To be fair, all teams would have a hard time matching up against Stoke at their own ground.

BR is still relatively young, he should learn from this. i think he must be thinking about getting physical players in the team, but i think he wont be calling carroll back. i believe speed is still BR's philosophy. he wont buy players who are slow.

how many big players out there that are fast?

Didn't watch the match yesterday but some of the irony here is astounding.

BR's philosophy is to starve the opposition of possession and give them a horrid slow death

unfortunately it didnt happen and we instead got a slow horrid death. i hope its true BR have a 40m january warchest, because in this kind of form, we may be out of europe entirely next season and that will do a lot of damage long term

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the team or the manager but you really don't need to watch the match to pick out what's wrong in some of the posts here.

Like it or loath it, BR will continue to play the way he wants the team to play. There has always been an argument between setting your side out to suite other teams, or do impose your style of play on others. Which is better? The Liverpool of old didn't care who they were up against. We played our way. A less glamorous team who does the same thing today is Stoke City. If you've got tall, big blokes, you lob the ball in to them. Everton did the same with Fellaini when they played us.

The question I have is this since I didn't watch the game. How does everyone reckon we could have done better against Stoke, tactically?

I myself would like a little steel in midfield, an enforcer of sorts. Stevie is getting on and the only other physical bloke we've got is Jonjo. Having said that, we could never have gone toe-to-toe with Stoke even if we had Mascherano or Hamann back in midfield. Could we have done better defensively knowing they are a physical side who dominates every opponent in that category?

Tiki-taka can only bring the game to certain level, still it is the finishing that counts.
Some team do not have possesion, but played long balls forward and they can win too if luck is with them.

ironically, the legendary LFC teams used to do that... 

So what has really changed besides having more possession since KD left actually? The team still have a lot of shots, a lot of them being not converted. Still a lot of woodwork-hitting. Defence still shaky like last season too.

1st goal - which is why i asked earlier - is reina any good? i dont believe there will be no keeper who can save that. there are good keepers who can deal with one on one situations no problem. but with reina, most of the time if one on one, i think thats it. but just my view

2nd goal - the goal went in near one of the post. i dont know where was our defender guarding it. total mess

3rd goal - not exactly a swift shot. reina seem like dont have any spring in his feet

but i agree on agger and skrtel. especially skrtel. good one match, give penalty the next. inconsistent

and a no.7, and a no.10, and no.11...all who could score goals 

Kenny was building progressively....starting for the defense....altho we couldnt score (most of it coz of woodwork n luck) we didnt conceed so easily. By the end of his season, we can see our midfield already linking nicely wif the front thru Carroll...

RB tries to rebuild the whole team as one...

i dont specificly want to target my criticism on reina. but look at RM. casillas. even one on one the team can still know they have a reliable last man, but not with our reina. thats my feeling. my whole point is, we need to sign a better keeper

That's because they had a destroyer who wanted to punch Suarez if he had the chance and also who kicks the ball at opponent's head when he's lying on the ground.

Serious matter though, our defence really no muscle wan. Far too many times in the past year I get mini heart attacks when we play against physical forwards. Even worse if the forward is quick too. Skrtel and Agger really deceive ppl with their height. Look tall only but struggle to win headers convincingly. Sums up the team in general. Look at the team sheet - Reina, Johnson, Skrtel, Agger, Gerrard, Suarez. All multi-capped internationals. Ppl might think we could finish in the top 6 comfortably. In reality, barely in the top 10. Sakit hati tengok.

thats a keeper's job. if he did well, then good job. if he did not, then he did not. problem is, either his reaction not fast enough at times, or his hands are not long enough, or his feet dont have much spring left. whatever it is, reina is not good enough and i believe we need a better keeper. like some mention we need to sign strikers, i think we should also look at the possibility to sign another keeper. some may even say we need a new CB. each of us have our reasons.

People don't always know how to appreciate goalkeepers.

People remember keepers more for the goals they concede rather than the goals they prevent.

I always sympathize with goalkeepers because I play keeper in Futsal and I know that people focus more on the goals conceded rather than the ones that were not scored.

BUT...

I do feel Reina's form has dipped, but selling him isn't the solution - he is, and has been proven, a great keeper.

Agger and Skrtel are also great players, but not even close to being as commanding as Hyypia - and that's what we lack, HEART.

agree 100%

QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Dec 27 2012, 12:33 PM)

People don't always know how to appreciate goalkeepers.

People remember keepers more for the goals they concede rather than the goals they prevent.

I always sympathize with goalkeepers because I play keeper in Futsal and I know that people focus more on the goals conceded rather than the ones that were not scored.

BUT...

I do feel Reina's form has dipped, but selling him isn't the solution - he is, and has been proven, a great keeper

Yup. I can easily point out what I remembered that was disastrous in our defensive displays this season.

Yaya Toure's goal
Lukas Podolski's goal
Benteke's goal
Fletcher's goal
Holt's goal
Walter's goal
Jones's goal

All exposed!

if you want to beat Liverpool, just sit back and let us arse around with the ball all day. We'll lose it eventually. And when we do, all you'll need is a bit of pace because the defence will be spread all over the gaff and you'll have one little fella trying to stop you charging through the middle. And if you can get a fella out wide, you're laughing. The fullbacks will be miles up the pitch and chances are one of them won't even be a full back. So, he can't tackle and his positioning is shocking. So come down the outside if we do happen to have another fella helping the midget in the middle.

Well apparently there are more ways than one to beat us as this writer offers a different view of how to do it.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1458627...verpool-forward

Correct but they're getting their break now under the supervision of Rodgers. Unlike teams who have the luxury of introducing young players gradually, we've had to rely on the names I mentioned in the very same season.

I reckon we'll know the answer by the end of the season. If we finish off no better than last season in the league, with no trophies to boot, it stands to reason that BR would get the sack using Dalglish as a benchmark. If he doesn't it just means that FSG have bought into the idea of having to take one step back to take two steps forward. They after all sanctioned the purchase of younger players as well and are continuing to do so with since and Sturridge. Not like Rodgers is doing it under their noses what with rumours being circulated in the media every other day.

John Henry likened turning our fortunes around to steering a cruise liner, and not a speedboat. I reckon that just so long as we generate a positive cash flow or at least significantly decrease last year's deficit, he will be patient with Rodgers, possibly handing him a bigger transfer kitty come the 2013 season.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/new...he-sack-1507486