hi guys,
for monk weapon, basically is shenlong sets good? Or just get yellow weapon with good stats + socket?
i see a lot of monks not using shenlong sets

Thx for ur explanation, ya, now i equiped WKL + Shenlong, attack so so only

I see.. Never know that wkl is eficient with black wep. Btw need to reconfirm. If i use FoT then + 20% lightning skill dmg  (wkl) + skull + soj + madstone + amulet in total 60% booster on the skill dmg.. Means i improve on the minimum dmg rite? The way i see this skill dmg come first before wepon dmg. Means even use cheap wepon my minimum dmg already boosted by the additional skill dmg  that already high.. 

Aduh. Salah la..

Won Kim Lau:
- Adds x% to lightning dmg -> (1)
- Lightning skills deals xx% more dmg -> (2)

Statement (2) gives you a xx% bonus to your FoT or SW: Cyclone skill. So whatever native numbers FoT has you add xx% onto it. SW:Cyclone is tricky.

The "xx% more damage on lighning skills" improves all skills that cause x% weapon damage as lightning. This improves all damage instances of FoT, including the additional aoe component of Thunderclap. Also, it improves the tornados spawned by Sweeping Wind/Cyclone. However, it does NOT improve Sweeping Wind's base damage, also it does not work for Seven-Sided Strike.

Now, statement (1) that goes to your NON ELEMENTAL range on your weapons. The highlighted red statement is inaccurate.

The "Adds x% to lightning damage" takes all your physical damage (and physical damage only) and adds 5% of that as lightning to your overall dps. So if you use a weapon with only physical damage, this acts as a flat 5% DPS increase. If your weapon however has any elemental damage instead (even if it is lighning damage) the elemental portion WILL NOT be increased, so you end up with a bonus less than 5%

p.s: +x% elemental bonus applies to rings or amulets with average damage range as well because that average damage range is being added to your weapon damage range as well. Which is why, at the moment, elemental weapons kinda suck. I hope there's some sort of buff coming soon. Instead of working on the meaningless PVP, is stuff like this that should be altered.

naw can. however i believe the snapshotting rule applies so the laid out arcane can be a bit dodgy sometimes (eg: if the resolve debuff is applied and arcane laid out even if the resolve debuff fades, it will still be the -20% dmg. however if arcane is laid out without debuff, and then you apply resolve debuff, no difference)

yeap definitely. maybe ill go find some imps at mp0 or something to play with lol

i'm sorry but The Fist of Az has a similar damage range compared to EF and it has stun on it. Once my monk hits 60. I'm using Fist of Az + WKL. (no one copy please    )

meaning that cannot 2 hand EF ? 

If this is the case, I think you need to change some of your gears/weapons and do without bloodthirst passive.

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Added on December 17, 2012, 2:59 pm
Fist of Az and Echoing Fury combo then. 
Stun will overcome the fear issue. And you get damage and speed. Best of both worlds.

WKL... I think it is a bit over-rated and over-priced.

The +0.2x AS only brings the EF to 1.4X since it is a mace. The FoA has 1.54 - 1.55 AS. So, speed wise FoA wins.

Well, a EF with OS + native crit is 500m and that is for a native crit of say 40-50 percent. Since i think monk prioritize AS and CC, i think EF with native crit is overrated.

Now, a 1.2k DPS FoA with OS is less than 100m here. 60-80 to be exact. Are u going to fork out 400mil more for a 1.1k DPS EF with 50CHD? Since it is a 1.1k DPS EF, the 50CHD has been overshadowed by the greater damage range of the FoA.

The only roll i feel EF shines is the LS roll with OS but again, stun ain't that bad.

I'm using 5%/25% bonus WKL on my OH.

Faster? In what? You mean attack speed? Like 2.76 attack speed per sec?

I'm using 5%/25% bonus WKL on my OH.

Faster? In what? You mean attack speed? Like 2.76 attack speed per sec?

Mine is 879DPS.

Yes, I agree it's comparable to 1.1K weapon.
FoA give you 1.2K to 1.3K weapon. Rares can give you the same range too.

I'm not saying WKL is not good. The point here is the price of WKL.
You can get better or alternative with the same or lower price.

(weapons that I mentioned are come with LS)

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Added on December 17, 2012, 3:21 pm
Yeah, I think the thread is made to find out who can kill Ghom fast.

FoA gives you stun which does not scale. TRUE. EF scales? NO. And you try to say +% elemental bonus on ammy scales then relate it to FoA. What's ur point?

p.s: FoA + WKL combination = high AS. EF + WKL combination = slightly higher AS. So? 3.0 AS and 3.2 AS, u won't notice much difference anyway.

p.s.s: Stun >>> Fear

ASI is additive so don't really matter bro. Like i said, monks with identical gears but one uses FoA and the other EF will have rather similar AS. Sure, the EF wins but the extra AS on it doesn't justify the fear and price tag. Just my two cents.

Yes, our understanding is the same actually. Additive and scaling works together.

But i'm looking at it from the gold side. 1.2k DPS FoA is at 1.55 AS and 1.2k DPS EF is at 1.44. Assuming both have sockets and the EF has either LS or native crit, the EF is going to be at least 1.5b where else the FoA, last i checked 100mil MAX.

Which brings us to ur scaling part, is that 0.2-0.3 extra AS worth 1.4b? No. But ofc, if u're rich by all means go ahead.

Any Sifus here equip WKL + Shenlong? Not good rite? or Shenlong + the socket weapon in offhand better?

lol.. Well, a gg WKL is still okay but EF price is just insane. So far the most i've spend is on my weapon and i don't think i can get a EF with that gold.

Are you an EF user? good gears you have?

oh yeah, TWH.. mannnnnn...

OIC, i got 2 pcs of Shenlong RA, no wonder cant put for both hand, thx for ur info, thx !!

back then when it was still vastly "underrated" and when everyone aren't picking up it's math yet, yeah sure (that's the time i bought my WKL for ~1mil anyways)

these days? naw... gg WKL is close, if not potentially even more expensive than a gg EF because it's so hard to get a perfect roll off it

...lightning skill 2% more damage scales in accordance with your total damage is king, 'nuff said.

Nah is 190-230m range la. Well, i hit jackpot few days ago. So now, can easily roll a new char no problem.

lol. 100m is jackpot to you? Nah, ammy went for 1.1 ish bil after tax. That's jackpot.

LS > LOH =D

i'll only bother about dmg range if it's on my main hand

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Added on December 19, 2012, 5:45 pm

lol