man it's just not cut for you... i beg you, you will only inflate the price here and leave ... we dont want ppl like you here.... just dont invest in Pavilion it is no good like you say,,, just leave
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We just want to stay here happily and if the price increase bit by bit with rental yield acceptable even it is negative it is good enough for it is obsorb part of interest or maybe the principles....we are not looking with coming out without no money and expect big return... these are speculators... no we dont want speculators they are like leeches suck the development dried and leave
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 13 2013, 11:10 AM)
whatever it is Pavilion will like that I chase a way a potential speculators like one here....levae this place man it's just not cut for you... i beg you, you will only inflate the price here and leave ... we dont want ppl like you here.... just dont invest in Pavilion it is no good like you say,,, just leave
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You talk like as if you or your father own this lyn forum. The objective of this open forum is to allow ppl to share views even it cld be different. You need help, dude!

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We just want to stay here happily and if the price increase bit by bit with rental yield acceptable even it is negative it is good enough for it is obsorb part of interest or maybe the principles....we are not looking with coming out without no money and expect big return... these are speculators... no we dont want speculators they are like leeches suck the development dried and leave
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I believed all the good developer are trying to fend off people like you and Pavilion will thank me 1000 X for this
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You talk like as if you or your father own this lyn forum. The objective of this open forum is to allow ppl to share views even it cld be different. You need help, dude!
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dude choose the right forum to talk dont just talk empty we appreciate if you h ave good analogy with fact perhaps some better recommendation, we are all investors here... sharing info i cannot stand if i see someone just hit and run without any real contribution
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 13 2013, 11:14 AM)
We just want to stay here happily and if the price increase bit by bit with rental yield acceptable even it is negative it is good enough for it is obsorb part of interest or maybe the principles....we are not looking with coming out without no money and expect big return... these are speculators... no we dont want speculators they are like leeches suck the development dried and leave
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Everyone has a view on each project. You and me has that right to speak. You do not have to bad mouth or derogate any forummer here if the view is different. You need to grow up a bit and see how my fav star, Robert de Nieo, treated his friends in Deer Hunter
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I believed all the good developer are trying to fend off people like you and Pavilion will thank me 1000 X for this
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Haha, so you confessed Pavillion will pay you to promote this project?
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refer back to my initial comment you look at my analogy and reasons... it is clear if you have something like this it is good i will appreciate it but dont destroy the essence of this forum which is to reasons, everybody can throw shit and run but not everyone can reasons
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Haha, so you confessed Pavillion will pay you to promote this project?
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I wish if they pay me.... but instead I am the one who pay them to buy their property
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 13 2013, 11:17 AM)
dude choose the right forum to talk dont just talk empty we appreciate if you h ave good analogy with fact perhaps some better recommendation, we are all investors here... sharing info i cannot stand if i see someone just hit and run without any  real contribution
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I thot I am in the right forum, isn't I? Just because my views are different than yours, then you are welcomed to provide your POA with facts and let the readers judge themselves
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refer back to my initial comment you look at my analogy and reasons... it is clear if you have something like this it is good i will appreciate it but dont destroy the essence of this forum which is to reasons, everybody can throw shit and run but not everyone can reasons
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I am not sure who is destroying the decorum here, let the mod deal with this
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 13 2013, 10:59 AM)
Wow, chow kit ppl no standard meh even some bosses there cld own multi millions shoplots there...

Guess you are SA for this project, dun simply bring ppl to holland lar. Japan is better!
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This guy is a bit offensive, I am disappointed in this forum, As a Japanese I think i should be appreciated that I love t his country but some people are just not right for this... I am leaving this forum, \ but I must say I am a bit offended by his remark on the Japanese... sad.gif
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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 13 2013, 11:25 AM)
This guy is a bit offensive, I am disappointed in this forum, As a Japanese I think i should be appreciated that I love t his country but some people are just not right for this... I am leaving this forum, \ but I must say I am a bit offended by his remark on the Japanese... sad.gif
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You are tasting your own medicine when you simply label ppl coming from chow kit
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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 13 2013, 11:25 AM)
This guy is a bit offensive, I am disappointed in this forum, As a Japanese I think i should be appreciated that I love t his country but some people are just not right for this... I am leaving this forum, \ but I must say I am a bit offended by his remark on the Japanese... sad.gif
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Angela not all Malaysian are jerk like this guy we appreciate your contributions and please don't leave this forum. we are all highly civilized
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You are tasting your own medicine when you simply label ppl coming from chow kit
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heh man did Angela ask you not to be offended at the first place and she is trying to proof what brand is to you and you took the bait ... my god how smart... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 13 2013, 11:28 AM)
Angela not all Malaysian are jerk like this guy we appreciate your contributions and please don't leave this forum. we are all highly civilized
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Angela shld b back soon in a new nick.

when one said he or she is highly civilized but keep bad mouthed others with opposing views with names like monkey, jerk, etc. this reminds me about politicians in bolehland....cakap tak serupa bikin
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Btw MK still has potential to grow.

Luxury brands are turning to Southeast Asia to launch their conceptual residences. For example, Ralph Lauren Residences.

Why I say MK? Becoz it is now a place for branded hoteliers to look at. They will normally bring along their residences department.
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QUOTE(accetera @ Apr 13 2013, 10:47 PM)
Btw MK still has potential to grow.

Luxury brands are turning to Southeast Asia to launch their conceptual residences. For example, Ralph Lauren Residences.

Why I say MK? Becoz it is now a place for branded hoteliers to look at. They will normally bring along their residences department.
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Agreed, MK road and facility may not be able to handled big mass as KLCC but it's as a perfect place for botique luxury development, at least this is what I think and I think Ms. Angela would agree with me on this. biggrin.gif
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Agreed, MK road and facility may not be able to handled big mass as KLCC but it's as a perfect place for botique luxury development, at least this is what I think and I think Ms. Angela would agree with me on this.  biggrin.gif
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what do u think of MK Sunrise quality and after sales service?
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Can anyone tell me where all this 1200sft unit facing? Can pm me the contact number of the sales person? I'm keen to own one .. smile.gif
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Just book a 1200sqf mid floor unit 05... Only left a few 1200sqf

Hope can meet some neighbours here in the future

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Just book a 1200sqf mid floor unit 05... Only left a few 1200sqf

Hope can meet some neighbours here in the future

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What's the actual price psf? Any rebates or DIBS? Any layout plan to upload? No advertising nor promotion but almost sapu licin? BBB mode still well and truly alive
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what do u think of MK Sunrise quality and after sales service?
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I do not own a unit by Sunrise so I am not sure of their After-Sales-Service but I think thieir quality is not bad, but it's just their sales peopleis one of the much talked about in this forum and I think they could afford to use this strategy last time when Sunrise brand was really rising, but now if they would to use the same startegy it would back-fire on them badly.... went to one of their showroom at Puteri Harbour the other day... gosh come out of the show room immidiately , cannot stand their attitude...but if their quality is excellent I think some people may forgive them but for me there are so many developer offering on par or better quality..



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Can anyone tell me where all this 1200sft unit facing? Can pm me the contact number of the sales person? I'm keen to own one .. smile.gif
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South-East (possibly partly facing another future block and partly KLCC view ) and North- East (facing KLCC view and possibly partly Seni but the distance a bit far )
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What's the actual price psf? Any rebates or DIBS? Any layout plan to upload? No advertising nor promotion but almost sapu licin? BBB mode still well and truly alive
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hahaha that's true and I think they are selective on the tenant otherwise already long gone, Jedi will not be able to make the cut for sure rclxms.gif
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hahaha that's true and I think they are selective on the tenant  otherwise already long gone, Jedi will not be able to make the cut for sure  rclxms.gif
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Goodness grief... stop making a fool of yourself publicly here and your master or sponsor may not be happy seeing this thread being digressing into off topic.

I am not going for this trophy project viewing poor rental yield. May the force be with you to convince more buyers.
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I do not own a unit by Sunrise so I am not sure of their After-Sales-Service but I think thieir quality is not bad, but it's just their sales peopleis one of the much talked about in this forum and I think they could afford to use this strategy last time when Sunrise brand was really rising, but now if they would to use the same startegy it would back-fire on them badly.... went to one of their showroom at Puteri Harbour the other day... gosh come out of the show room immidiately , cannot stand their attitude...but if their quality is excellent I think some people may forgive them but for me there are so many developer offering on par or better quality..
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You mentioned you owned many condo units in MK in your earlier post, so none is Sunrise? Are you implying malton Amaya condo or Pavillion residence after sales service is better than sunrise? If yes, mind sharing the differences?
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 14 2013, 06:49 PM)
Goodness grief... stop making a fool of yourself publicly here and your master or sponsor may not be happy seeing this thread being digressing into off topic.

I am not going for this trophy project viewing poor rental yield. May the force be with you to convince more buyers.
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Nevermind this property haven't even been built, it's not even been officially launch yet, may I know where do you get the poor rental yield from? ohmy.gif ohmy.gif
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Dibs , legal fee, stamp fee absorbed ... 5%+5% discount right now ... Almost 90% sold
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 14 2013, 07:09 PM)
You mentioned you owned many condo units in MK in your earlier post, so none is Sunrise? Are you implying malton Amaya condo or Pavillion residence after sales service is better than sunrise? If yes, mind sharing the differences?
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I am not you... I don't have the phychic ability to tell what the rental yield is really going to be in the future, so I am not able to tell you weather the quality of Pavilion is going to be as good as Sunrise, I am just human... smile.gif
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QUOTE(ultroman @ Apr 14 2013, 07:16 PM)
Dibs , legal fee, stamp fee absorbed ... 5%+5% discount right now ... Almost 90% sold
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Wow 90% sold alrd... that is fast...in just a week more than 50 units sold...any news when is the phase 2?


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Dibs , legal fee, stamp fee absorbed ... 5%+5% discount right now ... Almost 90% sold
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Do you mind teling us more about this development I am very interested rclxms.gif

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Wow 90% sold alrd... that is fast...in just  a week more than 50 units sold...any news when is the phase 2?
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So, the price psf of RM900 quoted is after the 5% + 5% discount? What's the booking fee?
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btw who is this Jedi???

Reading the comments blow-by-blow he started accusing people of being gullible without basis supporting it and bringing politic into the thread, I am happy to see another non- BN supporters but dude you need to calm down wink.gif you could be doing just the opposite sad.gif
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 14 2013, 07:11 PM)
Nevermind this property haven't even been built, it's not even been officially  launch yet,  may I know where do you get the poor rental yield from?  ohmy.gif  ohmy.gif
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haha....clearly you continue want to make a fool of yourself. It's your choice and i will buy popcorn and watch the clown in the circus.
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I am not you... I don't have the phychic ability to tell what the rental yield is really going to be in the future, so I am not able to tell you weather the quality of Pavilion is going to be as good as Sunrise, I am just human... smile.gif
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Did i ask you about rental yield? i am sure many prospects would keen to hear from the high civilized SA about the key difference of after sales service of Pavillion against Sunrise. it's fine if you do not have the answer or you don;t have any slightest clue
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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 14 2013, 07:51 PM)
btw who is this Jedi???

Reading the comments blow-by-blow he started accusing people of being gullible without basis supporting it and bringing politic into the thread, I am happy to see another non- BN supporters but dude you need to calm down  wink.gif  you could be doing just the opposite  sad.gif
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new member just joined lyn 30mins ago...

welcome back, angela b or twin brother of hunterlim brows.gif
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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 14 2013, 07:51 PM)
btw who is this Jedi???

Reading the comments blow-by-blow he started accusing people of being gullible without basis supporting it and bringing politic into the thread, I am happy to see another non- BN supporters but dude you need to calm down  wink.gif  you could be doing just the opposite  sad.gif
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If you look at his posts he actually doesn't contribute anything at all but gun-blazing at everything at all... doh.gif
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 14 2013, 08:15 PM)
Did i ask you about rental yield? i am sure many prospects would keen to hear from the high civilized SA about the key difference of after sales service of Pavillion against Sunrise. it's fine if you do not have the answer or you don;t have any slightest clue
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let me requote your quote in red below refresh your limited memory:


Goodness grief... stop making a fool of yourself publicly here and your master or sponsor may not be happy seeing this thread being digressing into off topic.

I am not going for this trophy project viewing poor rental yield. May the force be with you to convince more buyers.









You just gun-blazing so fast tat you dont even recall what you said rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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If you look at his posts he actually doesn't contribute anything at all but gun-blazing at everything at all... doh.gif
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haha...hope you not are talking to your ownself.

me gun blazing at everything? i have no problem to enter into an intelligence discussion about the facts and figures in condos along Jln Kiara Duta where Seni, Kiaraville, Tiffani and this Pavillion Hilltop are located. But you said earlier you are just human and do not have ability to provide requested info....now tell me who is not contributing
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 14 2013, 08:38 PM)
let me requote your quote in red below refresh your limited memory:
Goodness grief... stop making a fool of yourself publicly here and your master or sponsor may not be happy seeing this thread being digressing into off topic.

I am not going for this trophy project viewing poor rental yield. May the force be with you to convince more buyers.
You just gun-blazing so fast tat you dont even recall what you said  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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So I ask you again......may I know where you get the low rental yield from? hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif



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So many newly registered member promoting and showing interest in this project?
If one is really keen, he/she shld go to the sales office themselves to find out more..... I bet nobody make a buying decision just by hearing what other ppl say... And if one is really that interested or keen in a project, he/she will definitely make an effort to go to the sales office.
I do hav good impression towards this project, however, seeing how new member hijack this thread really leave me some bad impression.
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 12 2013, 01:53 PM)
Assume this rental(despite on high side in today's rental mkt in MK) for 1200sf @ 900psf, nett rental yield is 4% max.... this is not attractive to me
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Hunterlim, pls open your eyes big big here.

clearly you are not reading or simply neglecting my earlier posts and just do selective reading and shoot. are you a part time reporter from utusxn and like to spin stories?

my last advice to you, this discussion has been gone off topic. You shld consider going back to school/college to brush up your english, deepen your analysis and improve your mannerism....i mean it.
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Hunterlim, pls open your eyes big big here.

clearly you are not reading or simply neglecting my earlier posts and just do selective reading and shoot. are you a part time reporter from utusxn and like to spin stories?

my last advice to you, this discussion has been gone off topic. You shld consider going back to school/college to brush up your english, deepen your analysis and improve your mannerism....i mean it.
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Pls let me know where you derived from 4% max? Open your brains big big, start listening to ppl ohmy.gif
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new member just joined lyn 30mins ago...

welcome back, angela b or twin brother of hunterlim  brows.gif
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Apr 14 2013, 08:41 PM)
So many newly registered member promoting and showing interest in this project?
If one is really keen, he/she shld go to the sales office themselves to find out more..... I bet nobody make a buying decision just by hearing what other ppl say... And if one is really that interested or keen in a project, he/she will definitely make an effort to go to the sales office.
I do hav good impression towards this project, however, seeing how new member hijack this thread really leave me some bad impression.
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Bro, i do not mean to enter into this non constructive and "holier than thou" posts like playing ping pong. When someone were calling names like monkey and jerk toward another person who was giving oppostive views, i have no choice but to defend myself.
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Pls let me know where you derived from 4% max? Open your brains big big, start listening to ppl  ohmy.gif
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ok calm it dude, no swearing here we cannot be like him
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 14 2013, 08:53 PM)
Bro, i do not mean to enter into this non constructive and "holier than thou" posts like playing ping pong. When someone were calling names like monkey and jerk toward another person who was giving oppostive views, i have no choice but to defend myself.
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look at the initial posts all , you came in and call us all gullible waterfish, without basis who is "hollier than thou" here?
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Pls let me know where you derived from 4% max? Open your brains big big, start listening to ppl  ohmy.gif
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this is my last post to you. clearly i am wasting my time here since you are not reading the earlier posts i exchanged with other forumers.


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this is my last post to you. clearly i am wasting my time here since you are not reading the earlier posts i exchanged with other forumers.
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my last advice and before I offer my hand shake that many of people appreciate good input, try to give some good input everyone will appreciate it, cheers.gif
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my last advice and before I offer my hand shake that many of people appreciate good input, try to give some good input everyone will appreciate it,  cheers.gif
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Peace and chill. Lets agree to disagree and move on.

We may hold different views on investment but we may have one thing in common. Deer Hunter is really my fav movie. Watched 5 times and never mind watching over and over again.

May the force be with you.
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Ok someone pls let us know if any of u familiar with the after sales service frm Sunrise against similar league developer. Tq

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Ok someone pls let us know if any of u familiar with the after sales service frm Sunrise against similar league developer. Tq
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Bukit Kiara Properties does have one of the better after sales services if we are talking about properties within MK. Can't think of another. Anybody?
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Bukit Kiara Properties does have one of the better after sales services if we are talking about properties within MK. Can't think of another. Anybody?
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A lot of Verve suited fan over here, I would say Bukit Kiara properties is very good especially with the Verve suites Internal Design of its over-the-top facilities, for the quality furnishing of the unit however I would give it a B-. Hope I will not offend someoone here, I just taking facts...but all-in-all its a good development smile.gif


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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Apr 14 2013, 08:41 PM)
So many newly registered member promoting and showing interest in this project?
If one is really keen, he/she shld go to the sales office themselves to find out more..... I bet nobody make a buying decision just by hearing what other ppl say... And if one is really that interested or keen in a project, he/she will definitely make an effort to go to the sales office.
I do hav good impression towards this project, however, seeing how new member hijack this thread really leave me some bad impression.
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I believed many here just like me have been readiog lowyat post for very long time but do not have the initiatives to register because they do not see any property that interest them, so possibly like me , they finally see the push factor for them to register and ask question since Pavilion MK is now seeing by many as a flagship development that will bring MK to the next level.


Just my analogy I could be wrong.. hmm.gif hmm.gif
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 15 2013, 12:46 PM)
I believed many here just like me have been readiog lowyat post for very long time but do not have the initiatives to register because they do not see any property that interest them, so possibly like me , they finally see the push factor for them to register and ask question since Pavilion MK is now seeing by many as a  flagship development that will bring MK to the next level.
Just my analogy I could be wrong.. hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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I do wish I'm wrong too.....
If sales staff or which other related to the development acting as interested buyer jus bring down the overall image of the project and developer.
I'm a believer in quality product shld come with quality marketing.
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 15 2013, 12:36 PM)
A lot of Verve suited fan over here, I would say Bukit Kiara properties is very good especially with the Verve suites Internal Design of its over-the-top facilities, for the quality furnishing of the unit however I would give it a B-. Hope I will not offend someoone here, I just taking facts...but all-in-all its a good development  smile.gif
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im staying at verve suites now. BKP do give excellence after sales services to his buyer. defect problem can be solved even after warranty period. quality furnishing consider above average if compare with many new development. eg. Dales YTL and Regalia Mk land. defect and quality or furnishing is unacceptable for me.
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Apr 15 2013, 01:00 PM)
I do wish I'm wrong too.....
If sales staff or which other related to the development acting as interested buyer jus bring down the overall image of the project and developer.
I'm a believer in quality product shld come with quality marketing.
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Totally agreed, I buy into quality and reputation of developer and nothing less...
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QUOTE(abo0804 @ Apr 15 2013, 01:08 PM)
im staying at verve suites now. BKP do give excellence after sales services to his buyer. defect problem can be solved even after warranty period. quality furnishing consider above average if compare with many new development. eg. Dales YTL and Regalia Mk land. defect and quality or furnishing is unacceptable for me.
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This is not the first time I heard about YTL quality probably from this thread as well, isn't YTL's sentul project said to offer good quality?
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so, anyone know pavilion quality?
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so, anyone know pavilion quality?
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The best way is to refer to pavilion residence .....
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so, anyone know pavilion quality?
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Few years back when I go see the completed Pavillion KL Residence, I'll gauge their quality as average only. Lots of flooring problems.
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Few years back when I go see the completed Pavillion KL Residence, I'll gauge their quality as average only. Lots of flooring problems.
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so tell me more......
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judge from the other forum....seems like a lot of people admire the place......perhaps you can tell me more abt it


http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=545418&page=5
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Judging from the rating in trip advisor on their basically all 5 stars due to the location and the services basically all shared by the owner who bought the units there

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g2...ersekutuan.html


I think it is normal for any development during handover to have a bit of defects the things that set them apart is the service how fast they ractify the probelm for example Bukit kiara property do rectofy even upon warranty period.... I heard Pavilion Kl do that too
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so tell me more......
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U sound more like defending them then enquiring more.... smile.gif
Nevertheless, I speak on my personal experience... I remember one of the block was selling by DTZ as it was enblock sold to one company and they sub sale out (if I don't remember wrongly).... Viewed a few units, mostly flooring doesn't come with good finishing and lots of crack can be seen.
Didnt buy end up, thou not simply because of flooring but dislike the room size, too small. That's it.

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Apr 15 2013, 04:30 PM)
U sound more like defending them then enquiring more.... smile.gif
Nevertheless, I speak on my personal experience... I remember one of the block was selling by DTZ as it was enblock sold to one company and they sub sale out (if I don't remember wrongly).... Viewed a few units, mostly flooring doesn't come with good finishing and lots of crack can be seen.
Didnt buy end up, thou not simply because of flooring but dislike the room size, too small. That's it.
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Lots of cracks and the room is small , fair enough smile.gif
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Apr 15 2013, 04:30 PM)
U sound more like defending them then enquiring more.... smile.gif
Nevertheless, I speak on my personal experience... I remember one of the block was selling by DTZ as it was enblock sold to one company and they sub sale out (if I don't remember wrongly).... Viewed a few units, mostly flooring doesn't come with good finishing and lots of crack can be seen.
Didnt buy end up, thou not simply because of flooring but dislike the room size, too small. That's it.
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aiyah it's very difficult to be as humanly as possibly sometimes, when you know that I am an investor in Pavilion whatever i said is wrong..., I think I am as normal as it can be...I tried to google pavilion KL residence after your comment above... I am also learning here but all came out good review, so your information is first hand to me .. that is why i ask you to tell me more...
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 15 2013, 04:59 PM)
aiyah it's very difficult to be as humanly as possibly  sometimes, when you know that I am an investor in Pavilion whatever i said is wrong..., I think I am as normal as it can be...I tried to google pavilion KL residence after your comment above... I am also learning here but  all came out good review, so your information is first hand to me .. that is why i ask you to tell me more...
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perhaps by rating B- is something that make some ppl here unhappy but I did my homework before I comment, I am just getting the idea from this forum and by rating is B- has being very fair


http://www.myrealestate.com.my/viewtopic.p...62e6b7c9b188f29
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Lots of cracks and the room is small , fair enough  smile.gif
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perhaps pavilion ppl will raed this thread and improve on the room size and also the flooring problem.... smile.gif
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Hah, it seems that people derive more on emotion than sense when investing nowadays...especially considering the prop prices now.

Seriously, mont kiara to me are over developed and competition for rental there I think is now insane....

And some people dare to claim investing need to look at cap appreciation only. Difficult to get rental there and obtain decent yield even...

If buy for stay, that is one thing...buy for invest...I wouldn't consider it...
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 15 2013, 07:29 PM)
Hah, it seems that people derive more on emotion than sense when investing nowadays...especially considering the prop prices now.

Seriously, mont kiara to me are over developed and competition for rental there I think is now insane....

And some people dare to claim investing need to look at cap appreciation only. Difficult to get rental there and obtain decent yield even...

If buy for stay, that is one thing...buy for invest...I wouldn't consider it...
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There may be some merits in over development to a certain degree but I believe MK is still one of the prime expats residential choices. There were some earlier posts stating that prices have been stagnant for a while now. I believe the next catalyst or upward movement in price will come in the near future. Moreover, the upcoming MRT circle line will past through the area. Location is still top notch with close proximity towards city centre.

As for rental, I do agree it's pretty competitive. But then, there are some within the vicinity where demand is greater than supply. One just need to be careful and 'choose' the right developer and project.

By and large, I'm still quite positive on MK's overall future potential. Jas m2c
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 15 2013, 07:29 PM)
Hah, it seems that people derive more on emotion than sense when investing nowadays...especially considering the prop prices now.

Seriously, mont kiara to me are over developed and competition for rental there I think is now insane....

And some people dare to claim investing need to look at cap appreciation only. Difficult to get rental there and obtain decent yield even...

If buy for stay, that is one thing...buy for invest...I wouldn't consider it...
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Go with your logic, probably Phillipines is good for you with the high capital appreciation there .... ring a bell?






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A bit regret contributing in this thread , end of the day I ask myself what benefit do I get from sharing? Zero other than some unkind words, I think Ms. Angela has found that out earlier than me , so this will be my last post... good bye and good luck everyone.
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 15 2013, 07:29 PM)
Hah, it seems that people derive more on emotion than sense when investing nowadays...especially considering the prop prices now.

Seriously, mont kiara to me are over developed and competition for rental there I think is now insane....

And some people dare to claim investing need to look at cap appreciation only. Difficult to get rental there and obtain decent yield even...

If buy for stay, that is one thing...buy for invest...I wouldn't consider it...
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Compared to Cyberjaya, Mont Kiara is better location, don't you think? wink.gif

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People buy Cyberjaya because in total capital outlay is deemed cheap given the hype, infrastructure, publicity, new concepts and a renewed focus by big players.

People buy Mont Kiara because they truly like the place, like their kids to grow up there, like the matured green and expat environment and like to be accompanied by Audi, Lexus, BMWs, etc.

Now see the difference...

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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 15 2013, 08:52 PM)
Go with your logic,  probably Phillipines is good for you with the high capital appreciation there .... ring a bell?
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Or that we could be at the cusp of a bubble bursting....does that ring a bell?
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Compared to Cyberjaya, Mont Kiara is better location, don't you think?  wink.gif
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Bro...apples and oranges.

Mont kiara now at least 700 psf, cyber 500 psf.

Mont kiara overdeveloped while cyber underdeveloped.

Cyber is developing. Anyway, I cancelled my purchase there cause I think over supply of pigeon hole apartments
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 16 2013, 08:00 AM)
Bro...apples and oranges.

Mont kiara now at least 700 psf, cyber 500 psf.

Mont kiara overdeveloped while cyber underdeveloped.

Cyber is developing. Anyway, I cancelled my purchase there cause I think over supply of pigeon hole apartments
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Still, when compared to Cyber 500psf, Puchong 500psf, Bkt Jalil 500psf and Sri Kembangan 500psf, MK 700psf seems less insane.

Comparing Covillea some people listing for 600psf and Hijauan Kiara which you can actually get for close to the same price, it seems rather a no-brainer to pick MK.
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QUOTE(joeblows @ Apr 16 2013, 08:41 AM)
Still, when compared to Cyber 500psf, Puchong 500psf, Bkt Jalil 500psf and Sri Kembangan 500psf, MK 700psf seems less insane.

Comparing Covillea some people listing for 600psf and Hijauan Kiara which you can actually get for close to the same price, it seems rather a no-brainer to pick MK.
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QUOTE(joeblows @ Apr 16 2013, 08:41 AM)
Still, when compared to Cyber 500psf, Puchong 500psf, Bkt Jalil 500psf and Sri Kembangan 500psf, MK 700psf seems less insane.

Comparing Covillea some people listing for 600psf and Hijauan Kiara which you can actually get for close to the same price, it seems rather a no-brainer to pick MK.
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Well, I dunno.

MK to me seem to be oversupplied of min 700-800 psf condos.

It is like condo jungle to me there.

Cyber can still get less than 400 psf,

Puchong to me not that many over 550 psf, setia walk also have offices, commercial center and mall all in one.

Also, I heard the white expats are moving out from MK and now going to KD.
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 16 2013, 09:39 AM)
Well, I dunno.

MK to me seem to be oversupplied of min 700-800 psf condos.

It is like condo jungle to me there.

Cyber can still get less than 400 psf,

Puchong to me not that many over 550 psf, setia walk also have offices, commercial center and mall all in one.

Also, I heard the white expats are moving out from MK and now going to KD.
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I've heard some expats moving to DPC but i believe KD is still a bit premature. There may be a few but I don't see an influx of expats into KD just yet. Perhaps in the future when the MRT is completed plus high-end development like Tropicana Gardens adding to the attractiveness. But at the moment, the preferred location will still be MK or Ampang area. Just IMHO
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QUOTE(Rusby @ Apr 16 2013, 10:14 AM)
I've heard some expats moving to DPC but i believe KD is still a bit premature. There may be a few but I don't see an influx of expats into KD just yet. Perhaps in the future when the MRT is completed plus high-end development like Tropicana Gardens adding to the attractiveness. But at the moment, the preferred location will still be MK or Ampang area. Just IMHO
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From what I heard the PRCs are moving into Ampang and Bangsar and driving the Mat Sallehs out...they don't like to mix with the PRCs it seems...
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From what I heard the PRCs are moving into Ampang and Bangsar and driving the Mat Sallehs out...they don't like to mix with the PRCs it seems...
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Jln Kiara from Plaza MK junction to Jln Duta Kiara junction at Hartamas Regency is ? 2km and how many units of condo/seviced apts is it serving? I would think it is the highest units/km road ratio in Malaysia and the remaining plots that are undeveloped are earmarked for more high rise buildings!

The plus points are its location, it's next to Bukit Damansara, THE prime residential address in KL, and best of all the access roads are toll free. Most of the condos are well managed and there is a sizeable expat population.

But if you want a poh piah or a wan tan mee, you have to drive to Lucky Garden or Section 17, no cheap food here.
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 16 2013, 09:39 AM)
Well, I dunno.

MK to me seem to be oversupplied of min 700-800 psf condos.

It is like condo jungle to me there.

Cyber can still get less than 400 psf,

Puchong to me not that many over 550 psf, setia walk also have offices, commercial center and mall all in one.

Also, I heard the white expats are moving out from MK and now going to KD.
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If you mean KD area and not DPC, I seriously doubt this info.

KD = high crime area. Every single day got snatch theft, car break in incidents.

Accessibility is also a major issue - no doubt MK is jammed but then KD is not much different.
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If you mean KD area and not DPC, I seriously doubt this info.

KD = high crime area. Every single day got snatch theft, car break in incidents.

Accessibility is also a major issue - no doubt MK is jammed but then KD is not much different.
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I agree about accessibility and jam, but seriously, this is Malaysialah

Which area in Malaysia not plagued by snatch theft car break ins?.... biggrin.gif
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Or that we could be at the cusp of a bubble bursting....does that ring a bell?
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Mind sharing which part of Malaysia do not have bubbles forming?
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Mind sharing which part of Malaysia do not have bubbles forming?
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Got...N9, Kelantan, Pahang... biggrin.gif
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Well, I dunno.

MK to me seem to be oversupplied of min 700-800 psf condos.

It is like condo jungle to me there.

Cyber can still get less than 400 psf,

Puchong to me not that many over 550 psf, setia walk also have offices, commercial center and mall all in one.

Also, I heard the white expats are moving out from MK and now going to KD.
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Cyberjaya now is full truly pigeonholes unit aka SOHO SOVO going as small as 450 sf offering at 280 K 622 psf!!! example HYVE.. and no bubble and is not pigeonholes doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 16 2013, 10:53 AM)
Cyberjaya now is full truly pigeonholes  unit  aka SOHO SOVO going as small as 450 sf offering at 280 K 622 psf!!! example HYVE.. and no bubble and is not pigeonholes  doh.gif  doh.gif
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Cyberjaya filled with pigeonholes, I agree....that's why I cancelled my purchase of the Pan'gea there.

And what do you mean "no bubble and is not pigeonholes"?
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Cyberjaya now is full truly pigeonholes  unit  aka SOHO SOVO going as small as 450 sf offering at 280 K 622 psf!!! example HYVE.. and no bubble and is not pigeonholes  doh.gif  doh.gif
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less than 5 years ago I can get a condo in cyberjaya about 200 psf.. approx 300% bubbles!!
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less than 5 years ago I can get a condo in cyberjaya about 200 psf.. approx 300% bubbles!!
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compare cyberjaya of close to 300 % bubbles and the price of MK now... c'mon lah it's a no brainer for me.....
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compare cyberjaya of close to 300 % bubbles and the price of MK now... c'mon lah it's a no brainer for me.....
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Cyberjaya will have massive bubble in the future and it is not because of price...because out of nowhere like 10 developers build thousands of pigeonholes with malls underneath and all will VP by 2017, and I got no idea how many single people can I attract to rent or even buy my unit after VP then.

Mont Kiara to me is same thing...I think there is way too many high end condos in one place, and they are building more and more at 800 psf.

More supply than demand plus ever increasing prices with new launches, to me bubble.

Those who bought early, well, they made their pot and probably is safe.

I am more concerned about now, should you buy new launches now?
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People buy Cyberjaya because in total capital outlay is deemed cheap given the hype, infrastructure, publicity, new concepts and a renewed focus by big players.

People buy Mont Kiara because they truly like the place, like their kids to grow up there, like the matured green and expat environment and like to be accompanied by Audi, Lexus, BMWs, etc.

Now see the difference...
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 16 2013, 11:04 AM)
Cyberjaya will have massive bubble in the future and it is not because of price...because out of nowhere like 10 developers build thousands of pigeonholes with malls underneath and all will VP by 2017, and I got no idea how many single people can I attract to rent or even buy my unit after VP then.

Mont Kiara to me is same thing...I think there is way too many high end condos in one place, and they are building more and more at 800 psf.

More supply than demand plus ever increasing prices with new launches, to me bubble.

Those who bought early, well, they made their pot and probably is safe.

I am more concerned about now, should you buy new launches now?
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The factor about places like Cyberjaya and other outskirt property in klang valley's price include KLCC already factor in the future development that will be coming for instance MRT, HSR, other high impact development, thatis why many justified the cst of paying close to 600 psf and for Mont Kiara it's relatively still untouched. Even land in Pahang and Kelantan has went up like crazy, try to look for land price in Kuantan or Kota Bahru, touching more than Rm100 psf!! Holy Molly!

So basically there is "bubbles" everywhere in Malaysia by your defination of bubbles, so the question now is where to invest in Malaysia , for me I still choose Mont Kiara, despite all your reasons about oversupply and all, I dont see it because all my units are rented out just nicely.
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 16 2013, 09:39 AM)
Well, I dunno.

MK to me seem to be oversupplied of min 700-800 psf condos.

It is like condo jungle to me there.

Cyber can still get less than 400 psf,

Puchong to me not that many over 550 psf, setia walk also have offices, commercial center and mall all in one.

Also, I heard the white expats are moving out from MK and now going to KD.
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Mk is oversupplied of condos sizes bigger than 2500sf since MK10 onwards, and lacking of small sizes that Pavilion is selling now....so your facts of oversupplied 700-800psf condo seems not right...as that's memang the mkt price blink.gif

Moreover at KD, Dijaya project ady touching 1000psf and how many ang mo u can see in Giza compare with Publika during weekend ? =) thumbup.gif so for me MK is a no brainer as expatriate still like to rent there....=)
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Haha! I think many of us won't mind wink.gif
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I dont mind seems like those who can afford those area PRC has high taste and many has live in Europe or other part of western country and Malaysia so they have some manner it seems...
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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 16 2013, 12:51 PM)
The factor about places like Cyberjaya and other outskirt property in klang valley's price  include KLCC already factor in the future development that will be coming for instance MRT, HSR, other high impact development, thatis why many justified the cst of paying close to 600 psf and for Mont Kiara it's relatively still untouched. Even land in Pahang and Kelantan has went up like crazy, try to look for land price in Kuantan or Kota Bahru, touching more than Rm100 psf!! Holy Molly!

So basically there is "bubbles" everywhere in Malaysia by your defination of bubbles, so the question now is where to invest in Malaysia , for me I still choose Mont Kiara, despite all your reasons about oversupply and all, I dont see it because all my units are rented out just nicely.
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Well, I suppose we all need to invest in areas that we are comfortable.

For me, I prefer subang jaya.
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Well, I suppose we all need to invest in areas that we are comfortable.

For me, I prefer subang jaya.
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Subang jaya......unit in Casa Tiara a small shoebox unit alrd touching 800 psf rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif the area is congested like hell and with the massive development like SJCC coming OMG....
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A condo called Jesselton Residence at Kota Kinabalu, Sarawak is touching Rm1,000 psf and you guys are talking about Mont Kiara is overpriced and bubbles and etc, world is going upside down and some people's judgement on Malaysian property has haywired.... doh.gif
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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 16 2013, 02:19 PM)
Subang jaya......unit in Casa Tiara a small shoebox unit alrd touching 800 psf  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  the area is congested like hell and with the massive development like SJCC coming OMG....
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Wrong, about 650 psf.

Also, casa tiara is close the 2 successful malls, Subang Parade, Empire and 1 hypermarket. So it is very convinient

SJCC and kencana will add to its value, along with the LRT, Komuter within walking distance and BRT links it will be better connected than MK.

Secondly, subang jaya's hub, namely SS15, 16, 17 has only 6 condos plus one office converted into condo that only supply less than 1800 units in that hub, catering to students and middle to upperclass workers. Subang Jaya is mainly DST or SST houses.

casa tiara alone has 3 colleges within walking distance, and another 3 more connected by public transport.

For investment sake, rental is 95% guareenteed and rental yield way above average.

Compared to MK, which has too many condos all chasing expats and upper class malaysians with no mass transport in the short term, it is a better bet.

As for congestion....MK is quite congested too...especially since it doesn't even have rail at all for now...

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Wrong, about 650 psf.

Also, casa tiara is close the 2 successful malls, Subang Parade, Empire and 1 hypermarket. So it is very convinient

SJCC and kencana will add to its value, along with the LRT, Komuter within walking distance and BRT links it will be better connected than MK.

Secondly, subang jaya's hub, namely SS15, 16, 17 has only 6 condos plus one office converted into condo that only supply less than 1800 units in that hub, catering to students and middle to upperclass workers. Subang Jaya is mainly DST or SST houses.

casa tiara alone has 3 colleges within walking distance, and another 3 more connected by public transport.

For investment sake, rental is 95% guareenteed and rental yield way above average.

Compared to MK, which has too many condos all chasing expats and upper class malaysians with no mass transport in the short term, it is a better bet.
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wrong! Casa Kiara is just an apartment, sbang parade , empire does not add value to the premise, collages will only meant that the potential tenants are student with budget lomited from 1.5K to 3K per month whereelse MK has 3 internatiinal school cater to expats family with bedget of 5K to 10k per month. 650 psf is for 800 sf unit for shoe box unit, asking price is 800.


http://www.propwall.my/classifieds/1044068...-sale-by-ck-lau


As i said whatis the justification,ome people just know Mont Kiara by name and think that the target market of the area that are living in are the same as MK, absolutely haywire of pricing as we can see from the asking price above and the justification by the reader of subang jaya as a better place than MK.... rclxub.gif
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wrong!  Casa Kiara is just an apartment, sbang parade , empire does not add value to the premise, collages will only meant that the potential tenants are student with budget lomited from 1.5K to 3K per month whereelse MK has 3 internatiinal school cater to expats family with bedget of  5K to 10k per month. 650 psf is for 800 sf unit for shoe box unit, asking price is 800.
http://www.propwall.my/classifieds/1044068...-sale-by-ck-lau
As i said whatis the justification,ome people just know Mont Kiara by name and think that the target market of the area that are living in are the same as MK, absolutely haywire of pricing as we can see from the asking price above and the justification by the reader of subang jaya as a better place than MK.... rclxub.gif
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sorry what I meant was casa tiara not casa kiara, casa tiara is just casa Kiara wannabe.... a fake casa kiara
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 16 2013, 02:47 PM)
Wrong, about 650 psf.

Also, casa tiara is close the 2 successful malls, Subang Parade, Empire and 1 hypermarket. So it is very convinient

SJCC and kencana will add to its value, along with the LRT, Komuter within walking distance and BRT links it will be better connected than MK.

Secondly, subang jaya's hub, namely SS15, 16, 17 has only 6 condos plus one office converted into condo that only supply less than 1800 units in that hub, catering to students and middle to upperclass workers. Subang Jaya is mainly DST or SST houses.

casa tiara alone has 3 colleges within walking distance, and another 3 more connected by public transport.

For investment sake, rental is 95% guareenteed and rental yield way above average.

Compared to MK, which has too many condos all chasing expats and upper class malaysians with no mass transport in the short term, it is a better bet.

As for congestion....MK is quite congested too...especially since it doesn't even have rail at all for now...
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Actually, I do like both SJ and MK. Both locations have got their merits. Have been staying in SJ most of my life. But also tried staying in MK too. Different comparisons I must say. Type of properties also differ. As per norm, landed in SJ and high rise in MK. Nevertheless, good places to either stay or invest on long term basis. Just my personal opinion.
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wrong!  Casa Kiara is just an apartment, sbang parade , empire does not add value to the premise, collages will only meant that the potential tenants are student with budget lomited from 1.5K to 3K per month whereelse MK has 3 internatiinal school cater to expats family with bedget of  5K to 10k per month. 650 psf is for 800 sf unit for shoe box unit, asking price is 800.
http://www.propwall.my/classifieds/1044068...-sale-by-ck-lau
As i said whatis the justification,ome people just know Mont Kiara by name and think that the target market of the area that are living in are the same as MK, absolutely haywire of pricing as we can see from the asking price above and the justification by the reader of subang jaya as a better place than MK.... rclxub.gif
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Dude, Malaysia is a hub for international students to come to malaysia to study because a cheap place for them to study as compared to going to UK or Australia directly, in comparison, Malaysia doesn't attract that many rich expats compared to our neighbour down south to absorb all the condos in MK, hence plenty of unoccupied units there.

MK simply has way too many condos as compared to SJ. That is a fact.

Secondly, I got my shoebox for 660 psf a an area, admittedly because the seller is desperate to unload, but the average price is not more than 700 psf. I surveyed.

Thirdly, you let your emotions cloud your judgment if you say that shopping malls and public transport within walking distance does not add to the value of your property. Tell me then, which is more valuable: a house in a suburbs in New Jersey or a shoebox in a New York that is near the subway and other amenities psf wise? Which is more desirable? Why do you think nowadays developers love to sell shoebox condos with malls and commercial places underneath?

MK is just buying for name, period. If you enter the market say 5 years ago, yes you would make a decent return, because you could make your rental competitive and still make a profit.

Like it or not, MK has too many supply of condos as compared to the hub in Subang Jaya. You say to live in MK, I give you that. You say to invest, I am not so sure.

If you invest using your head instead of your heart, SJ's hub (if you even manage to get a unit with a decent price there), is a better bet than MK hands down.


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I do not want to argue about casa Tiara because I do not know the place, but I will leave it to expert to talk about the place

http://www.propwall.my/subang_jaya/casa_tiara


according to analysis, casa tiara is having a many high rises coming up and with limited students will be a cuttthorat price war for rental.

Shoebox is inhumane and many country like Singapore has a new rulling not stop production of shoebox units ( >500 sf) and MK definetaly do not have such unit because people there seeking for quality of living.

FYI, 5 years ago MK price is not much different han now but look at SJ, the price is skyrocketed beyond believe, which you guys are paying for future price without knowing it and the magic is that developer are making you paying with a smile on your face thikingthatyou got a good deal...


MK is beyond name, we got a stamp approval from the international community and the crime here is low and the people here seek high standard of living, we can see that with the absence of cruel shoebox unit. People here are decent and greet people when you bump them in the lift and so on. Totally different... you go to live here to know it without living here one can only judege by looking in, furthermore it's a myth that Mont Kiara is over supply, many agents told me that the occupancy rate for many development are excellent and include the unit that i stay in .
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 16 2013, 03:18 PM)
Dude, Malaysia is a hub for international students to come to malaysia to study because a cheap place for them to study as compared to going to UK or Australia directly, in comparison, Malaysia doesn't attract that many rich expats compared to our neighbour down south to absorb all the condos in MK, hence plenty of unoccupied units there.

MK simply has way too many condos as compared to SJ. That is a fact.

Secondly, I got my shoebox for 660 psf a an area, admittedly because the seller is desperate to unload, but the average price is not more than 700 psf. I surveyed.

Thirdly, you let your emotions cloud your judgment if you say that shopping malls and public transport within walking distance does not add to the value of your property. Tell me then, which is more valuable: a house in a suburbs in New Jersey or a shoebox in a New York that is near the subway and other amenities psf wise? Which is more desirable? Why do you think nowadays developers love to sell shoebox condos with malls and commercial places underneath?

MK is just buying for name, period. If you enter the market say 5 years ago, yes you would make a decent return, because you could make your rental competitive and still make a profit.

Like it or not, MK has too many supply of condos as compared to the hub in Subang Jaya. You say to live in MK, I give you that. You say to invest, I am not so sure.

If you invest using your head instead of your heart, SJ's hub (if you even manage to get a unit with a decent price there), is a better bet than MK hands down.
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I cannot believe my eyes, there is a guy here who says subang jaya is better than MK hand down! Compare Subang Jaya to Mont Kiara is like comparing Casio watch with AP watch...... sorry will retire for real now....
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Last year, I read one forummer's post saying that MK is oversupplied and was waiting for the prices to drop 20-30% this year to pick up a unit...

Doesn't seem like it is happening! Some of the posts here are made by people who actually stay in MK -- seem pretty positive about the outlook. And yes, the living conditions in MK is desirable indeed.

I suppose this project reaches out to those who see value beyond monetary returns i.e. the intangible "assets".



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I cannot believe my eyes, there is a guy here who says subang jaya is better than MK hand down! Compare Subang Jaya to Mont Kiara is like comparing Casio watch with AP watch...... sorry will retire for real now....
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Yeah, except for investors casio watches sells better than your so-called over priced rolexes.

Investors invest on fundamentals. Not because of some "brand name".


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I do not want to argue about casa Tiara because  I do not know the place, but I will leave it to expert to talk about the place

http://www.propwall.my/subang_jaya/casa_tiara
according to analysis, casa tiara is having a many high rises coming up and with limited students will be a cuttthorat price war for rental.

Shoebox is inhumane and many country like Singapore has a new rulling not stop production of shoebox units ( >500 sf) and MK definetaly do not have such unit because people there seeking for quality of living.

FYI, 5 years ago MK price is not much different han now but look at SJ, the price is skyrocketed beyond believe, which you guys are paying for future price without knowing it and the  magic is that developer are making you paying with a smile on your  face thikingthatyou got a good deal...
MK is beyond name, we got a stamp approval from the international community and the crime here is low and the people here seek high standard of living, we can see that with the absence of cruel shoebox unit. People  here are decent and greet people when you bump them in the lift and so on. Totally different... you go to live here to know it without living here one can only judege by looking in, furthermore it's a myth that Mont Kiara is over supply, many agents told me that the occupancy rate for many development are excellent and include the unit that i stay in .
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Dude, there isn't enough land in SJ to build more condos like in MK already, which seem like popping out a project for 600 units per year in that area....

Anymore apartments at the hub is the upcoming SJCC, which due to landsize will be limited to another 600 units at most, at 800-900 psf. That's it. There will be no more land to build on anymore where the location is good.

MK prices is stagnating because of overbuilding of luxury condos and lack of demand, also, due to upcoming areas like KD, and all chasing the limited supply of rich dudes wanting a posh address.

SJ remains a middle class area with constant demand due to its strategic location, development, amenities, which is far superior to MK.

Like I said, I am an investor. I don't live in those shoebox unit, but there are plenty of people want to live there for a few years and enjoy the lifestyle and convenience there. In short, a place to invest, not to live in. Cruel or not is not a factor to invest in.

Investors go to places like that, people like you who don't know how to assess the fundamentals don't get it.
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QUOTE(Malaysian_driver @ Apr 16 2013, 05:06 PM)
Last year, I read one forummer's post saying that MK is oversupplied and was waiting for the prices to drop 20-30% this year to pick up a unit...

Doesn't seem like it is happening!  Some of the posts here are made by people who actually stay in MK -- seem pretty positive about the outlook.  And yes, the living conditions in MK is desirable indeed.

I suppose this project reaches out to those who see value beyond monetary returns i.e. the intangible "assets".
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Yes, to live I agree.

Have you considered why in a bullrun other areas prices shot up like hell but MK is stagnant?

It is because of oversupply meeting rich people with holding power.

There is a lot of units in MK that is empty.

And the conga line of new projects and at its vicinity is not stopping yet...
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Dude, Malaysia is a hub for international students to come to malaysia to study because a cheap place for them to study as compared to going to UK or Australia directly, in comparison, Malaysia doesn't attract that many rich expats compared to our neighbour down south to absorb all the condos in MK, hence plenty of unoccupied units there.

MK simply has way too many condos as compared to SJ. That is a fact.

Secondly, I got my shoebox for 660 psf a an area, admittedly because the seller is desperate to unload, but the average price is not more than 700 psf. I surveyed.

Thirdly, you let your emotions cloud your judgment if you say that shopping malls and public transport within walking distance does not add to the value of your property. Tell me then, which is more valuable: a house in a suburbs in New Jersey or a shoebox in a New York that is near the subway and other amenities psf wise? Which is more desirable? Why do you think nowadays developers love to sell shoebox condos with malls and commercial places underneath?

MK is just buying for name, period. If you enter the market say 5 years ago, yes you would make a decent return, because you could make your rental competitive and still make a profit.

Like it or not, MK has too many supply of condos as compared to the hub in Subang Jaya. You say to live in MK, I give you that. You say to invest, I am not so sure.

If you invest using your head instead of your heart, SJ's hub (if you even manage to get a unit with a decent price there), is a better bet than MK hands down.
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And who are your tennants in SJ?

"International students" is just a more polite term for Pak Hitam and shifty-looking middle Eastern dudes nowadays.
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 16 2013, 05:07 PM)
Yeah, except for investors casio watches sells better than your so-called over priced rolexes.

Investors invest on fundamentals. Not because of some "brand name".
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With the price of SJ is liking to paying seiko watch for Rm30k , will take AP at 35K anytime...
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QUOTE(joeblows @ Apr 16 2013, 05:49 PM)
And who are your tennants in SJ?

"International students" is just a more polite term for Pak Hitam and shifty-looking middle Eastern dudes nowadays.
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hahahaha as he put at his own word "international student that looking for cheap education alternative", what do you think the level of people this area will attract?



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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 16 2013, 05:15 PM)
Dude, there isn't enough land in SJ to build more condos like in MK already, which seem like popping out a project for 600 units per year in that area....

Anymore apartments at the hub is the upcoming SJCC, which due to landsize will be limited to another 600 units at most, at 800-900 psf. That's it. There will be no more land to build on anymore where the location is good.

MK prices is stagnating because of overbuilding of luxury condos and lack of demand, also, due to upcoming areas like KD, and all chasing the limited supply of rich dudes wanting a posh address.

SJ remains a middle class area with constant demand due to its strategic location, development, amenities, which is far superior to MK.

Like I said, I am an investor. I don't live in those shoebox unit, but there are plenty of people want to live there for a few years and enjoy the lifestyle and convenience there. In short, a place to invest, not to live in. Cruel or not is not a factor to invest in.

Investors go to places like that, people like you who don't know how to assess the fundamentals don't get it.
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SJ remains a middle class area with constant demand due to its strategic location, development, amenities, which is far superior to MK.


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Wow this guy's biasness towards SJ is unbelievable, might as well say Subang jaya is better than Paris , Singapore, Milan and Melbourne.
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 16 2013, 05:15 PM)
Dude, there isn't enough land in SJ to build more condos like in MK already, which seem like popping out a project for 600 units per year in that area....

Anymore apartments at the hub is the upcoming SJCC, which due to landsize will be limited to another 600 units at most, at 800-900 psf. That's it. There will be no more land to build on anymore where the location is good.

MK prices is stagnating because of overbuilding of luxury condos and lack of demand, also, due to upcoming areas like KD, and all chasing the limited supply of rich dudes wanting a posh address.

SJ remains a middle class area with constant demand due to its strategic location, development, amenities, which is far superior to MK.

Like I said, I am an investor. I don't live in those shoebox unit, but there are plenty of people want to live there for a few years and enjoy the lifestyle and convenience there. In short, a place to invest, not to live in. Cruel or not is not a factor to invest in.

Investors go to places like that, people like you who don't know how to assess the fundamentals don't get it.
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Another anology that is beyond logic, land in Subang Jaya land is less than Mont Kiara.... hahahaha try look at batu tiga which is part of Subang Jaya, the land size availbility can built many many mont kiara rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(joeblows @ Apr 16 2013, 05:49 PM)
And who are your tennants in SJ?

"International students" is just a more polite term for Pak Hitam and shifty-looking middle Eastern dudes nowadays.
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Actually, the unit I bought comes with a tenant already, a Chinese father living with his daughter studying in a local college. They are from Johor. They are renewing the tenancy for another 2 years apparently.
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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 16 2013, 06:46 PM)
Another anology that is beyond  logic, land in  Subang Jaya land is less than Mont Kiara.... hahahaha try look at batu tiga which is part of Subang Jaya, the land size availbility can built many many mont kiara  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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In matter of fact the land in MK here is so scarce and the price in mont kiara is so expensive that it's not viable to built stand-alone hypermart in this area............otherwise it will be billion dollar hypermart...
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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 16 2013, 06:28 PM)
SJ remains a middle class area with constant demand due to its strategic location, development, amenities, which is far superior to MK.
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Wow this guy's biasness towards SJ is unbelievable, might as well say Subang jaya is better than Paris , Singapore,  Milan and Melbourne.
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Dude, if you can't counter a guy in an argument at least have the decency of not putting words on other people's mouth.

It just shows that you are incapable of logical and calm though. It shows how pathetic your skill in defending your position in a forum really.

I said that sj is better than mk, in my opinion, I never said it is better than Paris, Singapore and Milan.


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In matter of fact the land in MK here is so scarce and the price in mont kiara is so expensive that it's not viable to built stand-alone hypermart in this area............otherwise it will be billion dollar hypermart...
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Yes it is so scarce that developers pop out a high priced project at about 800 psf at every few years...
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Another anology that is beyond  logic, land in  Subang Jaya land is less than Mont Kiara.... hahahaha try look at batu tiga which is part of Subang Jaya, the land size availbility can built many many mont kiara  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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Bro, if you going to argue, please argue within my context.

I said the hub of subang jaya, meaning, ss16, 15, 17 and 14.

I did not think ss19 is the hub of sj, much less batu tiga.

If you even bother to check before posting, you would know that batu tiga is nowhere in subang jaya, ever.

It is like saying selayang is mont kiara.

Try harder bro.
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 16 2013, 06:52 PM)
Yes it is so scarce that developers pop out a high priced project at about 800 psf at every few years...
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you answer your own question, a place with abundance of land like SJ charging 800 psf and a place that is scarce of land charging 900psf which one you think is more justified talking about incapability of logic thinking..............the analogy of Seiko watch at 30K and AP watch at 35K is there for you to think logically ....
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Yes it is so scarce that developers pop out a high priced project at about 800 psf at every few years...
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you answer your own question, a place with abundance of land like SJ charging 800 psf and a place that is scarce of land charging 900psf which one you think is more justified talking about incapability of logic thinking..............the analogy of Seiko watch at 30K and AP watch at 35K is there for you to think logically ....
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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 16 2013, 06:23 PM)
hahahaha as he put at his own word "international student that looking for cheap education alternative", what do you think the level of people this area will attract?
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Err, people that would pay around 2k easily, and plenty of them looking for decent accomodation?

Hiw's the rental market in mk....can you honestly find your expats all clamouring to live in your "exclusive" mont kiara?
What about ampang? Bangsar? kd?



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Bro, if you going to argue, please argue within my context.

I said the hub of subang jaya, meaning, ss16, 15, 17 and 14.

I did not think ss19 is the hub of sj, much less batu tiga.

If you even bother to check before posting, you would know that batu tiga is nowhere in subang jaya, ever.

It is like saying selayang is mont kiara.

Try harder bro.
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look into your posting lah dude let me bold it for you to see, open your eye wide wide lahh....


Dude, there isn't enough land in SJ to build more condos like in MK already, which seem like popping out a project for 600 units per year in that area....

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look into your posting lah dude let me bold it for you to see, open your eye wide wide lahh....
Dude, there isn't enough land in SJ to build more condos like in MK already, which seem like popping out a project for 600 units per year in that area....
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Dude, google SJCC and study the map.

It is the last patch of prime land left on this side of subang jaya.

Sime darby have to go through a hell of local residents objections just to develop it.


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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 16 2013, 06:57 PM)
you answer your own question, a place with abundance of land like SJ charging 800 psf and a place that is scarce of land charging 900psf which one you think is more justified talking about incapability of logic thinking..............the analogy of Seiko watch at 30K and AP watch at 35K is there for you to think logically ....
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Nevermind dude, once you vested in someplace, you will stick to it and defend like a leech.

What can I say, enjoy your stagnating mk condos lor... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 16 2013, 06:59 PM)
Err, people that would pay around 2k easily, and plenty of them looking for decent accomodation?

Hiw's the rental market in mk....can you honestly find your expats all clamouring to live in your "exclusive" mont kiara?
What about ampang? Bangsar? kd?
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2K out of approx 450K investment!!!!! 5.3%, I am getting average 7.5% rental return for my investment in MK and I dont even think that is good enough

My God and you said your return is all good ?? What happen to you man?? ohmy.gif ohmy.gif




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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 16 2013, 07:06 PM)
2K out of approx 450K investment!!!!! 5.3%, I am getting average 7.5% rental return for my investment in MK and I dont even think that is good enough

My God and you said your return is all good ?? What happen to you man??  ohmy.gif  ohmy.gif
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Well, then I curse my inability to buy the prop when it was first launched back in 2006. I only manage to buy it now.

Those condos then were sold at around 200k then, pigeon hole sized mind you.

I guess you bought your props like 4-5 years ago.

So just because you came to the party early and I came to the party late doesn't make mk better.
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 16 2013, 07:03 PM)
Nevermind dude, once you vested in someplace, you will stick to it and defend like a leech.

What can I say, enjoy your stagnating mk condos lor...  biggrin.gif
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I feel sorry for you man, living in SJ for to long fail to see there is a greener side of the world, suggest for you to take your family for jalan-jalan in Klang Valley drop by at MK for a look and drop by at Mont Kiara Solaris or Publika for a look broaden your mind a bit dont be so close up there are so many places much better than SJ, like Bangsar, TTDI, DPC, KLCC and etc.... seriously dude 5 % investment return is nothing to shout about... seriously I am thiking maybe you got 10% return yield for you to talk so loud...
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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 16 2013, 07:17 PM)
I feel sorry for you man, living in SJ for to long fail to see there is a greener side of the world, suggest for you to take your family for jalan-jalan in Klang Valley drop by at MK for a look and drop by at Mont Kiara Solaris or Publika for a look broaden your mind a bit dont be so close up there are so many places much better than SJ, like Bangsar, TTDI, DPC, KLCC and etc.... seriously dude 5 % investment return is nothing to shout about... seriously I am thiking maybe you got 10% return yield for you to talk so loud...
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There you go assuming and putting words into people's mouth.

Mk may be a good place to live. I don't think it is a good place to invest, that's all.

All this dark windows in mk condos at night scares me.

But hey, go and buy a unit if you want... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 16 2013, 07:15 PM)
Well, then I curse my inability to buy the prop when it was first launched back in 2006. I only manage to buy it now.

Those condos then were sold at around 200k then, pigeon hole sized mind you.

I guess you bought your props like 4-5 years ago.

So just because you came to the party early and I came to the party late doesn't make mk better.
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mind you .....those who coming early into MK will not get 7.5% they are getting more than 10% and I am not exegerating , the quality if tenant we are getting are superb, place are well maintained everytime the tenant change not much to be done..... imaging if you were to rent it out to student...goodness .. i dont want to talk about my past experience buying a cheap place and rent it out to student.... terrible experience...anyway something for you to learn young man....
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 16 2013, 07:27 PM)
There you go assuming and putting words into people's mouth.

Mk may be a good place to live. I don't think it is a good place to invest, that's all.

All this dark windows in mk condos at night scares me.

But hey, go and buy a unit if you want... biggrin.gif
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i already did and few units for your info but I will buy more if I could, waiting for motivated sellelr but it's hard to come by for some good unit...
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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 16 2013, 07:17 PM)
I feel sorry for you man, living in SJ for to long fail to see there is a greener side of the world, suggest for you to take your family for jalan-jalan in Klang Valley drop by at MK for a look and drop by at Mont Kiara Solaris or Publika for a look broaden your mind a bit dont be so close up there are so many places much better than SJ, like Bangsar, TTDI, DPC, KLCC and etc.... seriously dude 5 % investment return is nothing to shout about... seriously I am thiking maybe you got 10% return yield for you to talk so loud...
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+1

but not in the harsh way la... sweat.gif

Over supplied in MK are for those big sizes as of now...try speak to agents and see....Msian are moving into MK to stay now becoz the psf is so low compare with sj, bukit jalil and KD ! if you say MK price are stagnant, means you seriously don't know the supply and demand in MK nowadays...=) Try to imagine, which part of Msia can a 18 years old condo price increased 200k after refurbishment 2 yrs ago and price is still increasing and hardly can find stock in mkt to purchase ? If it's not becoz of the good rental yield and investors willing to pay the sinking funds by collecting high rental from the expatriate, these condos already became part of your "over supplied" condos lo.... thumbup.gif Cheers...just sharing...not hard feeling...and I do agree the Seiko and AP watch theory... doh.gif thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Subsix @ Apr 16 2013, 07:38 PM)
+1

but not in the harsh way la... sweat.gif

Over supplied in MK are for those big sizes as of now...try speak to agents and see....Msian are moving into MK to stay now becoz the psf is so low compare with sj, bukit jalil and KD ! if you say MK price are stagnant, means you seriously don't know the supply and demand in MK nowadays...=) Try to imagine, which part of Msia can a 18 years old condo price increased 200k after refurbishment 2 yrs ago and price is still increasing and hardly can find stock in mkt to purchase ? If it's not becoz of the good rental yield and investors willing to pay the sinking funds by collecting high rental from the expatriate, these condos already became part of your "over supplied" condos lo.... thumbup.gif  Cheers...just sharing...not hard feeling...and I do agree the Seiko and AP watch theory... doh.gif  thumbup.gif
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I think it's hard for agent specialized in MK when there are some people that are false infor that MK is experiencing chronic oversupply, naturally tenant will come in with the sharpened parang in their hand and ready ready to slash slash slash but to their surprise the landlord is not willing to rent at their asking price.... so a rude awakening for some potential tenant that believed many false info about Mont Kiara... I feel for the agent too.. salute to all the agent in MK. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 16 2013, 02:47 PM)
Wrong, about 650 psf.

Also, casa tiara is close the 2 successful malls, Subang Parade, Empire and 1 hypermarket. So it is very convinient

SJCC and kencana will add to its value, along with the LRT, Komuter within walking distance and BRT links it will be better connected than MK.

Secondly, subang jaya's hub, namely SS15, 16, 17 has only 6 condos plus one office converted into condo that only supply less than 1800 units in that hub, catering to students and middle to upperclass workers. Subang Jaya is mainly DST or SST houses.

casa tiara alone has 3 colleges within walking distance, and another 3 more connected by public transport.

For investment sake, rental is 95% guareenteed and rental yield way above average.

Compared to MK, which has too many condos all chasing expats and upper class malaysians with no mass transport in the short term, it is a better bet.

As for congestion....MK is quite congested too...especially since it doesn't even have rail at all for now...
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Disagree. I stay in MK. Traffic not as bad as you mentioned. I used to stay in usj. Love it in MK
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QUOTE(samuelazz @ Apr 16 2013, 08:05 PM)
Disagree. I stay in MK. Traffic not as bad as you mentioned. I used to stay in usj. Love it in MK
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Hahaha! Another kaki in the house. But to be fair, traffic in SJ is much better these days with the completion of the NPE flyover a few years ago. Nice food can be found within the vicinity too.

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let's take a simple hypothethical example to see which location will triumph

if one intends to invest (not own stay) in $1mil new freehold condo in MK or SJ or BK and say options limited to Pavillion MK, SJCC Subang and V condo Bdr Kinrara , which will give better rental and capital returns?

assume 1mil-1.1mil can only get the following:

1) Pavillion in MK- 1 unit of 1200sf at 900psf, good location for expats and locals who are rich with 1 or no child

2) SJCC in SS16 (launching in Q3) - 1 unit of 1200sf@800psf or 2 units of 600sf @900psf, good location next to LRT/KTM and malls. suitable for rich students, local medium/high income working group or retirees

3) V condo in BK (launching in Q2) - 3 units of 600sf @ 600psf, good location next to LRT and mall. suitable for local medium income and small families/working couples/single or retirees

most investors focus a lot on rentability and saleability. In other words, the condo must be fluid and easier to rent or flip.

If i were to choose, my priority of choice will be:
1st - V condo BK
2nd - SJCC SJ
3rd - Pavillion MK

just my worthless cents. Different ppl different criteria and one size does not fit all.
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QUOTE(Rusby @ Apr 16 2013, 08:13 PM)
Hahaha! Another kaki in the house. But to be fair, traffic in SJ is much better these days with the completion of the NPE flyover a few years ago. Nice food can be found within the vicinity too.

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hahaha another SJ kaki, I think mont kiara supporters will loose for SJ population is so much higher than MK...
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 16 2013, 08:45 PM)
let's take a simple hypothethical example to see which location will triumph

if one intends to invest (not own stay) in $1mil new freehold condo in MK or SJ or BK and say options limited to Pavillion MK, SJCC Subang and V condo Bdr Kinrara , which will give better rental and capital returns?

assume 1mil-1.1mil can only get the following:

1) Pavillion in MK- 1 unit of 1200sf at 900psf, good location for expats and locals who are rich with 1 or no child

2) SJCC in SS16 (launching in Q3) - 1 unit of 1200sf@800psf or 2 units of 600sf @900psf, good location next to LRT/KTM and malls. suitable for rich students, local medium/high income working group or retirees

3) V condo in BK (launching in Q2) - 3 units of 600sf @ 600psf, good location next to LRT and mall. suitable for local medium income and small families/working couples/single or retirees

most investors focus a lot on rentability and saleability. In other words, the condo must be fluid and easier to rent or flip.

If i were to choose, my priority of choice will be:
1st - V condo BK
2nd - SJCC SJ
3rd - Pavillion MK

just my worthless cents. Different ppl different criteria and one size does not fit all.
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Good analogy doh.gif the property developer of SJCC must had done a lot of brain-washing in you to justify 900 psf is a better investment compare to MK. thumbup.gif
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Good analogy doh.gif  the property developer of SJCC must had done a lot of brain-washing in you to justify 900 psf is a better investment compare to MK.  thumbup.gif
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Suitable for rich student............... rclxms.gif rclxms.gif May I know which rich student who could afford to study in UK or USA university would choose to come to thier Malaysian campus to study? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 16 2013, 08:57 PM)
Suitable for rich student............... rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  May I know which rich student who could afford to study in UK or USA university  would choose to come to thier Malaysian campus to study?  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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using your logic, may i know which rich investor who could afford to invest in cheaper and branded i-Tiffani next to Pavillion MK would choose to come to buy Pavillion. See the light or still blur blur seeing stars..... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 16 2013, 08:57 PM)
Suitable for rich student............... rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  May I know which rich student who could afford to study in UK or USA university  would choose to come to thier Malaysian campus to study?  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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Yeah, perhaps the comparisons are a bit out of place. What bout property financing? 3rd property LTV? Can't be buying cash rite? I guess it's just too subjective though I'm still neutral on both locations. Well, at the end of the day it's just a discussion. Good to have multiple inputs. We'll just have to do more research and decide ourselves. Cheers

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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 16 2013, 08:57 PM)
Suitable for rich student............... rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  May I know which rich student who could afford to study in UK or USA university  would choose to come to thier Malaysian campus to study?  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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Mont kiara is different it is not about students, it's about expats coming in for a lucrative job offer from the O&G sectors especially those tie in with Petronas and MK is full of those expats mostly are fortune 500 companies like Abott Group, Slumberger, others non-500 but big corporation like Scomi, Sapura kencana, trust me they have a budget given for accomodation better than many many other industries, and yes better than so called "rich" student. I personally rented out my units for many tenants O&G sectors and they will take care of your place like their own because they are tied in with their company and we sign with the company and not with individuals like students....

With that I give you another insight of Mont Kiara thatoutsider cannot see they only know so little but claim to know it all and young man... you should be paying me to learn this .....
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using your logic, may i know which rich investor who could afford to invest in cheaper and branded i-Tiffani next to Pavillion MK would choose to come to buy Pavillion. See the light or still blur blur seeing stars..... whistling.gif
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hahahaha young man you post as a coy to PM me and ask about which property I think is good, I know it is you and told you that Tifani knowing that you will post something about I-Tifani to attack me, yes you took my bait , why you want to set up different account to check on people, I will not let you know which property I bought and let me tell you almost all the property in Mont Kiara now is a bargain you can buy with your eyes close at least the rental market is there and the capital appreciation will be your bonus..
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i dont think student will be the major tenant population for SJCC. Viewing the central location next to LRT/KTM tpt hub and walking distance to so many malls along Subang Jaya golden mile, SJCC will be very appealing to many local SJ/USJ diehard aunties, uncles, ah kong and ah ma due to superb convenience, condo security and 1st class accessibility. Take a good look at the tenant profile and occupancy at Saujana Residency and one will see the light.
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i dont think student will be the major tenant population for SJCC. Viewing the central location next to LRT/KTM tpt hub and walking distance to so many malls along Subang Jaya golden mile, SJCC will be very appealing to many local SJ/USJ diehard aunties, uncles, ah kong and ah ma due to superb convenience, condo security and 1st class accessibility. Take a good look at the tenant profile and occupancy at Saujana Residency and one will see the light.
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Are you ridiculing SJCC or you are complimenting SJCC? Ah Kong Ah Ma , Uncle and aunties, more like a old folks home to me than residential area..............
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hahahaha young man you post as a coy to PM me and ask about which property I think is good, I know it is you and told you that Tifani knowing that you will post something about I-Tifani to attack me, yes you took my bait , why you want to set up different account to check on people, I will not let you know which property I bought and let me tell you almost all the property in Mont Kiara now is a bargain you can buy with your eyes close at least the rental market is there and the capital appreciation will be your bonus..
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i sent a PM to bait you? Gosh, you really need to take it a bit easy as i do not have time to play game.

calling me young man...haha...i must buy you coffee. I cld be older than you as i started property investment 20 yrs ago. In fact, i shld thank you for your undivided support to promote MK as my portfolio also included MK. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 16 2013, 07:28 PM)
mind you .....those who coming early into MK will not get 7.5% they are getting more than 10% and I am not exegerating , the quality if tenant we are getting are superb, place are well maintained everytime the tenant change not much to be done..... imaging if you were to rent it out to student...goodness .. i dont want to talk about my past experience buying a cheap place and rent it out to student.... terrible experience...anyway something for you to learn young man....
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Firstly, who says I will be renting to students? biggrin.gif And that place only attract students? biggrin.gif

And I just love it that you think at I am eager to hear your experiences....

You like to assume a lot of things, old man. biggrin.gif

Secondly, renting to students is better than leaving it vacant when you can't find those posh expats you need like many of your fellow investors in mk lately too old man...hence the price in mk is stagnant. biggrin.gif

Thirdly, I believe if you buy at almost any place say 5 years ago the yield will be 7.5% or more. How do I know, because I bought a crappy apartment in kinrara (my first prop that I could afford to invest then) at 2011 and it is currently giving that number with my current tenant, higher if I choose to find another, but I choose to keep because she is a reliable tenant.




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Are you ridiculing SJCC or you are complimenting SJCC? Ah Kong Ah Ma , Uncle and  aunties, more like a  old folks home  to me than residential area..............
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again i was wasting my time again here.....sigh!
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i sent a PM to bait you? Gosh, you really need to take it a bit easy as i do not have time to play game.

calling me young man...haha...i must buy you coffee. I cld be older than you as i started property investment 20 yrs ago. In fact, i shld thank you for your undivided support to promote MK as my portfolio also included MK.  thumbup.gif
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Firstly, who says I will be renting to students? biggrin.gif And that place only attract students? biggrin.gif

And I just love it that you think at I am eager to hear your experiences....

You like to assume a lot of things, old man.  biggrin.gif

Secondly, renting to students is better than leaving it vacant when you can't find those posh expats you need like many of your fellow investors in mk lately too old man...hence the price in mk is stagnant.  biggrin.gif

Thirdly, I believe if you buy at almost any place say 5 years ago the yield will be 7.5% or more. How do I know, because I bought a crappy apartment in kinrara (my first prop that I could afford to invest then) at 2011 and it is currently giving that number with my current tenant, higher if I choose to find another, but I choose to keep because she is a reliable tenant.
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i already did and few units for your  info but I will buy more if I could, waiting for motivated sellelr but it's hard to come by for some good unit...
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Aiyoh ah pak, if you have a fetish for mk props and die die also must buy there go buy lah,

You need my blessings in order for you to invest izzit? biggrin.gif

Seriously, a guy thinks that sj is a better place to invest you think that he has peed on his mother's grave already.... biggrin.gif

You farneylah uncle... biggrin.gif
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again i was wasting my time again here.....sigh!
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I think you should retire as you said you would and keep your word....
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I think you should retire as you said you would and keep your word....
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Disagree. I stay in MK. Traffic not as bad as you mentioned. I used to stay in usj. Love it in MK
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Good. But I buy to invest, not to stay.... biggrin.gif
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Aiyoh ah pak, if you have a fetish for mk props and die die also must buy there go buy lah,

You need my blessings in order for you to invest izzit? biggrin.gif

Seriously, a guy thinks that sj is a better place to invest you think that he has peed on his mother's grave already.... biggrin.gif

You farneylah uncle... biggrin.gif
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I think you come into this MK thread with a motive that is to talk about Subang Jaya, I think instead you should create aother thread and talk about how great Subang Jaya is and dont come into MK thread to force ppl to agree SJ is better investment than MK...sorry to tell you I just cannot agree with the lack of logic given.

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i only bid farewelll to your twin brother and not this thread lah  tongue.gif
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+1

but not in the harsh way la... sweat.gif

Over supplied in MK are for those big sizes as of now...try speak to agents and see....Msian are moving into MK to stay now becoz the psf is so low compare with sj, bukit jalil and KD ! if you say MK price are stagnant, means you seriously don't know the supply and demand in MK nowadays...=) Try to imagine, which part of Msia can a 18 years old condo price increased 200k after refurbishment 2 yrs ago and price is still increasing and hardly can find stock in mkt to purchase ? If it's not becoz of the good rental yield and investors willing to pay the sinking funds by collecting high rental from the expatriate, these condos already became part of your "over supplied" condos lo.... thumbup.gif  Cheers...just sharing...not hard feeling...and I do agree the Seiko and AP watch theory... doh.gif  thumbup.gif
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Okay lor...so why all this butthurt over a guy saying that mk is not that good compared to other areas? biggrin.gif

Why, mk is your holy ground that you must defend to death is it?

Seriously, I never said mk is a bad place to live. Hell, I might even retire there one day when I could afford it.

I just won't buy it now in order to rent it out, which is the game I am playing in prop investment... biggrin.gif
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Whoever disagree with you is my twin and can I say whoever agree withyou are also your "twin"?
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eh eh i thot you can check IP address mah....sure you know the so called "twin" of mine have different IPs
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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 16 2013, 09:36 PM)
I think you come into this MK thread with a motive that is to talk about Subang Jaya, I think instead you should create aother thread and talk about how great Subang Jaya is and dont come into MK thread to force ppl to agree SJ is better investment than MK...sorry to tell you I just cannot apprehend the logic given.
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Ah pak, this is your grand pa's forum izzit ? biggrin.gif

This thread belong's to your papa izzit? biggrin.gif

I just mention god knows how many replies and post ago that I prefer sj you go out machine guns blazing on how I am wrong.

So I defend my statement lah.

Seriously dude, get a life. Don't act as if you belong to some cult worshipping Mk lah... biggrin.gif

Scary lah uncle.... biggrin.gif
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Aiyoh ah pak, if you have a fetish for mk props and die die also must buy there go buy lah,

You need my blessings in order for you to invest izzit? biggrin.gif

Seriously, a guy thinks that sj is a better place to invest you think that he has peed on his mother's grave already.... biggrin.gif

You farneylah uncle... biggrin.gif
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the ah pek shld be a well paid promoter and not a buyer.... LOLzz
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eh eh i thot you can check IP address mah....sure you know the so called "twin" of mine have different IPs
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I have people to do it if I want but just dont force me, i can trace until your living room if I want
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QUOTE(Rusby @ Apr 16 2013, 08:13 PM)
Hahaha! Another kaki in the house. But to be fair, traffic in SJ is much better these days with the completion of the NPE flyover a few years ago. Nice food can be found within the vicinity too.

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Sj is better compared to usj. especially at the summit junction.

But no kidding, it is bad.

But I notice something wierd about Malaysians. The more jam the place, the more in demand the props there and the more "Ong". Puchong is horrendous, but there are demand for props there.

Wonder why? hmm.gif
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I have people to do it if I want but just dont force me, i can trace until your living room if I want
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it is a threat? what would your prospects think if they read this post? will they still believe what you said?
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 16 2013, 08:45 PM)
let's take a simple hypothethical example to see which location will triumph

if one intends to invest (not own stay) in $1mil new freehold condo in MK or SJ or BK and say options limited to Pavillion MK, SJCC Subang and V condo Bdr Kinrara , which will give better rental and capital returns?

assume 1mil-1.1mil can only get the following:

1) Pavillion in MK- 1 unit of 1200sf at 900psf, good location for expats and locals who are rich with 1 or no child

2) SJCC in SS16 (launching in Q3) - 1 unit of 1200sf@800psf or 2 units of 600sf @900psf, good location next to LRT/KTM and malls. suitable for rich students, local medium/high income working group or retirees

3) V condo in BK (launching in Q2) - 3 units of 600sf @ 600psf, good location next to LRT and mall. suitable for local medium income and small families/working couples/single or retirees

most investors focus a lot on rentability and saleability. In other words, the condo must be fluid and easier to rent or flip.

If i were to choose, my priority of choice will be:
1st - V condo BK
2nd - SJCC SJ
3rd - Pavillion MK

just my worthless cents. Different ppl different criteria and one size does not fit all.
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I think SJCC will likely sell more sohos at around 600-700 sq feet only. Not much land there to make big units plus a retail centre plus office blocks....
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I have people to do it if I want but just dont force me, i can trace until your living room if I want
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Chill uncle chill...just because someone said mk not so good only doesn't mean that you have to stalk a guy.... biggrin.gif unless you like guys lah..oh course... biggrin.gif
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I think SJCC will likely sell more sohos at around 600-700 sq feet only. Not much land there to make big units plus a retail centre plus office blocks....
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That what i thot as well. I think it will be BBB when SJCC is launched. The LRT/KTM factor is a USP plus nearby matured amenities.
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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 16 2013, 08:57 PM)
Suitable for rich student............... rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  May I know which rich student who could afford to study in UK or USA university  would choose to come to thier Malaysian campus to study?  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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Dude, there are many rich students in subang that choose to study here instead of us or uk. You obviously haven't been to Taylor's college or inti college nowadays... biggrin.gif
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That what i thot as well. I think it will be BBB when SJCC is launched. The LRT/KTM factor is a USP plus nearby matured amenities.
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Yep, last piece of prime land in sj. And I hope Sime Darby's plan to make ss16 sj's CBD and transport hub comes true...
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Dude, there are many rich students in subang that choose to study here instead of us or uk. You obviously haven't been to Taylor's college or inti college nowadays... biggrin.gif
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Smart analogy a "rich student" cannot afford to buy a 400k aprtment and need to rent it from you???
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Chill uncle chill...just because someone said mk not so good only doesn't mean that you have to stalk a guy.... biggrin.gif unless you like guys lah..oh course... biggrin.gif
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you accuse me of being gay now, what else you guys are capable of other than coming in to crush a forum....

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Smart analogy a "rich student" cannot afford to buy a 400k aprtment and need to rent it from you???
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Ah pak...they are studentslah, some of them are not going to stay in Malaysialah, much less in sj.

Students are what we call transient population lah, they move on once their studies is done. biggrin.gif

Aiyoh, uncle, are you sure you know how to invest in props that you don't know what students do... biggrin.gif
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Aiyoh ah pak, if you have a fetish for mk props and die die also must buy there go buy lah,

You need my blessings in order for you to invest izzit? biggrin.gif

Seriously, a guy thinks that sj is a better place to invest you think that he has peed on his mother's grave already.... biggrin.gif

You farneylah uncle... biggrin.gif
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is not that die die i must buy MK it's die die also I cannot beleive that Subang Jaya is a good buy at Rm 800 psf
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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 16 2013, 10:08 PM)
is not that die die i must buy MK it's die die also I cannot beleive that Subang Jaya is a good buy at Rm 800 psf
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You are correct. I bought mine at 660 psf and I am sweating bullets already...

But then again, I won't buy anything at 800psf at anywhere if I could help it...including your mk...
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Ah pak...they are studentslah, some of them are not going to stay in Malaysialah, much less in sj.

Students are what we call transient population lah, they move on once their studies is done. biggrin.gif

Aiyoh, uncle, are you sure you know how to invest in props that you don't know what students do... biggrin.gif
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OIC ... the "rich student" from Algeria, Uganda , Iran, getting to learn about how property at the lower value -chain being rent out to justified the high cost psf price.
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 16 2013, 10:10 PM)
You are correct. I bought mine at 660 psf and I am sweating bullets already...

But then again, I won't buy anything at 800psf at anywhere if I could help it...including your mk...
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Mk is not your league young man, is like playing football, if I were to promote you to play all the English Premier League footballer , sure people will look at you funny .

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OIC ... the "rich student" from Algeria, Uganda , Iran, getting to learn about how property at the lower value -chain being rent out to justified the high cost psf price.
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uncle, do you know that many MEs are staying in Pavillion Residence....using your logic here, Pavillion Residence also a lousy condo??
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OIC ... the "rich student" from Algeria, Uganda , Iran, getting to learn about how property at the lower value -chain being rent out to justified the high cost psf price.
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If they can pay the price like you expats then they are rich lor...

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uncle, do you know that many MEs are staying in Pavillion Residence....using your logic here, Pavillion Residence also a lousy condo??
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Log in and log out under different name is very tiring leh for you so just stick to one name and square off with me
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uncle, do you know that many MEs are staying in Pavillion Residence....using your logic here, Pavillion Residence also a lousy condo??
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Thatis Pavilion Residence none of my business if they have a cannibals staying inside, I dont even care .... I am talking about Mont Kiara stay in the topic...

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Mk is not your league young man, is like playing football, if I were to promote you to play all the English Premier League footballer , sure people will look at you funny .
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Well, I leave you at your premier league games then. biggrin.gif

I do hope you Enjoy staring at your vacant condos though while looking for your perfect tenants... biggrin.gif
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If they can pay the price like you expats then they are rich lor...

I don't discriminate where I get my money from...so long as I get it.  biggrin.gif
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Yalor different league after all, for us landlord in Mont Kiara we see the quality of the tenant, we interview them and we scrutinize their background, as I say you guys just in for the money as long as a USD syndicate criminal come in to stay in your place you will not also mind as long they pays...

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Log in and log out under different name is very tiring leh for  you so just stick to one name and square off with me
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haha...your imagination is unbelievable.

i think i have had enough. good nite!

the readers here can judge the credibility of a person who hard sell a new project in mk but not able to defend well with facts and logic but adopting fear tactic like politicians in bolehland
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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 16 2013, 10:23 PM)
Yalor different league after all, for us landlord in Mont Kiara we see the quality of the tenant, we interview  them and we scrutinize  their background, as I say you guys just in for the money as long as a USD syndicate criminal come in to stay in your place you will not also mind as long they pays...
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Oklor ah pak...i hope enjoy interviewing all those "tenants" that is standing in line, all begging to rent that wonderful and marvelous place call mk lor... biggrin.gif

Anyway, I got rent to collect next month...
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haha...your imagination is unbelievable.

i think i have had enough. good nite!

the readers here can judge the credibility of a person who hard sell a new project in mk but not able to defend well with facts and logic but adopting fear tactic like politicians in bolehland
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ohh singing off so quick , this old man can stay whole night debating with you, wow doing his signiture political speech before signing off..... this lowyat forums is becoming like a wet market...ppl talking about anything and does not stay to the topic and "jaywalking" from thread to thread to earn the stars as they go....

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Oklor ah pak...i hope enjoy interviewing all those "tenants" that is standing in line, all begging to rent that wonderful and marvelous place call mk lor... biggrin.gif

Anyway, I got rent to collect next month...
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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 16 2013, 10:29 PM)
heh i hope you dont sign off too, your twin just sign off
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Haha...you funnilar ah pak...

Been really entertaining sparring with you... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 16 2013, 10:31 PM)
Haha...you funnilar ah pak...

Been really entertaining sparring with you... biggrin.gif
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ohh you scared me , thought you sign off, we should talk whole nigh tonite what you say?

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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 16 2013, 10:26 PM)
ohh singing off so quick , this old man can stay whole night debating with you, wow doing his signiture political speech before signing off..... this lowyat forums is becoming like a wet market...ppl talking about anything and does not stay to the popic and "jaywalking" from thread to thread to eran the stars they want so much....
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old man want threesome huh? can tahan boh? why so work up and hard sell?

get a life by sipping a nice coffee, smelling the flower and lighting a ciggie.

life is wonderful, isn't it?
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 16 2013, 10:33 PM)
old man want threesome huh? can tahan boh? why so work up and hard sell?

get a life by sipping a nice coffee, smelling the flower and lighting a ciggie. 

life is wonderful, isn't it?
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wah talking dirty now, shocking.gif shocking.gif
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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 16 2013, 10:34 PM)
wah talking dirty now,  shocking.gif  shocking.gif
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cant sleep tonite yes thniking of your suggestion taking a coffee, puff a ciggie or maybe take a cheese cake, looking at the KLCC skyline at night wonderfull and not forget debating with you guys... ahhhhh wonderful life indeed

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wah talking dirty now,  shocking.gif  shocking.gif
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my last post to you. may the force be with you.

hope you will reincarnate into new nick tomorrow and hide behind the nick again continuing hard selling
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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 16 2013, 10:31 PM)
ohh you scared me , thought you sign off, we should talk whole nigh tonite what you say?
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Well, too bad you are an old ah pak and not a cun hot chick.

Anyway, I don't like to talk to old men long, long...afterwards people think I am into men... biggrin.gif

So sorry ah pak...last post. No more time to layan you.

Go buy some more mk units ok? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 16 2013, 10:37 PM)
my last post to you. may the force be with you.

hope you will reincarnate into new nick tomorrow and hide behind the nick again continuing hard selling
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I am not like you .. say that will never come back from your after life but reincarnate and come back with your twin.
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 16 2013, 10:37 PM)
Well, too bad you are an old ah pak and not a cun hot chick.

Anyway, I don't like to talk to old men long, long...afterwards people think I am into men... biggrin.gif

So sorry ah pak...last post. No more time to layan you.

Go buy some more mk units ok? biggrin.gif
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wah no coincidence these 2 are twins log in and log out at the same time....
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 16 2013, 10:37 PM)
Well, too bad you are an old ah pak and not a cun hot chick.

Anyway, I don't like to talk to old men long, long...afterwards people think I am into men... biggrin.gif

So sorry ah pak...last post. No more time to layan you.

Go buy some more mk units ok? biggrin.gif
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wah no coincidence these 2 are twins log in and log out at the same time....I think they have earn enough stars for today and time to go home to zzzzzz.
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This is a proof that this forum is full of forum crashers ... that person will come back again tomorrow fully loaded to blast again in this thread....
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Wah liao. Why in this forum people love to argue so much one. Worse than politics forum haha. I war with people in the office all day to cut cost now come here war again beh tahan le. Peace guys. laugh.gif


QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 16 2013, 08:45 PM)
let's take a simple hypothethical example to see which location will triumph

if one intends to invest (not own stay) in $1mil new freehold condo in MK or SJ or BK and say options limited to Pavillion MK, SJCC Subang and V condo Bdr Kinrara , which will give better rental and capital returns?

assume 1mil-1.1mil can only get the following:

1) Pavillion in MK- 1 unit of 1200sf at 900psf, good location for expats and locals who are rich with 1 or no child

2) SJCC in SS16 (launching in Q3) - 1 unit of 1200sf@800psf or 2 units of 600sf @900psf, good location next to LRT/KTM and malls. suitable for rich students, local medium/high income working group or retirees

3) V condo in BK (launching in Q2) - 3 units of 600sf @ 600psf, good location next to LRT and mall. suitable for local medium income and small families/working couples/single or retirees

most investors focus a lot on rentability and saleability. In other words, the condo must be fluid and easier to rent or flip.

If i were to choose, my priority of choice will be:
1st - V condo BK
2nd - SJCC SJ
3rd - Pavillion MK

just my worthless cents. Different ppl different criteria and one size does not fit all.
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If I have RM1m, I sure as hell won't buy property. So overpriced.

Forced to buy? OK la, I buy a terrace in TTDI or two 1-storeys in SS4/SS5, reno and see if got chance to flip for a decent return.

Gun to head need to choose between 1, 2 and 3? Let me go check off one by one starting with the worst choice.

(3). Whoever buy this needs their head examined. Paying 600psf for BK, a chicken coop house as well - are you serious? Now, instead of spreading out your 1m instead buying THREE units, maximizing the risk profile. So far as LRT and mall, they are dime a dozen nowadays - there's no guarantee your mall won't turn into the non-value adding SS2 Mall, Ampwalk or Phoenix Plaza rather than a Tropicana City or BSC.

(2) Again buying 600sf place. Seriously, Malaysia and KL has a lot of land. This is not Sillypore where one can feel like the king of a castle in a 800sf place. At RM560k per unit you need to be renting this place out at the eye-watering sum of RM2.5k a month for a tiny hovel which is fit for at best two people to get a 5% return. Feasible? You decide.

(1) I would choose this if left with no option. In MK, I can be sure that my tenants will be locals or expats. Buying a 900sf place, yeah its not that big but at least suitable for a small family. I can be sure I will always attract only a certain desirable class of tenant.
What's more, with holding power I can always drop my rents to match the ones at SJ or BK - will I get negative cashflow? Maybe, but with a larger floor I know that this property is always more desireable than the other two options, whether in good or bad times. Of course, buying this unit won't be without risk but guess what, its more manageable than the other two which are high risk plays IMO.
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 16 2013, 10:17 PM)
If they can pay the price like you expats then they are rich lor...

I don't discriminate where I get my money from...so long as I get it.  biggrin.gif
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If I'm not wrong you only have 1 prop right - goodyear court. And is tenanted by a great tenant - one in a million type.

As much as I respect your views you should be less dismissive about undesireable tenant.

Trust me, being a prop owner and having a family that owns a half dozen of tenanted property (me and my parents total together), one undesireable tenant can give you so much headache and loss to cancel out all the good that ten good tenants can do.

And worse of the worse? "Foreign Student"....seriously. I rather rent to a local even if it means I only get 30% below what the pak hitam offer...
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If I'm not wrong you only have 1 prop right - goodyear court. And is tenanted by a great tenant - one in a million type.

As much as I respect your views you should be less dismissive about undesireable tenant.

Trust me, being a prop owner and having a family that owns a half dozen of tenanted property (me and my parents total together), one undesireable tenant can give you so much headache and loss to cancel out all the good that ten good tenants can do.

And worse of the worse? "Foreign Student"....seriously. I rather rent to a local even if it means I only get 30% below what the pak hitam offer...
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QUOTE(joeblows @ Apr 17 2013, 12:01 AM)
If I'm not wrong you only have 1 prop right - goodyear court. And is tenanted by a great tenant - one in a million type.

As much as I respect your views you should be less dismissive about undesireable tenant.

Trust me, being a prop owner and having a family that owns a half dozen of tenanted property (me and my parents total together), one undesireable tenant can give you so much headache and loss to cancel out all the good that ten good tenants can do.

And worse of the worse? "Foreign Student"....seriously. I rather rent to a local even if it means I only get 30% below what the pak hitam offer...
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Nope e-tiara.

Goodyear court is in usj.


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Wah liao. Why in this forum people love to argue so much one. Worse than politics forum haha. I war with people in the office all day to cut cost now come here war again beh tahan le. Peace guys.  laugh.gif
If I have RM1m, I sure as hell won't buy property. So overpriced.

Forced to buy? OK la, I buy a terrace in TTDI or two 1-storeys in SS4/SS5, reno and see if got chance to flip for a decent return.

Gun to head need to choose between 1, 2 and 3? Let me go check off one by one starting with the worst choice.

(3). Whoever buy this needs their head examined. Paying 600psf for BK, a chicken coop house as well - are you serious? Now, instead of spreading out your 1m instead buying THREE units, maximizing the risk profile. So far as LRT and mall, they are dime a dozen nowadays - there's no guarantee your mall won't turn into the non-value adding SS2 Mall, Ampwalk or Phoenix Plaza rather than a Tropicana City or BSC.

(2) Again buying 600sf place. Seriously, Malaysia and KL has a lot of land. This is not Sillypore where one can feel like the king of a castle in a 800sf place. At RM560k per unit you need to be renting this place out at the eye-watering sum of RM2.5k a month for a tiny hovel which is fit for at best two people to get a 5% return. Feasible? You decide.

(1) I would choose this if left with no option. In MK, I can be sure that my tenants will be locals or expats. Buying a 900sf place, yeah its not that big but at least suitable for a small family. I can be sure I will always attract only a certain desirable class of tenant.
What's more, with holding power I can always drop my rents to match the ones at SJ or BK - will I get negative cashflow? Maybe, but with a larger floor I know that this property is always more desireable than the other two options, whether in good or bad times. Of course, buying this unit won't be without risk but guess what, its more manageable than the other two which are high risk plays IMO.
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What is your opinion about setia walk?

Anyway, you are lucky to have entered the market early and while I cannot.

No one can see the future and where does the prop market goes.

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Nope e-tiara.

Goodyear court is in usj.
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Boss tot the e-tiara deal was called off???
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What is your opinion about setia walk?

Anyway, you are lucky to have entered the market early and while I cannot.

No one can see the future and where does the prop market goes.
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Setia Walk? If you believe in Puchong story there's potential, but the yield is too low for me.

I don't quite have too much faith in combined development, no doubt there's high potential but the risk is also high. For flip it's one thing - to buy and hold 15 years or so for payback.......its a different thing.

Enter the market early - that's my parents. I only have 1 unit (sold off 1120 already).

As for where prop market goes, you know my opinion. I'm down camp. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Apr 17 2013, 08:26 AM)
Boss tot the e-tiara deal was called off???
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Back on.

Free hold bumi lot can still process provided developer agree.

Checked with land office. No problem transferring to non bumi.
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QUOTE(joeblows @ Apr 17 2013, 08:27 AM)
Setia Walk? If you believe in Puchong story there's potential, but the yield is too low for me.

I don't quite have too much faith in combined development, no doubt there's high potential but the risk is also high. For flip it's one thing - to buy and hold 15 years or so for payback.......its a different thing.

Enter the market early - that's my parents. I only have 1 unit (sold off 1120 already).

As for where prop market goes, you know my opinion. I'm down camp.  laugh.gif
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Well, nowadays the yield is all damn low.

The alternative is to not to invest in props altogether.

Got one unit potentially below market selling price right now, at 530-540 psf, market rate appearantly is 570-600 psf for the 1000 psf.

Dunno want to get or not.

But I really liked the place. Sps did a good job making the commercial environment nice.
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Another debate about viability of mont Kiara. Done to death edi lah. Those vested here sure defend to death coz you're saying they made wrong decision or got poor insight. Those not vested sure say low occupancy lah, too pricey lah, better deal elsewhere lah, low yield lah.

If you cannot afford, or feel too expensive, just move on. Or if you wanna wait and think the property will crash, keep your money in bank or whatever. No need to keep provoking people with "your honest opinion" stuff.
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QUOTE(Minolta @ Apr 17 2013, 08:52 AM)
Another debate about viability of mont Kiara. Done to death edi lah. Those vested here sure defend to death coz you're saying they made wrong decision or got poor insight. Those not vested sure say low occupancy lah, too pricey lah, better deal elsewhere lah, low yield lah.

If you cannot afford, or feel too expensive, just move on. Or if you wanna wait and think the property will crash, keep your money in bank or whatever. No need to keep provoking people with "your honest opinion" stuff.
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Agree with you and one more thing is people fail to understand that there are few level of property play here,

1. High risk with high return (most are for lower income class of area where unit price is 200 to 300K (small size and not neccessary cheap in psf), low entry cost, DIBS - attract high flippers.

2. Medium risk with medium return ( most are medium income people and unit price is around 500K to 600K ( small to medium size) medium entry cost - attract some flippers


3. Low risk with medium return (most are high earners and unit price is above 1 mil) (medium to big sizes) high entry cost and attract minimal flippers

4. Low risk with low return (HNWI unit could be above 10 mil) big sizes and command status probably for own stay or as a throphy property and attract almost no flippers.

Mont Kiara belong to category 3 above and SJ belong to category 2 above, the clash here , medium income in category 2 started to argue about high entry cost rclxub.gif rclxub.gif c'mon you belong to category 2 why would you like to argue with people in category 3?


People in category 3 simply is not interested in buying 10 unit of medium cost aprtment in category 1 or 2 above due to the time and effort to managed them and get a 5% rental yield instead they prefer to buy 2 units of the condo that could yield at least 5% or more.


So stop argiung about Mont Kiara, we need to understand that it's different level of play for different people. Just like people in category 4 , i will not argue with them saying that they have no brain to buy into 30 mil property in Four Season Residence because I know yield for them is not important.

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QUOTE(Minolta @ Apr 17 2013, 08:52 AM)
Another debate about viability of mont Kiara. Done to death edi lah. Those vested here sure defend to death coz you're saying they made wrong decision or got poor insight. Those not vested sure say low occupancy lah, too pricey lah, better deal elsewhere lah, low yield lah.

If you cannot afford, or feel too expensive, just move on. Or if you wanna wait and think the property will crash, keep your money in bank or whatever. No need to keep provoking people with "your honest opinion" stuff.
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If cannot provoke people howlah to get free entertainment off the internet? biggrin.gif

You already paying TM money for the unifi fees, at least we have some fun provoking the uncle defending MK to death.... biggrin.gif

That's what forums are here wut... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 17 2013, 09:48 AM)
If cannot provoke people howlah to get free entertainment off the internet?  biggrin.gif

You already paying TM money for the unifi fees, at least we have some fun provoking the uncle defending MK to death.... biggrin.gif

That's what forums are here wut... biggrin.gif
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rclxms.gif Life if not fun defending all the time. Life is meaningful when sharing. So there is no wrong if sharing of other loc strenghts and weaknesses. But when come to defending due to vested reason, then its denial liao.

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Apr 17 2013, 10:55 AM)
rclxms.gif Life if not fun defending all the time. Life is meaningful when sharing. So there is no wrong if sharing of other loc strenghts and weaknesses. But when come to defending due to vested reason, then its denial liao.

Peace  icon_rolleyes.gif
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But it is fun poking at someone that is vested...man the reaction that you get for them to justify their purchase... biggrin.gif

All you have to do is to start saying "X is better than Y, in my opinion" or "I feel more comfortable investing in X", watch the fireworks go off.... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 17 2013, 10:57 AM)
But it is fun poking at someone that is vested...man the reaction that you get for them to justify their purchase... biggrin.gif

All you have to do is to start saying "X is better than Y, in my opinion" or "I feel more comfortable investing in X", watch the fireworks go off.... biggrin.gif
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Fuyooh.... Miss 2 day only got 8 pages of debating ya.... laugh.gif
So its jus like how u defend or justify your e-Tiara at 66xpsf also la? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 17 2013, 10:57 AM)
But it is fun poking at someone that is vested...man the reaction that you get for them to justify their purchase... biggrin.gif

All you have to do is to start saying "X is better than Y, in my opinion" or "I feel more comfortable investing in X", watch the fireworks go off.... biggrin.gif
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So in effect, you're a troll?

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Fuyooh.... Miss 2 day only got 8 pages of debating ya....  laugh.gif
So its jus like how u defend or justify your e-Tiara at 66xpsf also la?  tongue.gif
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Simple:

1. I can afford it.

2. 5.6% return...not great but then again, you tell me where I can get 7%-8% return on subsales nowadays. biggrin.gif

3. SJCC and Kecana Square future development in 2017.

4. only 6 other condos in the vicinity, I think supply max 2000 units in total in that area

5. Extremely easy to rent out based on its 5 year track record, mix of students, some expats and some working professional adults. 99% occupancy.

6. 3 very established private colleges within walking distance. 3 more within 30 min max driving or/public transport.

7. Vibrant middle level to upper level working class people to rent out

8. LRT, commuter, BRT and Sime Darby's Bus Hub plan for SJCC, right at the condo's doorstep, all integreted. LRT and commuter within 5 min walking distance

9. Direct access to Federal, NPE, Kesas and easy reach to LDP

10. 2 famous and successful malls plus 1 hypermarket within walking distance. 1 big one within 30 min drive away.

11. Next to the SS15 commercial center.

12. The best maintained of the 3 Tiaras, with the reputation of having the best tenants.

So tell me, does this justify my purchase of the 660 sf?




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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Apr 17 2013, 11:10 AM)
So in effect, you're a troll?
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 17 2013, 10:57 AM)
But it is fun poking at someone that is vested...man the reaction that you get for them to justify their purchase... biggrin.gif

All you have to do is to start saying "X is better than Y, in my opinion" or "I feel more comfortable investing in X", watch the fireworks go off.... biggrin.gif
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Relax bro, As I said before, to invest in mk, u need to familiar and understand MK.
For own stay, u need to try and experience here, u will love it especially for your kid
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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Apr 17 2013, 11:32 AM)
Relax bro, As I said before, to invest in mk, u need to familiar and understand MK.
For own stay, u need to try and experience here, u will love it especially for your kid
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Aiyoh, Mr Zuiko, I said many times already, I think MK is a good place to live already many times, in fact, thinking about retiring there one day if I could afford. There or Bangsar.

Just not comfortable investing for rental there mah.

Whylah you MK fellas got shoot like that to me kaw kaw... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Apr 17 2013, 11:09 AM)
Fuyooh.... Miss 2 day only got 8 pages of debating ya....  laugh.gif
So its jus like how u defend or justify your e-Tiara at 66xpsf also la?  tongue.gif
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He himself also said that he was sweating bullets after buying the property and still encourage people to jump into the property now, where is the logic, by jumping into the property now they can get the price 5 years ago??? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 17 2013, 11:39 AM)
He himself also said that he was sweating bullets after buying the property and still encourage people to jump into the property now, where is the logic, by jumping into the property now they can get the price 5 years ago???  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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Uncle, I invest based on the value, regardless of the price since I could not travel back in time.

Nevermind, go buy somemore MK props lah uncle.

You stick to MK, I stick to SJ.

Happy? biggrin.gif
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There should be a restriction in the number of new high rise projects in MK along Jln Kiara to Jln Duta Kiara but it's unlikely to happen. Everything can 'kowtim' which is the big problem in the property scene in our country. I'm sure even the MK owners here would like to see more landed properties in the vicinity.

Even Jln Kiara 5 with the Kiaramas condos, no sign of any landed deveopment.
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 17 2013, 11:41 AM)
Uncle, I invest based on the value, regardless of the price since I could not travel back in time.

Nevermind, go buy somemore MK props lah uncle.

You stick to MK, I stick to SJ.

Happy?  biggrin.gif
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I am very happy with Mont Kiara and would not consider other place because just with slippers I can walk to all my properties and it's easy to manage and the yield is there for me and the place is safe, for you you are happy with SJ, but try not to instill in people's mind that you know about mont kiara just because you heard from outside Mont Kiara is "oversupply", we are in Mont Kiara so we know better ...
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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 17 2013, 11:45 AM)
I am very happy with Mont Kiara and would not consider other place because just with slippers I can walk to all my properties and it's easy to manage and the yield is there for me and the place is safe, for you you are happy with SJ, but try not to instill in people's mind that you know about mont kiara just because you heard from outside Mont Kiara is "oversupply", we are in Mont Kiara so we know better ...
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when we reason with you about Monk Kiara you said we "die die want to defend MK" but when you defence SJ..for you it's reasonable.....everything sudah terbalik.... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 17 2013, 11:45 AM)
I am very happy with Mont Kiara and would not consider other place because just with slippers I can walk to all my properties and it's easy to manage and the yield is there for me and the place is safe, for you you are happy with SJ, but try not to instill in people's mind that you know about mont kiara just because you heard from outside Mont Kiara is "oversupply", we are in Mont Kiara so we know better ...
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Okaylar uncle...if makes you happy and content I say it lah:

"MK is the bestest place in Klang Valleylah, can even beat KLCC area want.

All expats all line up at your door take a number have a seat all willing to pay 10000 per month just to stay in your grand condo.

All MK toilet bowls made out of gold wan.

Birds don't chirp, the play out classical music in the morning.

Trees in MK don't grow leaves wan, but grow green in USD..."

Happy or not uncle? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 17 2013, 11:29 AM)
Simple:

1. I can afford it.

2. 5.6% return...not great but then again, you tell me where I can get 7%-8% return on subsales nowadays.  biggrin.gif

3. SJCC and Kecana Square future development in 2017.

4. only 6 other condos in the vicinity, I think supply max 2000 units in total in that area

5. Extremely easy to rent out based on its 5 year track record, mix of students, some expats and some working professional adults. 99% occupancy.

6. 3 very established private colleges within walking distance. 3 more within 30 min max driving or/public transport.

7. Vibrant middle level to upper level working class people to rent out

8. LRT, commuter, BRT and Sime Darby's Bus Hub plan for SJCC, right at the condo's doorstep, all integreted. LRT and commuter within 5 min walking distance

9. Direct access to Federal, NPE, Kesas and easy reach to LDP

10. 2 famous and successful malls plus 1 hypermarket within walking distance. 1 big one within 30 min drive away.

11. Next to the SS15 commercial center.

12. The best maintained of the 3 Tiaras, with the reputation of having the best tenants.

So tell me, does this justify my purchase of the 660 sf?
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There u go again..... tongue.gif
No time to entertain u these days.... Focusing on other market now.... tongue.gif Some others will still probably entertain u.... 😜
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Apr 17 2013, 11:50 AM)
There u go again..... tongue.gif
No time to entertain u these days.... Focusing on other market now.... tongue.gif Some others will still probably entertain u.... 😜
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Thank you. All I need to hear is nothing from you. biggrin.gif

Nothing more to say lor.... biggrin.gif



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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 17 2013, 11:49 AM)
when we reason with you about Monk Kiara you said we "die die want to defend MK" but when you defence SJ..for you it's reasonable.....everything  sudah terbalik.... rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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Your twin even worse call us all "gullible water fish" in cantonese it means that we are all "naive fools" just because we think Mont Kiara is within our budget and it's our type of category we want to jump into.
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 17 2013, 11:50 AM)
Okaylar uncle...if makes you happy and content I say it lah:

"MK is the bestest place in Klang Valleylah, can even beat KLCC area want.

All expats all line up at your door take a number have a seat all willing to pay 10000 per month just to stay in your grand condo.

All MK toilet bowls made out of gold wan.

Birds don't chirp, the play out classical music in the morning.

Trees in MK don't grow leaves wan, but grow green in USD..."

Happy or not uncle?  biggrin.gif
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talking about putting words into people mouth , I can say to you look into the mirror the man you are talking about is in the mirror
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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 17 2013, 11:54 AM)
talking about putting words into people mouth , I can say to you look into the mirror the man you are talking about is in the mirror
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Why? Uncle not happy enough ah? biggrin.gif

Okaylah, how about this:

"MK got a stairway to heaven wan, if you tired of life can just climb the stairs and live in heaven,

In MK when you turn the tap, milk and honey pour out wan

In MK, the women all cun cun, and willing and at anytime willing to sleep with you wan

In MK ah, the road is all clear and perfect wan, you can take your ferrari and go 250 KM per hour no problem at any time

In MK, 5 star cook your food at every restaurant, and it is all free wan...."

Anymore to add uncle tell me...what more you want me to say? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 17 2013, 11:59 AM)
Why? Uncle not happy enough ah? biggrin.gif

Okaylah, how about this:

"MK got a stairway to heaven wan, if you tired of life can just climb the stairs and live in heaven,

In MK when you turn the tap, milk and honey pour out wan

In MK, the women all cun cun, and willing and at anytime willing to sleep with you wan

In MK ah, the road is all clear and perfect wan, you can take your ferrari and go 250 KM per hour no problem at any time

In MK, 5 star cook your food at every restaurant, and it is all free wan...."

Anymore to add uncle tell me...what more you want me to say?  biggrin.gif
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oklah no time to layan you now, better concerntrate on the better debate, seriously you need to have time for self-reflection ....... notworthy.gif

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oklah no time to layan you now, better concerntrate on the better debate, seriously need to have time for self-reflection ....... notworthy.gif
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Saw the Pavilion website color has been changed to green... wonder what it means ah??
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Lets do a side-by-side comparison since this is the only 2 development at the moment in the centre of Mont Kiara:



Acroris MK / Pavilion Hilltop MK
Developer Sunrise Bhd / ???? aka Pavilion
Type Mix / Residential
Tenure F.H / F.H
Address Jln Kiara 1 / Jln Changkat Duta
Acre 6 acres / 5.8 acres
Total units 1,204 Units / 621 units
Average price 950 psf / 950 psf
(after discount)
Selling point: Achitecture by Foster & partner & by Sunrise / Top of the MK hill & Pavilion Brand


Concept: Modern living / ??????

Previous development: MK10 & Solaris Dutamas / Pavilion Residence and Pavilion KL Shopping mall
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Financial package: DIBS / DIBS
Car park smalles unit: 1 / 2
Maintanence charges 0.35 psf / 0.25 psf
Facilities : Skypool, wading pool / ?????
Service provided: ???? / ????
Amenities: Close to future Hotel, Plaza shopping mall & Int school / Retails lot and dining



Pls fill in the "??????" section anyone???

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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 17 2013, 11:45 AM)
I am very happy with Mont Kiara and would not consider other place because just with slippers I can walk to all my properties and it's easy to manage and the yield is there for me and the place is safe, for you you are happy with SJ, but try not to instill in people's mind that you know about mont kiara just because you heard from outside Mont Kiara is "oversupply", we are in Mont Kiara so we know better ...
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The discussions here are so childish!!! Shameful, if foreigners or overseas locals like Angela reading here.

Both SJ and MK investors are neither entirely wrong or correct actually. Both have their valid points. Below are mine:


1. SJ and MK are not apple-to-apple comparison at most economic terms.

2. SJ's main target market is affluent local families, local singles and affluent students - locals or internationals alike.

3. MK's main target market is affluent matured age group and 3-5 years international expats working in Malaysia.

4. MK has alot of overseas investors. It is an international zone, more or less for KL - having well-established international schools there for expats like Nayati Moodliar. There is an obvious certainty that MK remained in this profile for many more years to come. My Schlumberger bosses are living in MK (not because they like there, but is near to office in BU). I know many overseas-exposed Malaysians will die die buy a condo in MK as a "class" statement.

5. SJ is a matured township with great infrastructures, made popular by its landed properties that we local Malaysians love. I studied in Taylors and Monash(Sunway) and I know there are alot of international students who are OK -OK staying in the vicinity. The richer ones tend to be at Sunway side. I know many middle class and corporate-society Malaysians who can never stay in MK simply due to the lack of CHAR KWAY TEOW and CHICKEN RICE.

6. Both have their target markets. Bear in mind, there are changing demographics, example being - more and more Africans are moving to MK and more and more Koreans are moving to SJ. In any way, do not ever discriminate global people as we as investors must be mindful of how our economy is dictating the needs of globalisation and hence the flexibility of foreigners working here and living within our neighborhoods. Btw we have alot of Africans as Managers residing in MK handling Schlumberger operations in oil-rich continent Africa and they too are interested in bringing their kids for college education in SJ. But our numbers are small if you compare to the huge expats of other MNCs such as SHELL - who are living in Bangsar.

7. Both SJ and MK have sizeable remaining lands. Both also have their squatter areas. Both are also building more and more shoeboxes hence becoming oversupply (sorry, for me I feel both places are currently oversupply). Both are planning newer and more functional wholesome lifestyle shopping malls and urban rail transportation points.

8. SJ's pull factor is the globally-renowned designed SJCC Project by Benoy. MK's pull factor is the globally-renowned designed KL Metropolis Project by S.O.M. Btw, Phase 1 of KL Metropolis is also designed by Benoy - if you visit the website. HAHA. Same designer for both pull factor projects.

9. Prospects? Well, MK has difficulty in getting transactions due to its price tag (but low psf). SJ's overhang situation is not there yet, but is surely coming.

10. I still believe the "between" of SJ and MK is actually Petaling Jaya. Not all parts of PJ. Kota Damansara is a wannabe at the moment but far from it. But generally PJ prices give good value, have high target audience and easier to transact at all sizes.

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QUOTE(accetera @ Apr 18 2013, 01:10 AM)
The discussions here are so childish!!! Shameful, if foreigners or overseas locals like Angela reading here.

Both SJ and MK investors are neither entirely wrong or correct actually. Both have their valid points. Below are mine:
1. SJ and MK are not apple-to-apple comparison at most economic terms.
[COLOR=red]Agreed
2. SJ's main target market is affluent local families, local singles and affluent students - locals or internationals alike.
Do not agree, depend on the area but overall fall into middle income group.

3. MK's main target market is affluent matured age group and 3-5 years international expats working in Malaysia.
3-5 years international working expats?? Pls define that.

4. MK has alot of overseas investors. It is an international zone, more or less for KL - having well-established international schools there for expats like Nayati Moodliar. There is an obvious certainty that MK remained in this profile for many more years to come. My Schlumberger bosses are living in MK (not because they like there, but is near to office in BU). I know many overseas-exposed Malaysians will die die buy a condo in MK as a "class" statement.
Nayati Moodiliar? referring to kidnapping cases?? Agreed to some extend but most of Slumberger people has family, with abundance international school that is why they choose Mont Kiara



5. SJ is a matured township with great infrastructures, made popular by its landed properties that we local Malaysians love. I studied in Taylors and Monash(Sunway) and I know there are alot of international students who are OK -OK staying in the vicinity. The richer ones tend to be at Sunway side. I know many middle class and corporate-society Malaysians who can never stay in MK simply due to the lack of CHAR KWAY TEOW and CHICKEN RICE.
I do not agree with char keaw tiaw and chiecken rice analogy, near Mont Kiara solaris thee is still some shop selling even wan tan mee. Its not about char keow teau it is about the lack of college there.





7. Both SJ and MK have sizeable remaining lands. Both also have their squatter areas. Both are also building more and more shoeboxes hence becoming oversupply (sorry, for me I feel both places are currently oversupply). Both are planning newer and more functional wholesome lifestyle shopping malls and urban rail transportation points.

Do not agree MK do not have any more land, the remaining land is at segambut side and it is not part of Mont Kiara




8. SJ's pull factor is the globally-renowned designed SJCC Project by Benoy. MK's pull factor is the globally-renowned designed KL Metropolis Project by S.O.M. Btw, Phase 1 of KL Metropolis is also designed by Benoy - if you visit the website. HAHA. Same designer for both pull factor projects.
Agreed  to some extend but KL Metropolis is not in Mont Kiara


9. Prospects? Well, MK has difficulty in getting transactions due to its price tag (but low psf). SJ's overhang situation is not there yet, but is surely coming.
Agreed to some extend some large size may take a while for transaction but rental market for the size is brisks

10. I still believe the "between" of SJ and MK is actually Petaling Jaya. Not all parts of PJ. Kota Damansara is a wannabe at the moment but far from it. But generally PJ prices give good value, have high target audience and easier to transact at all sizes.
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True, Mont kiara belong to KL and SJ is SJ but it all be part of Greater KL. Proximity to KL center will pay a big part especially with the TRX, HSR all concerntrate in KL cetral.
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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 17 2013, 03:40 PM)
Lets do a side-by-side comparison since this is the only 2 development at the moment in the centre of Mont Kiara:
                        Acroris  MK    /    Pavilion Hilltop MK
Developer            Sunrise Bhd        /                ???? aka Pavilion
Type                        Mix                /                  Residential
Tenure                    F.H                /                    F.H
Address              Jln Kiara 1            /                Jln Changkat Duta
Acre                        6 acres          /                    5.8 acres
Total units              1,204 Units    /                    621 units
Average price            950 psf      /                      950 psf
(after discount)
Selling point:        Achitecture by Foster & partner & by Sunrise  /          Top of the MK hill & Pavilion Brand
                         

Concept:                  Modern living          /            ??????

Previous development:  MK10 & Solaris Dutamas    /  Pavilion Residence and Pavilion KL Shopping mall
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Financial package:          DIBS                /                DIBS
Car park smalles unit:        1                    /                  2
Maintanence charges          0.35 psf        /                  0.25 psf
Facilities :                      Skypool, wading pool  /          ?????
Service provided:                ????                  /                  ????
Amenities:        Close to future Hotel, Plaza shopping mall & Int school  /            Retails lot and dining
                         
Pls fill in the "??????" section  anyone???
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Personally I don't see Arcoris and Pavillion is a fair comparison....
Pavilion shld compare with the neighbour completed project such as, SENI, KIARAVILLE, TIFFANI.... All are Residents project.
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QUOTE(accetera @ Apr 18 2013, 01:10 AM)
The discussions here are so childish!!! Shameful, if foreigners or overseas locals like Angela reading here.

Both SJ and MK investors are neither entirely wrong or correct actually. Both have their valid points. Below are mine:
1. SJ and MK are not apple-to-apple comparison at most economic terms.

2. SJ's main target market is affluent local families, local singles and affluent students - locals or internationals alike.

3. MK's main target market is affluent matured age group and 3-5 years international expats working in Malaysia.

4. MK has alot of overseas investors. It is an international zone, more or less for KL - having well-established international schools there for expats like Nayati Moodliar. There is an obvious certainty that MK remained in this profile for many more years to come. My Schlumberger bosses are living in MK (not because they like there, but is near to office in BU). I know many overseas-exposed Malaysians will die die buy a condo in MK as a "class" statement.

5. SJ is a matured township with great infrastructures, made popular by its landed properties that we local Malaysians love. I studied in Taylors and Monash(Sunway) and I know there are alot of international students who are OK -OK staying in the vicinity. The richer ones tend to be at Sunway side. I know many middle class and corporate-society Malaysians who can never stay in MK simply due to the lack of CHAR KWAY TEOW and CHICKEN RICE.

6. Both have their target markets. Bear in mind, there are changing demographics, example being - more and more Africans are moving to MK and more and more Koreans are moving to SJ. In any way, do not ever discriminate global people as we as investors must be mindful of how our economy is dictating the needs of globalisation and hence the flexibility of foreigners working here and living within our neighborhoods. Btw we have alot of Africans as Managers residing in MK handling Schlumberger operations in oil-rich continent Africa and they too are interested in bringing their kids for college education in SJ. But our numbers are small if you compare to the huge expats of other MNCs such as SHELL - who are living in Bangsar.

7. Both SJ and MK have sizeable remaining lands. Both also have their squatter areas. Both are also building more and more shoeboxes hence becoming oversupply (sorry, for me I feel both places are currently oversupply). Both are planning newer and more functional wholesome lifestyle shopping malls and urban rail transportation points.

8. SJ's pull factor is the globally-renowned designed SJCC Project by Benoy. MK's pull factor is the globally-renowned designed KL Metropolis Project by S.O.M. Btw, Phase 1 of KL Metropolis is also designed by Benoy - if you visit the website. HAHA. Same designer for both pull factor projects.

9. Prospects? Well, MK has difficulty in getting transactions due to its price tag (but low psf). SJ's overhang situation is not there yet, but is surely coming.

10. I still believe the "between" of SJ and MK is actually Petaling Jaya. Not all parts of PJ. Kota Damansara is a wannabe at the moment but far from it. But generally PJ prices give good value, have high target audience and easier to transact at all sizes.
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I'm 101% agreed that MK and SJ cannot be compared.
In summary, it's a total different target tenants, or I call it different investment strategy/prospective.
I have my fair share of experience in students target property, frankly this is no longer my target property. I jus don't like it anymore. Nothing got to do with the investment or property good or not, it's jus not my cup of tea anymore.
I now likes the dealing in MK, right from Agents, Condo Management till the Tenants.... I jus like it there through the experiences I hav till now. icon_rolleyes.gif

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I'm 101% agreed that MK and SJ cannot be compared.
In summary, it's a total different target tenants, or I call it different investment strategy/prospective.
I have my fair share of experience in students target property, frankly this is no longer my target property. I jus don't like it anymore. Nothing got to do with the investment or property good or not, it's jus not my cup of tea anymore.
I now likes the dealing in MK, right from Agents, Condo Management till the Tenants.... I jus like it there through the experiences I hav till now.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Uncle-uncle sekalian,

I never compared mk and sj.

I just merely stated, "I feel more comfortable investing in sj" and hence expressing my preference and then one old uncle come out swing with his bat on me on how wrong I am, and die-die trying to prove that mk is far more superior than sj.

Is mk different from from sj, of course it is. I just don't like paying mk prices when investing. That's all.

Anyway, I had my fun trolling die hard uncles like that. biggrin.gif

Some people just behaves like 5 year old no matter how many years they lived. biggrin.gif



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QUOTE(tat3179 @ Apr 18 2013, 09:44 PM)
Uncle-uncle sekalian,

I never compared mk and sj.

I just merely stated, "I feel more comfortable investing in sj" and hence expressing my preference and then one old uncle come out swing with his bat on me on how wrong I am, and die-die trying to prove that mk is far more superior than sj.

Is mk different from from sj, of course it is. I just don't like paying mk prices when investing. That's all.

Anyway, I had my fun trolling die hard uncles like that. biggrin.gif

Some people just behaves like 5 year old no matter how many years they lived. biggrin.gif
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Look at the all the debates , if you say the uncle 5 years old, you are only 2 months old
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 18 2013, 10:17 PM)
Look at the all the debates , if you say the uncle 5 years old, you are only 2 months old
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Well, since he calls me a young man, so I act like a young man lah...hell, I am more polite as a young man in the beginning that this so called old man who claims to have more experience than me.... biggrin.gif

Anyway, I enjoyed it. For me that is what a forum is for.

This ain't some academic symposium. I have nothing to prove.

You want to play, I play with you lah...

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Apr 18 2013, 10:10 AM)
Personally I don't see Arcoris and Pavillion is a fair comparison....
Pavilion shld compare with the neighbour completed project such as, SENI, KIARAVILLE, TIFFANI.... All are Residents project.
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I agree the area is the Malaysian version of Beverly Hills biggrin.gif where many celebrity lives, the one that were made public are Fann Wong, Jimmy Choo, Bernard Chandran, Selangor Royal Family member, Stephenie Chai.... saw Jimmy Choo the other day...
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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 18 2013, 11:07 PM)
I agree the area is the Malaysian version of Beverly Hills  biggrin.gif  where many celebrity lives, the one that were made public are Fann Wong, Jimmy Choo, Bernard Chandran, Selangor Royal Family member, Stephenie Chai.... saw Jimmy Choo the other day...
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yes my family members claimed that they saw many celebrity in the compound, honestly if I bump into them I may not even recognize any of them..
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All these celebrities were owners of i- tiffani and not sure all of them still the owners or sold. i-tiffani subsale for 1200-1300sf is cheaper at 750psf, 200psf lower than Pavillion MK. Kiaraville smaller units less than 2000sf still can get less than 700psf in the mkt. for Seni 2411sf units and come with private lift lobby and 5star facilities like 2 olympic sized pools, subsale price is 750-780psf. IMO, Pavillion MK is overpriced and I will not surprised if the sales will be sluggish like Arcoris. I still get emails and SMS from various SAs to push Arcoris after so many months.
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Actually if one buys mk for on stay or retirement purposes, where should he buy?

Say max is about 700k budget with more than a 1000sq feet in size.

Preferably also easy to rent out if choose not to stay there?
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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 19 2013, 06:18 AM)
yes my family members claimed that they saw many celebrity in the compound, honestly if I bump into them I may not even recognize any of them..
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Mont kiara is getting a lot of publicity in Japan and if you say KL most of Japanese who know malaysia will say Mont Kiara or KLCC, talking about celebrity I think there are some Japanese celebrity stays there, saw one in cold storage ... rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 19 2013, 08:56 AM)
Mont kiara is getting a lot of publicity in Japan and if you say KL most of Japanese who know malaysia will say Mont Kiara or KLCC, talking about celebrity I think there are some Japanese celebrity stays there, saw one in cold storage ... rclxms.gif
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hahahaha maybeI could have bump into a few japanese celebrity without even realizing it...... biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 19 2013, 09:02 AM)
hahahaha maybeI could have bump into a few japanese celebrity without even realizing it...... biggrin.gif
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Do not effect me much on my decision to buy a property with the celebrity effect or not, for me it's better than bumping into Nigerian druglord, the most improtant factor for me is quality of management, tenant & property finishing , rental yield and brand. nod.gif

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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 19 2013, 09:07 AM)
Do not effect me much in my decision to buy a property with the celebrity effect or not, for me it's better than bumping into Nigerian druglord, the most improtant factor for me is quality of management, tenant & property finishing , rental yield and brand.  nod.gif
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BTW...wellcome back Angela!
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BTW...wellcome back Angela!
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I thnk that it could be the way celebrity want it they dont want to b recognz, thaz why they like it perhaps biggrin.gif
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Do not effect me much on my decision to buy a property with the celebrity effect or not, for me it's better than bumping into Nigerian druglord, the most improtant factor for me is quality of management, tenant & property finishing , rental yield and brand.  nod.gif
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Agree most important is the quality and ROI for me , Nigerian / no Nigerian it's up to them but druglord...no no no
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Actually if one buys mk for on stay or retirement purposes, where should he buy?

Say max is about 700k budget with more than a 1000sq feet in size.

Preferably also easy to rent out if choose not to stay there?
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Palma, Pelangi, Pines, Hartamas Regency
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wah no coincidence these 2 are twins log in and log out at the same time....
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Yes beware all the forumer we identified a forum crushers from a person that post under same username:

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One can easily google and find out drug cases in MK were being rented by MEs to refine drugs. MK is not heaven and free from these issues when some units vacant for long time and resulted opportunity for drug dealers to rent from desperate or simply bochap owners .
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Yes beware all the forumer we identified a forum crushers from a person that post under same username:

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hunterlim....how about you?

How do I know you are not the same dupe with that ForgeG uncle fella? biggrin.gif
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Yes beware all the forumer we identified a forum crushers from a person that post under same username:

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Yes beware all the forumer we identified a forum crushers from a person that post under same username:

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Johndisaster as another one...
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ Apr 19 2013, 09:35 AM)
One can easily google and find out drug cases in MK were being rented by MEs to refine drugs. MK is not heaven and free from these issues when some units vacant for long time and resulted opportunity for drug dealers to rent from desperate or simply bochap owners .
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I don't understand why people get so attached to an area just because they vested in it and thinks that their place is crime free one... biggrin.gif

come onlah....we are discussing about investments in propslah...not about your daughter marrying some bloke okay? biggrin.gif

Maybe because they banggala because they think that they are living with ang moh and feel high class....seriously, the attitude of some people are just so funny...

This is Malaysialah....no matter you are in MK ke or some ulu place in some god forsaken part in this country, there still be crime onelah...

And come to think of it, maybe those MK uncles also think that MK got no africans wan...that's why so banggala biggrin.gif

This thread is giving me no end of entertainment... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 19 2013, 09:40 AM)
Johndisaster as another  one...
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how about se7en? biggrin.gif

Who knows...the owner of this forum is also a dupe...? biggrin.gif
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Johndisaster as another  one...
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Will initiate an investigation with lowyat into this individual that use the same pronet protocol ...
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Sad to see this thread quality is going down the drain...the same SA, hide in various nicks, keep throwing all sort of lies and personal attacks to anyone who give differing views here. Clearly pav mk sales is bad like arcoris or else no need to waste time to hard sell and in denial here
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Will initiate an investigation with lowyat into this individual that use the same pronet protocol ...
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Huah...time to call lowyat's CSI already..... biggrin.gif


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Will initiate an investigation with lowyat into this individual that use the same pronet protocol ...
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Hunter as communicated and per our initial investigation we know where this individual stay and also the Ip address given .... there is possibility of more bogus username used under him.

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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 19 2013, 09:48 AM)
Hunter as communicated and per our initial investigation we know where this individual stay and also the Ip address given .... there is possibility of more bogus username used under him.
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Huah uncle, once traced then how...?

Send your hitman over to whack the fella izzit?

Huah...MK really make you obssessed already oh...stalking guys somemore... biggrin.gif

You sending hitman or sending yourself to check him out...? brows.gif

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Hunter as communicated and per our initial investigation we know where this individual stay and also the Ip address given .... there is possibility of more bogus username used under him.
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No wondez all the post come in at the same time, from your PM, I think you are not typical ppl, I thix this man has no idea who they deal with here...fogif him ...still a naive man..
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I am done seeing this thread being a venue for ppl to vent their anger without responsibility.

Genuine readers can be a target???!!! God bless to all of u cool2.gif
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I see someone very busy switching screen, logging on and off and change user name to post here, sometime they forgot to change LOLZZZ


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The post of meeting Japanese celebs has attracted me to MK! Time to do some survey...
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well... there are quite a lot of nice Japanese restaurants at Mont Kiara, Hartamas area.


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For Living.

For Luxury.

For Service.

From the people behind Pavilion KL - Malaysia's most successful shopping mall.

Your life will never be the same again.

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Approved in 2012. Pending for launch in 2013.

Website: http://www.pavilionhilltop.com/

A single highrise tower project.
Associated projects and joint-management:
- Pavilion Residences
- Pavilion Tower
- Banyan Tree Signatures Hotel & Residences @ Pavilion KL
- Pavilion Couture Suites (coming soon 2013)
- Pavilion Hilltop Mont'Kiara (coming soon 2013)
- Pavilion KL 2 Extension (coming soon 2014)

Associated retail management:
- Pavilion KL
- fahrenheit88
- da:men Shopping Centre, USJ Subang Jaya
- Nova Saujana Retail Podium
- Pavilion KL 2 Extension
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it must be damn jam even the area is looking good lol
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well... there are quite a lot of nice Japanese restaurants at Mont Kiara, Hartamas area.
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You sure know, perhaps you may bump into me in one of the restaurant... biggrin.gif
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You sure know, perhaps you may bump into me in one of the restaurant... biggrin.gif
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Hehe I frequent sugimoto quite often, the rest in a very rare occasion. I know there's a rakuzen there, and a few nice ramen shops and other japanese restaurants in publika. The rest of them in hartamas is cheap and decent. There is one pet friendly near backyard as well.


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QUOTE(Lcsx @ Apr 19 2013, 03:48 PM)
Hehe I frequent sugimoto quite often, the rest in a very rare occasion. I know there's a rakuzen there, and a few nice ramen shops and other japanese restaurants in publika. The rest of them in hartamas is cheap and decent. There is one pet friendly near backyard as well.
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Never eat at Sugimoto before perhaps I can try one day, one of my favorite is Shuraku rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 19 2013, 05:06 PM)
Never eat at Sugimoto  before perhaps I can try one day, one of my favorite is Shuraku  rclxms.gif
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Where is Shuraku?
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Never eat at Sugimoto  before perhaps I can try one day, one of my favorite is Shuraku  rclxms.gif
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Haha alright. Think I should try a Japanese's choice. Will head to Shuraku too.

I liked Yakitori Do too in Solaris near the batch of coffee outlets. Served great Yakitori, but not sure whether it was popular enough to survive. Slightly hidden place as it is on the 1st floor.

Sugimoto has one of the best lunch deals in town. Ridiculously value for money till they probably don't make much money at all for lunch.


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went to checkout Hilltop. remain few 1830sqft units left. even the booking sheet was not updated fast enough coz i was booking the same one as another customer. selling like hot cakes. too bad the good loan deals n dibs is open to hongleong and uob only.
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QUOTE(ruff50 @ Apr 22 2013, 11:09 AM)
went to checkout Hilltop. remain few 1830sqft units left. even the booking sheet was not updated fast enough coz i was booking the same one as another customer. selling like hot cakes. too bad the good loan deals n dibs is open to hongleong and uob only.
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Why "too bad"? Their quota filled already?
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QUOTE(ruff50 @ Apr 22 2013, 11:09 AM)
went to checkout Hilltop. remain few 1830sqft units left. even the booking sheet was not updated fast enough coz i was booking the same one as another customer. selling like hot cakes. too bad the good loan deals n dibs is open to hongleong and uob only.
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So what is the take up rate percentage wise? Heard that it's 90% sold last week, when is the launching of next block?
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So what is the take up rate percentage wise? Heard that it's 90% sold last week, when is the launching of next block?
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Checked and verified, as mentioned by another forumer only few unit left, and before the launch of next block many has register for it. So it is really selling like hot cakes....BBB mode, tempting me, sure gonna go down to check it out.
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Checked and verified, as mentioned by another forumer only few unit left, and before the launch of next block many has register for it. So it is really selling like hot cakes....BBB mode, tempting me, sure gonna go down to check it out.
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Walau eh?!? Soft launch sudah sapu licin. Thought of checking it out this weekend & may be grab a unit. How many phases are there in total? Current price is RM900 psf nett?
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Walau eh?!? Soft launch sudah sapu licin. Thought of checking it out this weekend & may be grab a unit. How many phases are there in total? Current price is RM900 psf nett?
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Yeah Sapu habis , 3 phases I think, price should be below 1 k psf.




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QUOTE(forceGMike @ Apr 23 2013, 10:21 PM)
Checked and verified, as mentioned by another forumer only few unit left, and before the launch of next block many has register for it. So it is really selling like hot cakes....BBB mode, tempting me, sure gonna go down to check it out.
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Heard phsII launching soon. Selling like hot potatoes, even pavilion directors will stay in the units so quality is more or less assured.
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Heard phsII launching soon. Selling like hot potatoes, even pavilion directors will stay in the units so quality is more or less assured.
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So, judging by the response Phase 2 will be RM1k psf onwards? Same unit size?
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So, judging by the response Phase 2 will be RM1k psf onwards? Same unit size?
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Still selling like hot cake?
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Really working hard to keep this thread alive ya.... tongue.gif
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Really working hard to keep this thread alive ya.... tongue.gif
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U dont sound appreciative. Lol icon_rolleyes.gif
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Probably people thought that Rusby, zuiko, hunterlim are all the same guy and operate in a syndicate to sell pavilion, I think pavilion do not need any promotion, if they need promotion they will not use this lowyat that's for sure

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QUOTE(hunterlim @ Apr 24 2013, 06:01 PM)
Probably people thought that Rusby, zuiko, hunterlim are all the same guy and operate in a syndicate to sell pavilion, I think pavilion do not need any promotion, if they need promotion they will not use this lowyat that's for sure
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Haha! Syndicate hired by Pavilion to use lowyat forum to sell their properties. So budget meh?!? But seriously guys, how much was the initial booking required for Pavilion MK again? I just went to Arcoris property showcase yesterday. Their Arcoris Residences almost sold out except a handful of blocked units. Even low floors units sapu licin dy. May be due to Pavilion MK factor? Funny thing is the SA told me the show units will be ready next month. But why spend so much on show units when it's almost sold out? He replied mgmt didn't expect such good response & show units budget has been included in their marketing program. So, just went ahead. Lol rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Rusby @ Apr 24 2013, 06:29 PM)
Haha! Syndicate hired by Pavilion to use lowyat forum to sell their properties. So budget meh?!? But seriously guys, how much was the initial booking required for Pavilion MK again? I just went to Arcoris property showcase yesterday. Their Arcoris Residences almost sold out except a handful of blocked units. Even low floors units sapu licin dy. May be due to Pavilion MK factor? Funny thing is the SA told me the show units will be ready next month. But why spend so much on show units when it's almost sold out? He replied mgmt didn't expect such good response & show units budget has been included in their marketing program. So, just went ahead. Lol  rolleyes.gif
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Hahaha probably the management believed the negative publicity been spread out there that mont kiara is over supply and etc that's why they were surprised by the response, will not spent anymore of my time try to explain that, this is already proven that mont Kiara property is always in demand. I not sure if it was pavilion factor but one thing for sure is the success of Publika may spur people to have confidence in sunrise again. All-in-all, I think mont kiara price is a bargain now

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Since there are so many interest party here I thx it's time 2 post done teaser from the portfolio I rcv from Pav.Attached Image Attached Image

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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 24 2013, 08:35 PM)
Since there are so many interest party here I thx it's time 2 post done teaser from the portfolio I rcv from Pav.
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Nice one Angela. Btw, where did u get the teaser pics?
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Nice one Angela. Btw, where did u get the teaser pics?
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As I mentioned earlier I am investor there, basically the response was beyond my expectation.
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Hahaha probably the management believed the negative publicity been spread out there that mont kiara is over supply and etc that's why they were surprised by the response, will not spent anymore of my time try to  explain that, this is already proven that mont Kiara property is always in demand. I  not sure if it was pavilion factor but one thing for sure is the success of Publika may spur people to have confidence in sunrise again. All-in-all, I think mont kiara price is a bargain now
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Yes I have to agree that MK always in demand
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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Apr 25 2013, 05:32 PM)
Yes I have to agree that MK always in demand
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Just received information from one of their directors. Phase 2 soft launch is tomorrow. But smallest unit is close to 1,500 sf. Haizzz. Missed the boat
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QUOTE(Rusby @ Apr 25 2013, 06:54 PM)
Just received information from one of their directors. Phase 2 soft launch is tomorrow. But smallest unit is close to 1,500 sf. Haizzz. Missed the boat
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1,500 is also a very good deal, it come with extra dry kitchen, balcony and an extra maid's room , however I still think 1,200 is the best buy in this development.


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1,500 is also a very good deal, it come with extra dry kitchen, balcony and an extra maid's room , however I still think 1,200 is the best buy in this development.
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Most definitely
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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 25 2013, 07:56 PM)
1,500 is also a very good deal, it come with extra dry kitchen, balcony and an extra maid's room , however I still think 1,200 is the best buy in this development.
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What size did you buy and why? I am still thinking. Thanks for sharing info
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QUOTE(Rusby @ Apr 25 2013, 06:54 PM)
Just received information from one of their directors. Phase 2 soft launch is tomorrow. But smallest unit is close to 1,500 sf. Haizzz. Missed the boat
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1,500sf just nice
Is there any unit facing the highway??
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How much is 1500sqft selling at?
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How much is 1500sqft selling at?
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1500 sqft x RM1000/sqft = RM1500000

- 10% discount = RM1350000




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1500 sqft x RM1000/sqft = RM1500000

- 10% discount = RM1350000
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Are they launching today? Where is the showroom?

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Are they launching today? Where is the showroom?
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In Pavilion itself
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In Pavilion itself
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I'm going outstation now. Only back next week. If anyone of you go, can update here please? Like price, size, facility, response. Thanks in advance
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QUOTE(B.Angela @ Apr 25 2013, 07:56 PM)
1,500 is also a very good deal, it come with extra dry kitchen, balcony and an extra maid's room , however I still think 1,200 is the best buy in this development.
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This thread is so lively with u around.

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QUOTE(xyyap @ Apr 26 2013, 02:01 PM)
This thread is so lively with u around.
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Will take that as a compliment. Heard that the next block price is very close to 1st block price, maybe uncle Desmond is in good mood...

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