any Aptitude test ??

Please don't try to mislead people in this forum if you have no idea what's going on in Huawei.

there are few things to clarify against some of your statements:

1. Huawei Engineers are the 1 that are travelling the most on an average basis, not their senior Managers or Directors. Your statement of travelling after 1-2 years of industry exposure is not correct as Huawei Freshie engineers are now generally recruited into Malaysia office and will be doing work for Malaysia projects. However, if you are recruited into 1 of the regional office, you would be starting your travelling life within 3-6 months time.

2. With a basic salary of around 3.5k to 4k, it is possible to hit RM 10k a month including monthly oversea allowance, which ranges from 40-78 USD per day (excluding any accomodation or airticket expenses, those are bourne by the company completely). This is still not taking into account of the 13th month salary, few months performance bonuses, leave encashment, etc etc etc.

3. Unless u r recruited as expatriate contract to Shenzhen, HQ or u r recruited into their Global Shared HR Center, you'll only be joining Malaysia office, AP office, South Pacific Regional office, or SEA Regional Office staff. None of these regional offices would enable you to travel on a global basis to countries like Africa. The only time u get to travel to a country other than 1 in Asia Pacific is when u are supporting cross regional projects and are working for cross regional group such as Vodafone or Telenor group.

4. Huawei accomodation facilities while travelling might not be the best within the industry, but you get all your basic like TV (with satellite channels with HBO, CNN, etc), internet, aircond, room services, etc. I haven't come across a case to travel and stay in any accomodation without water & electricity.

5. Training for new staff would generally be conducted in Malaysia unless you are going for RF/RNO or some Mgmt courses in Shenzhen.

6. Beginning from this year, it is very rare for any new staff that are required to travel to India.

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Added on August 17, 2008, 12:34 am1. If you are required to travel to Sri Lanka, then you shouldn't be required to travel to India.

2. You can use the office VOIP network to call back to Malaysia mobile number but not fixed line number, so you shouldn't have any problem contacting your family back here.

3. Usually you are allowed to return back to Msia within 2 months time after you had travelled out of Msia.

4. Anyway, if you had rejected an offer, chances of you been call again for any further interview in the near future will be very slim.

This post has been edited by morganl: Aug 17 2008, 12:40 AM

It's always a good experience for young people to gain more exposure in other countries. It's a good portfolio for your future career.
Travelling is not necessary bad as you can earn additional allowance on top of your salary in Malaysia. If you are travelling to 3rd world country, your expenses there will be low and hence you can earn even more.
There is always a tradeoff between life and money, you have to decide which one to go for.
Work is always stressful, that's why we are paid to work ... even when you are working in Malaysia, can you guarantee work is easy here?

What you said are only partially correct.
Engineers hired for Asia Pacific support are mostly sent overseas to handle project in a team.
I have friends currently working in Australia, USA, Singapore and Hong Kong as well.
Country such as India, Sri Lanka, Vietnam etc 3rd world country will also be on the list.
As you gain your seniority, travelling to support will reduce and most you will be on the management and leadership track. And that's when you will have chance for training in China.
It's not difficult to gain seniority in Huawei.

Accomodation I believe depends on the country, I agree that it won't be 4-5 stars hotel. Expect something in between 2-3 stars. Country such as Pakistan and Bangladesh are known to have very bad accomodation. But for other countries, it seems okay.

I think you are being funny with your statement.
From your previous post, it shows that you are biased and also you don't seem to work in Huawei.
So I don't see how your post in this thread can help anyone here.

It's possible to reach 10k (depends on your basic) if you are working overseas as you are paid daily allowance in USD in most countries. Note that you are paid allowance on weekend as well. Let say 1 month with daily allowance of USD40, that would be USD1200 per month = RM4000, if you are a fresh graduate, let say your basic is RM2400, that would be RM6400 per month. Not to mention there should be transportation and mobile allowance on top of your basic even if you are not travelling (not sure how much but let say RM300). Altogether will be RM6700 for a fresh graduate salary.

If you are working in a professional industry, you are expected to work profesionally, you are given an assignment and a deadline that you agreed upon, whether you need to work over 6pm and weekend everyday, it's your own time management skill and efficiency. Professionalism ... it applies to every company in the world.

This post has been edited by p4n6: Aug 17 2008, 08:04 AM

CISCO, Nokia-Siemens, even Ericsson puts their staffs on business class flights if they sent you overseas.They will also put you in the best hotels possible at the place where you're being sent to.

What you're saying is that only managers and senior administration staffs are sent to China for leadership training?
Also would you brief us on how you could gain seniority at H rather than just telling others that it's easy?Do you give more preferences to China citizens for such positions like what ark890 said or bring them in to fill those positions?
What sort of talent/skills you need to contribute to China and the number of years in dedication before you could climb the ladder?

Why is H so aggressive in taking in freshies locally and telling them that they would cover ONLY Malaysia.Will their jobs be affected if Huawei's market downsizes here or this is just a temporary measure to offload work?Is every staff entitled to daily allowance in US dollar?

Telling from what you've said, money isn't easily earned in your company.

This post has been edited by heiren: Aug 17 2008, 01:34 PM

1. as far as I know, for those other companies, business class flights are only applicable if the distance between the destination country and your country of origin is more than a certain mileage. No doubt, Huawei oversea accomodation is lacking behind comparing to NSN, E, C, but how often do you travel in those other companies?

2. gaining seniority and climbing the ladder in any company takes time and effort provided you had contributed towards the growth of the company, it is not that different from NSN, E, Cisco. Training in China is not just limited to leadership training, it involved alot of other courses, including advance technical, new departmental knowledge, etc.

3. daily allowance in USD is applicable IF you are travelling oversea on Huawei business trip, I don't understand where your concern is coming from.

4. I think NSN and E Malaysia staff has more to worry about downsizing comparing to Huawei Malaysia staff.

5. Money is not easily earned in any company, not just in this company.

6. I seriously don't think ark890 know nuts about Huawei, so I don't want to go into any arguement in those information that are suggested by ark890.

1. What makes you think that they don't travel oftenly?

2. Please quantify this roughly by the number of years and months.Seniority doesn't have to be managers or directors.How long would a say junior engineer from your regional division take to become a senior engineer.How about one based in your Malaysian office also? 1 year. 2 years? 2 1/2 years?
Advanced technical courses, now how many of your locally Malaysian recruited staffs get to participate or have participated in those highly confidential handouts?

3. You said it yourself that freshies are only kept within Malaysian border limits earlier.I must have got confused there.

4. Do not make assumptions.The reliability of your company products is still in question.The many products that your company produces, how many of them have been largely inspired by Cisco Networks?

5. No further comments on this.Each individual has his/her own discretion.It becomes better with experience.

6. Would not want to take sides on this either.He mentions about your company's priorities and preferences which makes sense.My concern here now is about China's diaspora and its interests.

Currently working in a Huawei Project but I am not a Huawei staff.
Huawei working culture is not easy. They expect you to work 24/7. Working during public holiday, saturday and sunday during peak period is the norm.
I don't know if this is true, but I heard one of the CME team member in East Java was overworked and died.

1. Well, I don't think to get that conclusion, they told me that during the various interview session

2. It depends on quality of the staff, some grow fast, some grow slow, junior to senior could be in 1 year, could be in 2 years, depending on individual capabilities and exposure, we have ppl from junior to manager in 3 years as well.

3. confidential handouts? what exactly are you refering to? most senior engineers gets enrolled into advance courses at least once in a year. Certain dept send entire dept staff back to China for training on an annual basis.

4. I said that freshie are kept locally in Msia lately, but that was not the case in the previous years. Anyway, it makes business sense to promote junior staff to be senior people before sending them out to support on regional projects. Does any of those company that you mentioned send freshie out of Msia to support projects or training?

5. If you are still comparing us wif Cisco, then u obviously have no idea what Huawei is doing, or you are just a plain networking IT guy. I'm not making assumption here, if you had been following the industry trend, you would know what I mean bout the possibilities of downsizing.


This post has been edited by morganl: Aug 17 2008, 10:55 PM

Did I really mislead people?Your words are starting to sound similar to mine now.

About me mentioning basic amenities are hard to come by in some countries in my previous post, please do not relate that with the company.It is very true that processed water and electricity are scarce in undeveloped countries like those.I think you have a misunderstanding there about me saying that this company will find you a place which is without water/electricity supply.No I did not meant that.Of course they will find you a livable place to put up while you're there.

Please accept the facts which I've said.I would apologize if I am proven wrong, and refrain from discussing this with others further.

http://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/jobs/uk/huawei.do

the hwawei you all mention is it the company manufactured modem for celcom 3G boardband now?

I believe this is only consider small business to them.
for more information please visit: http://www.huawei.com/

pretty true you from H ?


This post has been edited by nicotine: Aug 20 2008, 09:04 PM

When you said their staff as in all? I doubt. Heck, I can even say you're plain lying. On the hotel, I came across ALU's staff living in 3 star hotel. On Huawei's accommodation, generally if you are staying in hotel, it would be so-so. If you opt for hostel (condo/town house), mostly it'll be very pleasing. There's even extra allowance if you stay in hostel.

I've seen people promoted within 1-2 years in service quite frequently.

You forgot the fact that Malaysia is a market as well. Huawei has won plenty of awards in Malaysia. If you care to search the net, Huawei is the fastest growing vendor.

I actually find that there are many awards and bonuses in Huawei.

Because we have friend jumping to and fro

Generally it should be 1-2 years. Yeap, including Malaysia office staff. From the way you see it, I find that you have the impression of the company discriminate Malaysian in some way. I can tell you that some bosses do appreciate Malaysia staff more than mainland chinese.

I'm also confused by your statement.

Ah ha, prejudice. It may be to your surprise the MTBF for some equipment is 99.999%. Since when Cisco has base station? Owh ya, they bought Navini. How about since when Cisco has IMS? BOSS system?

Yeap, Huawei is still lacking in localization. Well, to think about it, Huawei is a very young company compared to its competitor. Give it some time.

Spokeperson for Huawei,

Did you see me quote ALU?

Plenty of award in Malaysia?Tell that to the others in this career section of Lowyat forum.

Good to hear that.Best thing if you really enjoy your work.

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Added on August 21, 2008, 10:47 pmYou mean you have 'spies' jumping to and fro?

Oh yeah, 'some' bosses.How about the rest?They speak ONLY "Pu Tong Hua" in Pinyin style to you?

MTBF 99.999% also means completely dead on expiry.
CISCO once had a lawsuit with Huawei for infringing their IOS patent before.Who invented routers?
Why does Huawei still favours candidates with CISCO certification?

Let me remind you.Are we discussing about companies or staff benefits/work conditions here?

This post has been edited by heiren: Aug 21 2008, 10:56 PM

1. I'm not here to act as the spoke person for Huawei or trying to worship Huawei, I'm just trying to deflect some of the prejudices in your statement.

2. As I'd mentioned earlier, if you are still comparing Huawei with CISCO, I would say that you are in no position to judge Huawei at all.

3. MTBF 99.999% is DOE? lol... Do you even know what MTBF is?

4. Telecom industry in Malaysia is a relatively small circle, so practically everyone has contacts whom are working in competitors company, what is there to shout about?

5. Out of the many staffs that I'd hired or managed so far, only 1 has CISCO certification, so don't brag about having your Cisco certification that much.

6. First u said Money is not easily earned in Huawei, now u are saying you aren't talking bout companies or staff benefits.... First you doubt people in Huawei can actually earn 10k a month, and now you wanna talk about work conditions...

This post has been edited by morganl: Aug 22 2008, 01:56 AM

Nope, I said ALU because I only bumped into ALU guys.

I can't really get what are you trying to say here.

Spies? Aha..... the prejudice again It's normal for people to switch jobs.

You'll be surprised that some speaks better english than us. As you are aware, I use the word "some" because I don't like stereotyping and prejudice.

How could it be dead on expire? Sorry for being blunt, I find that its hard to talk to you because you focus in a small scope (Malaysia) and you lack of technical knowledge.

Who invented mobile phone? It's Motorola. Where are they now? Not on the top certainly. On the lawsuit, I'm not sure how it ended but I'm sure the ruling wasn't against Huawei

From the way I see this conversation is going, you are trying to find any way you could bash Huawei so the discussion keep changing.

It's not normal for people to switch jobs unless the environment they work in isn't pleasant.Do you value your employees?When your old staffs leave the company they bring along all the knowledge they learned over to the other company.Over a long run, you lose more than you gain.
If your company has very high staff turn around rates, even how good performing or annual results it gives a not so good impression to the public about your workforce treatment.

If a predictability of a equipment failure can be determine 99.99%, it's pretty much DOE don't you think so?

It ended after Huawei agreed with Cisco that they will stop imitating their patents.

Are you Chinese?Well surprise I'm Chinese too.Why do you think I want to bash Huawei?
Of course I want to see my own people succeed in what they do.So please I'm not your enemy, ok.My criticisms are meant to make you aware of your shortcomings.

It is a well known fact that out of the big 3 vendor (NSN, Ericsson and Huawei), Huawei treat its staff the worse.

I used to work in a NSN project but now I am stuck doing Huawei project. I can tell you that the way Huawei do things something really make your blood boil. But there isn't much choice now, Huawei is literally killing NSN and Ericsson with the ways they are getting projects eating up NSN and Ericsson share market.