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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, GATHERING- 13th Jan,7.30pm at Bar Tres

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keith.hmc
post Dec 24 2012, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Dec 24 2012, 02:50 PM)
I beg to differ, imo he has been monumental in BR's system as the 11th outfield player.

BR's philosophy is to keep possession for as long as possible. To achieve that, goalkeepers and defenders are expected not to punt the ball upfield. This is because players like Suarez and Sterling are never going to win aerial battles against giants like Shawcross and Huth. 9 times of 10, the defenders will win the ball and regain possession.

So to play smart, we need to keep the ball on the ground and circulate possession. Midfielders and strikers are trained to soak in pressure, however the problem is usually in the defenders. Defenders, by nature are better without the ball than they are with the ball. When under pressure, they are prone to mistakes. So to relieve the pressure, the more options they have to pass to, the better. Back in the 80s, our defenders used to pass it back to the goalkeeper and once they pick up the ball... wham... pressure over.

Picking the ball up is no longer possible but if you have a keeper like Reina who is comfortable receiving the ball, it changes the complexity of the game. I remember an instance early this season where the opponent's striker was chasing down at Reina as he was about the clear the ball. Instead of striking the ball with full force, Reina dropped his shoulder at the last second, feint the clearance and pushed the ball to an opposite direction. The striker ended up behind Reina and Pepe had acres of space ahead of him to pick out a pass. Suddenly, we had 11 outfield players versus their 9. And then there was another instance where Joe Allen had no where to go and sent a lob pass back to Reina. A different keeper would have cursed Allen to death but Reina took the ball down like any good player and distributed it to the other side of the pitch. It's subtle genius like that that usually go unnoticed by the uninitiated. Hardly surprising though, considering he was a Barca graduate. Try watching Joe Hart and see, an excellent shot stopper but - I suspect due to the English coaching - whenever he receives the ball, his first choice is to clear it.

I do agree that he hasn't made a great save in a long time (In fact, when was the last time he saved a penalty anyway? Against Rooney's that eventually went in?) and he could have prevented a few goals this season. However, goalkeepers who could use their feet are a rare breed in football and it's an added bonus that Reina is a positive influence in the dressing room. Unless he wants to leave, I personally think we should tie him down for as long as possible. Perhaps getting a good deputy would do him some good but I like to think that letting him go is our last resort.


Added on December 24, 2012, 2:51 pm
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This is actually very good. No doubt Reina has lost some form this season but he is good with the ball and very composed. Still can be our No. 1 for a few more seasons. At the meantime, I think Liverpool should be on the lookout for a young goalkeeper to start moulding him into that kind of keeper that can play with the ball. I personally like Marc-Andre ter Stegen but he definitely won't come cheap.
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post Dec 24 2012, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Dec 24 2012, 03:14 PM)
Just wondering though, in the first half last Saturday he made a save with his leg and the ball went back to Enrique. Was it deliberate or out of desperation? It gave me a slight heart attack as Berba was close to intercept it. laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Yea, I saw that save. I think it was a reaction save. He was diving one way and the way Richardson hits the ball, it swerves unpredictably (I think they call that a knuckle shot which CR7 mastered) so his reactions kicked in and just stuck his foot there. I feel your sentiment of a heart attack too. It could have easily hit the wrong part of his leg and just spin into the goal or back to another Fulham player. Nonetheless, a good save. XD
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post Dec 24 2012, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Dec 24 2012, 04:13 PM)
and then after that we see rafa show us how its done again with a 5-0 drubbing of stoke tongue.gif
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Hahaha. But it's not fair to compare though. Chelsea do have more creative players compared to us. How I wish we had the likes of Mata, Hazard, Oscar and Ramires in our ranks.


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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Dec 24 2012, 04:21 PM)
Why? It's the only ground where the people take so much care of ball. I mean, look at the way the clean the ball with such delicate care, only in Stoke does the ball shine the brightest.

And it's probably the only game where you could watch 2 games in one - Football and Rugby! Wrestling too occasionally, what a bargain! thumbup.gif
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AHAHAHA! Tengok-tengok, we see a chokeslam out of nowhere. XD

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post Dec 28 2012, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 28 2012, 01:50 PM)
Mate

Stevies 33, not 23 anymore...........my real worry is: WHERES the replacement?    sad.gif
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I think Shelvey could be a decent replacement to Gerrard.
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post Dec 28 2012, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(lerijiso @ Dec 28 2012, 02:32 PM)
Yeah..too bad..he lost his goal scoring touch and i think his shooting technique deteriorated..40 yards was peanuts for him back then.

But fat frank is 34/35 but he still can score like dat. I think stevie still has it in him somewhere.


Added on December 28, 2012, 2:33 pm
Shelvey is decent but he is not as class as stevie was at his age and i doubt will ever be.


Added on December 28, 2012, 2:39 pm
Wow..fans are getting more impatient. They should cut the boy some slack..it wasnt his fault..the whole team was in shambles..and partly BR's tactics misfired.
Well, its still a learning phase for our young team and manager. Things like this are bound to happen.
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Yea, hence me saying he could be a decent replacement. Not the best replacement but he has potential too. Gerrard is one of those rare players of his generation. I think it's so stupid how fans like to bash on the team when they don't perform and sing songs when they do. Being a supporter means sticking with them through the bad times too. No doubt we all feel angry and frustrated at times but best not to show to the public, only reflects badly on other fans.


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QUOTE(rushmode @ Dec 28 2012, 03:03 PM)
Stevie is whole another level when he's Shelvey's age. Its very hard to find a talent and loyalty like he has nowadays..

My friends who are gooner's fans already started to bark now.. my whatsapp full with their banters. Couldn't counter them much. Please don't get beat up by QPR this week.. notworthy.gif
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Ahahaha... Gerrard is one in a million la. I doubt we would be able to find a great replacement for him in the next decade but for now Shelvey will have to do. He's got potential but true that he is not as potentially gifted as Gerrard. Still think he does a good job trying to play in a new system and we should give him some time to mature.

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post Dec 28 2012, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(wadefak @ Dec 28 2012, 03:18 PM)
i was really looking forward for aquilani to be his replacement sad.gif
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Hahahaha... Aquaman... Yea, I was hoping he could finally be god for the money too. He is a class player but the Premier League just wasn't for him I guess.
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post Dec 28 2012, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(skyz @ Dec 28 2012, 03:27 PM)
we are linked to this young boy, lewis holtby...
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Liverpool target Holtby to leave Schalke on free transfer
The 22-year-old midfielder has decided against renewing his contract with the Bundesliga outfit and could be set for a move to Anfield with his current deal expiring next summer.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/transf...n-free-transfer

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Pretty sure other top teams are monitoring him as well and let's face it, Liverpool just doesn't have the pull anymore to get top young talents. Especially not with our failings in the past 3 years. It'll be a surprise if he chooses Liverpool in my opinion.
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post Dec 28 2012, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(Ichighost @ Dec 28 2012, 03:40 PM)
plus his dad surely wont let that happen..he and his father are Everton fans..

“Everton are close to my heart and I always loved watching Arsenal because of their style of play and some of the players they’ve had.” - Lewis Holtby
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Exactly. Right now, as painful as it is to admit, Liverpool is just not spoken in the same breath as the likes of MU, M City and Chelsea.


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QUOTE(wadefak @ Dec 28 2012, 03:54 PM)
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IMO, the winning mentality at that time was due to Gerrard's will to win. he drove the entire team to victory, time and time again. but after several seasons of driving and carrying the team, i believe the club have to look for a replacement. someone with similar charisma as Gerrard. come to think about it, are there anyone inside the current team, apart from gerrard and carra, was in the squad during 2005? i dont think so.

BR's current squad doesnt know that feeling, the true feeling of representing the club as well as gerrard and carra does. but sadly, both players are starting to lose their form, bit by bit, without any clear replacement. we are still missing a driving force in the middle and a commanding defender at the back, both controling the team full-hearted.

a player that i can truly see wearing the jersy was torres, but he moved to chelsea, which only leaves BR with what he currently have and build from that. it was a little bit easier for RB to bring the squad to glory as the team haven't dropped that far as they are right now. i'm sure FSG knows this and trusts BR as the right man to bring the team back on track with almost nothing left.

please, give the man a break.

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Agreed.

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post Dec 30 2012, 10:11 PM

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I know every Liverpool fan will enjoy this video very much. smile.gif


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post Jan 8 2013, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 7 2013, 09:59 PM)
Gosh, I made a mistake anyway. My friend wanna bring his GF too. tongue.gif

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Don't think I can make it. Busy with work during the day so just gonna stay home and watch the game. Thanks anyway! Maybe next time la.

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