Not sure if you have misunderstood but I don't think anybody's judging BR on what he did in Swansea. Whenever it's brought up, it's merely used for comparison sake or to back up a point. Relax, nobody here is aspiring to be a mid-table team. What we want though is for BR to achieve what he did at Swansea, which is to get players to do overachieve, in his preferred playing style no less.

True but when you hire a manager, it's like hiring any other employee. Unless you have a crystal ball, you look at their CV and on his CV, it says "Swansea".

Swansea exceeded the expectations of many and deserve the credit they received. Is there a guarantee that a manager as a mid-table side will be a success at a big club? Of course not. Does that however mean we should only hire managers with impressive credentials at big clubs? Well, we can't afford them. In Rodgers we hired a young, talented manager with potential. Who was Mourinho when Porto hired him? I feel the need to spell out that I'm not referring to Mourinho specifically. I'm using him as an example.

Come one, our problem is we cannot score goals. So what to do? opponent socre 1 u can get 2 back and win 2-1. If 1 goal also cannot score then how to win?
Agree we don't have leadership and direction. Our tactics is not win games but to do passing much similar like team parking bus behind the goal post.

It's going to be against QPR this weekend with Harry and team still desperate for a win to lift them out of the relegation zone. Still remember the last time we visited Loftus Road, we lost 3-2 and we were on a few game losing streak towards the end of the 11/12 season.

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Added on December 27, 2012, 4:24 pmIs Sahin still injured? Was expecting him to start yesterday or even brought in as a sub yesterday.

This post has been edited by flix: Dec 27 2012, 04:24 PM

Ah I remember Coates' goal, beautiful. And then we threw away a 2-0 lead.

Before the Southampton game, I've said that the next 6 or 7 games are winnable and we should to win at least 4 to 5 games if we are to achieve anything this season. We have won 3 so far and lost 2 but perhaps the most disappointing one was the Villa game where we dropped points due to overconfidence and complacency. Therefore, we're now in unnecessary pressure to win the next 2 games.

It is same against Stoke, just prior before 4-0 win against Fulham then being hammered by Stoke..

The coming Jan fixture is going to be tough, if no win next 2 fixture against QPR and Sunderland, then very likely talking about close to relegation zone again.

R. Benitez before being hired by Valencia, is a 2nd league / 3rd league calibre manager who's known as a "promotion specialist". That was pre-Valencia.

Valencia and post-Valencia, I think we all Reds knew what kind of mettle he's got.

We should know Brendan Rodgers isn't up there yet with the likes of Fergie, Wenger, Mourinio, Rafa, etc (yet)

It's in our hope we will bet there, which is why the blueprint is laid out with that framework.

we can certainly afford managers with impressive credentials but those managers wont come to LFC.
they all know its an extremely hot seat with no guarantees of longevity.

just to put into prespective...
kenny was earning about 4.5m / yr...while mancini is currently earning around 6m / yr, and SAF who is at 8m / yr...
joe cole meanwhile is also earning around 4.5m / yr...

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Added on December 27, 2012, 5:52 pmQPR already won their first game...against fulham
so LFC can save face by knowing that they wont be QPR's first victim...but second...


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It makes no sense to sack the manager as I said previously. But BR has to learn from this. It's a trying season and I know everyone is unhappy. Let's give it another season to assess the team.

I am just as impatient for success but what can we get out of sacking BR? Rebuild again? Screw that. Let's focus on building it from here.

And yes, I hate losing to Stoke more than losing to MU because Stoke is everything that is wrong about entertaining football and I hate it that we lose to them more than any other teams. But let's move forward.

We know the defense is weak, let's address that. We know our strikers are not converting enough because Suarez is quite isolated, let's do something about that.

And if Braddy is a better prospect than Pepe, then let's give him a chance to perform as well.

That's it! Let's focus on the problem rather than sacking the manager.

BR out, who should be in charge? Nobody will able to please the fans now.

Woy must be breaking a cold sweat now that his EPL record with Liverpool is about to be broken by BR if we are to be defeated at Loftus Road.

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Added on December 27, 2012, 5:59 pmRafa was literally begging us to rehire him but NO, FSG decided to look for younger, dynamic & modern thinking coaches.

Hooray.

This post has been edited by carloz28: Dec 27 2012, 05:59 PM

BR has the option not to rebuild, and work on what was missing last season...which was avoiding the woodwork.
and then slowly implement his ideas in parallel.

and calling our defense weak...well last season, same defenders but 3rd best in the league.
so obviously something went wrong somewhere with tactics.

And I still remember people calling LFC Liverpool Football Charity last season, giving away free points to those fighting relegation battle. Hopefully it will not repeat again this season

this season diff abit...cos we only get points from teams in the relegation zone...

I pretty much think they feel Rafa will be at odds with them.

One think i think i know of americans, they 'usually' defend their county men first. (then again its just my opinion)

Moreover, what FSG has in mind is like hoping to start from scratch. young team, have a mid to longer team goals. They (FSG) already figured that we cant compete toe-to-toe with the likes of Manu, City, Chelsea etc.

At most we are in the league with Spurs & other mid table teams but in the view also hoping to copy arsenal success in identifying rough diamonds.

granted we splashed big during Dalglish year, but the comments by them thereafter showed/hinted they will opt for the road that we are in now.

its painful to see, we blow hot & cold in games.

I hope & wish that we add more consistency, but i've have turned my expectations this year to if we can just match Dalglish 8th placing with a younger & with potential to grow.

Hey, the total cost of players in Dalglish squad is XX more then BR's squad. (trying to reason with myself )


correct. we just don't have players like reina, agger, sktel just lost their mind on how to play football. they defence isnt protected as well as before? or they way we are playing (not pressing high up the pitch) as just to conserve energy to 'pass' well ?


This post has been edited by koolspyda: Dec 27 2012, 06:36 PM

That's where the coaching ability comes in and make the difference.

As Rafa had shown seasons ago, he was able make the same set of players work for him, so why can't they show the same commitment to BR? Under Rafa, Skrtel was a dominant force in the air.

Quality players aren't turning up for BR, and it's obvious. Whether are they losing confidence in the manager or doubting his credentials, we donno yet.

Like i said earlier, you can bring Messi in but i doubt it's gonna make any difference.

i think this is where encouragement to play actually backfired. its ok to encourage agger to play the ball, but methinks that skrtel should be more disciplined. we cant have both CBs trying to play smart. one have to be the hard tackling no nonsense type. remember last time skrtel didnt hoof the ball instead he tried to play it and conceded? perhaps last night skrtel was too high up instead of holding his line and be the rock behind.

our problem isn't just simply that we can't score goals. we're hardly pressing and attacking. we're static most of the times. passing game? just compare the way spurs played with how we played last night. we were very uncomfortable with the ball. two or three touches before bringing the ball under control sometimes.

Skrtel and agger hav been way too ordinary this season, it's time to break their partnership, Coates deserves a chance, continous chance I mean, I think he's more mobile than skrtel just lack of experience

Do you happen to have a source for how much the respective clubs have to pay the agents of each of those managers? A difference of £3-4 million may not seem much over the course of a year but it does amount to some 10% of last season's nett loss. That's pretty significant. We have salary caps for players and I imagine the same applies to the manager. Do you happen to know how much Rodgers is being paid? I know he saved the club some by not negotiating his contract through an agent.

True, big name managers may not want to come because they won't have autonomy nor will they have a big transfer kitty. These days there is no guarantee of longevity unless you managed a mid table side and continue to punch above your weight. Winnings titles with clubs like Chelsea and Real Madrid doesn't even ensure your job these days.



This is what I thought was needed this season. In my opinion hitting the woodwork that many times at least showed we were getting shots in on target and if we had continued to plug away this season, it is unlikely we would hit the post that many times again.

BR wants his team to play his way and that's fair. Hodgson was allowed the same luxury when he took over from Rafa as was Kenny after him. He didnt have seasoned veterans like Maxi and Kuyt to call upon anymore, and Stevie was way off his best. Lucas was crocked. He dropped Henderson and Downing both of whom under performed last season and had to replace them. Charlie Adam was also a mainstay in the team. Rodgers was also told to trim the wage bill. In a sense, he had to rebuild within a budget (transfer fee and salary), hence why he's signed young players, hoping they'll one day be gems.. There are some positives. Sterling is now a regular and a rising star as are players like Wisdom, Suso and Shelvey. With the exception of the latter, they are all still only teenagers.

If the second half of the season is a direct reflection of the first half, we would have conceded more goals this season, no doubt. However we would also have scored more. In a nutshell I've noticed we've become less cautious defensively, preferring to play a high line when we have the ball, pushing more bodies forward.

Skrtel in my opinion was never a top class defender until he was paired with Daniel Agger last season. What I've noticed is we've been having problems dealing with aerial bombardments right after Hyypia left, when we were still managed by Rafa. I remember his zonal marking system coming under intense scrutiny as we were conceding too many from set pieces, resulting in headed goals. From my observations, it isn't so much about our players being out jumped than it is about players failing to get there in time to challenge the header. We don't pick up offensive threats very well and it isn't a new problem.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Dec 27 2012, 10:32 PM