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SUS2890
post Dec 19 2012, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Dec 19 2012, 10:27 PM)
Tempest Rush: Northern Breeze?

Tailwind too fast to pick up gold? I should try it too.

Your pickup radius is incredible.

Health Link Elites is bug at the moment...

Thanks for the video...

I got something idea to improve my Tempest Rush now...


Added on December 19, 2012, 10:28 pm

131k DPS with WKL??? That's crazy!

Normally I would say 2.7 LS without LoH is not enough... but with that damage.... you tell me!
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but i die easily.. Some dude told me you need LS on both weps if u go DW. if not go skorn. So?? any tips?
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QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 19 2012, 10:05 PM)
Any comment? Am i doing anything wrong??

Passives: STI, Resolve and Transcendence.
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My my I am impressed..pretty awesome monk there..and great to see you ditched owe

Only quibble I have would be the low armor, try pushing it up to 5k. Kinda weird to see purp gems as well lol..me thinks you can drop the vit gems from the depth diggers and swap with emerald.


Added on December 19, 2012, 10:45 pm
QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 19 2012, 10:40 PM)
but i die easily.. Some dude told me you need LS on both weps if u go DW. if not go skorn. So?? any tips?
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Only at high mp, you got lpps so I would recommend getting a inna helm with at least 50 lpps with ar. You don't need the asi so much since you got fast weapons diminishing returns bro ...

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post Dec 19 2012, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Dec 19 2012, 10:42 PM)
My my I am impressed..pretty awesome monk there..and great to see you ditched owe

Only quibble I have would be the low armor, try pushing it up to 5k. Kinda weird to see purp gems as well lol..me thinks you can drop the vit gems from the depth diggers and swap with emerald.


Added on December 19, 2012, 10:45 pm
Only at high mp, you got lpps so I would recommend getting a inna helm with at least 50 lpps with ar. You don't need the asi so much since you got fast weapons diminishing returns bro ...
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well i'm wearing most of my DH gears so didn't need OWE.

I don't think 2.7LS is enough. Man, don't tell me i'm gonna be forced into using a LS EF. How do u guys deal with RD mobs?
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post Dec 19 2012, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Dec 19 2012, 09:07 PM)
Actually, IIRC, that is for barbs, for monks there is no difference whether it si main or off hand. A good read can be found here:http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6202181225

EG Sweeping Wind

As I showed above, for an individual weapon, the weapon speed does not matter for total Cyclone damage contribution, just weapon DPS. This situation becomes more complicated when you are dual wielding however. Just to continue my example, let's assume we are now dual-wielding both weapons from my previous example.Because your overall base attacks per second while dual-wielding is an average of your weapons, our new attacks per second is 1.5 (multiplied by % attack speed on gear and the 15% attack speed boost from dual-wield, but this contribution is not significant for this example because that would affect both weapons equally).If you recall, the damage of SW and Cyclone is "set" based on which hand is active when you use the ability. Let's see what happens when our active weapon is both of the ones in this example.If we "set" our damage with our slow main hand weapon, Cyclone will be hitting for 20 damage per shock again, for 120 total damage. Our overall attacks per second is now 1.5 however, which makes our Cyclones spawned per second 0.75 (1.5 APS * 50% Crit). So Cyclones are adding 90 DPS on average (120 dmg * 0.75). This is more than just this weapon alone.If we "set" our damage with our fast off-hand weapon, Cyclone will be hitting for 10 damage per shock with a total of 60 damage. Again, our overall attacks per second is 1.5 and we are getting 0.75 Cyclones per second. Cyclone is only adding 45 DPS in this situation (60 * 0.75). This is less than with just this weapon alone.

Credit to Rehwyn.
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i think the conclusion would sum it better:
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Conclusion and Gear Recommendations

So what does this mean in terms of gear?

Well, it means you need to make a decision. How committed are you to always checking which weapon you have active before you use Sweeping Wind?

If you want to maximize your DPS no matter what and are committed to always making sure your main hand is active, equipping a slow, high DPS mace/spear in your main hand and a fast dagger in your offhand provides the highest DPS possible. It does, however, come at a slight loss of spirit and LoH regen due to your slower attack speed. Plus, if you mess up and your dagger is active, you lose a lot of damage from Sweeping Wind/Cyclone.

If, like me, you are more casual and don't feel like monitoring your active weapon, your best bet is to choose two weapons with similar attack speed and focus just on getting high weapon DPS and good DPS stats on your gear. If you have two weapons with the same DPS and same attacks per second, your Sweeping Wind damage will be consistent no matter which weapon is "active".

I hope this information has been helpful. Please feel free to make any comments, suggestions or questions.
thanks for the link.

so TLDR: you actually have to take care on which hand is active at the time (GDI jay wilson, learn how to not over complicate games already)


Added on December 19, 2012, 11:15 pm
QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 19 2012, 10:05 PM)
Any comment? Am i doing anything wrong??
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wow so purple. you have double my dps, hard to be doing anything wrong id reckon lol.


Added on December 19, 2012, 11:18 pm
QUOTE(cowithgun @ Dec 19 2012, 10:27 PM)
Normally I would say 2.7 LS without LoH is not enough... but with that damage.... you tell me!
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im on 2.2LS at 65k or so dps. so yeah, lol.

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post Dec 19 2012, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 19 2012, 11:03 PM)
well i'm wearing most of my DH gears so didn't need OWE.

I don't think 2.7LS is enough. Man, don't tell me i'm gonna be forced into using a LS EF. How do u guys deal with RD mobs?
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I never had any issues with RD mobs without LS. 2k Loh + 500 life regen is enough to deal with RD.
But sometimes there are like 5,6,7 (horde minions) of them with RD and I try to burst them down with FitL + MOC, I got some damage back. The rest of the time is alright.
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post Dec 20 2012, 01:28 AM

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QUOTE(qicquser @ Dec 19 2012, 11:54 PM)
I never had any issues with RD mobs without LS. 2k Loh + 500 life regen is enough to deal with RD.
But sometimes there are like 5,6,7 (horde minions) of them with RD and I try to burst them down with FitL + MOC, I got some damage back. The rest of the time is alright.
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i can't deal with RD even on MP5. Can you masters advice me please??

My monk is even weaker than my DH when dealing with RD. ANy ideas?

I have 558 AR and 2.7 LS.

Should i get more HP? more AR?

Some monk friend told me the best is to stack DPS so more LS in return. Good idea??
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post Dec 20 2012, 01:50 AM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 20 2012, 01:28 AM)
i can't deal with RD even on MP5. Can you masters advice me please??

My monk is even weaker than my DH when dealing with RD. ANy ideas?

I have 558 AR and 2.7 LS.

Should i get more HP? more AR?

Some monk friend told me the best is to stack DPS so more LS in return. Good idea??
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you have double my dps and 0.4% more LS. maybe learn to kite around and not just left click and pray everything will be alright?
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 20 2012, 01:50 AM)
you have double my dps and 0.4% more LS. maybe learn to kite around and not just left click and pray everything will be alright?
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kite? LOL.

You do know on high MP you can't really kite don't you? oh wait, u've not played there yet. Guess you won't know then.
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post Dec 20 2012, 01:55 AM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 20 2012, 01:54 AM)
kite? LOL.

You do know on high MP you can't really kite don't you? oh wait, u've not played there yet. Guess you won't know then.
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i can't deal with RD even on MP5.

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post Dec 20 2012, 01:56 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 20 2012, 01:55 AM)

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Quazacolt, get more game time and maybe some knowledge before you start posting nonsense will ya?
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post Dec 20 2012, 01:58 AM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 20 2012, 01:56 AM)
Quazacolt, get more game time and maybe some knowledge before you start posting nonsense will ya?
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you said you cant deal with RD on mp5, im dealing with RD on mp5 with basically less than what your gear gives you. what gives? you're the expert right? you tell me then.
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post Dec 20 2012, 02:01 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 20 2012, 01:58 AM)
you said you cant deal with RD on mp5, im dealing with RD on mp5 with basically less than what your gear gives you. what gives? you're the expert right? you tell me then.
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LOL.

Do u know how RD works?

You have half my DPS and almost identical LS, ofc u won't have a problem with RD.
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post Dec 20 2012, 02:02 AM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 20 2012, 02:01 AM)
LOL.

Do u know how RD works?

You have half my DPS and almost identical LS, ofc u won't have a problem with RD.
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i take down elites in a serenity cycle or 2. you got twice my dps, i would assume you'd kill an elite in just a serenity cycle. you DO know how serenity works, right?
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post Dec 20 2012, 02:13 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 20 2012, 02:02 AM)
i take down elites in a serenity cycle or 2. you got twice my dps, i would assume you'd kill an elite in just a serenity cycle. you DO know how serenity works, right?
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Apparently what another fellow monk told me about you is right. You just read stuff and copy paste here.

First, 60k DPS monk start babbling he has no problem with RD. How about i drop my weapons and play with 10k DPS. I'm pretty sure i won't have any problems either.

Serenity? So you going to build a monk that's serenity dependent? EVery time a RD pack comes, pop serenity and hope to kill them within one cycle? And if u play MP 8 and above and don't kill within one cycle, what you gonna do? run away and wait till serenity is being refreshed and fight again? Please, get some game time.

I rolled this monk so i could not just play my DH on high MP. It gets boring.


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post Dec 20 2012, 02:28 AM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 20 2012, 02:13 AM)
Apparently what another fellow monk told me about you is right. You just read stuff and copy paste here.

First, 60k DPS monk start babbling he has no problem with RD. How about i drop my weapons and play with 10k DPS. I'm pretty sure i won't have any problems either.

Serenity? So you going to build a monk that's serenity dependent? EVery time a RD pack comes, pop serenity and hope to kill them within one cycle? And if u play MP 8 and above and don't kill within one cycle, what you gonna do? run away and wait till serenity is being refreshed and fight again? Please, get some game time.

I rolled this monk so i could not just play my DH on high MP. It gets boring.
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lets get this straight:
does monsters continue to reflect damage when they are dead? i'm going to say no.

if i can kill an elite pack within a serenity cycle or 2, i'm sure someone with more than double my damage can do so better.

and um, i believe even high end geared monks still have serenity for one reason or another. having a skill available for usage and claims to not use it because apparently that makes your monk "serenity dependent" is just blatant arrogance. it's no different than rolling a barbarian and not war cry because it gives you free resist and armor and that is a huge advantage or call it an exploit if you will!

i mean, really, do you honestly think higher mp actually do require higher skill with your 6 buttons and 3 passives and i actually do need higher game time? you disappoint me man.

did things like getting higher LS (like some monks around here harp how it's a REQUIREMENT to have 5% LS or 2k LoH or something absurd.) or LoH or EHP (like how people mentioned earlier on getting more armor) occurred to you? i mean yea having earlier said "requirements" may seem absurd in low mp's, however maybe thats what high mp require and all you can do is getting it.

the game is a gear check, and gear comes with either game time, luck or mastercard. there is nothing skillful around it and having higher game time wouldn't change that. if you're gonna harp around that, i'm done with you.
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 20 2012, 02:28 AM)
lets get this straight:
does monsters continue to reflect damage when they are dead? i'm going to say no.

if i can kill an elite pack within a serenity cycle or 2, i'm sure someone with more than double my damage can do so better.

and um, i believe even high end geared monks still have serenity for one reason or another. having a skill available for usage and claims to not use it because apparently that makes your monk "serenity dependent" is just blatant arrogance. it's no different than rolling a barbarian and not war cry because it gives you free resist and armor and that is a huge advantage or call it an exploit if you will!

i mean, really, do you honestly think higher mp actually do require higher skill with your 6 buttons and 3 passives and i actually do need higher game time? you disappoint me man.

did things like getting higher LS (like some monks around here harp how it's a REQUIREMENT to have 5% LS or 2k LoH or something absurd.) or LoH or EHP (like how people mentioned earlier on getting more armor) occurred to you? i mean yea having earlier said "requirements" may seem absurd in low mp's, however maybe thats what high mp require and all you can do is getting it.

the game is a gear check, and gear comes with either game time, luck or mastercard. there is nothing skillful around it and having higher game time wouldn't change that. if you're gonna harp around that, i'm done with you.
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Who's talking about dead monsters doing RD? i'm talking during the fight. And it gets better. I'll quote here. Here goes.

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if i can kill an elite pack within a serenity cycle or 2, i'm sure someone with more than double my damage can do so better.

This is why you need more game time.

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having a skill available for usage and claims to not use it because apparently that makes your monk "serenity dependent" is just blatant arrogance.


I did not claim that i won't use it so don't put such words into my mouth. My point was i do not want to be like you popping serenity every time i encounter an elite pack. I'm new to my monk and i'm trying to get the figures on AR, LS, HP and Armor right.

More game time /= more skill. Never said that. I've always maintain that D3 requires close to zero skill to play. Just watch how the barbs play. Mashing buttons even when that skill is on cool down. When i say more game time, i meant by playing more, you'll get to understand the game better. For example, paranoid told me that 500 AR is enough but she said that base on how her monk is being geared. I geared exceeding that figure and realize 500 ain't enough. So this are the things that you'll only know by playing more. Not just theory crafting all the time.

oh so now you tell me to get more LS/EHP/LOH, what about your stupid idea of kiting? Dude, you've yet to play higher MP and have no idea how RD works on higher MP for players with higher DPS. So, don't tell me to kite. Again, i've a paragon level 86 DH and i know how important EHP is. I have a clear idea on how much EHP is needed for a DH but not so for a monk. Hence, i'm asking and the reply i got was to KITE. EPIC!

Stop milking the skill thing okay? Please. DOn't try to divert this to another direction. The main problem was when you started telling me to KITE. By saying that, it just shows how little you know.

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QUOTE(2890 @ Dec 20 2012, 02:50 AM)
Who's talking about dead monsters doing RD? i'm talking during the fight. And it gets better. I'll quote here. Here goes.
This is why you need more game time.
I did not claim that i won't use it so don't put such words into my mouth. My point was i do not want to be like you popping serenity every time i encounter an elite pack. I'm new to my monk and i'm trying to get the figures on AR, LS, HP and Armor right.

More game time /= more skill. Never said that. I've always maintain that D3 requires close to zero skill to play. Just watch how the barbs play. Mashing buttons even when that skill is on cool down. When i say more game time, i meant by playing more, you'll get to understand the game better. For example, paranoid told me that 500 AR is enough but she said that base on how her monk is being geared. I geared exceeding that figure and realize 500 ain't enough. So this are the things that you'll only know by playing more. Not just theory crafting all the time.

oh so now you tell me to get more LS/EHP/LOH, what about your stupid idea of kiting? Dude, you've yet to play higher MP and have no idea how RD works on higher MP for players with higher DPS. So, don't tell me to kite. Again, i've a paragon level 86 DH and i know how important EHP is. I have a clear idea on how much EHP is needed for a DH but not so for a monk. Hence, i'm asking and the reply i got was to KITE. EPIC!

Stop milking the skill thing okay? Please. DOn't try to divert this to another direction. The main problem was when you started telling me to KITE. By saying that, it just shows how little you know.
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i mean hell, you've never even seen me play and you already claim that i pop serenity every time i encounter an elite pack? why are you accusing me of putting words into your mouth when you're of no different?

hell, you're the one having problems with RD on mp5, not me. but since you can't get over your high horse of "play time" and "kite", then like i said, i'm done with you.

i believe other people can advise you just as well if not better than i am since they have way more play time than i am smile.gif
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post Dec 20 2012, 03:12 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 20 2012, 03:01 AM)
i mean hell, you've never even seen me play and you already claim that i pop serenity every time i encounter an elite pack? why are you accusing me of putting words into your mouth when you're of no different?

hell, you're the one having problems with RD on mp5, not me. but since you can't get over your high horse of "play time" and "kite", then like i said, i'm done with you.

i believe other people can advise you just as well if not better than i am since they have way more play time than i am smile.gif
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Now you start looking into the small matters eh. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

How am i putting words into your mouth again? Just because i assumed you pop serenity every time when you called me arrogant for not wanting to be serenity dependent. Wow, so i made a wrong assumption. Big deal.

Ofc u're not having problems with RD on MP5, u have 60k DPS.

High horse of "play time" ? Haha.. Quazacolt, c'mon you can do better than that. I've seen you doing better.

Kite? What about it? It was your brilliant idea anyways. How is it related to me again?

I'm done with you - EPIC COUNTER. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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i believe other people can advise you just as well if not better than i am since they have way more play time than i am smile.gif

Well, at least we agree on something since most of your responses since V2 (or since i started reading the monk thread) has been filled with sarcasm.
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post Dec 20 2012, 07:07 AM

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Imo try to up as ratio 10armor:1resist, and get another LS weapon is best option for you to facetank RD Elite on high MP.

Here as reference on my monk with passive STI, F.Floot, Combination facetank MP5 RD Elite.

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Dec 19 2012, 10:27 PM)
Tempest Rush: Northern Breeze?

Tailwind too fast to pick up gold? I should try it too.

Your pickup radius is incredible.

Health Link Elites is bug at the moment...

Thanks for the video...

I got something idea to improve my Tempest Rush now...
sometimes tailwind will move me outside my pickup range, thats why i use "slower" rune. But for max efficiency, tailwind wins hand downs.

If you notice I try as much as possible to make "contact" with the mob so that my TR will proc the cyclone. Cyclone is great utility to kill leftovers mob that havent died from your initial contact. That's why Cyclone is the most effective rune for SW.

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