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andrewsh
post May 8 2013, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(locke @ Apr 7 2013, 04:05 PM)
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Hi locke,

I am interested to find out more about this and would like to understand whether it is feasible to install the solar panel. I am from Penang also.
andrewsh
post Jul 23 2013, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 23 2013, 02:53 PM)
Arjunaidi, TNB paid U already boh for that 100 kW? sweat.gif
eggs counting and hatching thinggy neh
i worry too coz i've vested interest too tongue.gif
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Hi Wong,
Appreciate if you can share with me why you decided to invest in this? I understand you were calculating the return from previous post and were not impressed with it.
andrewsh
post Jul 23 2013, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 23 2013, 10:16 PM)
I didnt invest in it, my mum (ie. below taxable bracket coz retiree without income) did, via her loving son's "gift-of-love to her" roof-space usage brows.gif
And she managed to get a system integrator for RM38K

Those 2 combinations works well, given that i gave my mum my roof space to invest in  biggrin.gif
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Oh I see, thanks. This is a great move. Able to generate extra income while not need to pay tax.
andrewsh
post Jul 24 2013, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 24 2013, 02:42 PM)
no probs, SI fast feedback biggrin.gif

OEM brand - REIN, imported from AU & Asia.
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Never heard of this brand before, anyway to find info from the web
andrewsh
post Jul 31 2013, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(ectt @ Jul 31 2013, 06:15 PM)
make it transparent will see more true quota

go green to earn the carbon footprint to trade is also good to govt, depending on how they value short and long benefit
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Actually I find it fun to just release a little bit by bit. This is to ensure people try to apply sooner instead of always thinking there are a lot of quota left. By doing this, we will have more people apply and get the Green program progresses faster.
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post Oct 29 2013, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(graywilird @ Oct 29 2013, 07:40 AM)
how about radiation?
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Solar panel system not suppose to generate any harmful radiation. It should be safe.
andrewsh
post Oct 31 2013, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(arjunaidi @ Oct 31 2013, 01:17 PM)
Putrajaya 4 installations approved in 2013.  Mine was the 4th :-)

Yes, i totally agree with kongkokking. Don't be penny wise and pound foolish.  You want a system that's going to work for at least 21 years.

cheers,

arjunaidi in sunny Putrajaya
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How do we know we are getting a good deal or bad? I believe most of the panels and inverters available in our market are mainly coming from well known brand. Unless we use unknown brand and the workmanship from the service provider is bad.
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post Nov 1 2013, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(xandras @ Nov 1 2013, 09:47 AM)
Well known brand doesn't necessarily means it's good. There are many well known brands in the solar industry right now that produces mediocre quality inverters and solar panels. Do your own research, read up everywhere and find every single source to understand more about your investment. Just like what you would do if you wanna buy a house, a car, etc.
The major delay in service is usually not from the company, but more towards SEDA/TNB side. Because the faster the company can clear a case, the better it is for their reputation. Some cases that are approved by SEDA may take up to months for them to release the FiT certificates. For TNB side, there are delays due to their short working hours and days for the document processing side. You brought up a good point too; T&C. Dealing with the T&C technicians is a major headache for both the customer and company. Government bodies, faham faham lah.
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Agree, dealing with TNB technicians can be a real pain. The only way we could do is wish we have good luck and able to get all the processes through smoothly.
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post Nov 1 2013, 08:11 PM

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Just curious, I would like to know what is the Peak output that all of you managed to get out from your systems. From what I know, after considering the cable + inverter + temperature coefficient + etc..., our solar panel system should not produce peak power output at the rated value unless the sun energy that hit our panels is greater than 1000W/m2.

Anyone managed to get more output than your rated value. For example, you are able to get more than 1kWp output for 1kWp system.
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post Nov 2 2013, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(avereng @ Nov 2 2013, 11:16 AM)
From my experience, getting 100% in Malaysia is possible. One of my string has 3.89kW and has produce till 3.99kW during one weekend. 3.99kW is my inverter max output and gave "max output limit" notification on display panel. 
From day to day observation, daily peak generation can hit 80-90% of rated capacity during fine weather.
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This is certainly a good sign for us in Malaysia where our system is able to perform greater than rated value. I believe this is with the combination of higher efficiency system and stronger sun energy we have in Malaysia.
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post Nov 2 2013, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(andrewsh @ Nov 2 2013, 12:52 PM)
This is certainly a good sign for us in Malaysia where our system is able to perform greater than rated value.  I believe this is with the combination of higher efficiency system and stronger sun energy we have in Malaysia.

Based on my system performance I managed to get from 89% - 110% of the rated output. 
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post Nov 4 2013, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(xandras @ Nov 4 2013, 03:20 PM)
Entirely possible, but best not to push over the max performance of your inverter. It's always a smarter move to install an inverter with max DC slightly higher than the overall output of your system due to the potency of sunlight in Malaysia.
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I believe I am safe as my inverter is having a higher rating that my panel output. Currently the maximum output of one of the strings is only running at 80.5%. So still have room to grow.
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post Nov 6 2013, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(xandras @ Nov 6 2013, 02:52 PM)
That's good to know. smile.gif How many kW did you installed anyway?
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I have 8.8kWp installed and I am using 10kW inverter. Due to odd roof shape, I have one string configured as 5.2kWp and another string with 3.6kWp. I realize that I am not operating at maximum efficiency of the inverter but I could not find any single inverter with lower power rating that can handle 5.2kWp string. I do not have room for 2 inverters.
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post Nov 7 2013, 07:08 AM

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QUOTE(ectt @ Nov 6 2013, 10:16 PM)
how much for your inverters? notworthy.gif
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I do not have the breakdown price for this inverter as this is included as the whole package.
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post Nov 7 2013, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(abcstop @ Nov 7 2013, 06:26 PM)
Just curious how can you get more than 100% rated output. Most of the panel have temperature coefficient of more than .40%/C unless you are using panasonic HIT or Sunpower, and with this temperature coefficient and how high the temperature can go up in Malaysia, it will cause the performance to drop at least 15%. After adding the cabling lost, inverter lost, dirt and etc, the efficiency can down below 80%. My understanding is we can choose a inverter that have lower KW than the panel's total KW. I am confuse now.
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You are right that the type of panel we use and temperature of the day do affect the overall efficiency. In fact I am using Sunpower panel for my system and I am happy with the performance so far.
Based on the short 21 days since commissioning, my system achieved two highest performance under 2 conditions.

1. 5.44kWh/kWp with peak output at 110% of the rated output under partly cloudy day, not very hot day.
2. 5.40kWh/kWp with peak output at 87% of the rated output under hot day.
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post Nov 8 2013, 07:30 AM

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QUOTE(avereng @ Nov 7 2013, 10:50 PM)
You asked some good questions. My system clearly showed brand of panel and marketing claims are not critical. Solar panel capacity is rated by STC but this does not mean actual Malaysia condition always below Standard Testing Conditions. 

My system operated for 11 months. IMHO, system output (kW) is not my concern. It is the total daily generation which matter. My best daily performance is 5.2+kWh/kWp. On the best performance day, the max output is around 80% of rated output. The main reason for high daily generation is CLEAR SKY with no cloud. Our biggest concerns are CLOUD and RAIN.

My inverters have lower capacity than panels capacity. They are working well. Using lower capacity inverters means the inverters can always operate at high efficiency range. Most inverters high efficiency operating range is above 80% load. However, IMHO, don't undersize the inverter more than 10%. This is up to owner and installer choice.
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Your system is doing well and is clearly performed as expected. I agree with you that sky condition is still a major factor in determine the overall performance. We always hope to have full clear sky everyday smile.gif . I also believe difference panels will perform differently under the same condition but unfortunately we do not have any quantifiable data available for our Malaysian condition. Ideally we should have difference panels installed at the same area side by side for best comparison. The question here is how much difference in performance between panels is still unknown?
I hope I can get a good clear sky day to see how much can my system perform? Until then, let's wait.
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post Nov 8 2013, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(abcstop @ Nov 8 2013, 01:45 PM)
I assumed you dont get 5.2+kwh/kwp everyday? What is your monthly kwh/kwp? From what i seem, most service provider only suggest 3.2-3.6kwh/kwp for their system.
Do you mind to share your average kwh/kwp for the 21 day so that i can have a idea of how good sunpower panel perform.
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My system average over the past 21 days is 4.02kWh/kWp.
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post Nov 8 2013, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(kd8800 @ Nov 8 2013, 02:57 PM)
Hi,
i m new here.  i m from Kedah. My best daily performance is 6+kWh/kWp ( just for 2 day only). My 11.25 kw system T & C at Dec 2012. The average performance until now is 4.2kwh/kwp. (i don know how to calculate the out put rate, nor don understand what is kVar or exp kWh. because my KACO inverter just show simple number at the small LED screen, i have to press a button each time to read something that i don't know. I just know to divide the total TNB meter reading by day, then by 11.25, and get the average performance, am i right?). i use German Qcell solar panel.
My second 12kw system had just complete install and waiting for TNB T & C metering. This time I use Korean Hanwa(Made in China) solar panel and German KACO inverter. And in future i m planing to install my 3rd system with China brand solar panel with German KACO inverter. At that time, sure we will know the performance of each of the solar system, but still depand on the position of facing of the solar to the sun.
I had install a speed dome CCTV on top of the roof. in future i will update d CCTV net work system and you all can see live of my solar. u even can zoom and pan tilt go left right up down. smile.gif .
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Wow, your system is firing with 6+kWh/kWp. I wish I can get that. Based from my understanding, northern part of Malaysia, normally has higher sun hour in the 1 few months of the year. Just wonder how your system performs over the past 2 months (Sep - Oct) where these are the months with the most rain.
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post Nov 9 2013, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(ivynsh @ Nov 8 2013, 06:47 PM)
actually..
this week my mum get a call from TNB saying that invite us to join solar installation project.
and today they go for solar idea introduction and deeply explore the system operation.
but one thing, this was handle by a campany name J.E.T.S. Engineering Sdn Bhd... not sure this company can be trust or not ><

for 4 kw
- thy tell us 1st need to pay 30% for the down-payment.
- after approval pay for 40%, then after installation paid the balance 30%
- and the hole things cost rm52.000

Here I have a question for who have install this solar in their home.
- the cell maintenance fees bare by who?

What are the others thing or T&C need to check carefully?

pls help me @@
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RM52k seem to be on the high side, however still depend on what type of panel and inverter they offers. I suggest you get a few more quotes from other service provider to get a better feel.
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post Nov 9 2013, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(abcstop @ Nov 8 2013, 10:55 PM)
6kwh/kwp is awesome! i think penang and kedah get more sunlight and also i notice your roof top is flat and hence can have ideal angle for the panel. i think that contribute to the result as well.
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I agree the nature of the roof top plays a big part in the system performance. From the camera, I believe you do not have any shading problem and all of you panels start working as soon as there is sun. Not like most of us where we do not have ideal roof condition where shading is one of the biggest negative factor. For my case, only 60% of my panels are exposed to full sunlight in the morning. Overall my system only have full sunlight exposure(no shading) from around 11am - 4pm. Beyond this timing, the system is not operating at full speed.

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