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TSlocke
post Jan 10 2013, 12:20 AM, updated 8y ago

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I would like to introduce about Solar Power Feed in Tariff (FIT) . This is a new thing in Malaysia but already available some countries like German, Australia and western countries quite some time. Japan also just started not long ago.


1. What is Solar PV?
Basically it is a electrical/electronic system that produce electricity from Sun light that is installed on a building or on the ground.
PV stands for Photovoltaic. The term "photovoltaic" comes from the Greek φῶς (phōs) meaning "light", and from "Volt", the unit of electro-motive force, the volt. (Wikipedia).


2. What is a Feed in Tariff (FIT)?
Feed in Tariff is a special tariff rate that TNB would buy electricity from the Solar PV owner. The FIT rate for 2013 is around 4x of TNB residential Tariff rate, this means TNB is buying at a 4x tariff rate compare to the tariff rate that they are selling. The FIT is govern by Sustainable Energy Development Authority Malaysia. (SEDA)


3. How to apply for the Feed in Tariff?
Yoou could engage a SEDA/ISPQ qualified Solar System Integrator or service provider to apply for the Feed in Tariff.


4. Could i apply it myself?
Technically you could do so. Please visit the SEDA site (http://seda.gov.my/) there are tutorials and forms in the site that woud guide you for the application.


5. What is the duration of the Feed in Tariff?
The duration would be 21 years. Basically TNB would sign a contract with the FIT rate with the Solar PV owner for 21 years.


6. How do we see the money?
An additional PV meter (similiar to TNB meter) would be install to record down the electricity generated by the Solar PV system. TNB would pay you based on the unit (kWH) generated multiply by the Feed in Tariff Rate.


7. What is the ROI?
The ROI roughly would be ~10%-20%* *this an estimation only and depends on the solar pv location, geographical condition, design, and many other factors. Please consult your service provider/system integrator to provide the calculation.


Please visit the official government website http://seda.gov.my/ for more details.

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post Jan 10 2013, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(locke @ Jan 10 2013, 12:20 AM)
I would like to introduce about Solar PV Feed in Tariff (FIT) . This is a new thing in Malaysia but already available some countries like German and western countries quite some time. Japan also just started not long ago.
1. What is Solar PV?
Basically it is a electrical/electronic system that produce electricity from Sun light that is installed on a building or on the ground.
PV stands for Photovoltaic. The term "photovoltaic" comes from the Greek φῶς (phōs) meaning "light", and from "Volt", the unit of electro-motive force, the volt. (Wikipedia).
2. What is a Feed in Tariff (FIT)?
Feed in Tariff is a special tariff rate that TNB would buy electricity from the Solar PV owner. The FIT rate for 2013 is around 4x of TNB residential Tariff rate, this means TNB is buying at a 4x tariff rate compare to the tariff rate that they are selling. The FIT is govern by Sustainable Energy Development Authority Malaysia. (SEDA)
3. How to apply for the Feed in Tariff?
Yoou could engage a SEDA/ISPQ qualified Solar System Integrator or service provider to apply for the Feed in Tariff.
4. Could i apply it myself?
Technically you could do so. Please visit the SEDA site (http://seda.gov.my/) there are tutorials and forms in the site that woud guide you for the application.
5. What is the duration of the Feed in Tariff?
The duration would be 21 years. Basically TNB would sign a contract with the FIT rate with the Solar PV owner for 21 years.
6. How do we see the money?
An additional PV meter (similiar to TNB meter) would be install to record down the electricity generated by the Solar PV system. TNB would pay you based on the unit (kWH) generated multiply by the Feed in Tariff Rate.
7. What is the ROI?
The ROI roughly would be ~12%-17%*. Please consult your service provider/system integrator.
*this an estimation only and depends on the solar pv location, geographical condition, design, and many other factors.
Please visit the official government website http://seda.gov.my/ for more details.

I would update the post later with more details when there is more time.
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locke,

Yup, I heard about this scheme some time back, but don't know that it has started operations. Perhaps you could furnish us with more detailed information like the following:

1. Cost of installation (estimation)
2. The output based on size
3. Example computation of profits
4. Additional contractual terms and conditions (location, size, types of properties, etc)
5. Frequency of payment and payment methods

These additional information could be very helpful to the interested parties.
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post Jan 10 2013, 02:50 PM

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I did the maths for a very large private installtion. ROI is nowhere near the stated % even if you it as building material to maximise the FiT.

reason - the following has to be considered:

depreciation/write off
maintenance
insurance for the installation

+ income from FiT is taxable
+ expenses and write off are not possible for private installation

at the end of the day even on a large installation the ROI is so small that it's not worth undertaking the venture from an investment POV. if i remember correctly effective ROI barely hit 3% and that was only because the installed size was 26KwP for my house.

if you can give me a calculation for 26 KwP that gives me 10% please (and i mean it!) get in touch with me ASAP. i have approved funding from my bank for the entire installtion to cover total roof with solar and replace existing roof. BUT i will only do it if it's a good and safe investment.
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QUOTE(PJusa @ Jan 10 2013, 02:50 PM)
I did the maths for a very large private installtion. ROI is nowhere near the stated % even if you it as building material to maximise the FiT.

reason - the following has to be considered:

depreciation/write off
maintenance
insurance for the installation

+ income from FiT is taxable
+ expenses and write off are not possible for private installation

at the end of the day even on a large installation the ROI is so small that it's not worth undertaking the venture from an investment POV. if i remember correctly effective ROI barely hit 3% and that was only because the installed size was 26KwP for my house.

if you can give me a calculation for 26 KwP that gives me 10% please (and i mean it!) get in touch with me ASAP. i have approved funding from my bank for the entire installtion to cover total roof with solar and replace existing roof. BUT i will only do it if it's a good and safe investment.
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PJusa,

So you have done it and your ROI is a mere 3%? Need to know more if you don't mind smile.gif
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jan 11 2013, 01:39 AM)
PJusa,

So you have done it and your ROI is a mere 3%? Need to know more if you don't mind smile.gif
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No Jordy, he did the maths for it, not the actual installation.

To TS: Please provide more info. I've been interested in this for years. If it's finally viable, I'd be happy to test it out. rclxms.gif
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Corrupted scheme ...........

we did a large one for the company............come end 2011.......

everything was taken up in 30 mins!
AND this was through the e-submitting.
Took a consulatnt more than an hour to put through the docs.
How can the quotas be taken up in less than half an hour?

Guess who gotta the bulk of the quota? Oh Malaysia! icon_question.gif

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PETALING JAYA: Pakatan Rakyat alleged today that the daughter of the former chief secretary to the government has monopoly over the newly introduced resalable alternative energy scheme and wants Putrajaya to respond immediately.

DAP national publicity chief Tony Pua claimed research shows that Suzi Suliana, the daughter of Mohd Sidek Hassan, controls more than 32% or 45MW from the quota set for solar energy via the Feed-In Tariff (FiT) mechanism, far above the limit of 1MW-5W to companies.

Under the FiT programme, power generated from renewable energy would be resold through the Sustainable Energy Development Authority.

The energy is sold back to consumers by Tenaga Nasional Bhd at a subsidised price.

This is provided for under the Sustainable Energy Development Authority Act 2011.

The FiT scheme was aimed at developing the use of renewable energy in the country and is funded by the public via the consumers through a 1% increase in power rates for those using more than 300kWh.

The programme falls under the purview of the Energy, Green Technology and Water Ministry, which promised to prevent monopolisation and favouritism to any FiT applicants.

Suzi, however, was said to have secured the contracts through direct ownership of three companies and nine others through partnerships despite the government’s pledge to disallow any form of preferential treatment.

Less for big players

The companies are Sun Energy Ventures Sdn Bhd which owns 98% of three other companies – Hundred Tech Sdn Bhd, Indo Eagle Sdn Bhd and Sharp Crest Sdn Bhd, which then holds 51% stakes in nine other companies.

“What is more shocking is the fact that all of these companies except for Sun Ventures (May 2010) and Uptown Sdn Bhd (September 2011), were set up only in November,” Pua told reporters here.

This is less than a month before applications for the permits were supposed to have been given out in December 2011, added the Petaling Jaya Utara MP.

“It only proves that none of these companies have any track record or experience with solar power generation but they were still given the lion’s share of the lucrative power quota,” Pua said.

All these companies secured quotas far above those allocated for established players like Cypark and Petronas Power which received 9.2% and 7.1% respectively.

The DAP leader said energy minister Peter Chin and Seda chairman Fong Chan Onn must now explain to the public on the alleged discrepancy in the contract award process.

“The award has also created a lot of disquiet and unhappiness in the renewable energy industry, with many players claiming foul play and favouritism in the award of the quota.”


http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...power-business/
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Why so many in KLIA? What are they supplying?
I am actually very interested in this Solar PV, however the cost and redtape is high. I have a friend working in a company that will deal with all paperwork and installation. Its just sad that Malaysia is like this.
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jan 11 2013, 01:39 AM)
PJusa,

So you have done it and your ROI is a mere 3%? Need to know more if you don't mind smile.gif
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Hi Jordy.

Sorry for butting in - just sharing my personal findings from 2011 and 2013 (recent update) in the ZIPped Excel.
Please note U'd need the XIRR() function to work by installing the Analysis Toolpack to see the CAGR.

Still not worthwhile to me (VS other options of greening/investing) coz:
a. Tax (as shared by fellow forumers earlier)
b. The effective/actual kWh/day generated by a solar system per kWp is still highly dependant on installation & type of solar panels (see the "Comments" in cell C1 of the 2013 worksheet)

Just a thought. By the way, i numbers are not "gospel truths" yar, just dredged up via talking with vendors & googling notworthy.gif

PS: Fellow forumers - U can change the YELLOW & RED cells in the worksheet 2013 like "26%" (tax rate) and stuff for your own forecasting to see "worth it or not" VS other usages of your time & $.

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 11 2013, 12:50 PM)
Hi Jordy.

Sorry for butting in - just sharing my personal findings from 2011 and 2013 (recent update) in the ZIPped Excel.
Please note U'd need the XIRR() function to work by installing the Analysis Toolpack to see the CAGR.

Still not worthwhile to me (VS other options of greening/investing) coz:
a. Tax (as shared by fellow forumers earlier)
b. The effective/actual kWh/day generated by a solar system per kWp is still highly dependant on installation & type of solar panels (see the "Comments" in cell C1 of the 2013 worksheet)

Just a thought. By the way, i numbers are not "gospel truths" yar, just dredged up via talking with vendors & googling  notworthy.gif

PS: Fellow forumers - U can change the YELLOW & RED cells in the worksheet 2013 like "26%" (tax rate) and stuff for your own forecasting to see "worth it or not" VS other usages of your time & $.
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wongmunkeong,

Thank you VERY much for sharing this! I need some time to digest this spreadsheet, but nonetheless kudos to you my friend smile.gif
Would really want to meet up with you to discuss regarding your findings. I would like to hear about your input.
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post Jan 12 2013, 11:10 AM

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The solar generation is dependant on the location. The spreadsheet seems to be created by someone from UK.

Please take note that UK is one of the location with the lowest solar irradiation while Malaysia is somewhere in the middle to upper middle region.
The solar irradiation is also affected by the tilt angle and the facing direction, so it can be different even in the same location.

Please do a site survey or consult the system integrator to perform site survey before calculating instead of plucking variables from the air.
To maximize the generation, we would try to avoid any shadow like trees of tall building over shadowing the location.

The next thing to consider to maximize the solar generation is the design, type of solar panel/inverter and the size of the installation. That would be another topic.

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jan 10 2013, 02:31 PM)
locke,

Yup, I heard about this scheme some time back, but don't know that it has started operations. Perhaps you could furnish us with more detailed information like the following:

1. Cost of installation (estimation)
2. The output based on size
3. Example computation of profits
4. Additional contractual terms and conditions (location, size, types of properties, etc)
5. Frequency of payment and payment methods

These additional information could be very helpful to the interested parties.
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Dear Jordy,

The cost of installation or RM/kWp would differs depend on the size but the overall cost would go down with the increase of size.
A site survey is needed at least to estimate the output and computations.
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QUOTE(locke @ Jan 12 2013, 11:10 AM)
The solar generation is dependant on the location. The spreadsheet seems to be created by someone from UK.

Please take note that UK is one of the location with the lowest solar irradiation while Malaysia is somewhere in the middle to upper middle region.
The solar irradiation is also affected by the tilt angle and the facing direction, so it can be different even in the same location.

Please do a site survey or consult the system integrator to perform site survey before calculating instead of plucking variables from the air.
To maximize the generation, we would try to avoid any shadow like trees of tall building over shadowing the location.

The next thing to consider to maximize the solar generation is the design, type of solar panel/inverter and the size of the installation. That would be another topic.
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Locke, if I may, please ensure your foot is not in yr mouth & find out first before assUme-Ing. I'm a local fler & that spreadsheet was based on 4 vendors info + googling local + world setup of solar panels on residential. if U actually took the pains to read the remarks for the kWh/day U'd have noticed some stuff.

3 of the 4 vendors had the decency to pop over & survey then educate & quote, unlike some others hiding & demanding documents to be signed first. Would U want me to assUme, like U, what kind of vendor U are? Do onto others as U want others to do onto thee.

This post has been edited by wongmunkeong: Jan 12 2013, 09:28 PM
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jan 11 2013, 07:56 PM)
wongmunkeong,

Thank you VERY much for sharing this! I need some time to digest this spreadsheet, but nonetheless kudos to you my friend smile.gif
Would really want to meet up with you to discuss regarding your findings. I would like to hear about your input.
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Hi Jordy,

Nah - apparently i'm a UK fler, i guess Locke would be your best bet here. Good luck (and i really mean it from my heart if he/she/it is your best bet).

This post has been edited by wongmunkeong: Jan 12 2013, 09:34 PM
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wongmunkeong,

thanks for sharing. will take a look - looks like we came to the same conclusion though.

to all:

my numbers are based on serveral vendors coming to my site, proposing various panel types and taking into consideration my roof slant and direction etc. it also considers a huge economies of scale due to the size. before factoring in depreciation, income tax, maintenance, standard write-off and degradtion in yield the ROI for a 23 kWp installtion was under ideal yet real life conditions 9%, after factoring in a 25 yrs write off for the panels and 10yrs for the the inverters maintenance, sinking for repairs etc. you already end up with 4% (at least) to minus.

and your personal tax rate for example 26% also goes away - but from the FiT payments (!) i.e. 9 % becomes 6.66% only.

then minus 4% for the above and you end up with 2.66% effective ROI. that stinks.

for smaller scale installation i reckon the effective RÒI is even less. i am better off putting the money in a FD like that.

for business the maths are nicer because inlike me they can use expenditures and write offs to deduct against FiT payments.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 11 2013, 12:50 PM)
Hi Jordy.

Sorry for butting in - just sharing my personal findings from 2011 and 2013 (recent update) in the ZIPped Excel.
Please note U'd need the XIRR() function to work by installing the Analysis Toolpack to see the CAGR.

Still not worthwhile to me (VS other options of greening/investing) coz:
a. Tax (as shared by fellow forumers earlier)
b. The effective/actual kWh/day generated by a solar system per kWp is still highly dependant on installation & type of solar panels (see the "Comments" in cell C1 of the 2013 worksheet)

Just a thought. By the way, i numbers are not "gospel truths" yar, just dredged up via talking with vendors & googling  notworthy.gif

PS: Fellow forumers - U can change the YELLOW & RED cells in the worksheet 2013 like "26%" (tax rate) and stuff for your own forecasting to see "worth it or not" VS other usages of your time & $.
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really notworthy.gif the efforts that u put on the excel file ...... notworthy.gif been approched by two ppl in one week only now i can sit down to look at the scheme. seems like put money in reits and FD is peace of minds ....... (ps: for me smile.gif)
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QUOTE(cwhong @ Jan 14 2013, 12:50 AM)
really  notworthy.gif the efforts that u put on the excel file ......  notworthy.gif  been approched by two ppl in one week only now i can sit down to look at the scheme. seems like put money in reits and FD is peace of minds ....... (ps: for me smile.gif)
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Well, if one were to install in their retired (ie. no income officially) parents' home... quite ok geh the returns coz no tax.
But at our tax rates, yup - REITs and even FD is better, keeping in mind the 20+ years lock-in period & disposal/removal cost (if one wishes to "end it").

Note - i read that the contract with TNB is between property owner & TNB, thus i can't "put the contract" to my mother when the installation is on my property heheh. Dang... dunno if any other loopholes - hey, i'm all for going green but not at the expense of nuking my investment returns sweat.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 14 2013, 07:30 AM)
Well, if one were to install in their retired (ie. no income officially) parents' home... quite ok geh the returns coz no tax.
But at our tax rates, yup - REITs and even FD is better, keeping in mind the 20+ years lock-in period & disposal/removal cost (if one wishes to "end it").

Note - i read that the contract with TNB is between property owner & TNB, thus i can't "put the contract" to my mother when the installation is on my property heheh. Dang... dunno if any other loopholes - hey, i'm all for going green but not at the expense of nuking my investment returns  sweat.gif
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true..unless ur house has ur parents name in it too? lolz
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jan 14 2013, 07:30 AM)
Well, if one were to install in their retired (ie. no income officially) parents' home... quite ok geh the returns coz no tax.
But at our tax rates, yup - REITs and even FD is better, keeping in mind the 20+ years lock-in period & disposal/removal cost (if one wishes to "end it").

Note - i read that the contract with TNB is between property owner & TNB, thus i can't "put the contract" to my mother when the installation is on my property heheh. Dang... dunno if any other loopholes - hey, i'm all for going green but not at the expense of nuking my investment returns  sweat.gif
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I've read some claim that able to yield double digit return per annum, after seeing your worksheet, only single digit return per annum rclxub.gif
I'm not sure the Solar Panel able to claim capital allowance to offset against chargeable income, if yes then the yield would be attractive.

Anyway thanks for your worksheet notworthy.gif
My mainly concern is the durability of solar panel, most likely going to write off if the panel is spoil
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The applicant can be not the owner of site but need to have the letter of agreement that the the applicant can utilise the site for at least the minimum duration of the FIT.
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Most solar panels manufacturers priced their products for 5+ years pay back period.

Solar panels manufacturers only tell output of solar cell but not losses on conversion from DC to AC.

Existing roofs structure are not designed to take any additional load.

Like solar water heater, by the time you recover your investment, it is time for you to replace with new units.

Solar electric is nothing new if it is feasible, many would have installed by now.

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Jan 10 2013, 02:50 PM)
I did the maths for a very large private installtion. ROI is nowhere near the stated % even if you it as building material to maximise the FiT.

reason - the following has to be considered:

depreciation/write off
maintenance
insurance for the installation

+ income from FiT is taxable
+ expenses and write off are not possible for private installation

at the end of the day even on a large installation the ROI is so small that it's not worth undertaking the venture from an investment POV. if i remember correctly effective ROI barely hit 3% and that was only because the installed size was 26KwP for my house.

if you can give me a calculation for 26 KwP that gives me 10% please (and i mean it!) get in touch with me ASAP. i have approved funding from my bank for the entire installtion to cover total roof with solar and replace existing roof. BUT i will only do it if it's a good and safe investment.
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bro, 26kWp for private installation? the max quota allowed for individual installation is 12kWp. even if you have the funding to install up to 26kWp, you still won't get the FiA from SEDA. if you wanna install up to 12kWp, i will pass your contact to my partner to contact you for further discussion. average per kW price is RM10,000 (including panel, inverter, mounting structure, cabling, testing & commissioning. cheers...
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QUOTE(venven81 @ Jan 15 2013, 03:22 PM)
bro, 26kWp for private installation? the max quota allowed for individual installation is 12kWp. even if you have the funding to install up to 26kWp, you still won't get the FiA from SEDA. if you wanna install up to 12kWp, i will pass your contact to my partner to contact you for further discussion. average per kW price is RM10,000 (including panel, inverter, mounting structure, cabling, testing & commissioning. cheers...
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At RM10,000 per kW is equivalent to RM10 million (US$3.3 million) per MW is 3 times more expensive than hydro power station.

To generate 1kWp, need how many m2 solar panel?

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yap 26 KwP - as I have the proposal(s) with me and all I am pretty sure it wont be an issue for private. And 10k is pretty close to my price albeit price will vary depending on the panel and inverter choices one makes.

Yet its not worth my money - I would have done it at 8% but at the current yield and considering I dont have a contract to sell at a specific rate after TNB FiT contract ends its simply not worth doing it unless you feel the you really should go green.

for 12 KwP the return is even more suck cause you loose some economies of scale. and the sad thing: i have a huge roof, perfect slope and sun-alignment. still its not worth it. if you feel different: my roof would be up for rental for 18k annual rent. you will have to take of the rest though.
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looks like no one has installed PV system with FIT rate.

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does the 24kWp generate 100% output throughout the year, my consultant told me that solar panels best install facing south.
If your house roof is facing north at one side and south for the other, the north side roof might not be good for installation because you might get shadow for few months and shadow will affect the solar panel from generating energy.
My best quotation is only 4kWp which 1kWp is around 12-17k
Big kWp doesn't guaranty big ROI, maximizing efficiency of solar panel will guaranty ROI, true?
One thing I want to find out is can we get FIT approval first before start committing to installation?

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QUOTE(lamdogkc @ Jan 30 2013, 08:46 PM)
does the 24kWp generate 100% output throughout the year, my consultant told me that solar panels best install facing south.
If your house roof is facing north at one side and south for the other, the north side roof might not be good for installation because you might get shadow for few months and shadow will affect the solar panel from generating energy.
My best quotation is only 4kWp which 1kWp is around 12-17k
Big kWp doesn't guaranty big ROI, maximizing efficiency of solar panel will guaranty ROI, true?
One thing I want to find out is can we get FIT approval first before start committing to installation?
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The shadow for few months part is misleading and not correct. Malaysia is 3 degrees north of equator, the panel best to face south towards equator because the sun is on top of the equator most of the time. However the difference is minimal.
1kWP around 12-17k price is the high side and a good system integrator should be able to quote not only 4kWp.
Typically the bigger the kWp the price per kWp would go down and the ROI would increase. Due to scale of economic.
The efficiency of solar system depens on the design, you can consult the system integrator on this.
Normally we get FIT approval before installation start.

This post has been edited by locke: Jan 30 2013, 11:48 PM
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QUOTE(avereng @ Jan 29 2013, 03:35 PM)
looks like no one has installed PV system with FIT rate.
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My PV system installed after getting FiT approval. Not own use.
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My PV system installed after getting FiT approval. Not own use.
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how many kV? cost? how much does it make?
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how many kV?  cost? how much does it make?
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My installation is 7.7kW. Cost is RM70k-80k (Dont want to disclose price in forum)
Up to now, my system still performance up to expectation but no payment from TNB yet.
Expect to be RM1k return a month.

You interested?
You can ask Locke. He is system installer.
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QUOTE(lamdogkc @ Jan 30 2013, 08:46 PM)
does the 24kWp generate 100% output throughout the year, my consultant told me that solar panels best install facing south.
If your house roof is facing north at one side and south for the other, the north side roof might not be good for installation because you might get shadow for few months and shadow will affect the solar panel from generating energy.
My best quotation is only 4kWp which 1kWp is around 12-17k
Big kWp doesn't guaranty big ROI, maximizing efficiency of solar panel will guaranty ROI, true?
One thing I want to find out is can we get FIT approval first before start committing to installation?
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like what locke said, the bigger the system, the cheaper it is per kWp. and the best is to get the FiT approved first before you start installation. however, you might want to engage an SI to get the approval done for you coz when you try to do it on your own, i bet the first thing you will say when looking at the registration form is "Oh my god... how am i going to do this?" biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(avereng @ Feb 4 2013, 01:25 PM)
My installation is 7.7kW. Cost is RM70k-80k (Dont want to disclose price in forum)
Up to now, my system still performance up to expectation but no payment from TNB yet.
Expect to be RM1k return a month.

You interested?
You can ask Locke. He is system installer.
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Thanks. Best response so far smile.gif
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My installation is 7.7kW. Cost is RM70k-80k (Dont want to disclose price in forum)
Up to now, my system still performance up to expectation but no payment from TNB yet.
Expect to be RM1k return a month.

You interested?
You can ask Locke. He is system installer.
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Thanks for sharing,
Just want to ask why no payment from TNB yet? Already how many months?


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Thanks for sharing,
Just want to ask why no payment from TNB yet? Already how many months?
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Why no payment?
From what I know, last yr Dec huge surge in PV installation. (Up to 2-300+).
When we register for FIT, we are receiving payment from tnb, this make us as vendor to tnb. We sell elec, tnb pay
tnb as huge company, process to register as vendor takes months. I think most ppl working experience will you this. Further, acc dept will put down payment terms, standard 60 days, only 2 days in a month to process payment.

I will expecting 1st payment in Mac 13. Of course, I hope it will be Feb.

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I have compiled some of the readings and questions came to me about this Solar FIT as an investment, feel free to check my blog and maybe your comments and view ... my head is spinning not sure is it really a good investment ....

http://investmaze.blogspot.com/2013/02/sol...rch-part-i.html
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QUOTE(lyksell @ Feb 7 2013, 01:35 PM)
I have compiled some of the readings and questions came to me about this Solar FIT as an investment, feel free to check my blog and maybe your comments and view ... my head is spinning not sure is it really a good investment ....

http://investmaze.blogspot.com/2013/02/sol...rch-part-i.html
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You did a pretty good study.
As you are not sure yet, you can try to get some quotations and WAIT......
From my installation experience, in order to enjoy 2013 FIT rate, you can hold application submission till Aug.

Any submission after that will have high risk to have Testing & Commission in 2014 and get 2014 FIT rate
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You did a pretty good study.
As you are not sure yet, you can try to get some quotations and WAIT......
From my installation experience, in order to enjoy 2013 FIT rate, you can hold application submission till Aug.

Any submission after that will have high risk to have Testing & Commission in 2014 and get 2014 FIT rate
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Hi, Thanks for the pointer, will keep that in mind.
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Solar PV FIT updates from 26th Feb briefing with SEDA at UNITEN:

For Individual applications:
- Maximum capacity per application: 12 kWp
- Maximum Feed In Application (FiA): 2 applications per individual
- Maximum total capacity per individual: 24 kWp
- Application charge: RM10 per kWp and minimum RM100
- Processing charge: RM100 (online), RM200 (manual)
- FiA Transfer charge: RM1000 ( sell property etc)
- FiA Transfer charge: RM200 (pass away)
- Feed in Applicant(FiA) and property owner can be different person (parents, siblings, children and etc)

For Company applications:
- Maximum capacity per company: 30 MWp
- Maximum capacity per individual in company: 5MWp
- Company need to declare shareholder until individual, PLC, GLC or foreign company
- Announced 20 MWp quota for Solar PV system < 500kWp announced for end of Mar 2013
- For capacity > 24kWP, regessesion rate changed from -8% yearly to -20% yearly starting 2013
- Company need to have paid up capital of 20k for <24kWp and 50k for >24kWp

For Community applications:
- Proposal for community application for house of worship, hall, etc and max capacity 24kWp

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Solar PV FIT updates from 26th Feb briefing with SEDA at UNITEN:

For Individual applications:
- Maximum capacity per application: 12 kWp
- Maximum Feed In Application (FiA): 2 applications per individual
- Maximum total capacity per individual: 24 kWp
- Application charge: RM10 per kWp and minimum RM100
- Processing charge: RM100 (online), RM200 (manual)
- FiA Transfer charge: RM1000 ( sell property etc)
- FiA Transfer charge: RM200 (pass away)
- Feed in Applicant(FiA) and property owner can be different person (parents, siblings, children and etc)

For Company applications:
- Maximum capacity per company: 30 MWp
- Maximum capaciy per individual in company: 5MWp
- Announced 20 MWp quota for Solar PV system < 500kWp announced for end of Mar 2013
- For capacity > 24kWP, regessesion rate changed from -8% yearly to -20% yearly starting 2013
- Company need to have paid up capital of 20k for <24kWp and 50k for >24kWp

For Community applications:
- Proposal for community application for house of worship, hall, etc and max capacity 24kWp
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Thanks for your update and sharing

Do SEDA come with SOP for FiA transfer?
FiA and property owner can be different person but must be closely related within family?

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Thanks for your update and sharing

Do SEDA come with SOP for FiA transfer?
FiA and property owner can be different person but must be closely related within family?
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The SOP would need to consult with SEDA or they would update in thier website later.

What i understand is family related would be easier to apply compared to strangers would need more legal related documentations.
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The SOP would need to consult with SEDA or they would update in thier website later.

What i understand is family related would be easier to apply compared to strangers would need more legal related documentations.
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Why no payment?
From what I know, last yr Dec huge surge in PV installation. (Up to 2-300+).
When we register for FIT, we are receiving payment from tnb, this make us as vendor to tnb. We sell elec, tnb pay
tnb as huge company, process to register as vendor takes months. I think most ppl working experience will you this. Further, acc dept will put down payment terms, standard 60 days, only 2 days in a month to process payment.

I will expecting 1st payment in Mac 13. Of course, I hope it will be Feb.
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Hi avereng, I'm interested in knowing if tnb has paid you? Hehe. Thanks smile.gif
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Like Avereng, I still have not received payment from TNB yet. I have a 3.92Kwp system installed and commissioned since eo Dec 2012. I did receive invoice that TNB is owing me 2 months worth of power generation...
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Hi avereng, I'm interested in knowing if tnb has paid you? Hehe. Thanks smile.gif
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Yesterday I called TNB for inquiry. The Customer Service noted down my info and promised call me back. After a few hours, she called me back. She said TNB Subang branch NEVER take my FiT meter reading since Dec 2012 commissioning. She filed in complaint to the THB Subang Branch and notified SEDA regarding my problem.
She didn't help me solve the problem but she acknowledged the problem and did the right thing. I'm suprised that TNB Customer Service filed complaint to SEDA because TNB Subang not performing.

At the same day, my friend in Klang received good news. He received TNB invoice for FiT. He should received payment in 1-2 weeks. IMHO, TNB Klang performed better than TNB Subang

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Just to update status of payment by TNB, first payment has been banked as of today right on the dot as what avereng mentioned.
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Just to update status of payment by TNB, first payment has been banked as of today right on the dot as what avereng mentioned.
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Congrats!! When TNB take your 1st meter reading? Where is your installation? I'm in Puchong
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Congrats!! When TNB take your 1st meter reading? Where is your installation? I'm in Puchong
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Mine is in Penang. 1st reading was on 23/01/13 and second reading on 21/02/13. However they only paid the amount from the first reading.

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I am interested in this, does anyone know any SI or installer in Penang that participate in this Solar PV Feed in Tariff (FIT) ? I need someone to do a study for my house to see how much investment i have to make and whether it is worth to invest or not. thanks


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I am interested in this, does anyone know any SI or installer in Penang that participate in this Solar PV Feed in Tariff (FIT) ? I need someone to do a study for my house to see how much investment i have to make and whether it is worth to invest or not. thanks
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Email have been sent to you for yor enquiry.
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Australia installed 1 million rooftop Solar Power Systems

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1,000,000+ Rooftop Solar Power Systems Installed In Australia

by Energy Matters

More than one million solar panel systems have been installed on the rooftops of homes and businesses throughout the nation.
   
According to a Sydney Morning Herald article, the milestone was passed last month states an analysis by SunWiz Consulting; which found 1,011,478 systems had been installed by the end of March. This figure does not include solar hot water systems.
   
It wasn't that long ago the 1 million mark seemed like a pipe dream - in 2001 only 118 Australian homes had solar panels installed.
   
According to the Australian Bureau of Statistics; between 2001 and 2011, Renewable Energy Certificate data shows the number of households installing solar power systems rose from 118 to 85,550 in 2009, then increased to 639,803 in 2011.
   
By July last year, 750,000+ Australian households had installed solar panels and by January 31 this year, the number of small rooftop solar power systems in the country had increased to 956,000.
   
The growth in installations continues even in the face of reduced incentives due to a sharp decrease in the price of systems and continual increases in the cost of electricity.
 
According to national solar solutions provider Energy Matters, a 5kW system the company currently has on special can provide a financial benefit of up to $2,540 annually, depending on installation location.
   
However, the decrease in system costs may not go on forever. The situation could be rapidly reversed by due to currency exchange issues, such as that occurred during part of 2009 when a crash in the value of the Australian dollar saw prices for solar power rise substantially for a period.
   
Additionally, last month we reported the possibility of the cost of solar panels rising after four prices rises from PV manufacturers shipping into Australia were noted.
   
Another threat to record low pricing is the possible reduction in the value of government incentives, currently worth more than $1,600 depending on the size of the system and location of installation.

http://www.energymatters.com.au/index.php?...article_id=3674



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Email have been sent to you for yor enquiry.
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I am interested to find out more about this and would like to understand whether it is feasible to install the solar panel. I am from Penang also.
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Like Avereng, I still have not received payment from TNB yet. I have a 3.92Kwp system installed and commissioned since eo Dec 2012. I did receive invoice that TNB is owing me 2 months worth of power generation...
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how much you pay for the 3.92Kwp system?
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Like Avereng, I still have not received payment from TNB yet. I have a 3.92Kwp system installed and commissioned since eo Dec 2012. I did receive invoice that TNB is owing me 2 months worth of power generation...
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wat's the total cost of this 3.92Kwp investment and does that included reinforcement of the roof? hmm.gif
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I got a quotation of RM 11,000 /kWP from a vendor. It is an integrated type of solar panel.

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Like Avereng, I still have not received payment from TNB yet. I have a 3.92Kwp system installed and commissioned since eo Dec 2012. I did receive invoice that TNB is owing me 2 months worth of power generation...
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how much it cost u to install 3.92kWp?
and how big is the space consumed?
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how much it cost u to install 3.92kWp?
and how big is the space consumed?
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So many solar system integrators nowaday in the market doing free house survey and consultation. I got 4 contractors quoting me before I installed to my house. Various solar panel materials display varying efficiencies and have varying costs; please do comparison before choosing one. Mine peace of mind deal rclxms.gif Already collect $$$ from TNB for the last 3 months.
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QUOTE(airkuning @ May 16 2013, 01:51 PM)
So many solar system integrators nowaday in the market doing free house survey and consultation. I got 4 contractors quoting me before I installed to my house. Various solar panel materials display varying efficiencies and have varying costs; please do comparison before choosing one. Mine peace of mind deal  rclxms.gif Already collect $$$ from TNB for the last 3 months.
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but to be able to achieve 1kWp is already cost u around thousand ringgit right?
how much worth is it? how many years it take to recover all the expenses?

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this technology is still expensive. monetary investment point of view, it is not good as there are other investments with better returns. but if we want to save the earth, then it is a different matter. IMHO.

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The cost becomes more reasonable when looked at as a long term investment. After all, you are pre-paying for your electricity at a fixed rate next 5 to 6 years before return of capital investment; and then for what could be the rest of your life and providing free energy for your kids and grandkids.

People often complain about a long payback period, but isn't any payback whatsoever a good thing no matter how long? What's the payback on the last car you bought? A PV electric system is a risk free investment with a guaranteed payback.
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QUOTE(airkuning @ May 16 2013, 01:51 PM)
So many solar system integrators nowaday in the market doing free house survey and consultation. I got 4 contractors quoting me before I installed to my house. Various solar panel materials display varying efficiencies and have varying costs; please do comparison before choosing one. Mine peace of mind deal  rclxms.gif Already collect $$$ from TNB for the last 3 months.
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care to share how much you invested? how many KW you installed? and how much you get monthly from TNB in average? We also want to install for 2 old aunts in penang.

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this technology is still expensive. monetary investment point of view, it is not good as there are other investments with better returns. but if we want to save the earth, then it is a different matter. IMHO.
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QUOTE(airkuning @ May 16 2013, 01:51 PM)
So many solar system integrators nowaday in the market doing free house survey and consultation. I got 4 contractors quoting me before I installed to my house. Various solar panel materials display varying efficiencies and have varying costs; please do comparison before choosing one. Mine peace of mind deal  rclxms.gif Already collect $$$ from TNB for the last 3 months.
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Since u already done the comparison, do u mind the share which installer u finally choose? Lazy to do comparison. Interested to install the PV system but dunno which installer to choose. Thanks in advance.
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Very interested in this. Location Butterworth Penang. Anyone care to email me or anything. would love to find out more! C:

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So many solar system integrators nowaday in the market doing free house survey and consultation. I got 4 contractors quoting me before I installed to my house. Various solar panel materials display varying efficiencies and have varying costs; please do comparison before choosing one. Mine peace of mind deal  rclxms.gif Already collect $$$ from TNB for the last 3 months.
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I also received my payment for solar FiT. When you installed and T&C your system?
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I also received my payment for solar FiT. When you installed and T&C your system?
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You just received your first payment yesterday? You got ask for the 2nd meter reading payment?
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You just received your first payment yesterday? You got ask for the 2nd meter reading payment?
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You just received your first payment yesterday? You got ask for the 2nd meter reading payment?
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My first payment received last week.
2nd meter reading? tnb should take self initiative take reading every month. My normal house consumption meter is side by side.
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[quote=locke,Jan 10 2013, 12:20 AM]
I would like to introduce about Solar Power Feed in Tariff (FIT) . This is a new thing in Malaysia but already available some countries like German, Australia and western countries quite some time. Japan also just started not long ago.
1. What is Solar PV?
Basically it is a electrical/electronic system that produce electricity from Sun light that is installed on a building or on the ground.
PV stands for Photovoltaic. The term "photovoltaic" comes from the Greek φῶς (phōs) meaning "light", and from "Volt", the unit of electro-motive force, the volt. (Wikipedia).
2. What is a Feed in Tariff (FIT)?
Feed in Tariff is a special tariff rate that TNB would buy electricity from the Solar PV owner. The FIT rate for 2013 is around 4x of TNB residential Tariff rate, this means TNB is buying at a 4x tariff rate compare to the tariff rate that they are selling. The FIT is govern by Sustainable Energy Development Authority Malaysia. (SEDA)
3. How to apply for the Feed in Tariff?
Yoou could engage a SEDA/ISPQ qualified Solar System Integrator or service provider to apply for the Feed in Tariff.
4. Could i apply it myself?
Technically you could do so. Please visit the SEDA site (http://seda.gov.my/) there are tutorials and forms in the site that woud guide you for the application.
5. What is the duration of the Feed in Tariff?
The duration would be 21 years. Basically TNB would sign a contract with the FIT rate with the Solar PV owner for 21 years.
6. How do we see the money?
An additional PV meter (similiar to TNB meter) would be install to record down the electricity generated by the Solar PV system. TNB would pay you based on the unit (kWH) generated multiply by the Feed in Tariff Rate.
7. What is the ROI?
The ROI roughly would be ~12%-17%* *this an estimation only and depends on the solar pv location, geographical condition, design, and many other factors. Please consult your service provider/system integrator to provide the calculation.

8. How much do we earn actually?
We would earn around RM500-RM2000 passive income per month for typical house/shoplot Solar PV system.
Please visit the official government website http://seda.gov.my/ for more details.
Updates:

Solar PV FIT updates from 26th Feb briefing with SEDA at UNITEN:

For Individual applications:
- Maximum capacity per application: 12 kWp
- Maximum Feed In Application (FiA): 2 applications per individual
- Maximum total capacity per individual: 24 kWp
- Application charge: RM10 per kWp and minimum RM100
- Processing charge: RM100 (online), RM200 (manual)
- FiA Transfer charge: RM1000 ( sell property etc)
- FiA Transfer charge: RM200 (pass away)
- Feed in Applicant(FiA) and property owner can be different person (parents, siblings, children and etc)

For Company applications:
- Maximum capacity per company: 30 MWp
- Maximum capaciy per individual in company: 5MWp
- Announced 20 MWp quota for Solar PV system < 500kWp announced for end of Mar 2013
- For capacity > 24kWP, regessesion rate changed from -8% yearly to -20% yearly starting 2013
- Company need to have paid up capital of 20k for <24kWp and 50k for >24kWp

For Community applications:
- Proposal for community application for house of worship, hall, etc and max capacity 24kWp
I would update the post later with more details when there is more time.
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the hardware used in SOLAR PV FIT got any assigned standard or measurement by SEDA?
possible to do the installation by our own and just ask to install meter and tap to TNB part from you? if yes, how much?

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So many solar system integrators nowaday in the market doing free house survey and consultation. I got 4 contractors quoting me before I installed to my house. Various solar panel materials display varying efficiencies and have varying costs; please do comparison before choosing one. Mine peace of mind deal  rclxms.gif Already collect $$$ from TNB for the last 3 months.
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can u email (contack no) the best PI for me..just got one..tq sweat.gif

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can u email (contack no) the best PI for me..just got one..tq sweat.gif
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any authorised integrator list?
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Must comply to TNB regulations.

If you can proceed the application job and installation job, u also can purchase the meter.
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My first payment received last week.
2nd meter reading? tnb should take self initiative take reading every month. My normal house consumption meter is side by side.
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ya. TNB should take reading every month. They are same person take the reading? For existing meter & RE meter.
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Must comply to TNB regulations.

If you can proceed the application job and installation job, u also can purchase the meter.
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licensed electrician can install the meter?
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licensed electrician can install the meter?
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now change the method already. TNB will bring the RE meter when doing T&C.

Your application must certified by ISPQ.
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now change the method already. TNB will bring the RE meter when doing T&C.

Your application must certified by ISPQ.
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u may go to www.seda.gov.my to check the certified SP. smile.gif
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Dear ectt,

The design of the Solar PV System requires approval from a Qualified Person (Person with a ISPQ/SEDA Certificate of Competency).
We will need FiA (Feed in Approval) from SEDA and REPPA (Renewable Energy Power Purchase Agreement) from TNB before the T&C (Testing and Commisioning).
The installation of the meter could be done by any certified electrician.

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Dear ectt,

The design of the Solar PV System requires approval from a Qualified Person (Person with a ISPQ/SEDA Certificate of Competency).
We will need FiA (Feed in Approval) from SEDA and REPPA (Renewable Energy Power Purchase Agreement) from TNB before the T&C (Testing and Commisioning).
The installation of the meter could be done by any certified electrician.
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You meant we cannot buy our own solar panel? notworthy.gif
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You can buy your own solar panel and inverter.
You can connect to your own house electrical wiring.
If you can buy all required equipment, why dont apply feed in tariff?
The gap between feed in tariff rate and residential electric tariff is huge.
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You could buy your own solar panel/equipment and install it yourself.

But if you want to connect to the TNB grid and sell electricity with the Feed in Tariff rate.

You will need the to go through the certification and application process through SEDA and TNB.
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[quote=locke,Jun 6 2013, 11:40 AM]
You could buy your own solar panel/equipment and install it yourself.

But if you want to connect to the TNB grid and sell electricity with the Feed in Tariff rate.

You will need the to go through the certification and application process through SEDA and TNB.
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so how much are the fee to get the certification and application process notworthy.gif
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Hi,

For those of you who have invested in the solar equipments and all, please share with me some basic data. Say you invested in a 6kW system, how much power in KWh can you sell to TNB per month realistically? On average, how many hours of 'full' sunlight can we use in the payback calculation? Say assuming 5 hours per day of full sun power, so is it realistic to say I can generate 6 kW x 5 hours x 30 days = 900 kWh minimum?

Thank you for your kind sharing.




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QUOTE(Justmua @ Jun 10 2013, 01:21 PM)
Hi,

For those of you who have invested in the solar equipments and all, please share with me some basic data. Say you invested in a 6kW system, how much power in KWh can you sell to TNB per month realistically? On average, how many hours of 'full' sunlight can we use in the payback calculation? Say assuming 5 hours per day of full sun power, so is it realistic to say I can generate 6 kW x 5 hours x 30 days = 900 kWh minimum?

Thank you for your kind sharing.
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same questions as you, free bump
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Alliance Bank offers financing for solar panels.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...4410&sec=nation

PUTRAJAYA: Those intending to cash in on renewable energy (RE) production using solar power may need to go through an open bidding process in future, if demand continues to outstrip the funds available, said Energy, Green Technology and Water Minister Datuk Seri Maximus J. Ongkili.

He said the response to the solar photovoltaic (PV) segment of the Government's Feed-in-Tariff (FiT) system - which pays consumers monthly for energy sent back into the national power grid - has been overwhelming since it was launched in 2011.

"Solar PV is very popular and this is very consistent with the strengths in Malaysia, which is blessed with plenty of solar energy.

"That part of the RE quota is over-subscribed and we must be more efficient in selecting future applications.

"We may look at an open-bidding system depending on the response (to the segment)," he said at the launch of Alliance Bank's Home Complete Plus Solar Panel Financing scheme at the Sustainable Energy Development Agency (Seda) office here Monday.
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Alliance Bank offers financing for solar panels.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...4410&sec=nation

PUTRAJAYA: Those intending to cash in on renewable energy (RE) production using solar power may need to go through an open bidding process in future, if demand continues to outstrip the funds available, said Energy, Green Technology and Water Minister Datuk Seri Maximus J. Ongkili.

He said the response to the solar photovoltaic (PV) segment of the Government's Feed-in-Tariff (FiT) system - which pays consumers monthly for energy sent back into the national power grid - has been overwhelming since it was launched in 2011.

"Solar PV is very popular and this is very consistent with the strengths in Malaysia, which is blessed with plenty of solar energy.

"That part of the RE quota is over-subscribed and we must be more efficient in selecting future applications.

"We may look at an open-bidding system depending on the response (to the segment)," he said at the launch of Alliance Bank's Home Complete Plus Solar Panel Financing scheme at the Sustainable Energy Development Agency (Seda) office here Monday.
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Anyone with details of the financing scheme by Alliance?

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can't believe they change so fast? can't imagine they start to look for excuses to limit green energy? sigh
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Applicable for Sarawak?
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Peninsular Malaysia, Sabah and Labuan available.
Sarawak not available yet.

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Does this work in rural area eg village?
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Does this work in rural area eg village?
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Anyone with details of the financing scheme by Alliance?
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Currently Alliance Bank is offering 10 Years loan with the interest of 6.6%-8.6%P.A[/B][COLOR=blue][SIZE=7]

The loan is applicable for Malaysian aged 21-55 Years(Must be the Owner of Property)

90% Financing of the solar panel value.

Expected rate of return 24.3%

Hope this info may help to give some idea, for more info please contact me. Thanks smile.gif
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[quote=ectt,Jun 6 2013, 03:01 PM]
[quote=locke,Jun 6 2013, 11:40 AM]
You could buy your own solar panel/equipment and install it yourself.

But if you want to connect to the TNB grid and sell electricity with the Feed in Tariff rate.

You will need the to go through the certification and application process through SEDA and TNB.
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so how much are the fee to get the certification and application process notworthy.gif
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I have send a PM regarding your question regarding the certification and application.
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i thot the Alliance Solar Panel Financing is 100% ?

90% 10 year loan.
10% on credit card for 2 years - zero interest rate?

better calculate carefully before committing !
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I have send a PM regarding your question regarding the certification and application.
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Right now it is only applicable for people who have property in Klang Valley. Because it is still new, they do not have any plan to expand the area yet. Maybe if yes I can update it here.

If you have a housing loan with Alliance Bank, you will get BLR+1%, otherwise BLR+2%.

If you're Alliance Personal status, you will get BLR+1% even if you property is not charged under Alliance Bank.

If you're a PB customers, it will be solely based on BLR+0%.

However, the minimum property value must be RM300k and above.
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where is this fantasy (?) rate of return of 24.3% coming from? my ROI based on proposal was slightly BELOW FD-rate,

also for alliance loan: sure only can get BLR+0%? i just got a term loan approved for BLR -2.2% with the property as security. and i am sure i could get it down lower. so the same should apply for a loan for solar panels right?
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edit: the term loan is from alliance that is why i am asking
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where is this fantasy (?) rate of return of 24.3% coming from? my ROI based on proposal was slightly BELOW FD-rate,

also for alliance loan: sure only can get BLR+0%? i just got a term loan approved for BLR -2.2% with the property as security. and i am sure i could get it down lower. so the same should apply for a loan for solar panels right?
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Only if you're a PB customer then you'll get BLR+0%. Since this is a different financing compare to property, plus it is newly launched product, the rate is as stated. However it is based on reducing balance though. The reason why it cannot be lower because property somehow will have its price increased in long term but not for solar panel. I hope this clarifies your questions. I am also learning though.
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On 25th June Tuesday next week, there will be a closed event about solar panel financing. The seats are limited. There will be two installers and the bank staffs to provide details about the financing and the solar panel. From this event, you will get a clear picture of the whole thing.

Date: 25/6/2013 - Tuesday
Venue: Menara Multi Purpose, KL
Time: 12-1pm - Lunch will be provided.
Registration starts at 11:30am.

If anyone of you who are interested to attend, please to pm me to reseave a slot for you smile.gif

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Just a thought:

even at BLR +0% (not even the norm BLR +2%), it'll be more conducive for those with Citibank credit card to tap their cash-on-call at 4.99%pa compounded (not flat rate like car loan) IF can pay off within 4 years.

Citibank's credit card cash-on-call VS Alliance's specialized loan
Pros:
1. Fixed rate of 4.99%pa, not based on BLR +x% as BLR fluctuates
2. Lower overall cost

Cons:
1. Monthly payments higher coz only 4 years VS 10yrs

NOTE:
i'm not attached to either, just sharing what i found
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jun 20 2013, 10:13 AM)
Just a thought:

even at BLR +0% (not even the norm BLR +2%), it'll be more conducive for those with Citibank credit card to tap their cash-on-call at 4.99%pa compounded (not flat rate like car loan) IF can pay off within 4 years.

Citibank's credit card cash-on-call VS Alliance's specialized loan
Pros:
1. Fixed rate of 4.99%pa, not based on BLR +x% as BLR fluctuates
2. Lower overall cost

Cons:
1. Monthly payments higher coz only 4 years VS 10yrs

NOTE:
i'm not attached to either, just sharing what i found
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Well, I would agree with you since the rate is way lower. If credit card holders have that high limit to withdraw that much of cash, then it would be no problem to opt for that. However they need to bear a very firm responsibility to pay up promptly because based on the terms and conditions ( for other banks' credit card), if there's any late or mispayment, the plan will be cancelled off and charged at normal finance rate.

For people who do not have high limit credit cards, may opt for BLR+ x% since the application concept is the same as taking a housing loan. If you pay more, the lesser interest will be charged as per outstanding balance on the coming term.

It depends on which they prefer if they done the calculation right.
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QUOTE(Mrs7yengGuy @ Jun 20 2013, 10:12 AM)
On 25th June Tuesday next week, there will be a closed event about solar panel financing. The seats are limited. There will be two installers and the bank staffs to provide details about the financing and the solar panel. From this event, you will get a clear picture of the whole thing.

Date: 25/6/2013 - Tuesday
Time: 12-1pm - Lunch will be provided.
Registration starts at 11:30am.

If anyone of you who are interested to attend, please to pm me to reseave a slot for you smile.gif
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venue?
registration on site? or online?

where about? only held in one state or other states regularly?
thanks
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registration on site? or online?

where about? only held in one state or other states regularly?
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It is at Menara Multi Purpose KL. It's a private event where I get to invite some. So it would be only once.
If interested can just let me know or PM me for more details as I have only limited seats to be given out.
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QUOTE(Mrs7yengGuy @ Jun 20 2013, 02:22 PM)
It is at Menara Multi Purpose KL. It's a private event where I get to invite some. So it would be only once.
If interested can just let me know or PM me for more details as I have only limited seats to be given out.
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private event? not run by bank?

ok, will pm you if possible to arrange go up, wont b in kl this period.
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For those who located at northern region around perlis/kedah/Penang and interested for solar system, we have strong support team around this area. Feel free to request for quotation for a complete solar system. TQ.
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QUOTE(HWG6676 @ Feb 6 2013, 01:12 AM)
Thanks for sharing,
Just want to ask why no payment from TNB yet? Already how many months?
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pretty hard to get payment from tnb. we are doing mini hydro, the monthly payment is about 300 to 400k. they drag our payment more than 3 months.
almost get us to financial crisis....

they always give the excuse like they are commencing the auto billing system and etc... from my experience you got to call them at least twice per week to check the status...... need to pressure them
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Can forward to me for the same certification/application thing? thanks!

QUOTE(garf @ Jul 1 2013, 10:02 AM)
pretty hard to get payment from tnb. we are doing mini hydro, the monthly payment is about 300 to 400k. they drag our payment more than 3 months.
almost get us to financial crisis....

they always give the excuse like they are commencing the auto billing system and etc... from my experience you got to call them at least twice per week to check the status...... need to pressure them
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Mini hydro? Where are you from? I believe even TNB is not ready for this kind of hype yet if the payment system is slow. But well, everyone is almost the same when it comes to payment.

Where is your project located? Care to share some info with me? I am planning to either do project on my own, or lease the land..
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My system integrator completed the 2.5kWp solar on my rooftop 41 days ago. I have a lot of follow-up calls to both my SI and TNB to get a Testing & Commissioning date before my system is connected to the grid.

arjunaidi in Putrajaya
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So, your system generated electricity for 41 days and it went up in thin air?

Do share with the rest of us of the progress. Thinking of installing one too..

How long it took SEDA to approve your application?

QUOTE(arjunaidi @ Jul 2 2013, 04:21 PM)
My system integrator completed the 2.5kWp solar on my rooftop 41 days ago.  I have a lot of follow-up calls to both my SI and TNB to get a Testing & Commissioning date before my system is connected to the grid.

arjunaidi in Putrajaya
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My system integrator completed the 2.5kWp solar on my rooftop 41 days ago.  I have a lot of follow-up calls to both my SI and TNB to get a Testing & Commissioning date before my system is connected to the grid.

arjunaidi in Putrajaya
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how to arrange with SI and TNB? NOT SYSTEM INTEGRATOR DO for you?
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Can we buy the panel from China and install ourself? or we must buy from the local vendor here and ask them to install?
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Can we buy the panel from China and install ourself? or we must buy from the local vendor here and ask them to install?
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Can forward to me for the same certification/application thing? thanks!
Mini hydro? Where are you from? I believe even TNB is not ready for this kind of hype yet if the payment system is slow. But well, everyone is almost the same when it comes to payment.

Where is your project located? Care to share some info with me? I am planning to either do project on my own, or lease the land..
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Actually not my project. The project owner is my boss. Haha... Anyway, our plant located in kelantan, just few MW in capacity only..

Do u mean u r going to do mini hydro project?


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QUOTE(Justmua @ Jul 2 2013, 04:29 PM)
So, your system generated electricity for 41 days and it went up in thin air?

Do share with the rest of us of the progress. Thinking of installing one too..

How long it took SEDA to approve your application?
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sorry I confused some members here. My SI completed the job of installing the panels 42 days ago but the system cannot be connected to the grid until it is Tested & Commissioned by TNB. any how, I already got TNB date next week for this to happen. I expect my first payment from TNB in Sept 2013 (I give two months delay to be on safe side).

I encourage members to read the comprehensive FAQ at SEDA. It answers most of the questions that people have on RE.

http://seda.gov.my/go-home.php?omaneg=0001...000000000&s=171

Yes, I will share progress of the project at the forum, including some project photos. However, for pricing of the system, do send me a PM. I don't want to be in breach of forum rules.

cheers

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Survey Questionnaire about Building Integrated Photovoltaic System‏‏‏

Dear Sir/ Madam

I am currently a student who is studying Bachelor of Science (HONS) Quantity Surveying in Universiti Tunku Abdul Rahman (UTAR), Setapak Campus. For your information, I am doing my final year project which topic is about “A STUDY ON DESIGN OF THE BUILDING INTEGRATED PHOTOVOLTAIC (BIPV) SYSTEM IN MALAYSIA”. I am gathering the information for it from Solar companies and hoping that Sir/Madam can help me to fill the questionnaire.

In this final year project, I am focused on:
i. To investigate the design of Building Integrated Photovoltaic (BIPV) system in Malaysia.
ii. To compare the new and old generation of Photovoltaic technologies in Malaysia.
iii. To explain the procedure to apply a Photovoltaic System into a building.
iv. To examine whether the non-technical barriers of Building Integrated Photovoltaic (BIPV) Systems is widely adopt in Malaysia.

I would be very grateful if you could access the attached questionnaire mail URL and help me to fill in the questionnaire for a while. Your help is very useful and important for my project and it will be treated with strict confidence.

Please click the link of online survey and help me to fill: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/12BuIb36t4O...Iqh51Q/viewform

Thank you very much and I am looking forward for your reply as soon as possible. Your assistance and cooperation is highly appreciated.

Regards,
TAN CHING TING
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also want an answer clearly, bump notworthy.gif
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u purchase own solar n inverter and ask contractor build it and need TNB approved.

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QUOTE(michealtan19 @ May 22 2013, 04:32 PM)
this technology is still expensive. monetary investment point of view, it is not good as there are other investments with better returns. but if we want to save the earth, then it is a different matter. IMHO.
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actually is cheap, only we make cost expensive
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 15 2013, 01:09 AM)
Most solar panels manufacturers priced their products for 5+ years pay back period.

Solar panels manufacturers only tell output of solar cell but not losses on conversion from DC to AC.

Existing roofs structure are not designed to take any additional load.

Like solar water heater, by the time you recover your investment, it is time for you to replace with new units.

Solar electric is nothing new if it is feasible, many would have installed by now.
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mono crystalline cells and polycrystalline cells and polycrystalline cells

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I am currently a student who is studying Bachelor of Science (HONS) Quantity Surveying in Universiti Tunku Abdul Rahman (UTAR), Setapak Campus. For your information, I am doing my final year project which topic is about “A STUDY ON DESIGN OF THE BUILDING INTEGRATED PHOTOVOLTAIC (BIPV) SYSTEM IN MALAYSIA”. I am gathering the information for it from Solar companies and hoping that Sir/Madam can help me to fill the questionnaire.

In this final year project, I am focused on:
i. To investigate the design of Building Integrated Photovoltaic (BIPV) system in Malaysia.
ii. To compare the new and old generation of Photovoltaic technologies in Malaysia.
iii. To explain the procedure to apply a Photovoltaic System into a building.
iv. To examine whether the non-technical barriers of Building Integrated Photovoltaic (BIPV) Systems is widely adopt in Malaysia.

I would be very grateful if you could access the attached questionnaire mail URL and help me to fill in the questionnaire for a while. Your help is very useful and important for my project and it will be treated with strict confidence.

Please click the link of online survey and help me to fill: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/12BuIb36t4O...Iqh51Q/viewform

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Installed 6kW about half year ago, and now just installed additional 4kW to my second property.
Estimated about 5 years ROI for my first house. thumbup.gif
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5 years ROI is good. What is your average monthly income from TNB for your 6kWp system?

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Installed 6kW about half year ago, and now just installed additional 4kW to my second property.
Estimated about 5 years ROI for my first house. thumbup.gif
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how much was your investment for 4kWp system bro?
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5 years ROI is good.  What is your average monthly income from TNB for your 6kWp system?

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For normal output, 1Kwh solar pv panel can generate 1250Kwh annually (depends on location wisely, north region will get higher output which more than 1250Kwh per year from 1Kwh installation). So 6Kwh, might carry out 7500Kwh output annually.

Based on FIT year 2013 rate, 1Kwh (RM1.104+RM0.2392 = RM1.3432), total 7500Kwh x RM1.3432 = RM10074, so average monthly income is RM839.50 for year 2013.

Let's said the solar performance drop 1% annually, we will get the following cash income for 21 years as following.

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how much was your investment for 4kWp system bro?
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Depends on service provider charges, for 4Kwh installation the price around 40k~45K, what I mean is service provider might quote differently based on their product and service.

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Depends on service provider charges, for 4Kwh installation the price around 40k~45K
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Just to add - there are $35K-$40K ones around as well
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Yes, that's true. Some service provide might quote cheaper cost, but really need to look about their after sales service coverage, product warranty and system warranty.

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Actually not my project. The project owner is my boss. Haha... Anyway, our plant located in kelantan, just few MW in capacity only..

Do u mean u r going to do mini hydro project?
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nahh..might not be doing the mini hydro project at all. working capital is too huge for me.
even for biomass or biogas project would cost me a bomb.

but analysis wise, of course i would want to know more about these kind of projects though. i am planning to develop some area for solar.
how do your boss started it anyway? register things to SEDA first? or have a complete project plan first?
do you know of anyone who solely do solar project on land? (i mean, not the housing one lah)
been trying to locate one, at least to get some ideas of it.

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sorry I confused some members here.  My SI completed the job of installing the panels 42 days ago but the system cannot be connected to the grid until it is Tested & Commissioned by TNB.  any how, I already got TNB date next week for this to happen.  I expect my first payment from TNB in Sept 2013 (I give two months delay to be on safe side).

I encourage members to read the comprehensive FAQ at SEDA.  It answers most of the questions that people have on RE.

http://seda.gov.my/go-home.php?omaneg=0001...000000000&s=171

Yes, I will share progress of the project at the forum, including some project photos.  However, for pricing of the system, do send me a PM.  I don't want to be in breach of forum rules.

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Today my 2.5kWp system is grid-connected after TNB Testing & Commissioning.

T&C completed at 1100h. it was raining and cloudy until 1500h. Production ceased at sunset 1920h. Total production 6kWh, total exported 5kWh.

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Thanks for sharing....

Just curious, why production and export number differs??

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Today my 2.5kWp system is grid-connected after TNB Testing & Commissioning. 

T&C completed at 1100h.  it was raining and cloudy until 1500h.  Production ceased at sunset 1920h.  Total production 6kWh, total exported 5kWh.

sharing some photos here.
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I kWh was consumed by appliances in my home. It was a working day, only my fridge was on, plus some other appliances such as Astro, modem, PC, wireless IP camera, etc on standby mode.


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Hmmm... I've been asking around and was made to understand that due to safety concern, TNB does not allow the solar PV system for self consumption. How come your setup can be used for self consumption?? Please kindly share....

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I kWh was consumed by appliances in my home.  It was a working day, only my fridge was on, plus some other appliances such as Astro, modem, PC, wireless IP camera, etc on standby mode.
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Hmmm... I've been asking around and was made to understand that due to safety concern, TNB does not allow the solar PV system for self consumption. How come your setup can be used for self consumption?? Please kindly share....
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arjunaidi is using a Service Provider for his house application and installation. smile.gif
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I kWh was consumed by appliances in my home.  It was a working day, only my fridge was on, plus some other appliances such as Astro, modem, PC, wireless IP camera, etc on standby mode.
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so you got battery pack installed and a device to switch between self use mode and tnb mode(in-grid mode)? thank you notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(arjunaidi @ Jul 9 2013, 11:16 PM)
Today my 2.5kWp system is grid-connected after TNB Testing & Commissioning. 

T&C completed at 1100h.  it was raining and cloudy until 1500h.  Production ceased at sunset 1920h.  Total production 6kWh, total exported 5kWh.

sharing some photos here.
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Bro, your house roof gradient is very high. Your PV system generation will be lower than others. Your Service Provider told u bout this concern before?
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Bro, your house roof gradient is very high. Your PV system generation will be lower than others. Your Service Provider told u bout this concern before?
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QUOTE(avereng @ Jul 10 2013, 05:38 PM)
Bro, your house roof gradient is very high. Your PV system generation will be lower than others. Your Service Provider told u bout this concern before?
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yes, roof slope is 35 degrees. My Service Provider briefed me on the limitations and I have done much research before investing in the system.

you can't see it in the photo. partial shading at 6.15pm caused by neighbour's rooftop slows production but I am not overly worried by partial shading at this time when the sun is going to set anyway.

I am happy, on Day 2 , my PV generated 10kWh. that's 10 x 1.3708 = RM 13.708, all in a day's work smile.gif
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yes, roof slope is 35 degrees.  My Service Provider briefed me on the limitations and I have done much research before investing in the system.

you can't see it in the photo.  partial shading at 6.15pm caused by neighbour's rooftop slows production but I am not overly worried by partial shading at this time when the sun is going to set anyway.

I am happy, on Day 2 , my PV generated 10kWh. that's 10 x 1.3708 = RM 13.708, all in a day's work  smile.gif
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you mentioned that you can tap the electricity from the solar panel directly use with your home appliance immediately, do you need to install battery to store the energy, or the system you installed allow you to use the solar energy directly without any extra energy storing device?

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you mentioned that you can tap the electricity from the solar panel directly use with your home appliance immediately, do you need to install battery to store the energy, or the system you installed allow you to use the solar energy directly without any extra energy storing device?

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Yeah I could like to hear a little more as well.

From your total investment cost; and how your TNB bills comes to and how you are paid in the return.

My hubby and I had been contemplating was years now; but the investment cost was huge and ROI was more than 10 years, the last we calculated.
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Typical Solar PV installation is Direct Feed In to Grid.
To use electricity by electrical appliance before connect to Grid is called Indirect Feed In and this need special requirement from TNB.

However doesn't matter it is Direct or Indirect Feed In, as long as the System could not detect power from the Grid, it must automatically turn off.
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I installed 4 kW PV Structured Solar System costing about RM50k after getting FIT approvals and Agreement signed with TNB. Electricity generated have been connected to the grid. My system was commissioned in Dec 2012 and until now (more than 6 months) have not received a single cent. I really regret installing the PV system. I was told COO from SEDA can come out with other conditions and rules even after approval and refused to pay as agreed. Many of my friends intending to installed have decided not to do so. INIKAH JANJI DITEPATI – GREEN BECOMES BLUE
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QUOTE(Kasy @ Jul 14 2013, 03:19 AM)
I installed 4 kW PV Structured Solar System costing about RM50k after getting FIT approvals and Agreement signed with TNB.  Electricity generated have been connected to the grid. My system was commissioned in Dec 2012 and until now (more than 6 months) have not received a single cent.  I really regret installing the PV system.  I was told COO from SEDA can come out with other conditions and rules even after approval  and refused to pay as agreed.  Many of my friends intending to installed have decided not to do so.  INIKAH JANJI DITEPATI – GREEN BECOMES BLUE
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whoa.. what happened, Kasy?
Even COO of SEDA have to give reasons/evidence as to breach of contract ma.
Any details to share?
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QUOTE(Kasy @ Jul 14 2013, 03:19 AM)
I installed 4 kW PV Structured Solar System costing about RM50k after getting FIT approvals and Agreement signed with TNB.  Electricity generated have been connected to the grid. My system was commissioned in Dec 2012 and until now (more than 6 months) have not received a single cent.  I really regret installing the PV system.  I was told COO from SEDA can come out with other conditions and rules even after approval  and refused to pay as agreed.  Many of my friends intending to installed have decided not to do so.  INIKAH JANJI DITEPATI – GREEN BECOMES BLUE
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QUOTE(Kasy @ Jul 14 2013, 03:19 AM)
I installed 4 kW PV Structured Solar System costing about RM50k after getting FIT approvals and Agreement signed with TNB.  Electricity generated have been connected to the grid. My system was commissioned in Dec 2012 and until now (more than 6 months) have not received a single cent.  I really regret installing the PV system.  I was told COO from SEDA can come out with other conditions and rules even after approval  and refused to pay as agreed.  Many of my friends intending to installed have decided not to do so.  INIKAH JANJI DITEPATI – GREEN BECOMES BLUE
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Hi Kasy, sorry to hear that but does your service provider provides any help and solution to you? May I know your installation location?
So far, those from Klang Valley, Seremban, Teluk Intan even Kuantan installed last year already received their payment. If you need more information, please PM me. Thanks.

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Hi Kasy, sorry to hear that but does your service provider provides any help and solution to you? May I know your installation location?
So far, those from Klang Valley, Seremban, Teluk Intan even Kuantan installed last year already received their payment. If you need more information, please PM me. Thanks.
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Some of my friends installed their solar PV in April and until today the contractor cannot get TNB to test and commission the system. All the powner generated for more than a month has gone down the drain.
There is an article today in Malaysiakini asking Parliament to push to close down SEDA.
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Some of my friends installed their solar PV in April and until today the contractor cannot get TNB to test and commission the system.  All the powner generated for more than a month has gone down the drain.
There is an article today in Malaysiakini asking Parliament to push to close down SEDA.
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The service provider/contractor should take the responsibility to arrange the test and commission to the installed system with the TNB even the payment, they need to do the follow up as well. That's true, there are some cases delay in payment after T & C last year, like installation in Teluk Intan (the 1st installation at that area), the TNB officer there have no idea of what is Solar FIT as well. After the follow up of service provider and the client called to head office and district office, 1st FIT bill (Total of 5 months) come in May, and no issue with the following month bills. The owner already received his 3rd payment from his bank account.

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QUOTE(Kasy @ Jul 15 2013, 12:17 AM)
Some of my friends installed their solar PV in April and until today the contractor cannot get TNB to test and commission the system.  All the powner generated for more than a month has gone down the drain.
There is an article today in Malaysiakini asking Parliament to push to close down SEDA.
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You have check the reason behind this problem.
My system installed in Dec 2012 and already received payment up to May 2013 generation.
You can call up TNB Solar FiT Dept to check. +603 7967 9000

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Hi,

May I know when did you receive your 1st payment? Thanks.

QUOTE(avereng @ Jul 16 2013, 10:24 AM)
You have check the reason behind this problem.
My system installed in Dec 2012 and already received payment up to May 2013 generation. 
You can call up TNB Solar FiT Dept to check.  +603 7967 9000
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Hi,

May I know when did you receive your 1st payment? Thanks.
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Commission and test on Dec 2012. First payment (Dec 12 - Apr 13 generation) pay in May 2013. Second payment (May 13 generation) in June 2013
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QUOTE(Kasy @ Jul 15 2013, 12:17 AM)
Some of my friends installed their solar PV in April and until today the contractor cannot get TNB to test and commission the system.  All the powner generated for more than a month has gone down the drain.
There is an article today in Malaysiakini asking Parliament to push to close down SEDA.
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SEDA has responded to these allegations. SEDA website is useful, answering many of the questions raised in the forum here. They are not perfect, but they did a good job, imho.

http://seda.gov.my/go-home.php?omaneg=0001...000&y=45&s=2936


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My system was approved as integrated i.e. additional for use as building materials with bonus S02 for additional RM0.25. The solar panel was installed over a steel structure like an awning covering the whole air well on top of the roof. Now the COO said this system does not qualify for integrated because there is no activity under the panel. There are no proper guidelines or terms and conditions which stipulates that there must be activity under the panel. It is only after 6 months after having completed the system and waiting for payment that SEDA COO came out with the condition and told my contractor that the system does not qualify for bonus S02 after having approved my application and sign the REPPA agreement with me. If SEDA have informed me of the condition during my application then I would not have installed the panel and wasted almost RM50,000 of my hard earned money. Now who is at fault, SEDA or contractor? Why must I be penalized for their mistake? The power generated have been feed to the grid for more than 6 months and I have not received a single cent.
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QUOTE(Kasy @ Jul 16 2013, 02:40 PM)
My system was approved as integrated i.e. additional for use as building materials with bonus S02 for additional RM0.25.  The solar panel was installed over a steel structure like an awning covering the whole air well on top of the roof.  Now the COO said this system does not qualify for integrated because there is no activity under the panel.  There are no proper guidelines or terms and conditions which stipulates that there must be activity under the panel.  It is only after 6 months after having completed the system and waiting for payment that SEDA COO came out with the condition and told my contractor that the system does not qualify  for bonus S02 after having approved my application and sign the REPPA agreement with me.  If SEDA have informed me of the condition during my application then I would not have installed the panel and wasted almost RM50,000 of my hard earned money.  Now who is at fault, SEDA or contractor?  Why must I be penalized for their mistake?  The power generated have been feed to the grid for more than 6 months and I have not received a single cent.
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pity that your case went whirling

1)interested in knowing your installation, care to share some photos?

2) if it is not approved at the end, you may switch your system to off-grid usage.
go buy batteries and a controller(not sure the current one you installed)
tap the wires from PV to the controller, connect controller output to the battery bank. the controller will control the charging of the battery
battery energy will be used supply electricity to your home use when it is filled
or the controller will switch to tnb when it detects the battery is going run out of energy.

In that case, your installation will not be wasted.

btw, what is S02 bonus for extra RM0.25? want to install the system ourselves and just ask SI to certify and apply with TNB. We also want to know more the installation standard, requirement, etc.

thanks for sharing.
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QUOTE(Kasy @ Jul 16 2013, 02:40 PM)
My system was approved as integrated i.e. additional for use as building materials with bonus S02 for additional RM0.25.  The solar panel was installed over a steel structure like an awning covering the whole air well on top of the roof.  Now the COO said this system does not qualify for integrated because there is no activity under the panel.  There are no proper guidelines or terms and conditions which stipulates that there must be activity under the panel.  It is only after 6 months after having completed the system and waiting for payment that SEDA COO came out with the condition and told my contractor that the system does not qualify  for bonus S02 after having approved my application and sign the REPPA agreement with me.  If SEDA have informed me of the condition during my application then I would not have installed the panel and wasted almost RM50,000 of my hard earned money.  Now who is at fault, SEDA or contractor?  Why must I be penalized for their mistake?  The power generated have been feed to the grid for more than 6 months and I have not received a single cent.
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My fre, IMHO, your contractor screwed you. The contractor should understand properly all requirement for BIPV installation before offer you the package.
Contractor will claim no proper guidelines but contractor himself should get formal confirmation before install your project.
Pls check the submitted drawings to Seda during application. If the structure drawing (which show no human activity under panel) is included, your contractor has good chance to claim with Seda.
Personally, I knew BIPV car porch rejected because no rain proof.

Anyway, come to worst situation, BIPV rejected, but you still enjoy FiT rate.

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pity that your case went whirling

1)interested in knowing your installation, care to share some photos?

2) if it is not approved at the end, you may switch your system to off-grid usage.
go buy batteries and a controller(not sure the current one you installed)
tap the wires from PV to the controller, connect controller output to the battery bank. the controller will control the charging of the battery
battery energy will be used supply electricity to your home use when it is filled
or the controller will switch to tnb when it detects the battery is going run out of energy.

In that case, your installation will not be wasted.

btw, what is S02 bonus for extra RM0.25? want to install the system ourselves and just ask SI to certify and apply with TNB. We also want to know more the installation standard, requirement, etc.

thanks for sharing.
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Installation standard and requirement. Pls download "Renewable Energy (Technical and Operational Requirements) Rules 2011"
http://seda.gov.my/go-home.php?omaneg=0001...00000000&s=1207
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QUOTE(ectt @ Jul 16 2013, 05:06 PM)
pity that your case went whirling

1)interested in knowing your installation, care to share some photos?

2) if it is not approved at the end, you may switch your system to off-grid usage.
go buy batteries and a controller(not sure the current one you installed)
tap the wires from PV to the controller, connect controller output to the battery bank. the controller will control the charging of the battery
battery energy will be used supply electricity to your home use when it is filled
or the controller will switch to tnb when it detects the battery is going run out of energy.

In that case, your installation will not be wasted.

btw, what is S02 bonus for extra RM0.25? want to install the system ourselves and just ask SI to certify and apply with TNB. We also want to know more the installation standard, requirement, etc.

thanks for sharing.
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Pls refer to the attachment for the explanation of the bonus rates. In my case, I got 2013 FiT rate at RM1.13708/kWh inclusive of bonus rate S01 (panels "used as installation in buildings or building structures")

Because of the degression system, rates will decrease every year, so hurry get your FiT approval as soon as you are ready to invest. For my installation, I began application in February this year, FiT approved March, panels installed May and commissioned July. I expect to get payment in Sept. fingers crossed :-)


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Installation standard and requirement. Pls download "Renewable Energy (Technical and Operational Requirements) Rules 2011"
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My uncle installed a system in Melaka with 4.6kW Capacity and commissioned on Jan 2013. The payment delayed until Jun 2013. But luckily TNB still pays, and he got an average of RM700 per month. There are a lot of problem within the cooperation from SEDA and TNB especially, but they are trying their best to sort things out. I am currently applying for 2 x 4kW system for myself, the application already changed on the previous system and this. The previous one, you have to get an Invoice from TNB, get it paid at TNB shop, and personally go to collect the Revenue Meter, install everything and wait for TNB guys to check. Now, you will just need to pay and inform them. They will bring the Revenue Meter together during the T&C. Hope that they could sort out most of the un coordinating condition as to speed up the process.

I am doing the system by myself as I know a solar company and they are managing the engineering stuffs for me, as I go into bulk purchase of all the remaining items myself. The overall cost could be lowered by 10% ~ 15% and I am only getting the good stuffs. Solar Panels are Q-Cells and Inverter is from SMA.
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My uncle installed a system in Melaka with 4.6kW Capacity and commissioned on Jan 2013. The payment delayed until Jun 2013. But luckily TNB still pays, and he got an average of RM700 per month. There are a lot of problem within the cooperation from SEDA and TNB especially, but they are trying their best to sort things out. I am currently applying for 2 x 4kW system for myself, the application already changed on the previous system and this. The previous one, you have to get an Invoice from TNB, get it paid at TNB shop, and personally go to collect the Revenue Meter, install everything and wait for TNB guys to check. Now, you will just need to pay and inform them. They will bring the Revenue Meter together during the T&C. Hope that they could sort out most of the un coordinating condition as to speed up the process.

I am doing the system by myself as I know a solar company and they are managing the engineering stuffs for me, as I go into bulk purchase of all the remaining items myself. The overall cost could be lowered by 10% ~ 15% and I am only getting the good stuffs. Solar Panels are Q-Cells and Inverter is from SMA.
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wow, very interesting, may i know how much you spend on this?thanks  hmm.gif
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Around RM35k ~ RM36k for a 4kW System. There are 5 persons doing this together with me, I got a relatively better group purchase.
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Around RM35k ~ RM36k for a 4kW System. There are 5 persons doing this together with me, I got a relatively better group purchase.
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My system was approved as integrated i.e. additional for use as building materials with bonus S02 for additional RM0.25.  The solar panel was installed over a steel structure like an awning covering the whole air well on top of the roof.  Now the COO said this system does not qualify for integrated because there is no activity under the panel.  There are no proper guidelines or terms and conditions which stipulates that there must be activity under the panel.  It is only after 6 months after having completed the system and waiting for payment that SEDA COO came out with the condition and told my contractor that the system does not qualify  for bonus S02 after having approved my application and sign the REPPA agreement with me.  If SEDA have informed me of the condition during my application then I would not have installed the panel and wasted almost RM50,000 of my hard earned money.  Now who is at fault, SEDA or contractor?  Why must I be penalized for their mistake?  The power generated have been feed to the grid for more than 6 months and I have not received a single cent.
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Actually there is no clear written what are those S01 and S02. We all also have a contractor to come out with the drawings for submission right?
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QUOTE(avereng @ Jul 17 2013, 09:39 AM)
My fre, IMHO, your contractor screwed you. The contractor should understand properly all requirement for BIPV installation before offer you the package.
Contractor will claim no proper guidelines but contractor himself should get formal confirmation before install your project.
Pls check the submitted drawings to Seda during application. If the structure drawing (which show no human activity under panel) is included, your contractor has good chance to claim with Seda.
Personally, I knew BIPV car porch rejected because no rain proof.

Anyway, come to worst situation, BIPV rejected, but you still enjoy FiT rate.
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You are right Avereng, now SEDA said it is systems provider's responsibility to ensure that all requirements for BIPV installations are met before telling their customers to install such a project. Now SEDA said the system provider should rectify the error. If anyone has any problem with this FIT system, please check with SEDA directly instead of listening and depending on your system provider. Will keep you all updated of further developments.
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Thanks Arjunaidi for your help. Now I realized its not COO's fault, my apologies, I have been ill-advised.
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Thanks Arjunaidi for your help.  Now I realized its not COO's fault, my apologies, I have been ill-advised.
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yesterday was clear sunny sky, I got my best solar output yet. for my 2.5 kWp system, I am happy if I get 8kWh per day.
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You are welcome.

yesterday was clear sunny sky, I got my best solar output yet.  for my 2.5 kWp system, I am happy if I get 8kWh per day.
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For your information, I got 16 kw yesterday and 18 kw today for my 4.0 kw system. My max was 24 kw and min. 3 kw per day since installation
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you mentioned that you can tap the electricity from the solar panel directly use with your home appliance immediately, do you need to install battery to store the energy, or the system you installed allow you to use the solar energy directly without any extra energy storing device?

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anyway isnt better to use normal tnb rate for home use, and solar production sell back to tnb? hmm.gif
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wow, very interesting, may i know how much you spend on this?thanks  hmm.gif
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For your information, I got 16 kw yesterday and 18 kw today for my 4.0 kw system.  My max was 24 kw and min. 3 kw per day since installation
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I found that my PV works best on bright, clear days with minimum cloud cover. There should also be some breeze that would slightly cool down the solar panels, since PV output decreases with increasing temperature.


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wah u also here?

anyway isnt better to use normal tnb rate for home use, and solar production sell back to tnb? hmm.gif
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Yes, it's called load management. Plan to do your ironing, run the washing machine and other heavy electrical usage activities during the night when there is no solar production. This way, you pay normal TNB rates (~RM0.27 per kWh) and minimize consumption of your own PV generated electricity.
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Yes, it's called load management.  Plan to do your ironing, run the washing machine and other heavy electrical usage activities during the night when there is no solar production.  This way, you pay normal TNB rates (~RM0.27 per kWh) and minimize consumption of your own PV generated electricity.
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so i can set the solar production 100% sell back to TNB right...
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For your information, I got 16 kw yesterday and 18 kw today for my 4.0 kw system.  My max was 24 kw and min. 3 kw per day since installation
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Hi Kasy,

Your readings of 18kWh is from the solar system's data or TNB's exported kWh day to day differential?
Just clarifying coz my recently online (less than 1 week) 4kW system max only managed 14kWh exported to TNB (ie. read from TNB's meter).

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Hi Kasy,

Your readings of 18kWh is from the solar system's data or TNB's exported kWh day to day differential?
Just clarifying coz my recently online (less than 1 week) 4kW system max only managed 14kWh exported to TNB (ie. read from TNB's meter).

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My readings of 18kwh is from TNB meter reading. As I told you all earlier my system is built over the airwell and not retrofit on the roof. This way it is very airy and no blockages under the solar panels.
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bro come lets bulk ..35k for 4kw ok ma.. thumbup.gif
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Hi Wong
My readings of 18kwh is from TNB meter reading.  As I told you all earlier my system is built over the airwell and not retrofit on the roof.  This way it is very airy and no blockages under the solar panels.
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Build over airwell is good idea. Panel efficiency lost due to heat is lower.
FYI, on a good month, my PV system can get 3.8-4kWh/kWp performance for Selangor area.
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Build over airwell is good idea. Panel efficiency lost due to heat is lower.
FYI, on a good month, my PV system can get 3.8-4kWh/kWp performance for Selangor area.
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the haze is back at Putrajaya. The diffused light is not good for solar production, I expect yield to be reduced :-(
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the haze is back at Putrajaya. The diffused light is not good for solar production, I expect yield to be reduced :-(
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Celebrating my system's 100th kW production today, 14 days after commissioning on 09 July 2013.  My solar PV system is the second best investment after my house :-)
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care to show the brand and model no of your controller? the left hand one with yellow display.
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is that restricted to use that model only or we can just use other brand? any specification requirement?
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Celebrating my system's 100th kW production today, 14 days after commissioning on 09 July 2013.  My solar PV system is the second best investment after my house :-)
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Arjunaidi, TNB paid U already boh for that 100 kW? sweat.gif
eggs counting and hatching thinggy neh
i worry too coz i've vested interest too tongue.gif

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I have a question here as well. Since your Solar Panel rating is 2.5kwp; how is it that its producing 6-7kWh?

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Arjunaidi, TNB paid U already boh for that 100 kW? sweat.gif
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I have a question here as well. Since your Solar Panel rating is 2.5kwp; how is it that its producing 6-7kWh?

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Arjunaidi, TNB paid U already boh for that 100 kW? sweat.gif
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Hi Wong,
Appreciate if you can share with me why you decided to invest in this? I understand you were calculating the return from previous post and were not impressed with it.
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Hi Wong,
Appreciate if you can share with me why you decided to invest in this?  I understand you were calculating the return from previous post and were not impressed with it.
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I didnt invest in it, my mum (ie. below taxable bracket coz retiree without income) did, via her loving son's "gift-of-love to her" roof-space usage brows.gif
And she managed to get a system integrator for RM38K

Those 2 combinations works well, given that i gave my mum my roof space to invest in biggrin.gif
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Pls see my calculations based on example shown in SEDA brochure
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boss, U may want to add in TAX neh.
Unless the investor of the system (including the solar payment from TNB) is below the taxable bracket lar.
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One can expect FiT payment from TNB 30 days after receiving payment advice.  see Step 10 in the FiT brochure
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er.. in reality, how long does the very first payment take?
read:
it is from 4 to 6 months after testing & commissioning with TNB.
After this snail's pace, things pickup to become every month

so.. the writing U share is effective (or just technically/by right?) or the others' sharing is reality? sweat.gif

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I didnt invest in it, my mum (ie. below taxable bracket coz retiree without income) did, via her loving son's "gift-of-love to her" roof-space usage brows.gif
And she managed to get a system integrator for RM38K

Those 2 combinations works well, given that i gave my mum my roof space to invest in  biggrin.gif
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Oh I see, thanks. This is a great move. Able to generate extra income while not need to pay tax.
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Hi Jordy.

Sorry for butting in - just sharing my personal findings from 2011 and 2013 (recent update) in the ZIPped Excel.
Please note U'd need the XIRR() function to work by installing the Analysis Toolpack to see the CAGR.

Still not worthwhile to me (VS other options of greening/investing) coz:
a. Tax (as shared by fellow forumers earlier)
b. The effective/actual kWh/day generated by a solar system per kWp is still highly dependant on installation & type of solar panels (see the "Comments" in cell C1 of the 2013 worksheet)

Just a thought. By the way, i numbers are not "gospel truths" yar, just dredged up via talking with vendors & googling  notworthy.gif

PS: Fellow forumers - U can change the YELLOW & RED cells in the worksheet 2013 like "26%" (tax rate) and stuff for your own forecasting to see "worth it or not" VS other usages of your time & $.
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Thank you for your excel worksheet.
even put 0% tax rate, still nothing to shout, as hassle and trouble not included.
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Oh I see, thanks.  This is a great move.  Able to generate extra income while not need to pay tax.
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throw in a credit card cash-on-call that covers the CapEx at 4.99%pa compounded (yeah, reducing balance, not fixed), payback in 4 years and we have a clear winner, assuming the "hassle" that AskChong is settled properly by the system integrator (so far so good - now left with expecting TNB's first paymet to be slow coz of a/c creation lar, what not lar, etc).

Prudent calculation using Excel's XIRR: 18.09%pa based on 21 years,
with 20% drop in solar panel's efficiency by 20th year (ie 1mth drop 20%/(20 years *12 mths)
and expected start of 11.73 kWh/day for a 4kW system
and a replacement inverter every 10 years, $5K

Project started (my mum sign paper & paid) in Feb, finished installing in early June.
Bloody thing was supposed to be commissioned on June 13th BUT... TNB didn't show up and meter didnt show up (with TNB).
2nd time lucky i guess, on 16th June - TNB nearly FFK again. Lots of miscommunication within TNB and TNB-SEDA i guess coz i heard their conversation with system integrator going like "... ya... kita sudah allocate tapi meter tak ada.."
Apparently they sapu some poor sod's meter and came over (sorry yar if U are reading this + U stay in SJ) after system integrator appealed to their supervisor, stating 2nd time & all that.

keep U guys posted as things run along, thus far stats are:
Commissioned last week Tue 16th of July afternoon 2pm+
Todate, exported 92kWh
Max/day 15 kWh
Min/day 9 kWh
Average: 13.14 kWh
Roof & solar panels facing North-South orientation, with nothing blocking/shading.
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a. Only 2 good "Sun" days, rest was rainy + hazy
b. June-Aug supposedly "hottest" days, thus please take the above self-collected stats from TNB's meter as a "higher-end" average yar.
1yr+ baru can get a decent average notworthy.gif

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Can u tell me how much of initial cost , operating cost , replacement cost and maintenance cost for the photovoltaic system?
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I didnt invest in it, my mum (ie. below taxable bracket coz retiree without income) did, via her loving son's "gift-of-love to her" roof-space usage brows.gif
And she managed to get a system integrator for RM38K

Those 2 combinations works well, given that i gave my mum my roof space to invest in  biggrin.gif
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Mind to share which panel and inverter used by SI?
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Mind to share which panel and inverter used by SI?
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no probs, SI fast feedback biggrin.gif

OEM brand - REIN, imported from AU & Asia.

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no probs, SI fast feedback biggrin.gif

OEM brand - REIN, imported from AU & Asia.
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no probs, SI fast feedback biggrin.gif

OEM brand - REIN, imported from AU & Asia.
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any restriction or guidelines FiTT about which or what controller is able to use? notworthy.gif
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any restriction or guidelines FiTT about which or what controller is able to use? notworthy.gif
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Never heard of this brand before, anyway to find info from the web
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Quota is running out very fast nowdays. Everyday 150Kw~200Kw being taken start from July.
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Quota is running out very fast nowdays. Everyday 150Kw~200Kw being taken start from July.
If anyone really want to install for 2013 rate, must act fast now.

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Only 870 kW solar PV quota remaining for 2013. This is equivalent to about 217 houses, assuming each has a 4 kWp installation.

So if you are thinking to install solar, do it now and get the 2013 quota now. Next year degression will mean the FiT rates start from RM1.06 per kWh.

I can help those interested to get this year's quota. Pls PM me. thank you.

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Hi all, any recommended installer(complete with application & commissioning) At klang valley area. Tq.. Kindly help to pm(if its not convinience disclose here) me the contact n details..
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Hi all.

My PV system is now online for viewing at the SMA website under "Publicly Available Plants"

direct link is here http://www.sunnyportal.com/Templates/Publi...sPlantList.aspx

search city "Putrajaya"
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Attached Image This is from the secure page.

It shows the C02 avoidance and FiT reimbursement.

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an Australian based system integrator uses REIN panels and inverter.  check here http://www.solarnaturally.com/my/product/solar-pv-system/
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I wonder where is the REIN panel and inverter come from?
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I wouldn't be surprised if they came from China, like most things today. I may be wrong.
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I wonder where is the REIN panel and inverter come from?
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OEM from china.

if not mistaken,over 80% of Australia solar system related tools and instruments are OEM from China; if counted parts and components, over 95% are from China.

indeed, solar system knowledge and technologies are more well developed than western countries.

did ask some SI around but they refused to tell or share the controllers and inverters they adopted. if FiTT does not have any restriction or limitation on the use of controller and inverter, it is wise to buy our own

so any one who installed the PV and sell to tnb, please do show your controller, meter, inverter will be a good template to other here.

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QUOTE(ectt @ Jul 29 2013, 05:52 PM)
OEM from china.

if not mistaken,over 80% of Australia solar system related tools and instruments are OEM from China; if counted parts and components, over 95% are from China.

indeed, solar system knowledge and technologies are more well developed than western countries.

did ask some SI around but they refused to tell or share the controllers and inverters they adopted. if FiTT does not have any restriction or limitation on the  use of controller and inverter, it is wise to buy our own

so any one who installed the PV and sell to tnb, please do show your controller, meter, inverter will be a good template to other here.

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when your company start doing this?
if nope
this coming holiday hari raya i going research all price and how implement.
if that price cheap, i will implement 1 ownself in my house
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when your company start doing this?
if nope
this coming holiday hari raya  i going research all price and how implement.
if that price cheap, i will implement 1 ownself in my house
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we know that because we have friends in australia and we were there before. their new pm impose new policies on Carbon footprint. it could also affect or "guide" our politicians to "green" mode in buying electricity.

ask our bro to set up a company smile.gif
we only have some knowledge in electronics notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(ectt @ Jul 29 2013, 09:21 PM)
we know that because we have friends in australia and we were there before. their new pm impose new policies on Carbon footprint. it could also affect or "guide" our politicians to "green" mode in buying electricity.

ask our bro to set up a company smile.gif
we only have some knowledge in electronics notworthy.gif
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got any picture can share with me? thumbup.gif

here i highlight i confuse can explain?
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got any picture can share with me?  thumbup.gif

here i highlight i confuse can explain?
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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/...2-1226678990206

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/...2-1226671097897
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i will take a look nod.gif
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Kindly to remind. Even you can buy your own equipment, you still need ISPQ engineer and certified wireman to certify your design.
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I am an engineer but for solar PV, I left it to SEDA approved service provider with ISPQ certified engineer. A good ASP will take you through all the legal, technical and financial aspects of the installation.

I do not recommend the DIY approach. The solar PV system is meant for service life of at least 2i years, so don't cut corners on equipment, design and expertise.

my 2 sen (carbon free) opinion.
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I am an engineer but for solar PV, I left it to SEDA approved service provider with ISPQ certified engineer.  A good ASP will take you through all the legal, technical and financial aspects of the installation.

I do not recommend the DIY approach.  The solar PV system is meant for service life of at least 2i years, so don't cut corners on equipment, design and expertise.

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That's true. If you look for equipment and install youself, it might be a hard period while you need to claim warranty if something happen to your system.
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I saw this on SEDA website today. I am seeking confirmation from SEDA that Solar PV quota for 2013 is finished.


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Here is email just received from SEDA Director of Feed-in Tariff:

Dear Arjunaidi,

"Yes, at the moment there is only 13 kW left for individuals which is not viewable due to the limitation in space of the dashboard (2 d.p). We will be deploying quota by today/tomorrow for this as we have anticipated this early last week. Tq

Gladys"

so there you go. I guess whoever is interested will have to keep watching for announcement from SEDA for the 2014 quota.

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I got this info from my ASP.

"Yes, it's true..the individual solar pv quota for the 2nd half of this year is depleted. However there are remaining balance of quota during the 1st half that didn't been taken up so we expect that SEDA will transfered it in this 2nd half 2013."

Anyone interested to apply, pls PM me. TQ.
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QUOTE(avereng @ Jul 30 2013, 10:33 AM)
Kindly to remind. Even you can buy your own equipment, you still need ISPQ engineer and certified wireman to certify your design.
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that i know already
no worry
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I saw this on SEDA website today.  I am seeking confirmation from SEDA that Solar PV quota for 2013 is finished.
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observed for a few times, that page seems suspicious. wonder they bridge the data feed directly to that portal in real time or not?

honestly, that yearly amount of SEDA offered don't show good intention to go "green"!


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QUOTE(avereng @ Jul 30 2013, 09:33 AM)
Kindly to remind. Even you can buy your own equipment, you still need ISPQ engineer and certified wireman to certify your design.
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the price is much cheaper if just need ISPQ engineer and certified wireman to certify! nod.gif
btw any list to show all the ISPQ engineers, where to find? or how to get this "title"

QUOTE(arjunaidi @ Jul 30 2013, 09:46 AM)
I am an engineer but for solar PV, I left it to SEDA approved service provider with ISPQ certified engineer.  A good ASP will take you through all the legal, technical and financial aspects of the installation.

I do not recommend the DIY approach.  The solar PV system is meant for service life of at least 2i years, so don't cut corners on equipment, design and expertise.

my 2 sen (carbon free) opinion.
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did consider these issues. it's the markup too much(personal view) smile.gif
basically the pv panel, manufacturers will offere at least 5 to 15 yrs guarantee, wouldn't expect those installers still in the biz or not sure they still in this field or not by then for us to claim the warranty.

current pv panel we adopted in malaysia are mainly the old one, new pv panel material is in transition without lossing price and efficiency.

QUOTE(juneww @ Jul 30 2013, 10:43 AM)
That's true. If you look for equipment and install youself, it might be a hard period while you need to claim warranty if something happen to your system.
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any ISPQ engineer and certified wireman here care to share what basic things need to note to fulfill? solar system accessories and equipment are not difficult to get nowadays. that will be good for all of us gather here to share rather than plainly making profit from here.

or we open a new thread to share and it will not hijack the topic.


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QUOTE(ectt @ Jul 29 2013, 04:52 PM)
OEM from china.

if not mistaken,over 80% of Australia solar system related tools and instruments are OEM from China; if counted parts and components, over 95% are from China.

indeed, solar system knowledge and technologies are more well developed than western countries.

did ask some SI around but they refused to tell or share the controllers and inverters they adopted. if FiTT does not have any restriction or limitation on the  use of controller and inverter, it is wise to buy our own

so any one who installed the PV and sell to tnb, please do show your controller, meter, inverter will be a good template to other here.

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I applied 7 x 4kW systems for my friends and relatives. All system using Q-Cells Solar Panel, Q-Pro-G3 (3rd Generation Cells), Inverter from SMA (Sunny Boy 4000TL). Think these are really good stuffs. What do you mean Controller? Is it fuses, SPD and MCB?
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QUOTE(ectt @ Jul 30 2013, 04:22 PM)
observed for a few times, that page seems suspicious. wonder they bridge the data feed directly to that portal in real time or not?

honestly, that yearly amount of SEDA offered don't show good intention to go "green"!
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I think it feed directly to that portal in real time. Everytime I did a submission the figure still going down continuously, people are grabbing the quota. I still manage to grab one yesterday midnight when it left with 0.17MW, and in the morning I woke up, 0.00!!!! SEDA just to regulate the amount of money collected from the Renewable Energy Fund, hence, they have limited quota for whoever interested to participate, but they have to be careful not to approved over budget else, they don't have money to pay later.
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QUOTE(shHiew @ Jul 31 2013, 12:12 AM)
I applied 7 x 4kW systems for my friends and relatives. All system using Q-Cells Solar Panel, Q-Pro-G3 (3rd Generation Cells), Inverter from SMA (Sunny Boy 4000TL). Think these are really good stuffs. What do you mean Controller? Is it fuses, SPD and MCB?
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thank you so much for your sharing!

you mentioned that you applied for friends and relatives, how you did?

saw a system before which look like
1) solar pv
2) wire up to a controller which provides 2 ways control:
a) tap to an inverter to convert the DC to AC, then via a meter to measure the electricity sell to electricity power company (on-grid supply, sell to tnb and earn $$)
b) switch to charge up battery array, the battery array is connected to DC to AC inverter, and output to utilities usage (off-grid usage, power up home utilities with battery array)

we believe the 2)->a) is widely adopted in current SI
2)b) approach is for minimizing the reliability on the tnb supply. cons are battery array cost and aging concerns.

QUOTE(shHiew @ Jul 31 2013, 12:18 AM)
I think it feed directly to that portal in real time. Everytime I did a submission the figure still going down continuously, people are grabbing the quota. I still manage to grab one yesterday midnight when it left with 0.17MW, and in the morning I woke up, 0.00!!!! SEDA just to regulate the amount of money collected from the Renewable Energy Fund, hence, they have limited quota for whoever interested to participate, but they have to be careful not to approved over budget else, they don't have money to pay later.
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the data it revealed is "approved" usage or including the "pending" application? if it is the second one, then it is easy to jam a queue first and fulfill the the submission later, would it be in that way for the SI or some parties who occupied the quota first and then complete the submission later? or internal "loophole" existed to jump queue

any even distribution mechanism or is it a national-wide basis? e.g. SEDA offered 100MW but evenly spread to different states, or they don't care about the even distribution, they served first come first served basis whoever applies first despite of state-belonging.

the portal did not reveal the information and application in transparent way, it is still in "translucent" way.

thanks again for your sharing.


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QUOTE(ectt @ Jul 30 2013, 04:22 PM)
observed for a few times, that page seems suspicious. wonder they bridge the data feed directly to that portal in real time or not?

honestly, that yearly amount of SEDA offered don't show good intention to go "green"!
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My fre, out there are plenty of citizen still unhappy with 1% charge on elec bil for renewable energy fund.
More quota means more fund needed. Another hike in renewable energy fund will solve quota problem but will citizen be happy?

Personally, I wish for more quota.
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QUOTE(avereng @ Jul 31 2013, 08:50 AM)
My fre, out there are plenty of citizen still unhappy with 1% charge on elec bil for renewable energy fund.
More quota means more fund needed. Another hike in renewable energy fund will solve quota problem but will citizen be happy?

Personally, I wish for more quota.
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I am in favour of more quota too.

An alternative to Feed-in Tariff is Net Metering, I am working with Malaysian PV industry people to prepare a working paper to the Ministry of Energy, Green Technology and Water.

Net Metering is quite complicated to explain, so do take some time to read the wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_metering
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QUOTE(ectt @ Jul 31 2013, 03:28 AM)
thank you so much for your sharing!

you mentioned that you applied for friends and relatives, how you did?

saw a system before which look like
1) solar pv
2) wire up to a controller which provides 2 ways control:
    a) tap to an inverter to convert the DC to AC, then via a meter to measure the electricity sell to electricity power company (on-grid supply, sell to tnb and earn $$)
    b) switch to charge up battery array, the battery array is connected to DC to AC inverter, and output to utilities usage (off-grid usage, power up home utilities with battery array) 

we believe the 2)->a) is widely adopted in current SI
2)b) approach is for minimizing the reliability on the tnb supply. cons are battery array cost and aging concerns.
the data it revealed is "approved" usage or including the "pending" application? if it is the second one, then it is easy to jam a queue first and fulfill the the submission later, would it be in that way for the SI or some parties who occupied the quota first and then complete the submission later? or internal "loophole" existed to jump queue

any even distribution mechanism or is it a national-wide basis? e.g. SEDA offered 100MW but evenly spread to different states, or they don't care about the even distribution, they served first come first served basis whoever applies first despite of state-belonging.

the portal did not reveal the information and application in transparent way, it is still in "translucent" way.

thanks again for your sharing.
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I was initially doing it for my own home by contacting an ISPQ. He is a German and don't mind supporting me on the engineering stuffs, he will need to approved all submission to SEDA. He said he is OK to support for more PV system and he will charge based on the project size, which is fair enough to me because he owns the Certificate and he approves them. I manage all purchases and logistics, controlled the cost very well! icon_rolleyes.gif Basically, PV Solar System is a very simple thing because there are no mechanical stuffs, all static. Only important thing is understanding the process of application and manage the logistics.

Yes, you are correct that 2)->a) is widely adopted because of the CAPEX is lower, and the importing rate is probably 4 times less than the exporting rate, hence, if people considering as an Investment, they wouldn't want to use the Solar Power for own consumption.

The process of getting quote is a little bit troublesome because on opening a portal, you still need to get the owner to open up the portal with a declaration letter. Don't think the SI can do it by grabbing a lot of quota and sell it later. (This is just my personal thinking, might be wrong).

The even distribution really not sure, but part of the application, the GPS of the installation of the site have to be keyed in, think this is a way on monitoring, if it's just too dense on the Solar PV, I think they may take certain action. Also, as far as I see, the application to other states is really troublesome because submission to SEDA has to be done in Putrajaya and the Reppa has to be done in PJ. It's a bit hassle and I still see Klang Valley would probably take up most of the quota.

The quota is not transparent I agreed, but it's a way to speed up the process because of the auto catching of data from the e-portal. I do feel great on their processing time. 1 week can get the FiT Certificate ready once all documents are successfully submitted without problem.
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QUOTE(arjunaidi @ Jul 31 2013, 09:33 AM)
I am in favour of more quota too.

An alternative to Feed-in Tariff is Net Metering,  I am working with Malaysian PV industry people to prepare a working paper to the Ministry of Energy, Green Technology and Water.

Net Metering is quite complicated to explain, so do take some time to read the wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_metering
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Net Metering is a good way to promote more Green Energy. The problem in Malaysia energy system is our electricity rate is very low because of the Subsidies from Hydrocarbon. It's a very complicated economics and politics issues. In order to secured more vote, a direct way is subsidies to control essential things at lower rate. Green Energy in general still expensive compared to alternative energy supply like Coal, Gas or even Nuclear, and in order to make people go into it, a direct way is the premium on FiT rate, else, it's not going to pick up in Malaysia at all. Anyway, I am quite sure the TNB rate will raise soon and any raise in the rate, will direction push people for more Green Energy for long term usage. The Solar Industry in Malaysia is still a new born baby, but other developed countries like DE, JP and OZ already have this kind of FiT system long time ago, and now already gone into another stage where the Net Metering, it's a continuous evolve system for Green Energy, and when the general rate of electricity raised, then it evolve.
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http://seda.gov.my/go-home.php?omaneg=0001...000&y=45&s=2944


Putrajaya (Tuesday, 30th July 2013): In response to the individuals' demand for the FiT for solar PV, SEDA Malaysia has released another 500 kW of solar PV quota for the individuals today. SEDA Malaysia will monitor the quota especially for the individuals on regular basis and release quota on the premise of RE Fund allocation.
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good news, apply for quota now. 500kW is not a lot, equivalent to 125 houses if each had 4kWp installed.

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anyone here can share how to get the SI and ISPQ certificates, what processes? our brother is interested to take any exam for getting these title.

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Putrajaya (Wednesday, 31st July 2013): In response to the individuals' demand for the FiT for solar PV, SEDA Malaysia will release another approximately 900 kW of solar PV quota for the individuals on Thursday, 1st August 2013 at 9:00 am. SEDA Malaysia will monitor the quota especially for the individuals on regular basis and release quota on the premise of RE Fund allocation.
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Putrajaya (Wednesday, 31st July 2013): In response to the individuals' demand for the FiT for solar PV, SEDA Malaysia will release another approximately 900 kW of solar PV quota for the individuals on Thursday, 1st August 2013 at 9:00 am. SEDA Malaysia will monitor the quota especially for the individuals on regular basis and release quota on the premise of RE Fund allocation.
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make it transparent will see more true quota

go green to earn the carbon footprint to trade is also good to govt, depending on how they value short and long benefit
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QUOTE(ectt @ Jul 31 2013, 06:15 PM)
make it transparent will see more true quota

go green to earn the carbon footprint to trade is also good to govt, depending on how they value short and long benefit
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Actually I find it fun to just release a little bit by bit. This is to ensure people try to apply sooner instead of always thinking there are a lot of quota left. By doing this, we will have more people apply and get the Green program progresses faster.
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SEDA to release another 900 kW quota for individuals today.

http://seda.gov.my/go-home.php?omaneg=0001...000&y=45&s=2946


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this is interesting.
so whats the initial cost and roi like?
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this is interesting.
so whats the initial cost and roi like?
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btw, what if the house owner moves from one place to another place, then how about the solar system with TNB?

re-apply again or can still keep the registration and continue at new house during the contract period?
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btw, what if the house owner moves from one place to another place, then how about the solar system with TNB?

re-apply again or can still keep the registration and continue at new house during the contract period?
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yeah this the main problem
unless they make moveable panel and simple wiring

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yeah this the main problem
unless they make moveable panel and simple wiring
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rewiring in new house is ok, but really cant accept if need to reapply and go through the whole process.

any SI here can answer this question?
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What is the efficiency of the panel, anybody install and check if the panel is working to produce the optimum electricity.

I read some of the specification of the panels, and it show that the optimum operating temperature is much lower then Malaysia average temperature. We have lots of sun but it is too hot for the panels to be effective
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What is the efficiency of the panel, anybody install and check if the panel is working to produce the optimum electricity.

I read some of the specification of the panels, and it show that the optimum operating temperature is much lower then Malaysia average temperature. We have lots of sun but it is too hot for the panels to be effective
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Stats for your consideration:
4kWp (corrected from kWh) system, N/S facing roof D/S, roof slope norm (20 to 30 degrees?)
Syst Commisssioned: 16/07/2013
kWh reading on 07/08/2013
Total Exported kWh: 262
Max kWh /day: 16
Min kWh /day: 5
Avg kWh/day: 11.75

IMHO, optimum is lalaland - just see whether the average is acceptable to U.
Thus far, the actual average kWh/day is close to my average expected: 11.73

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 8 2013, 07:46 AM)
Stats for your consideration:
4kWh system, N/S facing roof D/S, roof slope norm (20 to 30 degrees?)
Syst Commisssioned: 16/07/2013
kWh reading on 07/08/2013
Total Exported kWh: 262
Max kWh /day: 16
Min kWh /day: 5
Avg kWh/day: 11.75

IMHO, optimum is lalaland - just see whether the average is acceptable to U.
Thus far, the actual average kWh/day is close to my average expected: 11.73
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Your system avg = 11.75kWh/day
Performance = 11.75kWh/4kWp = 2.93kWh/kWp

My system performance for same period = 3.27kWh/kWp
My system previous month performance is better than this. In July, the weather is not as good as Mac-June.

Note: kWh/kWp is good indicator to compare PV system without worry bout system capacity
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QUOTE(avereng @ Aug 8 2013, 10:20 AM)
Your system avg = 11.75kWh/day
Performance = 11.75kWh/4kWp = 2.93kWh/kWp

My system performance for same period = 3.27kWh/kWp
My system previous month performance is better than this. In July, the weather is not as good as Mac-June.

Note: kWh/kWp is good indicator to compare PV system without worry bout system capacity
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Ah.. good idea to divide by system's kWp for better comparability
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Wow 3.27kWh/kWp? nice - Klang Valley installation or those hotter places (saw somewhere in this thread)?
Mine's in SJ, Klang Valley

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 8 2013, 11:00 AM)
Ah.. good idea to divide by system's kWp for better comparability
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Wow 3.27kWh/kWp? nice - Klang Valley installation or those hotter places (saw somewhere in this thread)?
Mine's in SJ, Klang Valley
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I got the best specific yield of 4.07 kWh/kWp last week. Actually cloud cover reduced the output quite significantly. Coastal areas such as Penang and Miri fared best weather for solar pv generation.


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I got the best specific yield of 4.07 kWh/kWp last week.  Actually cloud cover reduced the output quite significantly.  Coastal areas such as Penang and Miri fared best weather for solar pv generation.
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wow - that means yr system had an equivalent of 4.07 hours of direct sunlight hitting right?
Nice... drool.gif

Mine's still dinky 2.976kWh/kWp although highest exported/day hit 16kWh.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 13 2013, 05:24 PM)
wow - that means yr system had an equivalent of 4.07 hours of direct sunlight hitting right?
Nice...  drool.gif

Mine's still dinky 2.976kWh/kWp although highest exported/day hit 16kWh.
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My system best performance is 5.13kWh/kWp but only one day,after 7+ months operation. 4.8-4.9kWh/kWp is easier to archive.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 13 2013, 06:24 PM)
wow - that means yr system had an equivalent of 4.07 hours of direct sunlight hitting right?
Nice...  drool.gif

Mine's still dinky 2.976kWh/kWp although highest exported/day hit 16kWh.
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no worry bro
now almost rainy season that why cloudy wait till sunny day u see
u can save more power thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Aug 13 2013, 05:41 PM)
no worry bro
now almost rainy season that why cloudy wait till sunny day u see
u can save more power  thumbup.gif
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heheh danke danke - hopefully lar.
anyhow, it's hitting my average expected, thus my returns should be as expected as well. anything above that is cream tongue.gif

to clarify, that 2.976kWh/kWp is AVERAGE to-date
peak - max hit 16kWh exported per day on a 4kWp system, thus max 4kWh/kWp but... me being realistic, take average to-date sweat.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 13 2013, 06:20 PM)
heheh  danke danke - hopefully lar.
anyhow, it's hitting my average expected, thus my returns should be as expected as well. anything above that is cream tongue.gif

to clarify, that 2.976kWh/kWp is AVERAGE to-date
peak - max hit 16kWh exported per day on a 4kWp system, thus max 4kWh/kWp but... me being realistic, take average to-date  sweat.gif
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usually inverter dissipated how much power?

standard how much?
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Hi Im not a smart guys, I have some question as below:

For this solar system , 1KWH, TNB pay you RM1.3432

For our normal electricity bill, TNB charges us 1KWH = RM 0.218

So if continue, TNB will go bankcrupt. I can't understand the logic?

Once TNB get the electricity from your solar, it need to sell back to public? with lower price?

This business model is not right... will you buy a cake @ RM1.00 and sell to customer RM0.20?

That is why the TNB charge us monthly for the renewable energy fund 1% of our bill?

Thats why TNB have the money to pay the solar generator?

Can anyone enlighten me? Thank you very much!

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tnb will not go bankrap. its footed by everyone u and me.
yes the 1% is for this purpose.
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So if this 1% finish, so TNB will not going to pay you.

That is why they have quota for the people to install this solar system? Once exceed the quota you cannot install anymore?
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yup. big size quotas are finished. sweeped in 20 minutes
now left small sized ones for homes
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Good morning all.

afraid the weather forecast is not so good for solar production next week.

http://www.met.gov.my/index.php?option=com...=691&Itemid=905
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Why are we forced to pay the 1% in order for other people to make money from it? Sounds like a licensed robber...
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Hi all,

So far, is it worth to install? any defect after install? thinking to go for it but still no decided.
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1% is not collected to TNB pocket. Its for SEDA. TNB just act on behalf. So the payment u got is actually from SEDA.
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what is SEDA?
heard on the radio today that IEC collects a % from all electricity bills, serious?
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iec = international body. they dont collect money from us.
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Recommendation of meter used to measure electricity generated? Preferable types easily obtain locally
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your inverter should have a built-in meter.

on the tnb side, you have to use their own meter
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QUOTE(fireballs @ Aug 19 2013, 10:54 PM)
your inverter should have a built-in meter.

on the tnb side, you have to use their own meter
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My inverter don't hv meter. What type of inverters r u using?
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what brand of inverter dont have a meter o?

all brand got ler.
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QUOTE(scoop7 @ Aug 19 2013, 10:03 PM)
Recommendation of meter used to measure electricity generated? Preferable types easily obtain locally
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In summary, I don;t believe in FIT. I believe in off grid system solely for maintaining basic electricity for simple stuff like lighting during nite, radio + internet communication. the main problem is the fridge (for food presevation) which consume the most power.


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QUOTE(GoldChan @ Aug 20 2013, 11:51 AM)
In summary, I don;t believe in FIT. I believe in off grid system solely for maintaining basic electricity for simple stuff like lighting during nite, radio + internet communication. the main problem is the fridge (for food presevation) which consume the most power.
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Me too. But i want to know how much the panels actually generated instead just calculation.

I've just setup an off grid floodlight for back lane.. planning to expand to other lighting in my home
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QUOTE(fireballs @ Aug 20 2013, 09:27 AM)
what brand of inverter dont have a meter o?

all brand got ler.
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so what brand are you using? share la
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i am with abb/powerone smile.gif
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QUOTE(fireballs @ Aug 20 2013, 03:39 PM)
i am with abb/powerone smile.gif
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Thanks. Will check it out

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QUOTE(scoop7 @ Aug 21 2013, 07:36 PM)
Thanks. Will check it out
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Since you mentioned bout off grid system for your house, most small capacity off grid inverter/charger do not come with meter.
Mr fireball is using on-grid inverter and he refer on-grid inverter for build-in energy meter.


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QUOTE(avereng @ Aug 22 2013, 09:38 AM)
Since you mentioned bout off grid system for your house, most small capacity off grid inverter/charger do not come with meter.
Mr fireball is using on-grid inverter and he refer on-grid inverter for build-in energy meter.
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yeah... i realized after i google the inverters he's using.

so, is there any meter for measuring off grid systems?

anyone here doing off grid systems or all of you here on grid?

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oh. sorry dint read your previous scenario

for offgrid, since its for own calculation, a cheapo mechanical meter is good enough. last time i saw is RM60 for this type
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in most electrical shop shd be able to get it
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Any quote left for 2013?

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Hi all.

Does anyone here know when TNB sends out the payment advice? today the meter reader came to my house. to my disappointment, he only left the electricity bill. I was expecting that he left a Payment Advice based on the reading of my Renewable Energy Meter. I wonder if he was even awareAttached Image of the RE meter???

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QUOTE(arjunaidi @ Aug 22 2013, 06:20 PM)
Hi all.

Does anyone here know when TNB sends out the payment advice?  today the meter reader came to my house.  to my disappointment, he only left the electricity bill.  I was expecting that he left a Payment Advice based on the reading of my Renewable Energy Meter.  I wonder if he was even awareAttached Image of the RE meter???
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The electric generation bill will sent by postage. The ordinary consumption meter and renewable energy meter are taken reading by different reader.
Once the reading taken, the tnb renewable energy will verify the reading. Once verified, the electric generation bill post to you. Then pass to account dept to credit payment into your account. When payment is made, you will receive your favorite email. May2u credit email notification!

After a day or two, your bank account will be higher figure.
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QUOTE(fireballs @ Aug 22 2013, 11:28 AM)
oh. sorry dint read your previous scenario

for offgrid, since its for own calculation, a cheapo mechanical meter is good enough. last time i saw is RM60 for this type
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The electric generation bill will sent by postage. The ordinary consumption meter and renewable energy meter are taken reading by different reader.
Once the reading taken, the tnb renewable energy will verify the reading. Once verified, the electric generation bill post to you. Then pass to account dept to credit payment into your account. When payment is made, you will receive your favorite email. May2u credit email notification!

After a day or two, your bank account will be higher figure.
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can show the generation bill? never seen one before
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Wow, This forum is so lively nowadays. Haven't been here for a while. Well just to update about my solar production to date. My system is a 3.92kwp located in Penang. Hopefully this will help you guys to decide to install and help to reduce your CO2 footprint.


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QUOTE(littledaddy70 @ Aug 26 2013, 04:26 PM)
Wow, This forum is so lively nowadays. Haven't been here for a while. Well just to update about my solar production to date. My system is a 3.92kwp located in Penang. Hopefully this will help you guys to decide to install and help to reduce your CO2 footprint.
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hey, nice one! RM5.5k+ reimbursement from a 4 kWp plant. How long have your plant been commissioned?

yup, you got these factors helping you:

1. SMA inverter :-) great choice

2. located in Penang, one of the best places in Malaysia to have a solar pv installation

3. what brand/type of panel you have?

4. who is your SI?


cheers from arjunaidi in not so sunny Putrajaya, my PV just hit the RM500 mark today, 48 days since commissioning on 9 July 2013.




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QUOTE(scoop7 @ Aug 25 2013, 12:38 AM)
can show the generation bill? never seen one before
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Sorry, I cannot help you on this. I received payment notice and payment but no generation bill send to me.

Ask any SI company, they will show you
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QUOTE(arjunaidi @ Aug 26 2013, 10:59 PM)
hey, nice one! RM5.5k+ reimbursement from a 4 kWp plant.  How long have your plant been commissioned?

yup, you got these factors helping you:

1. SMA inverter :-) great choice

2. located in Penang, one of the best places in Malaysia to have a solar pv installation

3. what brand/type of panel you have?

4.  who is your SI?
cheers from arjunaidi in not so sunny Putrajaya, my PV just hit the RM500 mark today, 48 days since commissioning on 9 July 2013.
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Comissioned some time end of december 2012. So I got a higher FIT rate. I am using 17 pieces 230kwp Panasonic panels and my SI is based in Johor but they do install nationwide. Ditrolic herad of them?
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QUOTE(avereng @ Aug 27 2013, 11:07 AM)
Sorry, I cannot help you on this. I received payment notice and payment but no generation bill send to me.

Ask any SI company, they will show you
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ok. how does payment notice looks like? Just curious
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ok. how does payment notice looks like? Just curious
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It is a Maybank2u credit notification email. Later, TNB finance dept will post a credit notice to you. By the time you received the TNB finance dept credit notice, you already finished spending the money.

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It is a Maybank2u credit notification email. Later, TNB finance dept will post a credit notice to you. By the time you received the TNB finance dept credit notice, you already finished spending the money.
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Oh... Thanks

So money comes in before notices. Is it regular payment ?
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Oh... Thanks

So money comes in before notices. Is it regular payment ?
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So far so good. It is monthly payment
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QUOTE(avereng @ Aug 28 2013, 09:00 AM)
So far so good. It is monthly payment
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pls share TNB's invoice, you can blank out sensitive info.

I can't wait to get mine.
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Is this system still open for application? I heard that there is still quota open on BFM yesterday
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http://seda.gov.my/go-home.php?omaneg=0001...000&y=45&s=2990

Good news!
yes. quotas coming

Bad news!
Rakyat malaysia have to pay extra 1%
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hi..i live in Penang..which is stated as hotspot area...im kinda interested in this solar thing..
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QUOTE(arjunaidi @ Aug 28 2013, 09:29 AM)
pls share TNB's invoice, you can blank out sensitive info.

I can't wait to get mine.
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Here is my invoice. Hope you get yours soon.


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Here is my invoice. Hope you get yours soon.
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thank you for sharing !!
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QUOTE(littledaddy70 @ Aug 29 2013, 09:26 PM)
Here is my invoice. Hope you get yours soon.
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Thank U for sharing LittleDaddy70.
Just to check - how many months did it take for U to receive the first payment from the day of commissioning by TNB & vendor?

I've been reading around and it ranges from 4 months to 6 months (if i didnt misread).
Heheh - backside itchy mar, my system was commissioned in mid Jul sweat.gif - if really 4-6 mths, then.. whoa.. next year-ish 1st payment received.


My system's stats to share:
reading on 29/08/2013 (started 16/07/2013)
Total Exported kWh: 535
Avg kWh/day: 12.08
Avg Performance /kWp: 3.02
Max kWh /day 16
Min kWh /day 3


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There is one time that I really thinking hard to invest in solar FIT but the high investment vs long ROI really turn me off. You basically need 5-7 years to re-coup your investment and left on about 14-16 years to earn you income. Will it worth it from investment standpoint alone for this kind of investment and the profit you get will need to be spend on repair and maintenance. If the intention is more on sustainability and energy conservation then is ok but from investment POI, I don't think it is worth it. Thought, challenge?
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 30 2013, 08:01 AM)
Thank U for sharing LittleDaddy70.
Just to check - how many months did it take for U to receive the first payment from the day of commissioning by TNB & vendor?

I've been reading around and it ranges from 4 months to 6 months (if i didnt misread).
Heheh - backside itchy mar, my system was commissioned in mid Jul  sweat.gif - if really 4-6 mths, then.. whoa.. next year-ish 1st payment received.
My system's stats to share:
reading on 29/08/2013 (started 16/07/2013)
Total Exported kWh: 535
Avg kWh/day: 12.08
Avg Performance /kWp: 3.02
Max kWh /day 16
Min kWh /day 3
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you are right that it took at lest 4 months. Mine comissioned at aroung end of Dec 2012 but my first payment was made in April 2013.
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QUOTE(escargo75 @ Aug 30 2013, 09:59 AM)
There is one time that I really thinking hard to invest in solar FIT but the high investment vs long ROI really turn me off. You basically need 5-7 years to re-coup your investment and left on about 14-16 years to earn you income. Will it worth it from investment standpoint alone for this kind of investment and the profit you get will need to be spend on repair and maintenance. If the intention is more on sustainability and energy conservation then is ok but from investment POI, I don't think it is worth it. Thought, challenge?
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IMHO - it depends on what other options U have with the $30K+
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biz? dont lar compare, solar isn't active income
stocks? comparably good - it's near equivalent to buying a share in a company with a P/E of 5 to 7.
REITs/rental? comparably good - U can even use leverage with available financing from SenHeng or Alliance Bank
These are assuming with cost of changing inverter every 10 years ($5K-$6K) + jet washing/cleaning once a year (panels) ($250/pa)

Donkey things to watch out for:
1. looooooong time factor to get up & running + 1st payment
2. IF personal: income tax - yeah, it's taxable
3. Do U trust TNB & SEDA with a 21 years contract? Will the vendor do a ninja-disappearing act? etc etc (similar issues with business and investing though)

Just some personal PoV & thoughts notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(littledaddy70 @ Aug 30 2013, 11:04 AM)
you are right that it took at lest 4 months. Mine comissioned at aroung end of Dec 2012 but my first payment was made in April 2013.
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Hi all,
mine commissioned at end Dec 2012 also, and my 1st payment was made in end May 2013, 2nd payment made at 1st July, then stop until now, don't know why? I will check it after Hari Merdeka.
I install 11.25 KW system. invest RM135k, (a litter high at that time, but use German panel, inverter & wire)
my Avg. Performance /kWp is 4.00+ (Kedah). Base on TNB meter calculation, until now I get RM2,200+ avg. per month.

Before i start last year, discuss with my "long hair partner", we decide to dump in this "BUSINESS" base on d reason below:
1. SOLAR business is good than to start a new business. To run a new business, we also need to spend a few K for renovation, shop renting, hiring staff, buying material, our time to JAGA the staff n money n this and that. (solar no need to do all this). And still we don't know whether d business can get RM2,000 net income instantly or not. Talk about maintainance, running business also got maintainance ; aircon leaking, water, electrict bill, staff din't come to work, customer complaint, transport etc. all the headace problem. Dont no right or not, in KEDAH, RM2000 for a business is a quite good business. Yet I can still run my existing business with no worry about my second business.
2. My few friend do more than 3 lot of solar, 12+12+12 for each house and shoplot. I Consult with them (some r developer, professioner, business man, Bird house owner(with no bird nest in the house cry.gif ), they say, "u calculate n see, u refinance your shop lot and do the solar, worth it." So I pinjam bank 15 yr. n pay Rm1,100+- monthly installment. Now with the contra, I get +-RM1,000.00 (RM2200-RM1100) each month buta buta.
3. Worth then put the money in the FD.



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Hi all,
mine commissioned at end Dec 2012 also, and my 1st payment was made in  end May 2013, 2nd payment made at 1st July,  then stop until now, don't know why? I will check it after Hari Merdeka.
I install 11.25 KW system. invest RM135k, (a litter high at that time, but use German panel, inverter & wire)
my Avg. Performance /kWp is 4.00+ (Kedah). Base on TNB meter calculation, until now I get RM2,200+ avg. per month.

Before i start last year, discuss with my "long hair partner", we decide to dump in this "BUSINESS" base on d reason below:
1. SOLAR business is good than to start a new business. To run a new business, we also need to spend a few K for renovation, shop renting, hiring staff, buying material, our time to JAGA the staff n  money n this and that. (solar no need to do all this). And still we don't know whether d business can get RM2,000 net income instantly or not. Talk about maintainance, running business also got maintainance ; aircon leaking, water, electrict bill, staff din't come to work, customer complaint, transport etc. all the headace problem. Dont no right or not, in KEDAH, RM2000 for a business is a quite good business. Yet I can still run my existing business with no worry about my second business.
2. My few friend do more than 3 lot of solar, 12+12+12 for each house and shoplot.  I Consult with them (some r developer, professioner, business man, Bird house owner(with no bird nest in the house  cry.gif ), they say, "u calculate n see, u refinance your shop lot and do the solar, worth it." So I pinjam bank 15 yr. n pay Rm1,100+- monthly installment. Now with the contra, I get +-RM1,000.00 (RM2200-RM1100) each month buta buta.
3. Worth then put the money in the FD.
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Kd8800, scary lar - U have not received for Aug yet, nearly 2 months since July 1st receipt of payment right?
Can share ar what happened when U know (ie. after U checked with TNB)?
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QUOTE(kd8800 @ Aug 30 2013, 12:05 PM)
Hi all,
mine commissioned at end Dec 2012 also, and my 1st payment was made in  end May 2013, 2nd payment made at 1st July,  then stop until now, don't know why? I will check it after Hari Merdeka.
I install 11.25 KW system. invest RM135k, (a litter high at that time, but use German panel, inverter & wire)
my Avg. Performance /kWp is 4.00+ (Kedah). Base on TNB meter calculation, until now I get RM2,200+ avg. per month.

Before i start last year, discuss with my "long hair partner", we decide to dump in this "BUSINESS" base on d reason below:
1. SOLAR business is good than to start a new business. To run a new business, we also need to spend a few K for renovation, shop renting, hiring staff, buying material, our time to JAGA the staff n  money n this and that. (solar no need to do all this). And still we don't know whether d business can get RM2,000 net income instantly or not. Talk about maintainance, running business also got maintainance ; aircon leaking, water, electrict bill, staff din't come to work, customer complaint, transport etc. all the headace problem. Dont no right or not, in KEDAH, RM2000 for a business is a quite good business. Yet I can still run my existing business with no worry about my second business.
2. My few friend do more than 3 lot of solar, 12+12+12 for each house and shoplot.  I Consult with them (some r developer, professioner, business man, Bird house owner(with no bird nest in the house  cry.gif ), they say, "u calculate n see, u refinance your shop lot and do the solar, worth it." So I pinjam bank 15 yr. n pay Rm1,100+- monthly installment. Now with the contra, I get +-RM1,000.00 (RM2200-RM1100) each month buta buta.
3. Worth then put the money in the FD.
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Here is my invoice. Hope you get yours soon.
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Hi all,
mine commissioned at end Dec 2012 also, and my 1st payment was made in  end May 2013, 2nd payment made at 1st July,  then stop until now, don't know why? I will check it after Hari Merdeka.
I install 11.25 KW system. invest RM135k, (a litter high at that time, but use German panel, inverter & wire)
my Avg. Performance /kWp is 4.00+ (Kedah). Base on TNB meter calculation, until now I get RM2,200+ avg. per month.

Before i start last year, discuss with my "long hair partner", we decide to dump in this "BUSINESS" base on d reason below:
1. SOLAR business is good than to start a new business. To run a new business, we also need to spend a few K for renovation, shop renting, hiring staff, buying material, our time to JAGA the staff n  money n this and that. (solar no need to do all this). And still we don't know whether d business can get RM2,000 net income instantly or not. Talk about maintainance, running business also got maintainance ; aircon leaking, water, electrict bill, staff din't come to work, customer complaint, transport etc. all the headace problem. Dont no right or not, in KEDAH, RM2000 for a business is a quite good business. Yet I can still run my existing business with no worry about my second business.
2. My few friend do more than 3 lot of solar, 12+12+12 for each house and shoplot.  I Consult with them (some r developer, professioner, business man, Bird house owner(with no bird nest in the house  cry.gif ), they say, "u calculate n see, u refinance your shop lot and do the solar, worth it." So I pinjam bank 15 yr. n pay Rm1,100+- monthly installment. Now with the contra, I get +-RM1,000.00 (RM2200-RM1100) each month buta buta.
3. Worth then put the money in the FD.
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May I know those who get payment from TNB, is ur system serve all ur electricity needs and those excess sell back to TNB?
and bro kd8800 system still can get RM1k per month after minus ur own electric usage?
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May I know those who get payment from TNB, is ur system serve all ur electricity needs and those excess sell back to TNB?
and bro kd8800 system still can get RM1k per month after minus ur own electric usage?
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Bro avereng cheers.gif

Bro ywkwy, my RM1000 per month income is TNB solar system bill RM2200 minus my shop loan RM1100 monthly instalment.

May I know those who get payment from TNB, is ur system serve all ur electricity needs and those excess sell back to TNB?

we sell 100% electric to TNB. For this matter, Bro avereng is very good in explanation, Bro avereng, can u pls give full detail? icon_question.gif
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May I know those who get payment from TNB, is ur system serve all ur electricity needs and those excess sell back to TNB?
and bro kd8800 system still can get RM1k per month after minus ur own electric usage?
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bro kd8800, you also know feed in tariff very well.
We joined feed in tariff scheme. feed in tariff means we generate power and 100% sell to tnb.

You mentioned bout self use and sell the balance to tnb. this is net metering scheme, which is not applicable to us.

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too bad i cant install this, once a while cat and crow drop by my roof...lol
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Guys,

There are only 2 more window of opportunity to get this year rate. If you interested, please drop an email to solar@ecosensa.com or PM me.

Check out http://solar.ecosensa.com

From SEDA website :
Putrajaya, Tuesday (27 August 2013): Sustainable Energy Development Authority Malaysia (SEDA Malaysia) during their Open Raya announces the release of 1,500kW of solar photovoltaic (PV) quota for the individuals in three batches. The first 500kW quota for individual under the Solar Home Rooftop Programme will be released on 28th August 2013 (Wednesday) followed by another 500kW on 4th September 2013 (Wednesday) and 11th September 2013 (Wednesday) at 12 noon.

According to Datin Badriyah Abdul Malek, Chief Executive Officer of SEDA Malaysia, “there will be no more release of any solar PV quota for the individuals for 2013 after 11th September because it is not realistic for these individual Feed-In Approvals Holders (FiAHs) to be able to achieve commercial operation of their PV system by year end”. Datin Badriyah added any renewable energy projects which are supposed to achieve commercial operation by this year and fails to do so will incur further degression to their Feed-In Tariff (FiT) rate as stipulated in their Feed-In Approval (FiA) certificate. It is thus important for all FiAHs to note for solar PV for the individuals, the degression rate is 8% whilst for the non-individuals, it is 20%.

Happy Investing! GREEN ENERGY, GREEN MONEY !
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how about move house to new location in the future, need to reapply again as new applicant? if no, need to certified again after install to new house location in future?

also 1% of SEDA can work out, really doubt it is a gesture to continue the further implementation or not, they can just make cancel it and not mind to compensate little money according to the style politicians run many projects experience.


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Hey guys, I still haven't seen any single post with PV vendors info? or did i miss it?

Now I knew why my client complained about how TNB owed them for months of the electricity their 1MW gas engine generated and exported to TNB grid... Let alone the other 3MW GEs that have been delayed of T&C from TNB since Dec 2012...
Who is not paying their TNB bill tongue.gif?

Just stumbled into this...
BIPV or FiT?
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Well, it wasn't hard seeing through our "smart@" politician trickery, ever since the Kumpulan Wang Tenaga Boleh Baharu shown up in Electricity Bill... It's just we have dumber civilian in general... Anyway, back to reality...

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QUOTE(neverlog @ Aug 15 2013, 07:32 PM)
Hi Im not a smart guys, I have some question as below:

For this solar system , 1KWH, TNB pay you RM1.3432

For our normal electricity bill, TNB charges us 1KWH = RM 0.218

So if continue, TNB will go bankcrupt. I can't understand the logic?

Once TNB get the electricity from your solar, it need to sell back to public? with lower price?

This business model is not right... will you buy a cake @ RM1.00 and sell to customer RM0.20?

That is why the TNB charge us monthly for the renewable energy fund 1% of our bill?

Thats why TNB have the money to pay the solar generator?

Can anyone enlighten me? Thank you very much!

Regards,
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QUOTE(fireballs @ Aug 15 2013, 07:55 PM)
tnb will not go bankrap. its footed by everyone u and me.
yes the 1% is for this purpose.
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QUOTE(neverlog @ Aug 15 2013, 08:06 PM)
So if this 1% finish, so TNB will not going to pay you.

That is why they have quota for the people to install this solar system? Once exceed the quota you cannot install anymore?
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QUOTE(neverlog @ Aug 16 2013, 10:58 AM)
Why are we forced to pay the 1% in order for other people to make money from it? Sounds like a licensed robber...
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I'm with neverlog on the overall business model... I ignored this scheme in the past for some reasons but now that my parent has been 'seduced' into putting in their life saving $$ into this plan... i got to do more to convince them not-to! Sucking up a huge up-front investment (although i know most of the $$ goes to the panel and the SI), takes years to recoup with lots of other unknown factors ie. maintenance, risk of damage to any part of the equipment; and finally depending on other's contribution (the 1% that we contributed 'quietly' - see the quote below from their press) to get the scheme running, isn't all these sounds like a ponzi scheme? And reading this thread I realised that a lot of things are not áutomated, lots of coordination works, lots of calls have to be made to get things in place, this isn't going to work for old folks.

And there is a kind of insurance being offered too, something like about over a hundred buck a year that will cover the solar panel - "all risk'' coverage. How come no one mentioned it here?


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Datin Badriyah concludes the Open Raya message by re-emphasizing the
importance of the public’s contribution to the Renewable Energy (RE) Fund which an
important step taken by the Government to support the FiT programme. Currently
electricity consumers contribute 1% of their electricity bill to the RE Fund; however
this does not include those domestic consumers whose consumption of electricity
300kWh (RM77) and less per month. Malaysia need to embrace this step in all
seriousness because the RE Fund is vital to ensure the sustainable growth of the
renewable energy portfolio and diversify our current fossil based fuel mix.

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QUOTE(ectt @ Sep 1 2013, 09:26 PM)
how about move house to new location in the future, need to reapply again as new applicant? if no, need to certified again after install to new house location in future?

also 1% of SEDA can work out, really doubt it is a gesture to continue the further implementation or not, they can just make cancel it and not mind to compensate little money according to the style politicians run many projects experience.
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The guy who spoke to me told me the contract is signed between the owner of the premises.. So if my parent moves out or sells the house in future...all $$ goes to the new owner. His ''advice'' is to factor in the future revenue and whatever cost that needs to be recoup into the house asking price! blink.gif
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number2 is correct. pv is one of the way to increase the value of the house
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The insurance company do providing the all risk coverage for the roof top solar system, like Tokio Marine, Ace Jerneh, Great Eastern and etc.
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QUOTE(numbertwo @ Sep 2 2013, 04:09 PM)
The guy who spoke to me told me the contract is signed between the owner of the premises.. So if my parent moves out or sells the house in future...all $$ goes to the new owner.  His ''advice'' is to factor in the future revenue and whatever cost that needs to be recoup into the house asking price!  blink.gif
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you mean now we install the solar panel and signed the contract with tnb at this property, later we move out to new place we cannot migrate these contract to the new property? if yes, really have to HOLD BACK!

1% of the contribution to energy feed is obviously just a symbol to tell the world they have done something but not guarantee will move on the scheme!

if switch the on-grid solar system to off-grid system, the batteries cost and maintenance cost(usually 2-4 yrs need to replace new batteries) are not cheap and may not be worth in economic sense unless for special needs/reasons.

1% energy contribution will not brew this industry sustainable, but their SEDA training / certificates programs charged quite ridiculously high, are they just doing a show to the public govt touched "green energy" already, enough? hmm.gif


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QUOTE(fireballs @ Sep 2 2013, 04:20 PM)
number2 is correct. pv is one of the way to increase the value of the house
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thin-film pv is more suitable
but pricy

anyone wants to make pv panel? we are thinking to DIY thumbup.gif

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you mean now we install the solar panel and signed the contract with tnb at this property, later we move out to new place we cannot migrate these contract to the new property? if yes, really have to  HOLD BACK!

1% of the contribution to energy feed is obviously just a symbol to tell the world they have done something but not guarantee will move on the scheme!

if switch the on-grid solar system to off-grid system, the batteries cost and maintenance cost(usually 2-4 yrs need to replace new batteries) are not cheap and may not be worth in economic sense unless for special needs/reasons.

1% energy contribution will not brew this industry sustainable, but their SEDA training / certificates programs charged quite ridiculously high, are they just doing a show to the public govt touched "green energy" already, enough? hmm.gif
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soon to be 2% if there is no objection from our cabinet..

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...or-RE-fund.aspx
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thinfilm is for those with large roof. price of tf is cheaper but less efficient. if small roof, then have to use mono.

efficiency
mono>poly>thinfilm

price
mono>poly>thinfilm
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QUOTE(fireballs @ Sep 2 2013, 10:24 PM)
thinfilm is for those with large roof. price of tf is cheaper but less efficient. if small roof, then have to use mono.

efficiency
mono>poly>thinfilm

price
mono>poly>thinfilm
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new thin film design adopted in china massive scale pv energy generation are higher efficiency then traditional one.


price is not sure but lower down much than before. very flexible for building integration or decoration purpose.


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the best stuff are still from our backyard - first solar, auosunpower, and panels from malaysiansolar

getting stuff from china is a gamble.
usual problem would be, what if 1 cell/section die off. you wont be able to get a replacement (chap lap d?)


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QUOTE(fireballs @ Sep 2 2013, 11:04 PM)
the best stuff are still from our backyard - first solar, auosunpower, and panels from malaysiansolar

getting stuff from china is a gamble.
usual problem would be, what if 1 cell/section die off. you wont be able to get a replacement (chap lap d?)
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if not mistaken, over 80% of stock are from china.


broken cell can also be used to generate energy, very cheap too. good to have fun.

cell broken is easy to replace as long as you can open the panel and solder it back.


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open panel? means water ingress.
change cell means you will have different voltage across the string. leading to hotspots and even cracks (just like mixing zinc and alcaline battery)
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open panel? means water ingress.
change cell means you will have different voltage across the string. leading to hotspots and even cracks (just like mixing zinc and alcaline battery)
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Hmmm I have been reading about this.

So is it worth investing?

Please advise. Thank you.

I am attending one of the talk soon but may be too late as it is Sept 12.

I considered this years back but throw it out of window.

But recently a friend spoke to me about this, and I have jalan for mass production of electricity due to available land.
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The domestic solar quota situation is bad. SEDA is expected to release the final 500 kW for individuals for 2013 tomorrow.

This is enough for only 125 homes of 4 kWp capacity. The quota will be snapped up within minutes of release.

I am glad I got my FiT approval in April this year. The government ought to study new ways to increase the installation of solar PV especially for individuals
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I wonder is there anyone, after T&C, then self modified put in the AC received from TNB and tap it to the receiving side of PV meter.. Day and nite also got power.. Received x5 of what you pay..

Man.. I am dreaming..
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SEDA delays release of 1,500 kW quota to 18 September 2103. Their server crashed on 4 September when it was overwhelmed with online applications.

http://seda.gov.my/go-home.php?omaneg=0001...000&y=45&s=3020
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I am sharing info on how TNB payment advice looks like. just got mine for the first time yesterday.

I like the 21 year contract :-)


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QUOTE(arjunaidi @ Sep 12 2013, 11:48 AM)
Attached File  TNB_Payment_Advice_release.pdf ( 479.73k ) Number of downloads: 224
I am sharing info on how TNB payment advice looks like.  just got mine for the first time yesterday.

I like the 21 year contract :-)
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actually just wondering, which part of the 21 year contract that you like, is it the repayment every month or the contribution of 21 years of clean energy as part of the social responsibility. I still fail to understand why parent of mine is still considering the jump...
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21 years of:

1. receiving money from TNB
2. knowing you are reducing greenhouse gases
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Energy generation is a capital intensive business.
Solar system is meant as a peak hour generation assistance.

The peak utilization for TNB is during office hour 9 to 5 pm,peaking at 11 -2-3 PM.
mostly used for air-conditioning for offices.
Thus TNB must generate enough capacity during peak hours by having more power station.
But this gas power station will be used only for 2-3 hrs a day to supplement the peak power usage .
It like buy 1 kg rice, and eat only 100 gram. 900 gram throw away.
exact usage ask TNB.

That why it;s reasonable to pay 2-5x more for solar energy from the user. because the peak solar hours are from 11 am to 3 pm. furthermore user pays the capital investment, it may be worthy.

QUOTE(numbertwo @ Sep 2 2013, 04:07 PM)

Hi Im not a smart guys, I have some question as below:

For this solar system , 1KWH, TNB pay you RM1.3432

For our normal electricity bill, TNB charges us 1KWH = RM 0.218

So if continue, TNB will go bankcrupt. I can't understand the logic?

Once TNB get the electricity from your solar, it need to sell back to public? with lower price?

This business model is not right... will you buy a cake @ RM1.00 and sell to customer RM0.20?

That is why the TNB charge us monthly for the renewable energy fund 1% of our bill?

Thats why TNB have the money to pay the solar generator?

Can anyone enlighten me? Thank you very much!

Regards,
neverlog
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QUOTE(arjunaidi @ Sep 12 2013, 11:48 AM)
Attached File  TNB_Payment_Advice_release.pdf ( 479.73k ) Number of downloads: 224
I am sharing info on how TNB payment advice looks like.  just got mine for the first time yesterday.

I like the 21 year contract :-)
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how much is your system cost? Is it 4Kwp or 8 Kwp,
let us calculate the ROI.

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Drawing public's money to pay some minorities, I can only see a major short term beneficial, that's those solar contractors.. I have problem to agree to this 'investment'. From my very primitive comparision, say invest 40K into a bond fund averaging 6% pa compares to dump in 40K into RE and getting 700 a month, minus 300-500 a year for insurance and maintenance of the solar system.. I need to wait exactly 20 years for RE to give me back the same amount of money that I have rolled from the bond fund.

Not to say this is a bad bad investment, but surely it isn't meant for any elderly..nor even someone in his midlife crisis like me. 20 years is just too long to wait, more so when you are trying to maintain an electrical/electronic panel.. so many unpredictable cost along the way I'm sure.

anyway..i just manage to convince the parent to dump this bad idea..use their 40K somewhere else to enjoy their life and they finally agree. Tks everyone. Enjoy your investment and wish everyone gets their repayment back smoothly.
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QUOTE(numbertwo @ Sep 13 2013, 07:38 AM)
Drawing public's money to pay some minorities, I can only see a major short term beneficial, that's those solar contractors..  I have problem to agree to this 'investment'.  From my very primitive comparision, say invest 40K into a bond fund averaging 6% pa compares to dump in 40K into RE and getting 700 a month, minus 300-500 a year for insurance and maintenance of the solar system.. I need to wait exactly 20 years for RE to give me back the same amount of money that I have rolled from the bond fund. 

Not to say this is a bad bad investment, but surely it isn't meant for any elderly..nor even someone in his midlife crisis like me.  20 years is just too long to wait, more so when you are trying to maintain an electrical/electronic panel.. so many unpredictable cost along the way I'm sure.

anyway..i just manage to convince the parent to dump this bad idea..use their 40K somewhere else to enjoy their life and they finally agree.  Tks everyone.  Enjoy your investment and wish everyone gets their repayment back smoothly.
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ignoring the politicking vs encouragement of alternate / renewable energy,
er.. i don't think bond funds (averaging 5%pa to 6%pa long run) will will beat a $35K+/- (it's about that cost now with Senheng jumping into the fray) 4kWp system in the long run (yes, long run 21 years mar).

i'm interested in how U manage to get to that view - worried that i missed something major hehe.
FYI - for my own calculations, i calculated based on:
4kWp
cost $38,800
generating $498/mth (i'm pessimistically optimistic tongue.gif)
yearly maintenance: $250pa (cleaning hehe)
changing inverter every 10 years: $5K (not NEEDed per se but just in case)

counting cash installation lar, not leveraged via debt - for straight comparison with buying bond funds via cash
caveat: contracted name = retiree, thus not high enough income to get taxed
if at my personal tax rate... well, it's slightly more than bond funds' long term average but not worth the risk & hassles sweat.gif

Thus, if your parents have already a diversified portfolio of investment assets, this may be a good idea.
FYI - i've uploaded a ZIPped Excel file somewhere here with the calculations. U can play with the variables to see What Ifs or add costs to the structure to see worthwhile or not.

Just a thought notworthy.gif
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I'm quite poor in mathematics bro.. I am making an assumption that all I have now is 40K. So, which one gives me more flexibility in 20 years when I need my money back.. And to top that out, my bond fund is generating a compound interests of 6% a year..so I'm sure you can get the total worth in 20 years.. Even for a short term like 10 years time, my total worth of my bond funds would be many times worth more that what I have recovered back from RE. Yes I use the word 'recover' that is because my whole 40K is one way out and no means of terminating, purely waiting for the 8K+ a year to slowly recover back.

Investment to me is about liquidity too.. I have joint too much of those lumpsum investment that locks you in for 10, 20 years , and I have came to a conclusion that they are not worthy especially for someone that needs liquidity to his investment. I want a to have a solid control to my investment and RE has failed on that aspect. Tks bro for deliberating.
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QUOTE(numbertwo @ Sep 13 2013, 08:11 AM)
I'm quite poor in mathematics bro..  I am making an assumption that all I have now is 40K.  So, which one gives me more flexibility in 20 years when I need my money back..  And to top that out, my bond fund is generating a compound interests of 6% a year..so I'm sure you can get the total worth in 20 years..  Even for a short term like 10 years time, my total worth of my bond funds would be many times worth more that what I have recovered back from RE.  Yes I use the word 'recover' that is because my whole 40K is one way out and no means of terminating, purely waiting for the 8K+ a year to slowly recover back.

Investment to me is about liquidity too.. I have joint too much of those lumpsum investment that locks you in for 10, 20 years , and I have came to a conclusion that they are not worthy especially for someone that needs liquidity to his investment.  I want a to have a solid control to my investment and RE has failed on that aspect.  Tks bro for deliberating.
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For me my preliminary motive of installing this solar pv system is to reduce my carbon foot print ... In view of huge cost of investment, now this FIT came at the right time to subsidy us, thus the ROI is secondary, as long having 10 - 12% p.a I'm more than happy ...

Waiting the installation of mine which shall happen in next 2 weeks time ...
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I am not sure anyone here brought up 1 point: Solar Panel has lifespan. It will deteriorate over time due to weather. This means year over year, the solar panels will become less effective in energy conversion to electricity. Therefore, your ROI period will be dragging longer and longer.


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thats correct. most panels give 20 years warranty with reduced efficiency to 80%. keep that in mind.
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I am not sure anyone here brought up 1 point: Solar Panel has lifespan. It will deteriorate over time due to weather. This means year over year, the solar panels will become less effective in energy conversion to electricity. Therefore, your ROI period will be dragging longer and longer.
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QUOTE(fireballs @ Sep 13 2013, 04:48 PM)
thats correct. most panels give 20 years warranty with reduced efficiency to 80%. keep that in mind.
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Assuming 20% deterioration in 20 years, that's 0.083333% pm deterioration in efficiency if based on a simple straight-line method.
Yup - point already brought up, noted, calculated.

I wonder why some folks who wonder about returns & stuff makes statements which cannot be substantiated with calculations wan ar..
There are always pros/cons to all investments.
"Kopitiam" ke, "Finance, Biz & Investment House"..

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Assuming 20% deterioration in 20 years, that's 0.083333% pm deterioration in efficiency if based on a simple straight-line method.
Yup - point already brought up, noted, calculated.

I wonder why some folks who wonder about returns & stuff makes statements which cannot be substantiated with calculations wan ar..
There are always pros/cons to all investments.
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I guess the main concern is how credible is the 20% reduction of efficiency as claimed? Is it based on our Malaysia climate?

As I know different vendor has different grade of solar panels. Furthermore, solar panels are not efficient when the temperature is high even we have sunlight year long.


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QUOTE(Dothan @ Sep 13 2013, 05:24 PM)
I guess the main concern is how credible is the 20% reduction of efficiency as claimed? Is it based on our Malaysia climate?

As I know different vendor has different grade of solar panels. Furthermore, solar panels are not efficient when the temperature is high even we have sunlight year long.
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not mentioned 20 yrs, are we sure the manufacturer or the system installer business still operated within 10 yrs? where to claim the warranty by then if they close their business? hmm.gif


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20% 'depreciation' allowance. means if more than 20%, you can claim warranty. better brands means less likely to reduce efficiency.

should you need to claim, then it becomes difficult, as odd brands may not have stock for you to claim, and gives you nearest approximate. this creates another set of problem on incompatibility
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Hi guys, I wanted to setup 4kw or 6kw, appreciate can someone send me your quote to me. 1greenhills2@gmail.com

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Good morning everyone. Today is THE Day.

Wish all those that are submitting will get what you wanted!

Those interested to find out more, do not hesitate to PM me or drop an email to " solar @ ecosensa.com " or visit http://solar.ecosensa.com

FYI, I think previously all the concurrent submission of Customer Application crashed the system @ 4th Sept

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Press Release : SEDA Malaysia Announces Deferment of Release of Solar PV Quota for Individuals to 18th September 2013

Putrajaya (Wednesday, 11 September 2013): The Chairman of SEDA Malaysia Y.Bhg. Datuk Dr Yee Moh Chai today announced the next release of 1,500 kW (or 1.5 MW) solar PV quota for the individual will be on the Wednesday, 18th September 2013. SEDA Malaysia recently announced the release of 1,500kW solar PV quota for individuals which would be released in three batches. The second batch of 500kW solar PV quota which should have been released on 4th September 2013 but was called off due to an unexpected overwhelming number of incoming traffic to SEDA Malaysia’s portal. The overwhelming interest in this Programme from the public exceeded SEDA Malaysia’s expectations and has prevented the system from catering to the sudden huge increase in load according to YBhg Datin Badriyah Abdul Malek, CEO of SEDA Malaysia. Datin Badriyah assured SEDA Malaysia will fortify the portal’s servers to sustain the incoming traffic in the next release.


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Today's available quota is 1.5 MW. that's equivalent of 375 installations of 4kWp. not much, so I predict the quota will be snapped up quick.

the govt ought to improve the FiT system to cater for a million homes to be grid connected, but the mechanics of the FiT payout (where, how, whom, etc) have to be ironed out.
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Today's quota snatched up within 2 hrs. I don't think the quota system should be about who has the most or fastest fingers or the quickest internet speed but the quality of each Solar installation.

I think SEDA ought to implement for every quota application, SEDA would call and confirm the qualified person that he/she has applied, so that the certification is not mis-used. This issue was addressed in the previous SEDA briefing.

I think also SEDA should also put a quota for every qualified person can only have a certain amount of quota application per year under his/her name.
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Just like I predicted. the govt must rethink the FiT system.

here is what a foreign observer wrote about the FiT system

http://www.cleanbiz.asia/blogs/fit-purpose...ht#.UjnDID-bH4I
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QUOTE(arjunaidi @ Sep 18 2013, 11:47 PM)
Just like I predicted.  the govt must rethink the FiT system.

here is what a foreign observer wrote about the FiT system

http://www.cleanbiz.asia/blogs/fit-purpose...ht#.UjnDID-bH4I
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The foreign observer did not read SEDA vision.
SEDA focus on promotion of renewable energy development. Solar PV is the easiest renewable energy source available for public. SEDA wants renewable energy awareness among public. Solar PV apparently the best choice.
For example, when you installed at your house, your family (assume 4 persons) will learn bout solar pv as renewable energy. Then, your neighbors learned as well (assume 2 houses with 8 pax). Later, the whole Taman will know solar panel on your roof (This can be 500 pax).
One installation will create 500 rakyat awareness in renewable energy.

The biomass, biogas and small hydro can contribute much higher generation but the impact on renewable energy awareness is minimum. The workers in these renewable energy plant will know but anyone outside will not know.

Anyway, BIG SALUTE to pioneer of malaysia renewable energy producer in Suria1000 and SREP program. They started before FiT
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thanks, avereng. You have a valid point about SEDA's vision.

also, I salute the suria1000 pioneers. they took the plunge when others hesitated.

still, we need a system that rewards the rakyat who invest in solar for domestic use. TNB should recognize the fact that multiple solar installations help in meeting peak demand.

Many solar ASPs are now in a jam. Many customers but can't move forward because cannot get quota.
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QUOTE(avereng @ Sep 19 2013, 06:00 PM)
The foreign observer did not read SEDA vision.
SEDA focus on promotion of renewable energy development. Solar PV is the easiest renewable energy source available for public. SEDA wants renewable energy awareness among public. Solar PV apparently the best choice.
For example, when you installed at your house, your family (assume 4 persons) will learn bout solar pv as renewable energy. Then, your neighbors learned as well (assume 2 houses with 8 pax). Later, the whole Taman will know solar panel on your roof (This can be 500 pax).
One installation will create 500 rakyat awareness in renewable energy.

The biomass, biogas and small hydro can contribute much higher generation but the impact on renewable energy awareness is minimum. The workers in these renewable energy plant will know but anyone outside will not know.

Anyway, BIG SALUTE to pioneer of malaysia renewable energy producer in Suria1000 and SREP program. They started before FiT
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to make it awareness and benefit more people, highly propose streamline the installation to DIY level, standardise and ease the application.

solar panel, inverters, and accessories nowadays are getting cheaper


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so the quota that just released is finished? can still apply?
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Hi all, anyone hear abt the Jet solar, can we trust this installer?
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SEDA is organzing dialog sessionwith Feed-in Approval Holders on 20 Oct 2013 (Sun).

I have registered and will attend to bring up some proposals for the FiT problem.

http://seda.gov.my/?omaneg=000101000000010...000&y=45&s=3070
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did the Coupon Code: 1234 work?

it give invalid coupon code.

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just ignore it. the dialog is free
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QUOTE(arjunaidi @ Sep 12 2013, 11:48 AM)
Attached File  TNB_Payment_Advice_release.pdf ( 479.73k ) Number of downloads: 224
I am sharing info on how TNB payment advice looks like.  just got mine for the first time yesterday.

I like the 21 year contract :-)
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So 2 months will yield 465kwhr of electricity? 1 month around 200kwhr.. not bad
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yes, I wished I had installed a system of 4kWp. this is my next project, to increase my capacity to 4kWp.
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yes, I wished I had installed a system of 4kWp.  this is my next project, to increase my capacity to 4kWp.
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This is the output for how many kwp?
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This is a simple calculation for a system of 4 kWp capacity.

power generation per month = 4 kW x 3.3333 hours* x 30 days = 400 kWh per month

FiT rate for 2013 (and for the next 21 years)= RM1.3708 per kWh

FiT payment by TNB per month is = 400 kWh x RM 1.3708 per kWh = RM548 per month

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3.3333 hours is Peak Sun Hours factor, i.e. the no. of hours per day when the solar intensity is at the maximum.

pls see the SEDA FAQ http://seda.gov.my/go-home.php?omaneg=0001...000000000000000
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This is the daily production output from my 2.5 kWp system. I am happy, on many days the system output exceeded the expectation of 8.3 kWh per day.

Sep: 240.12 kWh (x RM1.3708= RM329)
Aug: 243.11 kWh
Jul: 160.29 kWh (system was connected to TNB on 9 July, = 22 days production in July)


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QUOTE(arjunaidi @ Oct 1 2013, 01:13 AM)
This is the daily production output from my 2.5 kWp system.  I am happy, on many days the system output exceeded the expectation of 8.3 kWh per day.

Sep: 240.12 kWh  (x RM1.3708= RM329)
Aug: 243.11 kWh
Jul:  160.29 kWh (system was connected to TNB on 9 July, = 22 days production in July)
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From your Sept generation 240kWh, can translate into 240kWh/2.5kWp/30days = 3.2kWh/kWp
3.2kWh/kWp is acceptable performance. smile.gif

Last month is a good month. My system performance reached 3.7kWh/kWp
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Hi avereng,

pls describe your system.

Capacity:
Panel manuf:
Watt:
no of panels

inverter:

System Integratror.

any pictures?
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Hi avereng,

pls describe your system.

Capacity:
Panel manuf:
Watt:
no of panels

inverter:

System Integratror.

any pictures?
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I already shared before some where in this post.

Capacity: 7.68kWp
Panel: BYD poly 240W
No of panel: 32 pcs
Orientation: North south
Inverter: 2 pcs PowerOne PVI-3.6
Monitoring: Solarlog
Operation history: Since Dec 2012

How bout you?

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My system

Capacity: 2.5kWp
Panels: 10 x Bosch Monocrystalline 245W
Inverter: SMA 3000TL
Remote monitoing: Sunny Webbox
Commissioning date: 09 July 2013

Online viewing: https://www.sunnyportal.com/Templates/Publi...dc&splang=en-US


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QUOTE(arjunaidi @ Oct 1 2013, 10:09 PM)
My system

Capacity:  2.5kWp
Panels: 10 x Bosch Monocrystalline 245W
Inverter: SMA 3000TL
Remote monitoing: Sunny Webbox
Commissioning date: 09 July 2013

Online viewing: https://www.sunnyportal.com/Templates/Publi...dc&splang=en-US
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I just installed 4kWP system last week. Now waiting commissioning by TNB

My system

Capacity: 4.00kWp
Panel: BYD poly 250W
No of panel: 16 pcs
Orientation: 8 pieces North + 8 pieces East
Inverter: 1 pc PowerOne PVI-4.2

very curious now of the potential output ... would update after it is commission ....



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QUOTE(arjunaidi @ Oct 1 2013, 10:09 PM)
My system

Capacity:  2.5kWp
Panels: 10 x Bosch Monocrystalline 245W
Inverter: SMA 3000TL
Remote monitoing: Sunny Webbox
Commissioning date: 09 July 2013

Online viewing: https://www.sunnyportal.com/Templates/Publi...dc&splang=en-US
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I just installed 4kWP system last week. Now waiting commissioning by TNB

My system

Capacity: 4.00kWp
Panel: BYD poly 250W
No of panel: 16 pcs
Orientation: 8 pieces North + 8 pieces East
Inverter: 1 pc PowerOne PVI-4.2

very curious now of the potential output ... would update after it is commission ....



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QUOTE(ls71 @ Oct 1 2013, 10:23 PM)
I just installed 4kWP system last week. Now waiting commissioning by TNB

My system

Capacity: 4.00kWp
Panel: BYD poly 250W
No of panel: 16 pcs
Orientation: 8 pieces North + 8 pieces East
Inverter: 1 pc PowerOne PVI-4.2

very curious now of the potential output ... would update after it is commission ....
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Your system performance most likely will similar mine
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QUOTE(ls71 @ Oct 1 2013, 10:23 PM)
I just installed 4kWP system last week. Now waiting commissioning by TNB

My system

Capacity: 4.00kWp
Panel: BYD poly 250W
No of panel: 16 pcs
Orientation: 8 pieces North + 8 pieces East
Inverter: 1 pc PowerOne PVI-4.2

very curious now of the potential output ... would update after it is commission ....
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where is your location? Seaside areas are better than inland places in Malaysia. Solar irradiance is higher near seaside.
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QUOTE(arjunaidi @ Oct 2 2013, 12:57 PM)
where is your location?  Seaside areas are better than inland places in Malaysia.  Solar irradiance is higher near seaside.
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My house located in Seri Kembangan, just beside Ayer Hitam Reserved Forest ... just wish to have average 400 kw averagw output pm from my system ...
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QUOTE(ls71 @ Oct 2 2013, 11:08 PM)
My house  located in Seri Kembangan, just beside Ayer Hitam Reserved Forest ... just wish to have average 400 kw averagw output pm from my system ...
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4kWp system to yield 400kWh per month should be no problem
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That's good news. My site is in Kuantan, abt 2km from the beach.
My invertor is Kaco. going to installed this month. hope can connect to monitoring apps like what i see in arjunaidi setup.


QUOTE(arjunaidi @ Oct 2 2013, 12:57 PM)
where is your location?  Seaside areas are better than inland places in Malaysia.  Solar irradiance is higher near seaside.
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Kaco is a good German manufacturer. For monitoring apps, each inverter manufacturer have their own monitoring equipment at extra cost. I think a monitoring system is essential. If you don't install one, you may never know how your system is performing, or even worse, you are not aware of a faulty system.

I monitor mine on a daily basis to know how much RM I get each day :-) for the next 21 years.
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sorry forgot to ask, who is your SI?
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This is link to a KACO fanboy (USA dealer) page, KACO vs SMA. I think SMA products rock :-)

http://smavskaco.com/
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well, didn't know in the invertor world also has it's hondas and toyotas..

how abt warranty period for the invertor? My SI says it's 7 years.


QUOTE(arjunaidi @ Oct 3 2013, 12:57 PM)
This is link to a KACO fanboy (USA dealer) page, KACO vs SMA.  I think SMA products rock :-)

http://smavskaco.com/
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Hi people,

I have posted my solar installation story in an electrical engineering blog

http://www.jestineyong.com/solar-renewable...y-installation/

enjoy :-)
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QUOTE(arjunaidi @ Oct 3 2013, 08:51 PM)
Hi people,

I have posted my solar installation story in an electrical engineering blog

http://www.jestineyong.com/solar-renewable...y-installation/

enjoy :-)
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Nicely written arjunaidi
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QUOTE(arjunaidi @ Oct 3 2013, 12:47 PM)
Kaco is a good German manufacturer.  For monitoring apps, each inverter manufacturer have their own monitoring equipment at extra cost.  I think a monitoring system is essential.  If you don't install one, you may never know how your system is performing, or even worse, you are not aware of a faulty system.

I monitor mine on a daily basis to know how much RM I get each day :-)  for the next 21 years.
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Hi, how u install your monitoring tools? Sorry on my ignorance ya ...
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Short answer:

1. install a hardware such as SMA WebbBox monitoring equipment
2. register monitoring software at SMA Sunny Portal

http://www.sma.de/en/products/monitoring-systems.html

Further reading:

http://www.pvresources.com/pvsystems/monitoring.aspx

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Hi,

Anyone here got any good or reputable installer to recommend me? Can PM me. Thanks!


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Hi all. I am happy to share another milestone in my solar installation:

today cumulative energy exported breached the RM1,000 mark.



not bad for a 2.5kWp system, connected to TNB since 09 July 2013.

average income = RM10.80 per day. 21 more years to go .

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Hi,

Anyone here got any good or reputable installer to recommend me? Can PM me. Thanks!
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Dear kevinpoh,

Sent a Pm to you.

Thanks
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QUOTE(arjunaidi @ Oct 6 2013, 11:13 PM)
Short answer:

1. install a hardware such as SMA WebbBox monitoring equipment
2. register monitoring software at SMA Sunny Portal

http://www.sma.de/en/products/monitoring-systems.html

Further reading:

http://www.pvresources.com/pvsystems/monitoring.aspx
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Thanks, I would figure it out later rclxms.gif
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How long does this take to break even on your setup costs? Roughly.
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RM800 for a 300W solar panel expensive?

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How long does this take to break even on your setup costs? Roughly.
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RM800 for a 300W solar panel expensive?
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depends on your volume. if 1-2 pieces, this price is OK.
if buy more, many better choice out there.

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depends on your volume. if 1-2 pieces, this price  is OK.
if buy more, many better choice out there.
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how much an inverter cost in market which can handle 9kWp system? any suggestion and notes need to know when buying such inverter? any spec and certification needed for Malaysia ? thanks notworthy.gif

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how much an inverter cost in market which can handle 9kWp system? any suggestion and notes need to know when buying such inverter? any spec and certification needed for Malaysia ? thanks notworthy.gif
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From my understanding, 9kW inverter is uncommon but you can use 8kW inverter. It is good to undersize your inverter by 10%.
Any suggestion for spec? Put aside brand and focus on spec and standards. You can go to seda website to download 2014 testing and commissioning requirements for PV system. You will find all necessary standards in the doc.

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From my understanding, 9kW inverter is uncommon but you can use 8kW inverter. It is good to undersize your inverter by 10%.
Any suggestion for spec? Put aside brand and focus on spec and standards. You can go to seda website to download 2014 testing and commissioning requirements for PV system. You will find all necessary standards in the doc.
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Hello all,

Happy to share this email with all who are interested :-)

study visits by prior appointment always welcome. pm me.


cheers from sunny Putrajaya,
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Waiting for my 12kWp system to be fully installed. Anyone with 12kWp that can confirm their monthly generation and carbon footprint?

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Hi there.

Your 12 kWp system should yield about 1,200 kWh per month or 40 kWh/day. Assuming you have got the 2013 rate of RM1.3708 per kWh, then you can expect to get 1,200 x 1.3708 = RM 1,645 per month.

Terms & conditions apply, as they say in the advertising world ;-)

Mind giving more info on your set-up? Inverter, panels, location?

enjoy your PV earnings for the next 21 years. junaidi.
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Hi all expert,

I am from Melaka Ayer Keroh area and very interested to know more on this system.

My house is corner lot and my main door facing North. Corner is facing West.

Welcome system installer to contact me for the 4KW system installation.
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Can i ask this rm637 is what duration? monthly? I think your installation is a 2.x kv.

QUOTE(arjunaidi @ Oct 17 2013, 06:15 PM)
Hello all,

Happy to share this email with all who are interested :-)

study visits by prior appointment always welcome. pm me.


cheers from sunny Putrajaya,
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Yes, mine is a 2.5kWp system. the payment was the first since T&C, so it was for 2 months' reading of the PV meter.
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Hi there.

Your 12 kWp system should yield about 1,200 kWh per month or 40 kWh/day.  Assuming you have got the 2013 rate of RM1.3708 per kWh, then you can expect to get 1,200 x 1.3708 = RM 1,645 per month.

Terms & conditions apply, as they say in the advertising world ;-)

Mind giving more info on your set-up? Inverter, panels, location?

enjoy your PV earnings for the next 21 years. junaidi.
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I do have the amount written in paper, but was just wondering what actual will be.

My Setup:
Inverter: 1x SMA Sunny Boy
Panel: 48x Panasonic 245Wp (Morning - NE, Evening - SW)
Location: Penang

Thanks Junaidi
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QUOTE(lcwsherman @ Oct 18 2013, 12:53 PM)
I do have the amount written in paper, but was just wondering what actual will be.

My Setup:
Inverter: 1x SMA Sunny Boy
Panel: 48x Panasonic 245Wp (Morning - NE, Evening - SW)
Location: Penang

Thanks Junaidi
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Welcome to Small Renewable IPP Club
When your system commissioned?
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QUOTE(lcwsherman @ Oct 18 2013, 12:53 PM)
I do have the amount written in paper, but was just wondering what actual will be.

My Setup:
Inverter: 1x SMA Sunny Boy
Panel: 48x Panasonic 245Wp (Morning - NE, Evening - SW)
Location: Penang

Thanks Junaidi
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Should be using SMA Sunny Tripower (blue color) instead of Sunny Boy. I don't think there is a 1x Sunny Boy inverter that can support the setup.

Locke
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QUOTE(locke @ Oct 18 2013, 03:57 PM)
Should be using SMA Sunny Tripower (blue color) instead of Sunny Boy. I don't think there is a 1x bSunny Boy inverter that can support the setup.

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Locke, you are really an expert. Yes, you are right... It is SMA Sunny Tripower STP 12000TL.

Commission date is still to be confirmed; hopefully next month smile.gif
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Locke, you are really an expert. Yes, you are right... It is SMA Sunny Tripower STP 12000TL.

Commission date is still to be confirmed; hopefully next month smile.gif
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Your system is 11.76kW. Pretty big!
you must have huge roof
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Your system is 11.76kW. Pretty big!
you must have huge roof
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The panels are very close to the edge and almost the whole roof is occupied. But still have space to move about for cleaning.

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12 kWp is the maximum capcity allowed by SEDA for each individual. monthly income of RM1,600 is expected.
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I am plugging for my friend here.

PM me if you require his contact. He is certified installer for home solar PV (from SEDA application to home installation).
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Hello all,

I was at SEDA dialogue with Feed-in Tariff Approval Holders (FiAHs) yesterday. At the dialogue, SEDA CEO confirmed that there will be no more quota release in 2013. Anybody interested to install grid connected solar system will have to apply for 2014 quota.

Other major points raised during Q& A:
- after 21 year Renewable Energy Power Purchasing Agreement (REPPA) between FiAH and TNB expires, a Net-Metering scheme would probably be used.
- Additional bonus rate for solar panels used as a building material will be subject to verification by SEDA inspector
- FiAHs can check TNB e-Services website after mid Nov 2013 where they can view their RE Payment Advice
- if one's solar PV system is not performing, there will be no penalty from TNB (only for residential installation.)
- to increase solar system capacity, one must apply to SEDA, approval is subject to quota availability
- SEDA has submitted proposal for 2014 degression rate to the Ministry of Energy, Green Technology and Water (KETTHA) for approval
- SEDA confirmed income from solar panel installation at homes are subject to income tax. Treasury has rejected SEDA's proposal that domestic installations should be exempted from income tax.
- many questions on delayed payment from TNB. assured by TNB Dr Ahmad Jaafar that TNB will pay within 30 days of verified invoice as contained in the REPPA.


I met at least one forum member at the function yesterday. was anyone else from this forum there? perhaps you can add any points that was raised that I may have missed.

I also found this article from a Thai website. Malaysia should follow their example.

http://www.pv-tech.org/news/thailand_to_tr...not_operational

cheers from not so sunny Putrajaya

arjunaidi

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Hi all,

With an average of 3.5kWh/kWp a day generated from the PV, can we live off of the PV panels without selling it TNB? Is it wise to go that route? How many kW does a house use?
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Hi all,

With an average of 3.5kWh/kWp a day generated from the PV, can we live off of the PV panels without selling it TNB? Is it wise to go that route? How many kW does a house use?
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My friend, IMHO, with current Malaysian urban lifestyle, it is not possible for u to use all electric from panel without selling.
PV only generate during daytime and most of us already when to work/school. The only main usage of household is refrigerator, which consume average +/-300W
but still unconstant load.
We use energy most at late afternoon and night. Kettle start boiling, aircon switch on, tv switch on etc. But at this moment, PV not working.
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sad.gif bye bye 2013 tariff...
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QUOTE(avereng @ Oct 22 2013, 10:17 AM)
My friend, IMHO, with current Malaysian urban lifestyle, it is not possible for u to use all electric from panel without selling.
PV only generate during daytime and most of us already when to work/school. The only main usage of household is refrigerator, which consume average +/-300W 
but still unconstant load.
We use energy most at late afternoon and night. Kettle start boiling, aircon switch on, tv switch on etc. But at this moment, PV not working.
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Which is why there is actually a separate system that doesn't connect to the TNB grid. Instead, it goes straight into batteries as storage for usage at night, etc.
This system is not cheap, though (may cost 25-50% more over standard integrated-rooftop-to-grid systems). Many look at solar PV and the first thing they think is to generate electricity for own consumption (assuming they haven't read/know anything about FiT), not knowing that it's actually illegal for self-consumption in places with TNB grid. To protect TNB, obviously.

Still, if this is actually allowed/legalized/permitted one day and the installation can be done at a lower cost, it is a feasible method of providing energy for day to day use. Although I do agree with you that refrigerators are one of the main power drainer in the house, I'm not quite sure if a refrigerator consumes an average of +/-300W a day (300W an hour is more likely, but that would have to be a very old refrigerator, probably like a 25 year old refrigerator?). As far as I know, most of the newer refrigerators are more efficient than say, 5 or 10 years ago. But that still wouldn't bring it down to 300W a day. A newer refrigerator would probably do around 1.5-2kWh per day, or about 60kWh monthly.
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It does not make economic sense to install a system that is 100% for own use. Such a system is called 0ff-grid. It make sense only for installations in remote areas not connected to TNB.

Batteries are expensive, need maintenance and replacement. They are sometimes toxic or hazardous materials.
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Hello all,

A positive note in Budget speech today was the PM's announcement that ministry buildings would be fitted with solar panels and LED lights in stages.

haha, I already have both at my home.
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Off topic. I noticed KLIA is installing solar panels on roof. Is it confirmed?
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QUOTE(arjunaidi @ Oct 25 2013, 05:47 PM)
It does not make economic sense to install a system that is 100% for own use.  Such a system is called 0ff-grid.  It make sense only for installations in remote areas not connected to TNB.

Batteries are expensive, need maintenance and replacement.  They are sometimes toxic or hazardous materials.
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It doesn't make economic sense, yes. I never questioned that fact. I did mentioned that IF, I repeat, IF, off-grid is legalized and can be done at a lower cost, it will be a feasible source of energy. My original point is that your argument of not being able to utilize all the energy generated from a 3.5kWh system is invalid.

And either way, you can only install off-grid at places not reached by TNB. Any off-grid installations on TNB-covered areas would be deemed as illegal.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 15 2013, 12:09 AM)
Most solar panels manufacturers priced their products for 5+ years pay back period.

Solar panels manufacturers only tell output of solar cell but not losses on conversion from DC to AC.

Existing roofs structure are not designed to take any additional load.

Like solar water heater, by the time you recover your investment, it is time for you to replace with new units.

Solar electric is nothing new if it is feasible, many would have installed by now.
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how about radiation?

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how about radiation?
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Solar panel system not suppose to generate any harmful radiation. It should be safe.
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I have a good friend in Puchong doing SOLAR PV installation (from SEDA application right up to installation). He has done for a few houses already. Those interested to know more please PM me. Thank you. cool2.gif
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12 kWp is the maximum capcity allowed by SEDA for each individual.  monthly income of RM1,600 is expected.
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I believe individual is allowed 24kWp with 2 setup of 12kWp. It would be crazy to do so... installation does not come cheap.
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I believe individual is allowed 24kWp with 2 setup of 12kWp. It would be crazy to do so... installation does not come cheap.
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You're correct. 12kWp max per setup, each individual can only hold two FiaH Certificate.
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Anyone interested to prepare for next year quota application, please PM me

Or email to solar@ecosensa.com , please prepare your house drawing ( you can get from the last few pages of your SPA )
We shall design the solar system and quote you accordingly.

Update & Sharing : we are completing an installation in Setia Eco Park today . 8kwp rclxm9.gif

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QUOTE(arjunaidi @ Oct 21 2013, 12:31 PM)
Hello all,

I was at SEDA dialogue with Feed-in Tariff Approval Holders (FiAHs) yesterday.  At the dialogue, SEDA CEO confirmed that there will be no more quota release in 2013.  Anybody interested to install grid connected solar system will have to apply for 2014 quota.

Other major points raised during Q& A:
- after 21 year Renewable Energy Power Purchasing Agreement (REPPA) between FiAH and TNB expires, a Net-Metering scheme would probably be used.
- Additional bonus rate for solar panels used as a building material will be subject to verification by SEDA inspector
- FiAHs can check TNB e-Services website after mid Nov 2013 where they can view their RE Payment Advice
- if one's solar PV system is not performing, there will be no penalty from TNB (only for residential installation.)
- to increase solar system capacity, one must apply to SEDA, approval is subject to quota availability
- SEDA has submitted proposal for 2014 degression rate to the Ministry of Energy, Green Technology and Water (KETTHA) for approval
- SEDA confirmed income from solar panel installation at homes are subject to income tax.  Treasury has rejected SEDA's proposal that domestic installations should be exempted from income tax.
- many questions on delayed payment from TNB.  assured by TNB Dr Ahmad Jaafar that TNB will pay within 30 days of verified invoice as contained in the REPPA.
I met at least one forum member at the function yesterday. was anyone else from this forum there?  perhaps you can add any points that was raised that I may have missed.

I also found this article from a Thai website.  Malaysia should follow their example.

http://www.pv-tech.org/news/thailand_to_tr...not_operational

cheers from not so sunny Putrajaya

arjunaidi
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Hi Arjunaidi, I was there. Representing myself ( i am a FiAH ) and my customer also thumbup.gif

Some interesting info and statistic to share here >> http://solarmalaysiafit.blogspot.com/2013/...ral-region.html <<

For those that miss this event, summary of the dialog : "Choose your consultant and system integrator wisely".
Find the SI that you are "comfortable" with. Registered with SEDA. With inhouse ISPQ. With PW4 that attended SEDA training.
Dont be penny wise, pound foolish.
You go for cheap stuff. You get cheap stuff.
If you want more info, PM me. Free consultancy and info sharing. Glad to do that.
Those believe in this investment vehicle. You are advised to plan and prepare early and get ready.

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Yup. Jumping on the wagon early is probably the best thing to do. If the FiT rate continue to drop after 2014, it wont be a smart investment anymore.
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Hi Arjunaidi, I was there. Representing myself ( i am a FiAH ) and my customer also  thumbup.gif

Some interesting info and statistic to share here >> http://solarmalaysiafit.blogspot.com/2013/...ral-region.html  <<

For those that miss this event, summary of the dialog : "Choose your consultant and system integrator wisely".
Find the SI that you are "comfortable" with. Registered with SEDA. With inhouse ISPQ. With PW4 that attended SEDA training.
Dont be penny wise, pound foolish.
You go for cheap stuff. You get cheap stuff.
If you want more info, PM me. Free consultancy and info sharing. Glad to do that.
Those believe in this investment vehicle. You are advised to plan and prepare early and get ready.

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Putrajaya 4 installations approved in 2013. Mine was the 4th :-)

Yes, i totally agree with kongkokking. Don't be penny wise and pound foolish. You want a system that's going to work for at least 21 years.

cheers,

arjunaidi in sunny Putrajaya

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QUOTE(arjunaidi @ Oct 31 2013, 01:17 PM)
Putrajaya 4 installations approved in 2013.  Mine was the 4th :-)

Yes, i totally agree with kongkokking. Don't be penny wise and pound foolish.  You want a system that's going to work for at least 21 years.

cheers,

arjunaidi in sunny Putrajaya
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How do we know we are getting a good deal or bad? I believe most of the panels and inverters available in our market are mainly coming from well known brand. Unless we use unknown brand and the workmanship from the service provider is bad.
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How do we know we are getting a good deal or bad?  I believe most of the panels and inverters available in our market are mainly coming from well known brand.  Unless we use unknown brand and the workmanship from the service provider is bad.
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Agree...
Most products comes with warranty and hence the only worry is the workmanship. But workmanship also comes with 1 year warranty (like for my installation). They will ensure output are met, else they will perform adjustment.

Hard to know if the company has good reputation, unless being recommended by people that have received the service.
I think, the major problem is delay in service from the company; like application submission, T&C triggering, planning, ...
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QUOTE(andrewsh @ Oct 31 2013, 08:23 PM)
How do we know we are getting a good deal or bad?  I believe most of the panels and inverters available in our market are mainly coming from well known brand.  Unless we use unknown brand and the workmanship from the service provider is bad.
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Well known brand doesn't necessarily means it's good. There are many well known brands in the solar industry right now that produces mediocre quality inverters and solar panels. Do your own research, read up everywhere and find every single source to understand more about your investment. Just like what you would do if you wanna buy a house, a car, etc.

QUOTE(lcwsherman @ Oct 31 2013, 11:39 PM)
Agree...
Most products comes with warranty and hence the only worry is the workmanship. But workmanship also comes with 1 year warranty (like for my installation). They will ensure output are met, else they will perform adjustment.

Hard to know if the company has good reputation, unless being recommended by people that have received the service.
I think, the major problem is delay in service from the company; like application submission, T&C triggering, planning, ...
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The major delay in service is usually not from the company, but more towards SEDA/TNB side. Because the faster the company can clear a case, the better it is for their reputation. Some cases that are approved by SEDA may take up to months for them to release the FiT certificates. For TNB side, there are delays due to their short working hours and days for the document processing side. You brought up a good point too; T&C. Dealing with the T&C technicians is a major headache for both the customer and company. Government bodies, faham faham lah.
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Well known brand doesn't necessarily means it's good. There are many well known brands in the solar industry right now that produces mediocre quality inverters and solar panels. Do your own research, read up everywhere and find every single source to understand more about your investment. Just like what you would do if you wanna buy a house, a car, etc.
The major delay in service is usually not from the company, but more towards SEDA/TNB side. Because the faster the company can clear a case, the better it is for their reputation. Some cases that are approved by SEDA may take up to months for them to release the FiT certificates. For TNB side, there are delays due to their short working hours and days for the document processing side. You brought up a good point too; T&C. Dealing with the T&C technicians is a major headache for both the customer and company. Government bodies, faham faham lah.
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Agree, dealing with TNB technicians can be a real pain. The only way we could do is wish we have good luck and able to get all the processes through smoothly.
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Just curious, I would like to know what is the Peak output that all of you managed to get out from your systems. From what I know, after considering the cable + inverter + temperature coefficient + etc..., our solar panel system should not produce peak power output at the rated value unless the sun energy that hit our panels is greater than 1000W/m2.

Anyone managed to get more output than your rated value. For example, you are able to get more than 1kWp output for 1kWp system.
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Just curious, I would like to know what is the Peak output that all of you managed to get out from your systems.  From what I know, after considering the cable + inverter + temperature coefficient + etc..., our solar panel system should not produce peak power output at the rated value unless the sun energy that hit our panels is greater than 1000W/m2.

Anyone managed to get more output than your rated value.  For example, you are able to get more than 1kWp output for 1kWp system.
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From my experience, getting 100% in Malaysia is possible. One of my string has 3.89kW and has produce till 3.99kW during one weekend. 3.99kW is my inverter max output and gave "max output limit" notification on display panel.
From day to day observation, daily peak generation can hit 80-90% of rated capacity during fine weather.
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QUOTE(avereng @ Nov 2 2013, 11:16 AM)
From my experience, getting 100% in Malaysia is possible. One of my string has 3.89kW and has produce till 3.99kW during one weekend. 3.99kW is my inverter max output and gave "max output limit" notification on display panel. 
From day to day observation, daily peak generation can hit 80-90% of rated capacity during fine weather.
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This is certainly a good sign for us in Malaysia where our system is able to perform greater than rated value. I believe this is with the combination of higher efficiency system and stronger sun energy we have in Malaysia.
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This is certainly a good sign for us in Malaysia where our system is able to perform greater than rated value.  I believe this is with the combination of higher efficiency system and stronger sun energy we have in Malaysia.

Based on my system performance I managed to get from 89% - 110% of the rated output. 
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QUOTE(avereng @ Nov 2 2013, 11:16 AM)
From my experience, getting 100% in Malaysia is possible. One of my string has 3.89kW and has produce till 3.99kW during one weekend. 3.99kW is my inverter max output and gave "max output limit" notification on display panel. 
From day to day observation, daily peak generation can hit 80-90% of rated capacity during fine weather.
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QUOTE(andrewsh @ Nov 2 2013, 12:52 PM)
This is certainly a good sign for us in Malaysia where our system is able to perform greater than rated value.  I believe this is with the combination of higher efficiency system and stronger sun energy we have in Malaysia.
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Entirely possible, but best not to push over the max performance of your inverter. It's always a smarter move to install an inverter with max DC slightly higher than the overall output of your system due to the potency of sunlight in Malaysia.

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Entirely possible, but best not to push over the max performance of your inverter. It's always a smarter move to install an inverter with max DC slightly higher than the overall output of your system due to the potency of sunlight in Malaysia.
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I believe I am safe as my inverter is having a higher rating that my panel output. Currently the maximum output of one of the strings is only running at 80.5%. So still have room to grow.
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I believe I am safe as my inverter is having a higher rating that my panel output.  Currently the maximum output of one of the strings is only running at 80.5%.  So still have room to grow.
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That's good to know. smile.gif How many kW did you installed anyway?

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QUOTE(avereng @ Nov 2 2013, 11:16 AM)
From my experience, getting 100% in Malaysia is possible. One of my string has 3.89kW and has produce till 3.99kW during one weekend. 3.99kW is my inverter max output and gave "max output limit" notification on display panel. 
From day to day observation, daily peak generation can hit 80-90% of rated capacity during fine weather.
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For the one string of 3.89kW solar panel connected to the inverter.
Just curious whether the string of solar panels are wired serially?

Because typically if we mention one string means they are wired serially.

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That's good to know. smile.gif How many kW did you installed anyway?
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I have 8.8kWp installed and I am using 10kW inverter. Due to odd roof shape, I have one string configured as 5.2kWp and another string with 3.6kWp. I realize that I am not operating at maximum efficiency of the inverter but I could not find any single inverter with lower power rating that can handle 5.2kWp string. I do not have room for 2 inverters.
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I have 8.8kWp installed and I am using 10kW inverter.  Due to odd roof shape, I have one string configured as 5.2kWp and another string with 3.6kWp.  I realize that I am not operating at maximum efficiency of the inverter but I could not find any single inverter with lower power rating that can handle 5.2kWp string.  I do not have room for 2 inverters.
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how much for your inverters? notworthy.gif
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Hi Members, My Solar system commencement on 9th May 2013 afternoon. I wish to share my information to you guys as follow

1.)FIT rate: 1.3708/kw
2.)Canadian Solar Panel CS6P-250M 16 Panels (4KW)
3.)SMA Inverter SB4000TL
4.)Hse Facing South. Location panels facing north and East sector
5.)Vendor: Ditrolic Sdn Bhd

TNB payment advise as follow
Date Payment days System Generated KW
9/5/13~17/6/13 863.60 39 630
17/6/13~1/8/13 855.38 45 624
1/8/13~1/9/13 583.96 31 426
1/9/13~1/10/13 590.82 30 431


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QUOTE(Solar freak @ Nov 7 2013, 11:20 AM)
Hi Members, My Solar system commencement on 9th May 2013 afternoon. I wish to share my information to you guys as follow

1.)FIT rate: 1.3708/kw
2.)Canadian Solar Panel CS6P-250M 16 Panels (4KW)
3.)SMA Inverter SB4000TL
4.)Hse Facing South. Location panels facing north and East sector 
5.)Vendor: Ditrolic Sdn Bhd

TNB payment advise as follow
Date                      Payment        days    System Generated KW
9/5/13~17/6/13      863.60          39        630
17/6/13~1/8/13      855.38          45        624
1/8/13~1/9/13        583.96          31        426
1/9/13~1/10/13      590.82          30        431
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Congratulations, you have a good set up that is working above the expected power output. A 4 kWp system can generate 400 kWh each month, based on Peak Sun Hour factor of 3.3333 hours per day. You are therefore getting anything between 3% to 21% over your system capacity.

days kwh target (kWh) +/- %
39 630 520 21%
45 624 600 4%
31 426 413 3%
30 431 400 8%


btw, how did you get your payment advice so regularly? Your TNB district office must be efficient :-)
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QUOTE(arjunaidi @ Nov 7 2013, 11:56 AM)
Congratulations, you have a good set up that is working above the expected power output.  A 4 kWp system can generate 400 kWh each month, based on Peak Sun Hour factor of 3.3333 hours per day.  You are therefore getting anything between 3% to 21% over your system capacity.

days kwh target (kWh) +/- %
39 630 520 21%
45 624 600 4%
31 426 413 3%
30 431 400 8%
btw, how did you get your payment advice so regularly?  Your TNB district office must be efficient :-)
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My Vendor provided me the direct contact no for my District TNB billng.I keep sending them the email and call. I rec'd payment as follow

Date Payment days System Generated KW TNB Payment
9/5/13~17/6/13 863.60 39 630 31/7/13
17/6/13~1/8/13 855.38 45 624 11/10/13
1/8/13~1/9/13 583.96 31 426 11/10/13
1/9/13~1/10/13 590.82 30 431 They replied this week Nov 2013 rclxms.gif Hope TNB will keep to 30days payment term in next future payment

By the way now you can register in TNB e service. No need to wait for the technician to pass/post to you. Once You received payment advise via TNB e service email to TNB FIT PIC directly.

Another thing is my vendor did adjust my inverter connect to grid to From 246V ---> 267V if not mistaken when my monitoring showing error 1 to 2 minutes multiple times/day In June 2013. My vendor told because my area grid is not stable hence they increase the Voltage. Now no more showing error anymore rclxms.gif

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For the one string of 3.89kW solar panel connected to the inverter.
Just curious whether the string of solar panels are wired serially?

Because typically if we mention one string means they are wired serially.
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The string is connected by series. 16 panels in series.

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For the one string of 3.89kW solar panel connected to the inverter.
Just curious whether the string of solar panels are wired serially?

Because typically if we mention one string means they are wired serially.
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The string is connected by series. 16 panels in series.

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Interesting article on Solar Sharing: A Solar Farm with Real Plants.

Japan Next-Generation Farmers Cultivate Crops and Solar Energy

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/ne...nd-solar-energy
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QUOTE(avereng @ Nov 2 2013, 11:16 AM)
From my experience, getting 100% in Malaysia is possible. One of my string has 3.89kW and has produce till 3.99kW during one weekend. 3.99kW is my inverter max output and gave "max output limit" notification on display panel. 
From day to day observation, daily peak generation can hit 80-90% of rated capacity during fine weather.
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QUOTE(andrewsh @ Nov 2 2013, 01:13 PM)
This is certainly a good sign for us in Malaysia where our system is able to perform greater than rated value.  I believe this is with the combination of higher efficiency system and stronger sun energy we have in Malaysia.

Based on my system performance I managed to get from 89% - 110% of the rated output. 
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Just curious how can you get more than 100% rated output. Most of the panel have temperature coefficient of more than .40%/C unless you are using panasonic HIT or Sunpower, and with this temperature coefficient and how high the temperature can go up in Malaysia, it will cause the performance to drop at least 15%. After adding the cabling lost, inverter lost, dirt and etc, the efficiency can down below 80%. My understanding is we can choose a inverter that have lower KW than the panel's total KW. I am confuse now.

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Just curious how can you get more than 100% rated output. Most of the panel have temperature coefficient of more than .40%/C unless you are using panasonic HIT or Sunpower, and with this temperature coefficient and how high the temperature can go up in Malaysia, it will cause the performance to drop at least 15%. After adding the cabling lost, inverter lost, dirt and etc, the efficiency can down below 80%. My understanding is we can choose a inverter that have lower KW than the panel's total KW. I am confuse now.
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You are right that the type of panel we use and temperature of the day do affect the overall efficiency. In fact I am using Sunpower panel for my system and I am happy with the performance so far.
Based on the short 21 days since commissioning, my system achieved two highest performance under 2 conditions.

1. 5.44kWh/kWp with peak output at 110% of the rated output under partly cloudy day, not very hot day.
2. 5.40kWh/kWp with peak output at 87% of the rated output under hot day.
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QUOTE(abcstop @ Nov 7 2013, 06:26 PM)
Just curious how can you get more than 100% rated output. Most of the panel have temperature coefficient of more than .40%/C unless you are using panasonic HIT or Sunpower, and with this temperature coefficient and how high the temperature can go up in Malaysia, it will cause the performance to drop at least 15%. After adding the cabling lost, inverter lost, dirt and etc, the efficiency can down below 80%. My understanding is we can choose a inverter that have lower KW than the panel's total KW. I am confuse now.
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You asked some good questions. My system clearly showed brand of panel and marketing claims are not critical. Solar panel capacity is rated by STC but this does not mean actual Malaysia condition always below Standard Testing Conditions.

My system operated for 11 months. IMHO, system output (kW) is not my concern. It is the total daily generation which matter. My best daily performance is 5.2+kWh/kWp. On the best performance day, the max output is around 80% of rated output. The main reason for high daily generation is CLEAR SKY with no cloud. Our biggest concerns are CLOUD and RAIN.

My inverters have lower capacity than panels capacity. They are working well. Using lower capacity inverters means the inverters can always operate at high efficiency range. Most inverters high efficiency operating range is above 80% load. However, IMHO, don't undersize the inverter more than 10%. This is up to owner and installer choice.

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QUOTE(avereng @ Nov 7 2013, 10:50 PM)
You asked some good questions. My system clearly showed brand of panel and marketing claims are not critical. Solar panel capacity is rated by STC but this does not mean actual Malaysia condition always below Standard Testing Conditions. 

My system operated for 11 months. IMHO, system output (kW) is not my concern. It is the total daily generation which matter. My best daily performance is 5.2+kWh/kWp. On the best performance day, the max output is around 80% of rated output. The main reason for high daily generation is CLEAR SKY with no cloud. Our biggest concerns are CLOUD and RAIN.

My inverters have lower capacity than panels capacity. They are working well. Using lower capacity inverters means the inverters can always operate at high efficiency range. Most inverters high efficiency operating range is above 80% load. However, IMHO, don't undersize the inverter more than 10%. This is up to owner and installer choice.
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Your system is doing well and is clearly performed as expected. I agree with you that sky condition is still a major factor in determine the overall performance. We always hope to have full clear sky everyday smile.gif . I also believe difference panels will perform differently under the same condition but unfortunately we do not have any quantifiable data available for our Malaysian condition. Ideally we should have difference panels installed at the same area side by side for best comparison. The question here is how much difference in performance between panels is still unknown?
I hope I can get a good clear sky day to see how much can my system perform? Until then, let's wait.
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QUOTE(avereng @ Nov 7 2013, 10:50 PM)
You asked some good questions. My system clearly showed brand of panel and marketing claims are not critical. Solar panel capacity is rated by STC but this does not mean actual Malaysia condition always below Standard Testing Conditions. 

My system operated for 11 months. IMHO, system output (kW) is not my concern. It is the total daily generation which matter. My best daily performance is 5.2+kWh/kWp. On the best performance day, the max output is around 80% of rated output. The main reason for high daily generation is CLEAR SKY with no cloud. Our biggest concerns are CLOUD and RAIN.

My inverters have lower capacity than panels capacity. They are working well. Using lower capacity inverters means the inverters can always operate at high efficiency range. Most inverters high efficiency operating range is above 80% load. However, IMHO, don't undersize the inverter more than 10%. This is up to owner and installer choice.
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avereng, you are right. Ideal conditions for maximum generation:
1. Clear sky
2. Light breeze can help with cooling of the panels when the air flows in the gap between solar panel and roof
3. Light drizzle in sunny conditions ("hujan panas") is good for cooling too

For comparison of daily performance, the specific yield measured in kWh/kWp is used, regardless of the installed capacity. avereng, your system yield of 5.2 kWh/kWp is good. My system has reached 5 kWh/kWp, which is also good :-)


Wishing you all great solar yields!

arjunaidi in sunny putrajaya
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QUOTE(avereng @ Nov 7 2013, 10:50 PM)
You asked some good questions. My system clearly showed brand of panel and marketing claims are not critical. Solar panel capacity is rated by STC but this does not mean actual Malaysia condition always below Standard Testing Conditions. 

My system operated for 11 months. IMHO, system output (kW) is not my concern. It is the total daily generation which matter. My best daily performance is 5.2+kWh/kWp. On the best performance day, the max output is around 80% of rated output. The main reason for high daily generation is CLEAR SKY with no cloud. Our biggest concerns are CLOUD and RAIN.

My inverters have lower capacity than panels capacity. They are working well. Using lower capacity inverters means the inverters can always operate at high efficiency range. Most inverters high efficiency operating range is above 80% load. However, IMHO, don't undersize the inverter more than 10%. This is up to owner and installer choice.
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I assumed you dont get 5.2+kwh/kwp everyday? What is your monthly kwh/kwp? From what i seem, most service provider only suggest 3.2-3.6kwh/kwp for their system.

QUOTE(andrewsh @ Nov 7 2013, 09:13 PM)
You are right that the type of panel we use and temperature of the day do affect the overall efficiency.  In fact I am using Sunpower panel for my system and I am happy with the performance so far. 
Based on the short 21 days since commissioning, my system achieved two highest performance under 2 conditions.

1. 5.44kWh/kWp with peak output at 110% of the rated output under partly cloudy day, not very hot day.
2. 5.40kWh/kWp with peak output at 87% of the rated output under hot day.
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Do you mind to share your average kwh/kwp for the 21 day so that i can have a idea of how good sunpower panel perform.

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I assumed you dont get 5.2+kwh/kwp everyday? What is your monthly kwh/kwp? From what i seem, most service provider only suggest 3.2-3.6kwh/kwp for their system.
Do you mind to share your average kwh/kwp for the 21 day so that i can have a idea of how good sunpower panel perform.
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Hi,
i m new here. i m from Kedah. My best daily performance is 6+kWh/kWp ( just for 2 day only). My 11.25 kw system T & C at Dec 2012. The average performance until now is 4.2kwh/kwp. (i don know how to calculate the out put rate, nor don understand what is kVar or exp kWh. because my KACO inverter just show simple number at the small LED screen, i have to press a button each time to read something that i don't know. I just know to divide the total TNB meter reading by day, then by 11.25, and get the average performance, am i right?). i use German Qcell solar panel.
My second 12kw system had just complete install and waiting for TNB T & C metering. This time I use Korean Hanwa(Made in China) solar panel and German KACO inverter. And in future i m planing to install my 3rd system with China brand solar panel with German KACO inverter. At that time, sure we will know the performance of each of the solar system, but still depand on the position of facing of the solar to the sun.
I had install a speed dome CCTV on top of the roof. in future i will update d CCTV net work system and you all can see live of my solar. u even can zoom and pan tilt go left right up down. smile.gif .

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QUOTE(kd8800 @ Nov 8 2013, 02:57 PM)
Hi,
i m new here.  i m from Kedah. My best daily performance is 6+kWh/kWp ( just for 2 day only). My 11.25 kw system T & C at Dec 2012. The average performance until now is 4.2kwh/kwp. (i don know how to calculate the out put rate, nor don understand what is kVar or exp kWh. because my KACO inverter just show simple number at the small LED screen, i have to press a button each time to read something that i don't know. I just know to divide the total TNB meter reading by day, then by 11.25, and get the average performance, am i right?). i use German Qcell solar panel.
My second 12kw system had just complete install and waiting for TNB T & C metering. This time I use Korean Hanwa(Made in China) solar panel and German KACO inverter. And in future i m planing to install my 3rd system with China brand solar panel with German KACO inverter. At that time, sure we will know the performance of each of the solar system, but still depand on the position of facing of the solar to the sun.
I had install a speed dome CCTV on top of the roof. in future i will update d CCTV net work system and you all can see live of my solar. u even can zoom and pan tilt go left right up down. smile.gif .
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nice, you already have two 12 kWp systems and thinking of a 3rd system? heheh, you sure know the benefits of a solar system :-)


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QUOTE(kd8800 @ Nov 8 2013, 02:57 PM)
Hi,
i m new here.  i m from Kedah. My best daily performance is 6+kWh/kWp ( just for 2 day only). My 11.25 kw system T & C at Dec 2012. The average performance until now is 4.2kwh/kwp. (i don know how to calculate the out put rate, nor don understand what is kVar or exp kWh. because my KACO inverter just show simple number at the small LED screen, i have to press a button each time to read something that i don't know. I just know to divide the total TNB meter reading by day, then by 11.25, and get the average performance, am i right?). i use German Qcell solar panel.
My second 12kw system had just complete install and waiting for TNB T & C metering. This time I use Korean Hanwa(Made in China) solar panel and German KACO inverter. And in future i m planing to install my 3rd system with China brand solar panel with German KACO inverter. At that time, sure we will know the performance of each of the solar system, but still depand on the position of facing of the solar to the sun.
I had install a speed dome CCTV on top of the roof. in future i will update d CCTV net work system and you all can see live of my solar. u even can zoom and pan tilt go left right up down. smile.gif .
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Yeah, u can just log in my CCTV to see live. Start new page of Internet Explorer, Key in:" kd8800.dyndns.org" in the IE address bar, under user column, key in "user". under password column key in "8888". follow the instruction to down load the program, press the "start all live view" button under the screen, and u got it. thumbup.gif
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Here's a good reason to have solar installed as soon as possible. TNB rates are going up next year.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...says-business-d
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QUOTE(arjunaidi @ Nov 8 2013, 03:17 PM)
Here's a good reason to have solar installed as soon as possible.  TNB rates are going up next year.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...says-business-d
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er.. wouldn't that be BAD for us solar fellows?
ie. the cost of electricity we use goes up
the price of electricity we sell (solar) still the same (contractual 21 years)
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 8 2013, 04:01 PM)
er.. wouldn't that be BAD for us solar fellows?
ie. the cost of electricity we use goes up
the price of electricity we sell (solar) still the same (contractual 21 years)
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we micro IPPs are a minority. We won't be hit so bad as we will get solar income for next 21 years. but we still have to pay higher electric tariff to TNB like everyone else.

the chain effect on the majority population is worrying. higher electricity is ammunition for traders, manufacturers etc etc to increase price :-(
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Hi all,

Just started reading the information on this forum yesterday. The price ranges for a 4kW system seems to vary from 35k up to 50k. Can some one comment what would be the main differences between a low RM35k setup and a high RM50k setup?

thanks.
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QUOTE(new2city @ Nov 8 2013, 05:00 PM)
Hi all,

  Just started reading the information on this forum yesterday.  The price ranges for a 4kW system seems to vary from 35k up to 50k.    Can some one comment what would be the main differences between a low RM35k setup and a high RM50k  setup?

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think Proton, Toyota or Mercs. but IMHO, RM50k for 4kWp is a tad too high and does not reflect the current Malaysian market price.

pm me for details
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I think it is the on-set of the monsoon. this is the weather forecast for Puttrajaya.

my next project is Rainwater Harvesting System to use all that rainwater. :-)


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I think it is the on-set of the monsoon.  this is the weather forecast for Puttrajaya.

my next project is Rainwater Harvesting System to use all that rainwater. :-)
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I've set up my rain water harvesting since 2009 - can't finish using the front & back barrels even with constant washing of floors (i've a dog & U know what dogs do to floors outside tongue.gif) + flushing toilets doh.gif

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exactly, then I can wash car, water the garden, flush toilets, bathe my cats and not pay so much to that robber baron Tan Sri Rozali of Syabas :-)
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QUOTE(abcstop @ Nov 8 2013, 01:45 PM)
I assumed you dont get 5.2+kwh/kwp everyday? What is your monthly kwh/kwp? From what i seem, most service provider only suggest 3.2-3.6kwh/kwp for their system.
Do you mind to share your average kwh/kwp for the 21 day so that i can have a idea of how good sunpower panel perform.
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My system average over the past 21 days is 4.02kWh/kWp.
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QUOTE(kd8800 @ Nov 8 2013, 02:57 PM)
Hi,
i m new here.  i m from Kedah. My best daily performance is 6+kWh/kWp ( just for 2 day only). My 11.25 kw system T & C at Dec 2012. The average performance until now is 4.2kwh/kwp. (i don know how to calculate the out put rate, nor don understand what is kVar or exp kWh. because my KACO inverter just show simple number at the small LED screen, i have to press a button each time to read something that i don't know. I just know to divide the total TNB meter reading by day, then by 11.25, and get the average performance, am i right?). i use German Qcell solar panel.
My second 12kw system had just complete install and waiting for TNB T & C metering. This time I use Korean Hanwa(Made in China) solar panel and German KACO inverter. And in future i m planing to install my 3rd system with China brand solar panel with German KACO inverter. At that time, sure we will know the performance of each of the solar system, but still depand on the position of facing of the solar to the sun.
I had install a speed dome CCTV on top of the roof. in future i will update d CCTV net work system and you all can see live of my solar. u even can zoom and pan tilt go left right up down. smile.gif .
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Wow, your system is firing with 6+kWh/kWp. I wish I can get that. Based from my understanding, northern part of Malaysia, normally has higher sun hour in the 1 few months of the year. Just wonder how your system performs over the past 2 months (Sep - Oct) where these are the months with the most rain.
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actually..
this week my mum get a call from TNB saying that invite us to join solar installation project.
and today they go for solar idea introduction and deeply explore the system operation.
but one thing, this was handle by a campany name J.E.T.S. Engineering Sdn Bhd... not sure this company can be trust or not ><

for 4 kw
- thy tell us 1st need to pay 30% for the down-payment.
- after approval pay for 40%, then after installation paid the balance 30%
- and the hole things cost rm52.000

Here I have a question for who have install this solar in their home.
- the cell maintenance fees bare by who?

What are the others thing or T&C need to check carefully?

pls help me @@



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Yeah, u can just log in my CCTV to see live. Start new page of Internet Explorer, Key in:" kd8800.dyndns.org" in the IE address bar, under user column, key in "user". under password column key in "8888". follow the instruction to down load the program, press the "start all live view" button under the screen, and u got it. thumbup.gif
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How much $$$$ do you get for your 12kWp system? Mine is scheduled for T&C next month happy.gif
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QUOTE(kd8800 @ Nov 8 2013, 02:57 PM)
Hi,
i m new here.  i m from Kedah. My best daily performance is 6+kWh/kWp ( just for 2 day only). My 11.25 kw system T & C at Dec 2012. The average performance until now is 4.2kwh/kwp. (i don know how to calculate the out put rate, nor don understand what is kVar or exp kWh. because my KACO inverter just show simple number at the small LED screen, i have to press a button each time to read something that i don't know. I just know to divide the total TNB meter reading by day, then by 11.25, and get the average performance, am i right?). i use German Qcell solar panel.
My second 12kw system had just complete install and waiting for TNB T & C metering. This time I use Korean Hanwa(Made in China) solar panel and German KACO inverter. And in future i m planing to install my 3rd system with China brand solar panel with German KACO inverter. At that time, sure we will know the performance of each of the solar system, but still depand on the position of facing of the solar to the sun.
I had install a speed dome CCTV on top of the roof. in future i will update d CCTV net work system and you all can see live of my solar. u even can zoom and pan tilt go left right up down. smile.gif .
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6kwh/kwp is awesome! i think penang and kedah get more sunlight and also i notice your roof top is flat and hence can have ideal angle for the panel. i think that contribute to the result as well.
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QUOTE(ivynsh @ Nov 8 2013, 06:47 PM)
actually..
this week my mum get a call from TNB saying that invite us to join solar installation project.
and today they go for solar idea introduction and deeply explore the system operation.
but one thing, this was handle by a campany name J.E.T.S. Engineering Sdn Bhd... not sure this company can be trust or not ><

for 4 kw
- thy tell us 1st need to pay 30% for the down-payment.
- after approval pay for 40%, then after installation paid the balance 30%
- and the hole things cost rm52.000

Here I have a question for who have install this solar in their home.
- the cell maintenance fees bare by who?

What are the others thing or T&C need to check carefully?

pls help me @@
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RM52k seem to be on the high side, however still depend on what type of panel and inverter they offers. I suggest you get a few more quotes from other service provider to get a better feel.
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QUOTE(abcstop @ Nov 8 2013, 10:55 PM)
6kwh/kwp is awesome! i think penang and kedah get more sunlight and also i notice your roof top is flat and hence can have ideal angle for the panel. i think that contribute to the result as well.
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I agree the nature of the roof top plays a big part in the system performance. From the camera, I believe you do not have any shading problem and all of you panels start working as soon as there is sun. Not like most of us where we do not have ideal roof condition where shading is one of the biggest negative factor. For my case, only 60% of my panels are exposed to full sunlight in the morning. Overall my system only have full sunlight exposure(no shading) from around 11am - 4pm. Beyond this timing, the system is not operating at full speed.
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post Nov 9 2013, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(ivynsh @ Nov 8 2013, 06:47 PM)
actually..
this week my mum get a call from TNB saying that invite us to join solar installation project.
and today they go for solar idea introduction and deeply explore the system operation.
but one thing, this was handle by a campany name J.E.T.S. Engineering Sdn Bhd... not sure this company can be trust or not ><

for 4 kw
- thy tell us 1st need to pay 30% for the down-payment.
- after approval pay for 40%, then after installation paid the balance 30%
- and the hole things cost rm52.000

Here I have a question for who have install this solar in their home.
- the cell maintenance fees bare by who?

What are the others thing or T&C need to check carefully?

pls help me @@
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IMHO, I will ignore that fellow. I hate this practice.This company is using 'TNB' name to promote their own business. This is irresponsible company
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post Nov 9 2013, 08:32 PM

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SEDA is drafting Code of Ethics for the service providers to adhere to. No more false claims, using "official" name and other hanky panky.
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QUOTE(andrewsh @ Nov 9 2013, 06:28 PM)
I agree the nature of the roof top plays a big part in the system performance.  From the camera, I believe you do not have any shading problem and all of you panels start working as soon as there is sun.  Not like most of us where we do not have ideal roof condition where shading is one of the biggest negative factor.  For my case, only 60% of my panels are exposed to full sunlight in the morning.  Overall my system only have full sunlight exposure(no shading) from around 11am - 4pm.  Beyond this timing, the system is not operating at full speed.
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Yes, my roof is very "beautiful", do not have any shading problem and all of the panels start working as soon as there is sun. I will update my SEPT n OCT performs later.

From what i know, Penang and Kedah get most sun light amount Malaysia, Especially Bayan Lepas near Penang Air Port.
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QUOTE(kd8800 @ Nov 9 2013, 09:03 PM)
Yes, my roof is very "beautiful", do not have any shading problem and all of the panels start working as soon as there is sun. I will update my SEPT n OCT performs later.

From what i know, Penang and Kedah get most sun light amount Malaysia, Especially Bayan Lepas near Penang Air Port.
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Looking forward to see how your system performs during the wet months in Kedah/Penang.
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QUOTE(andrewsh @ Nov 9 2013, 10:43 PM)
Looking forward to see how your system performs during the wet months in Kedah/Penang.
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TNB had replace my new meter at the middle of August and I always record the meter reading at Thursday morning.
The reading at 29/8/2013 is 254
the reading at 31/10/2013 is 3057
3057-254 =2803, 2803 /63 days =44.49
44.49 / 11.25kwh system = 3.95
3.95 is my SEPT n OCT performs. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(andrewsh @ Nov 9 2013, 06:28 PM)
I agree the nature of the roof top plays a big part in the system performance.  From the camera, I believe you do not have any shading problem and all of you panels start working as soon as there is sun.  Not like most of us where we do not have ideal roof condition where shading is one of the biggest negative factor.  For my case, only 60% of my panels are exposed to full sunlight in the morning.  Overall my system only have full sunlight exposure(no shading) from around 11am - 4pm.  Beyond this timing, the system is not operating at full speed.
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how to determine if all panel can receive full sunlight? is your roof not facing north-south? i am assuming north-south position can receive all sun light and have no shading
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QUOTE(kd8800 @ Nov 10 2013, 01:23 PM)
TNB had replace my new meter at the middle of August and I always record the meter reading at Thursday morning.
The reading at 29/8/2013 is    254
the reading at 31/10/2013 is    3057
3057-254 =2803,    2803 /63 days =44.49
44.49 / 11.25kwh system = 3.95
3.95 is my SEPT n OCT performs. hmm.gif
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Still consider quiet a good performance given that these 2 months are the lowest months of the years.
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how to determine if all panel can receive full sunlight? is your roof not facing north-south? i am assuming north-south position can receive all sun light and have no shading
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My roof facing east and west and the roof having air well structure blocking some of the panels facing west in the morning. The west facing string is not able to perform due to shading in the morning.
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My roof facing east and west and the roof having air well structure blocking some of the panels facing west in the morning.  The west facing string is not able to perform due to shading in the morning.
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with such condition, very surprise that your panel still can perform so well. sunpower is really a good pianel. can you pm me your installer might want to get an quotation from him for my roof
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QUOTE(abcstop @ Nov 10 2013, 08:04 PM)
with such condition, very surprise that your panel still can perform so well. sunpower is really a good pianel. can you pm me your installer might want to get an quotation from him for my roof
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Already PM you, just let me know if you did not receive the contact info.
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how to determine if all panel can receive full sunlight? is your roof not facing north-south? i am assuming north-south position can receive all sun light and have no shading
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Malaysia is near to equator. The effects on roof direction to PV generation is minimum. As long as all your panels free from any shade cast on them, your panels are receiving full sunlight.
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Dear All,

Was wondering normally what would the procedure be. Especially since quota is over subscribed most of the time.

Do we apply for it first or do we need to have the system to be constructed first before application?

If construction need to be done first, if we are unable to get the quota, does it means that we are going to waste those energy without being able to sell to TNB?
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QUOTE(dplaya @ Nov 11 2013, 02:09 PM)
Dear All,

Was wondering normally what would the procedure be. Especially since quota is over subscribed most of the time.

Do we apply for it first or do we need to have the system to be constructed first before application?

If construction need to be done first, if we are unable to get the quota, does it means that we are going to waste those energy without being able to sell to TNB?
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Just assign a installer. They will grad the quota whenever the quota available.
Problem free.
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QUOTE(avereng @ Nov 7 2013, 01:46 PM)
The string is connected by series. 16 panels in series.
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The string voltage for Solar Panel might be too close to the V absolute max for the inverter.
16 x Voc of the solar panel should not be more than the inverter's V absolute max. And for safety there should have some margin. Just my 2 sens.

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Just curious how can you get more than 100% rated output. Most of the panel have temperature coefficient of more than .40%/C unless you are using panasonic HIT or Sunpower, and with this temperature coefficient and how high the temperature can go up in Malaysia, it will cause the performance to drop at least 15%. After adding the cabling lost, inverter lost, dirt and etc, the efficiency can down below 80%. My understanding is we can choose a inverter that have lower KW than the panel's total KW. I am confuse now.


Under normal condition the solar panel power should drop due to temperature.
However there could be a cool cloudy/rainy afternoon that have sudden ray of light pierce through the clouds to cause sudden spike on kW.
The concern should not be the maximum kW but more on the total kWh generation.

The inverter should be loaded as maximum as allowable. As avereng mentioned, the inverter efficiency increase when loading increase.
Loading also dependant on model and brand of inverter, as some inverter have +10% or more kW torelence above nominal and some don't.
In the end, inverter should load as max as possible to allow highest efficiency while not capping the inverter too much to allow highest kWh.

As for the temperature coefficient for the solar panel, every -.01%/C should be ~0.4% increase in efficiency. This should let you judge whether the extra cost justify the increase efficiency. But nevertheless, the brand is also important.
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To my surprise, today I received the invoice notice from TNB less than 1 month after commissioning. My commissioning date was 18 Oct and they already started taking reading on 27 Oct. Kudo to TnB. It took them another 2 weeks for the paper notice to reach me. Hopefully the actual payment to the bank is as fast as they took reading.

I was expecting to wait for at least 4 -6 months based on the info I gathered from our fellow friends in the forum.
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I wish to share my generated solar system result to you guys

Location Bandar kinrara No shading Hse facing South, 4kw Canadian solar CS6P-250M 16 pcs and SMA inverter SB4000TL

TNB Meter reading and Payment advise
9/5 ~17/6 630 KwH
17/6~1/8 624 KwH
1/8~1/9 426 KwH
1/9~1/10 431 KwH
1/10~1/11 443 KwH

This post has been edited by Solar freak: Nov 12 2013, 11:17 AM
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Guys, why is there a difference in the reading on the inverter(higher reading) than the meter(lower reading) provided by tnb? Due to power 'leak'? What's the acceptable % n how to calculate?
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QUOTE(Screwu829 @ Nov 12 2013, 11:33 AM)
Guys, why is there a difference in the reading on the inverter(higher reading) than the meter(lower reading) provided by tnb? Due to power 'leak'? What's the acceptable % n how to calculate?
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Mine inverter and TNB reading is almost same . this could be the time reading the TNB took

Inverter reading TNB Payment advise
Date KwH Date KwH
9/5~31/5 373.382 9/5~17/6 630
1/6~30/6 462.071 17/6~1/8 624
1/7~31/7 430.592 1/8~1/9 426
1/8~31/8 431.603 1/9~1/10 431
1/9~30/9 409.748 1/10~1/11 443
1/10~31/10 437.444
1/11 11.775
Total 2556.615 Total 2554

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QUOTE(Solar freak @ Nov 12 2013, 11:14 AM)
I wish to share my generated solar system result to you guys

Location Bandar kinrara No shading Hse facing South, 4kw Canadian solar CS6P-250M 16 pcs and SMA inverter SB4000TL

TNB Meter reading and Payment advise
9/5 ~17/6        630 KwH
17/6~1/8          624 KwH
1/8~1/9            426 KwH
1/9~1/10          431 KwH
1/10~1/11        443 KwH
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On average you still get quiet a respectable performance of 3.6kWh/kWp.
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QUOTE(Screwu829 @ Nov 12 2013, 11:33 AM)
Guys, why is there a difference in the reading on the inverter(higher reading) than the meter(lower reading) provided by tnb? Due to power 'leak'? What's the acceptable % n how to calculate?
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The meter provided by TnB should be more accurate as it has been calibrated where the inverter reading is estimated value. I would expect the reading between both meter should be within +-3% with each other.
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Good that ur readings are almost the same solar freak. Calculated my delta n it's 1.9%. Is this 3% what ur installer told u andrewsh?
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I am just curious, the package introduced to me included a guaranteed minimum payment from TNB for 21 years. but why do we see fellow forumers stating their current payment from TNB. Does this mean, that their current payment exceeds this minimum payment?


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The contract is for 21 years however the payment from TNB depends on the kWH generation from the solar power system.

The generation varies due to weather condition, geographical location, system efficiency, solar power system design and etc.
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I'm thinking to clean the Panel with water spray.With this activity can improve the productivity by how much Percentage ?

This post has been edited by Solar freak: Nov 13 2013, 04:09 PM
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I am just curious, the package introduced to me included a guaranteed minimum payment from TNB for 21 years.  but why do we see fellow forumers stating their current payment from TNB.  Does this mean, that their current payment exceeds this minimum payment?
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there is no guaranteed minimum payment from TNB. TNB's committment is to buy electricity from licence holder for 21 years at the agreed FiT rate, period.

if your panel does not perform for whatever reason or the generation is low, you will not get any payment or you will be paid whatever your system generates. this applies only for residential system. if you own a solar farm, you will be penalized by TNB for not generating the minimum kWh.

Many unethical systems integrators are promising unrealistic returns to potential clients. Don't be conned, get an established and qualified SI using top quality materials and methods to design, install and commission your PV system. Cutting a few thousand RM here and there is easy. Always think: your system must perform for 21 years on 24x7. I always want my PV system to generate the minimum rated output every day; of course there are some heavy cloudy days or other inclement weather that reduces the output but it should not be zero kWh output even on those days.

cheers,

arjunaidi in cloudy putrajaya



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Good that ur readings are almost the same solar freak. Calculated my delta n it's 1.9%. Is this 3% what ur installer told u andrewsh?
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My installer did not tell me this, I believe I read from one of the forums either here or Australian forum where the 3% coming from.
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I'm thinking to clean the Panel with water spray.With this activity can improve the productivity by how much Percentage ?
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I read some of the people in Australian forum managed to get improvement of more than 10%. I believe this could be possible during very hot day. Generally the panel has a degradation rate of around 0.45%/C. If we are able to reduce the panel temperature down by more than 23C, we should gain back by 10%.

I do not know is there anyone in Malaysia is doing it at the moment. Will be good to know if someone did.
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I'm thinking to clean the Panel with water spray.With this activity can improve the productivity by how much Percentage ?
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I am similar plan. Let me know if you do proceed with it.
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For a 12KW system, 4.5kw on front and 7.5kw at the back, what is the most suitable inverter for it? Either a single phase and utilize all 2 string in each inverter or a 3phase inverter. I am considering aurora.
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QUOTE(abcstop @ Nov 14 2013, 07:41 PM)
For a 12KW system, 4.5kw on front and 7.5kw at the back, what is the most suitable inverter for it? Either a single phase and utilize all 2 string in each inverter or a 3phase inverter. I am considering aurora.
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I might consider 2 inverters if space allow and individual inverter cater different power input more efficiently. But if you have space constraint or other constraint, you may have to use 3phase inverter to handle the high output generated from the panels. Due to the disparity of output power between front and back, you may loss efficiency lost on the 4.5kw side.
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If using 2 inverter, how many string is the best configuration? 3 string? For two 6k inverter, two string for the 7.5k and one for the 4.5k?

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If using 2 inverter, how many string is the best configuration? 3 string? For two 6k inverter, two string for the 7.5k and one for the 4.5k?
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Instead of talking about the number of strings or which configuration of strings is better. I believe we should consider the number of independent MPPTs you have from your inverter. Normally for medium size(I guess >3kW) inverter will have 2 MPPTs with either 1 or 2 strings per MPPT. What is the best configuration will very much depending on whether you have shading issue. Ideally if you do not have shading problem, the next consideration is to maximize the string voltage to match the highest operating efficiency of your inverter. If you have shading issue, I would like to have different MPPTs to handle different shading.

You should consult your service provider to get the max output possible depending on your roof and surrounding condition.
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which contractor is best?
any1 using malaysian solar panels?
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which contractor is best?
any1 using malaysian solar panels?
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Which is the best contractor/system integrator? I believed no one can give you the answer.

Malaysian solar panel? I advised you to check the panel MUST have following requirements

IEC 61215
Crystalline silicon terrestrial photovoltaic (PV) modules - Design qualification and type approval

IEC 61730 – Part 1
Photovoltaic (PV) module safety qualification - Part 1: Requirements for construction

IEC 61730 – Part 2
Photovoltaic (PV) module safety qualification - Part 2: Requirements for testing

IEC 61701
Salt mist corrosion testing of photovoltaic (PV) modules

IEC 628041
System voltage durability test for crystalline silicon modules – design qualification and type approval

IEC 627162
Photovoltaic (PV) modules – Ammonia corrosion testing

I know at least one Malaysian solar panel cannot fulfill all requirements.
For further reading, http://seda.gov.my/?omaneg=000101000000010...00000000&s=3096


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