That is not important lah.

What's important is the far greater benefit of being a child of God.

You have God.

That is Everything.

Forgiving is one thing.

Prayer is another.

I don't know how many Churches actually pray for Malaysia well being during their prayer meeting.

Although my Church is relatively small compared to the big ones, we pray faithfully almost every meeting on our nation.

And I can testify the things that we seek and pray along with all the other Churches, has come to pass.

God has been graceful to answer our corporate prayer.

I believe, even this latest issue of using bahasa Bible will come to pass.

Is it not that we gave Caesar Najib what is due? Is it not that, we were oppressed but still pray for them? the Grace of God pours off them daily as off rock. Yet we still pray for them, the whole world does.

Without prayer, they could be doing an Iran on us Christians, and many many more horrible things to the citizens.

We do not ask for bumiputra statuses, we only ask for Justice, and the Divine Justice is of God, so is His Mercy. This is our Cross to bear, and so be it. Thy will be done.


if you can be a Doctor of the Soul for them, my thoughts and prayers are with you, bro.

Let me know your definition of 'power'.........

Going into a fenzy is not the power of the gospel.

The power of the gospel convicts sinners, and transforms lives..
The greatest manifestation of His power is when a sinner comes to know the Lord.
Thats the reason why angels rejoice....not when you have manifestations.

You dont need ecstacy for that. You need the power of the WORD and the conviction fo the HOLY SPIRIT.
Ecstacy is for the those who want a short jab. Thats why Ecatasy is also the name for a drug
used for short term highs......

A christian life is not about highs. Its about following and obeying the Master....inspite of lows.....
and walking in faith through the hearing of His word.


.....peace be with you too

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Jan 31 2013, 08:05 AM

Actually we shouldn't judge what other Churches are doing.

They have their own set of ministry.

The problem with Christians sometime is that if some churches don't adhere to the same practices as theirs, they get uncomfortable.

Manifestation of the Holy Spirit is very much least understood in the body of Christ but it's legit IMO.

Study the passage of Acts.



This is the very first occurrence of the manifestation of the Holy Spirit in the New Testament. When the Holy Spirit came upon all the people in the upper room, they spoke in tongues. The Jewish people from different countries in their vicinity could hear them. But Look at the last passage in verse 13. This is the revelation.

What does having too much wine associate with? The answer is drunkenness. They were drunk with the Holy Spirit. The Bible does not need to explicitly explain how the actions of those in the upper room were. But we all know how drunkard looks like. They are oblivious of themselves.

Looking at the videos posted by Z1000, it is consistent with Scripture.

If God is the one who imparts this style of manifestation, who are we to judge?

God Bless.

In the New Testament, there are some mysterious points that are easily missed by readers of the Bible. They are points that are difficult to grasp. For example, in the book of Ephesians Paul revealed the thought concerning the fullness of Christ as the Body of Christ, which is the church of Christ. When he spoke of the church, he said that it is the Body of Christ (Eph. 1:23). This is a very profound term. In chapter four of Ephesians, Paul used another profound word, “the fullness of Christ’’ (v. 13). He said that the fullness of Christ is the expression of Christ. This expression is fully a matter of the eternal and divine life of God.

In John 10:10 the Lord Jesus said that He came that the sheep may have life and have it more abundantly. Most Christians know that life is for salvation. Christ is our life for the purpose that we would be saved. Of course, there is nothing wrong in this realization. However, this is not enough. When Christ enters into us, not only is He life to us to save us, but He is also making us the church through this saving life.

The church is the Body of Christ. It is not an organization, but an organism. It is not a matter of outward things, but a matter of an inward life. The church can be compared to the human body. Outwardly speaking, the human body is composed of all the different organs and members. It may look like an organization. Actually, every part of the human body is a matter of life. Hence, the church is not an organization, but an organism. Look at my ten fingers. Not only is every finger joined to me; each one has an organic relationship with me. All of them have a circulation and a fellowship with the blood of the whole body. The whole body is a living organism that is full of the activities of life. The wooden stand before me is different. It is composed of pieces of wood as an organization; there is no life in them.

THE ORGANIC BODY OF CHRIST NEEDING THE GROWTH

The church is the Body of Christ. As the human body needs to grow, in the same way the Body of Christ needs to grow. In Ephesians 4, the word “growth,’’ “grown,” or “to grow’’ is used at least three times. First, Paul says, “Until we all arrive…at a full-grown man’’ (4:13). When a man is first born, his stature is very small. Day by day, he needs to grow, until he becomes a full-grown man. Since the church is the Body of Christ, it needs to grow day by day also. Following this, Paul says, “We may grow up into Him in all things, who is the Head, Christ’’ (4:15). After a Christian is saved, he is a person in Christ. But there are still many things not of Christ in him. For this reason, he has to give the Lord the ground in all things so that the Lord may grow in him.

Finally, we have “the growth of the Body’’ (4:16). The church is the Body of Christ. This body grows; it does not expand. Often we say that the church has expanded. Actually, this term is not that scriptural. The church does not expand; it should only grow. Something that has no life can be said to expand, but something with life should grow. When we speak of a nation, we can say that it expands. This is because a nation is an organization; it is not an organism. But when we speak of the church, we should speak of growth, because the church is the Body of Christ. It is organic, and not organizational.

Because the church needs the growth, and because we all have to arrive at a full-grown man, being full of the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, we need to know how the Body of Christ grows.

Oh i see... first, the website is not complete due to lack of resources... but... we have the information you requested. Google is our fren :-)
You can google this name: Timotius Arifin. He is like the founder of GBI ROCK. based in Bali, Indonesia. So, ROCK malaysia it's not independent 100%. It's like a branch... perhaps that's the best english i can say... branch... not independent.

If you ask how about our parent church do they have website ? unfortunately no. There is one but i think it's down. There are some "minor sites" but better google: Timotius Arifin.

Also: if you go to you tube or google "Timotius arifin" you will have plenty of uploaded material from his preaching, then you can help urself you with your concern:
1. doctrine of faith
2. faith statement.
3. etc..

e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ola61eKT5g

no-denomination = 1st century christianity. Reformation is to return to the 1st century christianity

we can do no wrong if we follow every words that Jesus spoke

refreshing to finally find this page where the brothers and sisters gather.
im still reading the pages. =)

im not a very fellowship kind of person in church, after service in church always cabut lari. dn know what to say to other believers.

here you can say your peace.

Welcome n

God Bless.

Welcome!

Interesting sites indeed... i think The Lord put in my heart: Let's write only when you have permission from Holy Spirit.

Can't hear holy spirit, don't worry. Use your faith. Just trust in The Lord.

If the Lord ask you to write boldly... then write...
If the Lord ask you to write article... then write...

If the Lord didn't lead you anything, and you think somebody is trolling in this kopitiam... remember... no leading from holy spirit means no action...

this is what prophetzul saying yesterday: submit and obey God day after day :-)

Have a blessed day bro n sis... Berjalan dalam ketepatan

Is Ketepatan = Kebenaran?

"I rejoiced greatly that I have found some of your children walking in truth ...."?

uh... don't really know what to say... perhaps in english is accuracy... but more on the heart attitude, not protocol oriented ... e.g. if holy spirit told you to replace ur PC, then we don't simply replace ur PC based on budget / current trend.

This can be a lead: Something like this: "Lord, do you have any preference what kind of PC you want me to buy ?" or perhaps you want me to just simply buy... or you want me to buy used one from lowyat ? or buy from mudah.com / lelong ?

u see that simple thing become "complicated" cuz we just loved to talk to him...

that's what i mean "Berjalan dalam ketetapan"

PS: back to case above... usually Lord will say whatever lah... thanks for talking to ME anyway... whatever you buy (in this case PC) i will bless ur work

This post has been edited by de1929: Jan 31 2013, 05:55 PM

while I agree, some denominations have taken it to the extreme point of this Charismatic Movement, the same problem which exists within the Faith Movement.

The Faith Movement encourages all of us, to rely on Faith in God alone, and is all within biblical statements. However, certain things like grandparents die of old age, sickness and their children rely on faith alone, to heal their grandparents on certain diseases. Certainly miracles do occur, where they became healthy, but at certain point of times, it is time for them to meet Our Creator. We simply have to trust in Gods will. When that happened, the children lost their faith, claiming God deserted them. And so they left Christianity..

I have been a part of Charismatic Movement and I enjoy it, so long as we do not leave out the context of the Bible, and proceed to an extreme of certain part, i.e Pentecostals on Acts of the Apostles, everything will be alright.

Faith sometimes demand us to sacrifice, to trust in His will totally.

All is nothing except God.

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This post has been edited by Z1000: Jan 31 2013, 10:56 PM

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TRUE PRAYER BEING A MINGLING OF GOD AND MAN IN THE SPIRIT

True prayer involves two parties—God and man. Such prayers are the issue of the Spirit of God being mingled with man’s spirit and of man’s spirit being mingled with the Spirit of God. When a man exercises his spirit to pray, he is praying with his spirit in God’s Spirit, or we can say that God’s Spirit is praying in his spirit. In such prayers it is difficult to differentiate whether man’s spirit is praying or God’s Spirit is praying, because man’s spirit and God’s Spirit are fully joined together. The human spirit and the divine Spirit are intimately joined during prayer. As we pray, God and man are joined together in the most thorough and perfect way. However, there are many prayers in which God and man are not joined together. These are prayers in which man is not praying in his spirit but rather praying by himself with his mind. These prayers are outside of God; they are merely human prayers in which God is not mingled with man. Prayer is absolutely a matter of God being mingled with man. Our prayers must be in the Spirit.

TRUE PRAYER BEING MAN’S RESPONSE TO GOD’S INITIATION

Since prayer is an expression of the union of God and man, no true prayer can be uttered without God’s initiation. If a prayer is not initiated by God, it is not genuine prayer. All those who truly know the meaning of prayer know that prayer is not merely a matter of God being mingled with man but a matter of God initiating something within man. Hence, when we pray, we must learn to be calm and not follow our thoughts. Instead, we should turn from our mind to our spirit and follow the sense within our spirit. In genuine prayer a person has a certain sense in his spirit even before he prays. This sense in the spirit is initiated by God’s Spirit within our spirit. When the Spirit of God mingles with our spirit, He initiates or suggests something in our spirit, which is not necessarily in the form of intelligible words. Many times it is merely a sense or a feeling in our spirit.

Therefore, when we pray, we must not only turn to our spirit, but we must also wait on God’s initiation. We should be calm and turn to our spirit. At the same time we should not be too quick to utter something. Rather, we should wait for God’s initiation and the sense in our spirit. Please remember that everyone who opens his mouth quickly speaks invariably from himself and from his own initiation. Whenever we pray, we must learn to turn to our spirit. Then we must learn to wait for God’s initiation. We should be calm and touch the sense in our spirit in order to pray according to that sense.

It seems theres a problem with De Luca

http://groupsects.wordpress.com/2009/06/01...om-heaven-hoax/

Seemed he prophesied over an equally false adulterous "prophet", Todd Bentley................


http://sheepyweepy.wordpress.com/category/prophecy-watch/




http://slaughteringthesheep.wordpress.com/...h-a-glory-bomb/

GOD'S GLORY and

Moses



Isaiah

bro, i can put 100 other ministers who have jewels appear when they minister. Tabernacle od David, Setapak already has diamond during David Herzog in 2008. I was there. A few other churches in malaysia also experience it. Worldwide a few hundred maybe thousand have experience it. Chill, if not of god it will stop. But of god it will multiply until no one can stop it.

Why am i not bothered diamonds or whatever appear before me?



If Deluca can treat the glory of GOD like a piece of play thing.................




Can you support this with scriptures?