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This post has been edited by kcmy: Dec 23 2012, 03:22 AM

yay!

MOTM confirm Downing. So powderful!

Enrique is getting better and better... Glad to have him and Johnson playing wingback for us... Give our attacking more dynamic... Now jan get either Walcott or Sturridge to support Suarez!! Our future definitely looking bright...

1 goal from defender, 1 from CM, 1 from winger, 1 from striker..now everyone can score..lol

now can sleep happily

Usually in a match where everybody performs, it's hard to pick a MOTM but tonight there's only one clear candidate and he's Stewart Downing. Once again he showed he's the best partner for Johnson and he never hide - with the ball he took on players bravely and without the ball he tracked back tirelessly. The cracking goal was the icing on the cake and he was so close to get another. Long overdue league goal for him. Perhaps seeing Sterling getting starts ahead of him made him buckle down and work hard. If he goes on to do well, I couldn't be happier for him.

Fulham rarely threaten but it was obvious that the only had one outlet - Berbatov. It was enjoyable watching how we made his life hell for 90 minutes.

Dillon you've been drinking right?

This post has been edited by led_zep_freak: Dec 23 2012, 03:30 AM

It is the BR effect.. fact

Mayan Downing - MOTM.

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Added on December 23, 2012, 3:30 amBeen drinking Yakult only tonight.

So whatever I drink also work?

This post has been edited by dillonyong: Dec 23 2012, 03:30 AM

hold your horses lfc fans... lets not get carried away.. tough fixture on boxing day away to stoke

Deep inside we all knew downing have what it takes to terrorize the opponent,but bear in mind risse also had a very bad game.

i hope this game would be a new start for downing to prove his 20mil worthiness.

Riise purposely played badly to let his former mates get the advantage. A true RED John Arne Riise!

Downing takes MOTM for sure. Besides the goal and assist he worked hard for the team. Very solid performance from Stevie, Lucas and the back 4 as well. Closed down the opposition very well today. Never let Fulham get into any rhythm whatsoever. Fulham were far off from their best anyways but credit to the boys. A job had to be done and they did it well. Performance deserved that kinda scoreline

4 - 0.

poor agger..

If his name was Saniel Agger, or Daniel Sagger, he would've scored..

a nice win for the last game of 2012 at Anfield.

I hate to say I told you so, but I did bloody tell ya

Poor Meireles. I guess the Turkish FA will have to impress cultural classes on all foreign players as well now.

http://www.turkish-football.com/news_read.php?id=3950

Didn't I tell u that floodgates would open?

No Joe Allen aka WELSH XAVI = biggest and most convincing league victory under br. FACT!

Without Allen we played so well in Midfield.

We are at number 8 now, win 2 more games during Xmas we shall stay at 7 ( suarez number )

Is it the first time Allen does not start since the season start?

Allen like to pass to opponent in MF.

Allen cannot defend well.

Lucas is so much better than him.

Arghh.. missed the match..

note to self, do not take a 'nap' if the game is an hour away

played like that more often and we might get 12m for downing

dont think sturridge will be good fit for us..
he is bolot and shoot on sight when he get the chance....
exactly not the kind of player you want in passing and teamwork type of team.

Now BR said he wants Downing to keep playing like that and he doesnt want him to leave.

He's suddenly a $20mil player.

If BR can get the best out of Sterling, Suso, Enrique, Johnson and now Downing, I trust that he will do the same with Daniel Sturridge and Tom Ince. They will benefit massively under his guidance.

Speedy Daniel has an ego. It'll be crushed to pieces upon his entry to Melwood and we'll see the best of him.

that drowning assist.
5 points away from 3rd spot!!

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Added on December 23, 2012, 10:54 amdoes anyone have the stats for sturridge for this season so far??

This post has been edited by mkaz: Dec 23 2012, 10:54 AM

Sturridge's joining us....how come I dont feel the excitement and anticipation like others or It is just me ?

So many Chelsea fans have posted articles after articles about why they think Daniel Sturridge is a much more exciting player than Fernando Torres.

Of course many people here are not in favor of him. I trust that BR knows who he wants and why he wants him.

if BR said he want to keep downing that means he'll sell him..remember andy carroll?..haha

One game, Fulham, played well, without Allen and he's the culprit all these while?

What about Sterling? He did not play as well no? Why not him?

Downing played on the right wing! He must be the key!

Here
http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football/foot...er-than-torres/?

And when we were up against Aston Villa, if we put goals aside, did we really play that badly?

Defensively yes. The difference yesterday was how we work to try to cut them out higher up the pitch and we use bodies to block any shooting attempt Berba and his gang may want to set up leaving them with no room. They made mistakes after mistakes with quick passes and panic at the back with sloppy passes which we took advantage of.

Of course the finishing was more clinical and ruthless. The quick movement also open up the spaces.

If I have to be analytical, didn't Lucas play much better last night? And Not forgetting, Skrtel and Agger clicked well? Oh and Downing no longer playing as a left back last night?

Plenty of reasons, the Allen = the reason we haven't been good is getting annoying really.

Gerrard played well as well last night so is it possible that the reason we played well was that we were playing Fulham?

Lol, annoying? You can't handle the truth?

Truth? Sterling wasn't playing as well, why wasn't he the culprit? Downing as right wing?

You want truth? Here is something, cited from soccernet.com

"In fairness Fulham, who have won just one of their last nine league matches and only one of their last 10 away from home, were very accommodating and festively came bearing gifts aplenty."

Don't avoid what I said earlier, come out with something more substantial should you think that your points are valid.

Eating popcorn waiting for Carloz to reply. Interesting debate

I thought Aston Villa had the worse form compared to Fulham but we still lost last week despite us dominating the game?
Aston Villa had 6 attempts and scored 3 goals while reds had to try 29 times just to managed 1. Reds also had much better possession against Villa last week 72%; compared to 56% last night.

Are you saying Fulham let us walked the ball into unguarded nets last night? Cheer up bro! Just enjoy the Xmas..

so Allen = Culprit is invalid la

Guzan was the culprit last week

The culprit is http://www.facebook.com/iloveliverpool

Each time this joker post "Click like if you want Liverpool to win", we will end up losing heavily or draw. Creating jinx after jinx.

So each time someone has to post something about the jinx to stop the jinx. LOL

Luis Suarez: 'I do not dive'

Suarez claims that his motive is to protect himself from injury, rather than to fool officials.

"Sometimes you're standing there and someone comes flying in, so you move your leg out of the way or you go to ground because you're scared of getting hit," he told the Daily Mail.

"If I leave my leg there so the referee can see it's a foul, I risk suffering a big injury.

"That's why sometimes your instinct tells you to go to ground. It's a split-second instinct, not a conscious decision you make on the pitch. Of course, I don't want people to go around saying 'this guy just dives'."

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/liver...dive_60737.html

This post has been edited by dillonyong: Dec 23 2012, 12:58 PM

Allen had played so well in his first few games. He had been outstanding, winning back the ball, tracking opponent midfield players. I love to see him play that time. But when Lucas is back, and BR played both of them together as the holding/def midfileder, plus 1 attacking midfielder which is Stevie, the midfield area look crowded & dull(while there only Suarez at the top alone), if you know what i mean.

Lucas and Allen play quite the same part in the team, and Lucas look better because he had been playing as def midfield for Liverpool longer although both of them played as AM before they join us. Lucas has better experience in that def area, his positioning skill is better, he tackles better. BR tried to give him(Allen) free midfield role for last few games, but Allen the Welsh Xavi is not that creative so far, that is why he seems clueless, giving the ball away, and doing simple passing not creating any chances for us.

It is so different yesterday where Lucas played as DM, Gerrard as AM and Shelvey + Suarez played as CF. Guess who has Allen position? Its Suso. We play more open, all over the field with support of Downing, Enrique, and the creativity of Suso. We create more clear chances. I still hope Allen can show his creativity side like when he play for Swansea, maybe he need some times. -AmmoShaf(my own account has been banned for 7days, using friend acc)

Sturride medical



Haven't signed already doing medical? BR is really desperate lol

That is so true. This is what he should have clarified long time ago. The reason why suarez can stay fit and rarely gets injured is because he take good care of himself.

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Added on December 23, 2012, 2:05 pmHave to do medical first to confirm that Sturridge is not injured and is fit for the medically-foreseeable future. We don't want to sign another crocked player.

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Added on December 23, 2012, 2:10 pmI like Sturridge but I, too, dont feel any form of excitement because im not sure whether he is right for us. Also the 12 million pound price. If it were 2 million, then that would be a whole different story altogether.

This post has been edited by lerijiso: Dec 23 2012, 02:13 PM

He isn't everyone's cup of tea and yet he does what Rodgers wants him to do well - keep possession. He shows passion on the pitch and that deserves some respect at least. For a small lad, he has plenty of fire in him. Against Everton, he was often outmuscled, but he never backed down. Like Lucas before him, he has had to play in an unfamiliar role for much of the season, something critics don't often consider. He may pass sideways a lot but how else do you move opposition defenders about the pitch? Doesn't Xavi do the same for Barca? Only about 1/4 of his passes go forward yet people rate him and criticise Allen. Baffles the mind really.

Why is passing sideways and keeping possession important? It's a simple case of putting two and two together. Rodgers says we press when we are without the ball and we rest when we have it. Are we expected to look for incisive passes all the time? Allan's role is to keep possession, move the ball about, let the players have a breather and at the same time, move defenders about. I'm no football manager but I'm certainly no noob to the game either and I see the merit in such a role. He is eager and looks for the ball all the time.

Like him or not, attributing a win to the absence of one player not considering the fact that Fulham fielded a really weak midfield with the lazy Berbatov who never pressed our defence even when they were down, used as the fulcrum of their attack, is naive. Can't sugar coat it at all. Downing has been heavily criticised and yet he was in yesterday's squad and we won.

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Added on December 23, 2012, 2:21 pmHamann on Allen

http://liverpool.theoffside.com/2012/10/15...-lazy-critiques

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Added on December 23, 2012, 2:25 pmhttp://bet.unibet.com/football/2012/09/18/wake-shearer-joe-allen-liverpools-brave-pass-master/41

Another article on Allen. I'm implore that everyone reads about his game and understand why he does what he does.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Dec 23 2012, 02:25 PM

I really do like Allen. He's a smart player, works extremely hard and can be tenacious when he wants to. He's obviously not a perfect player. His height is an obvious defensive liability and at 22 he's still have much to learn - just like Lucas did 4 years back.

Anyways, I think his poor run of form lately is due to him in some sort limbo - combination of being overplayed, being required to play as a makeshift DM and not having the a proper CM to play alongside him. I think its the right decision to drop him for one or two games so he could gather himself again.

And if BR is spot on about his mentality, then i think Allen can only get better as the season progress.

Steve Nicol's opinion.

http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2012/10/steve...ilkins.html?m=1



Against Villa, he was seen backtracking, covering for the absent Lucas who is still off the pace.

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Added on December 23, 2012, 2:41 pmI have a feeling that if Joe Allen dyed his hair black, got a tan and called himself Asenjiao or something, he'd get a little more credit. His role isn't a glamorous one but he does it well.

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Added on December 23, 2012, 2:47 pmSideways pass masters

http://stateofthegame.co.uk/2012/11/01/the...-in-the-middle/

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Added on December 23, 2012, 2:51 pmAn opinion form FourFourTwo. A credible magazine if there was any.



http://fourfourtwo.com/blogs/statszone/arc...e-new-boys.aspx

Allen helps keep possession and we do indeed often have more than our opponents. Somehow however, it's his fault when we do not put away the chances we create? Perplexed.

Don't hate the player, hate the role.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Dec 23 2012, 03:19 PM

Sturridge can be like Suarez or Babel depend on his workrate here

Shit, we will soon have a player celebrating his goal by scratching his armpit...

Wow. Long time never see you here

Anyway, agree. To me, every player has a different contribution. Some telling moments bring the best out of the team. For me, Allen's important role is to help his team mates out of trouble. All the time he tracks back and ask for the ball to get the team mate that gets heavily marked out of the situation.

This is also a good contribution to the team. He doesnt do fancy stuff like backheel or try to beat players with dribbling but his contribution is vital.

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Added on December 23, 2012, 2:10 pm
I like Sturridge but I, too, dont feel any form of excitement because im not sure whether he is right for us. Also the 12 million pound price. If it were 2 million, then that would be a whole different story altogether.

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he's better than borini with the identical price tag atleast

In Rodgers we Trust

I want Carroll back , just Carroll will be fine, not even Torres.

blaming joe allen coz we cant get a win is like blaming m.u we cant get epl title..ridiculous!




west ham game we won and joe allen is playing

He definitely is more of a finished article than borini is. I rate Sturridge highly, just not sure if he is suitable for LFC.

We also overpayed for Borini as well. Borini should be in the region of 4-5 million.

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Added on December 23, 2012, 4:02 pmBut, I'll take whoever we can get our hands on at the moment.

This post has been edited by lerijiso: Dec 23 2012, 04:02 PM

i can see the differences from RH > KD > BR.. look at the players finding space to collect the passes compared to previous season. Even Downing understand now how to find space and pass it asap if its needed. I never missed any match this season all i can see is improvement, just matter of time and we need to get the right players. Not nonsense stats proven. I honestly think BR is building a philosophy so all the young players could follow and get home grown players instead of buying players. Rafa did that but unfortunately he didnt stay long enough but it benefited BR.

This post has been edited by kevafk: Dec 23 2012, 04:19 PM

downing was something else in last night game.. hope he keep performing to justify BR faith in him... and his crazy transfer fees.

apart from that, finishing is what makes the difference.. 5 points apart.. we are getting closer..

I mentioned before the game that we needed to field the most attacking line up and credit to br for doing just that.it was exactly the same as I felt we should except downing for sterling.

we have so many pass sideways players.Lucas,Allen and henderson.if everyone is gonna play it safe,then who is going to make the risky but creative passes? isn't that why we suffered after xabi left?we can only have one of lucas,Allen and hendo in the team.having 2 will be redundant.only Lucas should play.the other two midfield slot should go to stevie,sahin,suso and shelvey.

to make it clear,I prefer two attacking and one defensive midfielder compared to two defensive and one attacking.especially at home and against "weaker" teams

10 mins highlight. Good quality.

http://goo.gl/OG3b1

I don't think Allen or anyone else should be slated for not performing. except if they are like Joe Cole where he barely contributes.

Allen is a good player suffering a dip in form. I believe different game needs different players. Not many players can perform consistently forever.

Downing is starting to show some form perhaps because he did not complain even when he is asked to play LB. I feel the extra defensive duties given to him previously helped him to be better. Overall, Liverpool played almost as usual but better at the final third compared to other games. Although Fulham was crap for 80 minutes or so. Good big win to build the confidence. Hope to see more of such win.

on the ongoing saga about the transfer target(s) sturridge, Ince..

I find blackpoolfc are really bugger k*nts. Thomas Ince was only there for like a year & a half, a player we developed at the academy. Granted we lost him due to differences/saga thanks to RH brand of football.

Now they (blackpoolfc) wants more money, as if they didnt get windfall when we bought adams. < and don't blame us themselves relegated.

My thoughts exactly. They basically bought the player, repackage and then try to sell back to us with a 1000% mark up. Makes me pissed thinking about it.

A player that can dribble, take on defenders, a bag full of tricks, won't hesitant to take a shot, make timely run into the box, with sufficient pace and acceleration, can smell a opportunity for goal and most important yound and still developing...isnt this type of players we really need to strengthen and inproves the depth of our squad??

As such, it really puzzle me that Dan Sturridge receive such lukewarm response..granted he is not a finished article, or he is still unproven..but myself is really excited - a young and upcoming striker chose Liverpool instead of others - its bound to be a good news... Ydda yaddaaa, we signed too many turkeys, especially brits...they are overrated...but with sturridge, i am actually optimistic - when this guy plays, he have a sense of arrogance, unfaze, and dont care - about other defender attitude, which i really like. He is like Suarez, just wana play and with a touch of flamboyance.

Cant recall we have this type of player for a striker for a long time - since keegan, or collymore...probably fowler...And yes, there are similarity btn Suarez and Sturridge...but hey both start with capital S, if it means Score and Score...i'd take it..similar or dissimilar. Now we have our SS army, twin terror, altho i'd be hard press now..where does borini fits in then? Guess only time will tell...Cant wait for Suarez+Sturridge combo..really!

That's because of few factors:

1. They owe us 35% sell on sale for Ince. That's why they want to sell us at higher price so that they get the price they wanted even after the 35% clause

2. They owe a bit to Ian Holloway too... I remembering Ian said in his contract he gets too a % of sell off sale. Like he did get from Adam deal. For player he bought and developed, he get a % from the sale. Granted now he left Blackpool but I guess the clause still in force. Thus, MAYBE he will be getting some $ too.

they can play hardball now..but if we wait & patient, we can get Ince for free in the summer..i think blackpool will bow out to our demands or they will loose big time

i agree with..we only can pick one from hendo/lucas/allen..no point play lucas & allen.both almost play the same way. 2 holding midfielder must have two type of play.one is the creater(alonso/gerrard) & another one is destroyer (lucas/macherano)..

Funny guys, I rate Allen highly. I love to see his simple & tidy football. Who dare to criticize him?


In b4, I do rate Downing highly too after his first match with Liverpool. After that, he become ayam liao...

That was a very much needed win, after last week's debacle - a great morale booster that serves as an encouragement, and nothing else!

I hope BR won't start talking about moving up the table, catching the top 2 or 3 or whatever...again! Our players should keep their feet firmly on the ground in view of the coming matches through the festive period.

If we go into this period level-headed, steeled for very tough games and respecting each and every opponent, then we may have reasons to be cautiously optimistic.

No reason to slate Joe Allen. He's a good player for us and just need a little rest.

Downing is skilful and his problem is something else. Being dropped from the first team, being warned by the boss and the prospect of having to be sold seemed to have fired him up a little.

I feel that the inflated prices paid for Henderson and Downing affected their mentality and performances, whereas Charlie Adams was just not good enough. Hence it was a bad feeling of deja vu when I heard about the 12m price tag for Sturridge..haihzzz

..and how much for Ince?! I'll just pay 8m for both...max!

This post has been edited by RedSiglap56: Dec 23 2012, 10:23 PM

It really depends on who we are up against. Against stronger opponents I'm sure BR wants us to contain and keep possession as much as possible so he might just go with Allen + Lucas. Think it's unfair to say that yesterday's big win was down to Allen not playing. We did win 5-2 and 3-0 when Allen was playing too, remember?

media keep saying sturridge undergoing medical but still no leak pic

it is normal to medical before sign right? first time seeing this bro/dude/miss?

Daniel Sturridge is expected to get the number '9' shirt.

We are doomed !

Finally something more insightful, but then again, it's perception. Nevertheless, appreciate the effort

I am no pro tactician or what but this is rather insightful.

What I see in Allen is that, he has done little wrong. Just because he hasn't been making long killer wasteful passes, shooting from a long distance or tackling hard, doesn't mean that he wasn't contributing.

I see him as a tempo controller, a person connecting the defence and the attacks. Which is rather essential and if he does play long balls, I'd rather see him getting benched, unless he is that good with his foot.

To blame our losses or draws on Allen is like saying Suarez is immuned to blame just because he can make fancy dribbles and not score, or any other players.

Suarez did miss quite a few sitters, IIRC.

LOL. One swipe at the Welsh Xavi and now all the Allen lovers are out in full force.

It's laughable that you try to drag Sterling into the mess and put some blame onto his shoulder. Oh Please. Sterling has contributed way lot more than Welsh Xavi in midfield in the season so far. At least Sterling does not cost 15mil!

While the emphatic victory could be attributed to a lot of factors, but there's no denying that the loss of Allen in the middle of the park has improved the team offense and the fluidity of the ball in midfield. The possession stats may have gone down, but the number of 6 yrd passes is greatly reduced! Having Lucas and Allen together will negate the offensiveness of our midfield, FFS it's basically an invitation to the opposition to attack us.

I don't have to prove anything, the results is there for everyone to see.

Come back when Allen does actually have a good game!....and I ain't talk bout passing sideways or making 6 yrd passes to your teamates!

Quoting truths from soccernet ....becareful man.

This post has been edited by carloz28: Dec 24 2012, 12:00 AM

Nice goal from torres.

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Added on December 24, 2012, 12:10 amSo, a legend in the making. Unlikely but I hope he'll do well with us..he's got some hidden talent in him.

After all, his name starts with an 'S'.
Suarez, sterling, suso, sahin, shelvey, skrtel, sturridge..perfect fit.

This post has been edited by lerijiso: Dec 24 2012, 12:10 AM

Oh really? Perhaps we have been watching different teams then. The team I watched last week, against Aston Villa was a team that couldn't score against Guzan. Hardly lacked fluidity. As a matter of fact, I thought we played rather well. For the first half at the very least.

Inviting the opposition to attack us? How many chances did Aston Villa take to score three? How many did it take for us to score 1?

Can you actually point out how is making 6yard passes any worse than giving away possession by gambling on making long balls?

Btw, how is quoting truths from soccernet wrong?


This post has been edited by lilredridinghood: Dec 24 2012, 12:14 AM

If you think that we played well against Villa, then definitely we were watching different teams! Giving ball possession away to opposition? Thank you very much for the reminder, that was one of Welsh Xavi's favorite mistake as well. By the way, whoever coined that term Welsh Xavi is legendary. Must be the same bunch who labelled Bruno Cheyrou as the next Zidane!

Nobody said quoting from soccernet is wrong, sunshine. Just a word of caution for you before you picked a trolling headline next time

This post has been edited by carloz28: Dec 24 2012, 12:28 AM

guess this is going to get boring...but torres just scored again.
wonder if he can sneak in and get the top scorer award this yr

Oh? Okay. Perhaps I've been influenced too much by ESPN. But then again, I'm pretty sure many, not all shared pretty much the same thoughts. Unless, I need to get my eyes checked.

Debate's getting a little personal here. Hardly trolling btw.

This post has been edited by lilredridinghood: Dec 24 2012, 12:38 AM

Whoever players that BR select for each games, we as a fans can only put our fingers cross and pray for the team success, regardless of Allen,Lucas,Hendo,Sahin, Gerrard ect..
We can criticise or praise them, but they are the one who will deliver the result.
We called for Lucas head last time, but he came stronger than ever this time to prove us wrong.
Many of us wanted Downing to be sold, yet he buckled up with a tremendous performance yesterday.
Yes some of us heavily critised Allen for not contributing anything to the team, and for Godsake, for those who dislike Allen, please pray for his success in future. Sincere wish from me as a Natural fan of Liverpool fc.....

I wish him well & hope they win the league.

Your judgement on Allen pretty harsh, imho. From the start of the season he has been playing off position as DM as Lucas cover and doing pretty good job at it.. not as good as Lucas but decent enough. Then later changed to more forward midfielder which hasn't really working out. My suspect is burning out.. he is kinda off form now but hoping he could bounce back later. This is his first season anyway..

I would like to read what Chelsea fans will says about RB if that really happen.

BR has a game plan, we had under performing players like downing who has shown there is still vigour in him. I'm sure every player will suffer a dip, (in downing's case was a year+), what allen is going thru is just a mild dip. & like lucas whom is now integral to LFc, i'm sure there are aspects in allen's game that will improve.


Chelsea fans? they don't deserve a manager like rafa. they booed, hackled at his appointment, the sword are still at rafa's back.
btw 6-0 now to chelsea against the the same villa that killed us

sidenote, we use to score for fun too and hope our win over fulham is the exact strt to double our scoring figures

This post has been edited by koolspyda: Dec 24 2012, 01:38 AM

rafa will of cos have the last laugh...cos he is obviously getting the best out of torres...that will surely make abramovich happy seeing his investment finally playin well...and allow rafa to trigger his 1yr extension

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Added on December 24, 2012, 1:31 amand villa...we didnt exactly play badly...
individually there were some mistakes made that lead to certain goals...then again its still a team game.

our win against fulham last night was like a gimme...odds were against LFC of cos...but fulham's woeful away record proved to be their undoing.
the commentator last night also said so...and even mentioned that 3 of LFC's wins so far have come against teams in the bottom 4

but the next match away against stoke is gonna be one hell of a test, as stoke are 1 of 2 teams still unbeaten at home...
last time LFC couldnt even score against stoke at anfield...now stoke at home have an even tighter defence...
wish brenda all the best



This post has been edited by Everdying: Dec 24 2012, 01:31 AM

4 brasilian in chelsea team now..

rafa showing LFC what they're missing