wow thank you for sharing!

call me a rebel, but
I believe Holy Spirit guides us and teaches us, through private revelations for us, which brings us DEEPER INTO THE GOSPEL, but Revelations can be private through life experiences of a man, for example of Apostles.

Matthew 16:18 - Jesus established and protects His Church

Matthew 28:20 - Jesus promises to be with His Church always

John 16:13 - The Holy Spirit guides the Church into all truth

1 Timothy 3:15 - The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth

Matthew 18:17-18 - If someone refuses to listen to the Church cast him out

Matthew 28:18-20 - The Churches authority is Jesus' authority.

1 John 4:6 - Anyone who knows God listens to the Church

Luke 10:16 - He who rejects the Church rejects Christ

Matthew 16:19 - The Church has power to legislate

Acts 15:28 - Decisions of the Church are decisions of the Holy Spirit

60, 000 $$ question. 2 Thessalonians 2:15 and based on life accounts of the apostles, mainly the Preacher to the Gentiles, St Paul, also shows us that we must be obedient. Therefore when we rely on Holy Spirit, we also must remain within the Body, His Bride.

We should be humble, and obedient, and open ourselves fully to God. That is what I wanted to share..without discussions intended, bec it is not a general christian topic and I agreed with our bro unknown warrior not to pursue. (however I wish for a unity of denominations and Church)



I believe.

That is the primary way of getting in touch with God, someone who loves us so much thinking about us every second.

Prayer is the oxygen of my soul - St Padre Pio

Not only we can give thanks, praise and worship, whatever we ask, if according to His Will, will be given to us, and it always happens. God never disappointed me even once. He loves me, and us, even though we are sinners, and as I am a student, even though I could not preach like a pastor does (yet), even though I have little time to help others, prayer alone, is what God desires and makes us pleasing in His eyes.

i.e one of my life experiences: I remember once, He told me, prayer alone suffices, when I prayed for our beloved country Malaysia, esp of the political situations, and that to ask the Lord, look not upon our sins, but at the hunger and cold they suffer, and a voice in my head said: My Child, I will be merciful to them. Know that it is your prayer and the citizens of Malaysia that uphold the world (Malaysia).

God desires our prayers, bec our prayers changes the world, unbeknowingly to us, to other people. Without prayers, for example, our political ministers could fare worse, and would be more corrupt in their senses in ways we cannot imagine. That is why I believe, God says 'it is us who uphold the world', He is being merciful, and loving , as His Divinity is, flowing graces upon us, even though Hurtful as it is to Him, flowing off rock to certain people. Therefore, we should encourage each other to pray

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This post has been edited by Z1000: Jan 27 2013, 03:51 PM

Have A Blessed Sunday

Who you looking at?



A wrong perspective is to always look at ourselves for acceptance before God. Whether we have obeyed enough, read the bible enough, prayed enough. This is exactly what Israelite boasted they could have achieved before God at mount Sinai. That is why God step back and gave them the 10 commandments. Not as a channel for man to come to God but as a mean to bring Man to the end of himself. So that Man will give up trying.

What is the New Covenant way of perspective? Hebrews 12:2 give the exact answer. We are to look away from ourselves.

The Old testament way is focused on ourselves. Our effort of obedience or lack of it determined our reward or punishment.
The New testament way is to look at Jesus Christ for our acceptance before God. The more we look to Jesus with Faith, the more we are rewarded.

That is why even when we fail, we can still move on in life without condemnation because our acceptance before God the Father is Jesus Christ and his Finished work. (Romans 8:1 ) Not our self and our work in progress. When God look at us, He doesn't look to our works, what we have done to be accepted as righteous. If that is so, the Old testament 10 commandment would have still been in effect as a measuring rod as to how righteous you are. There is no need for Jesus to come.

God is reminded of Jesus when He sees us, every single time. That is why the Bible says our life is now hidden in Christ Jesus. (Colossians 3:3) God already knew when we will fail. It is redundant to keep on looking at our self when Jesus has died on your behalf. The right attitude to have when you fail, is to pick your focus up and focus towards Jesus and move on, forgetting what is behind. God is asking us to forget the past (Philippians 3:13) and forget about us. (Hebrews 12:2). Lets fix our eyes on the Son of God.

Why does God want to avert our focus away from our self to Jesus? The answer is because we have this tendency to fail. It's inevitable. The Law of the 10 commandments was designed in such a way, we would have failed no matter what. (Romans 7:7-23). There is no grace, no power in the flesh of Man to reach God. When I talk about flesh, I'm not referring to the physical flesh. But the carnal flesh of the Old Man. The Old nature. Our Sin nature. It would mean so much more if pastors of Churches would preach the beauty of Christ rather than the ugliness of Man as a focus and reason for repentance and motivation.

But What did Jesus says that warrants our attention on Him? John 16:33 says Jesus has overcome the world. Amen. That is more than enough to warrant all our focus and our attention, unto His Glory. The more you look to Jesus, the more you are transformed. The Bible says 2 things about transformation. One we are transformed into his likeness by beholding his glory (2 Corinthians 3:18) and Two we are transformed by the renewal of our mind. (Romans 12:2) Both are referring to change of perception. Beholding is perception. Renewal in the mind is perception. No where in the Bible that says we are transformed by our doing (effort). This is where the Church has missed it.

So the next time when you fall from grace, turn yourself around and ask, since when it's your obedience that matters? The Devil would love to have you focus on yourself and your obedience as a measuring yardstick. Because if he can convince you for that, It will be easy picking for him to attack you with guilt and condemnation. God wants you to focus on Jesus as your true self so that the Devil will have no say. Why? Because in Romans 8:33 (NIV) it says; Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies.

I hope this devotion will bless you and help you in your life with God.

God Bless.

Hellow bro n sis...

It's a calling to grow n expand by Grace of Christ. :-)

The church that i attend regularly needs some people:
1. minister, music minister. please pm me if you are willing to minister. church location in sunway, near sunway pyramid. 5 minutes drives imho if not jammed. If you need "help" and you can help us with your music talent, i can "happily" discuss with you. "If you know what i mean. let Holy Spirit enlighten if you are the one".
2. minister, prophetic minister. Kindly be advised that this is indonesian church. But Imho, our Lord guide us "means me n the church, not the whole christian in malaysia" to sharpen our prophetic gift. Therefore this is a calling for bro and sis who think that at their current church they cannot grow cuz some church are not called to put 1st priority in prophetic calling, give me a pm.
3. Anybody that simply wants to grow a church. Our church still say... uhm... 20 people :-) so if u just like challenge or simply Our Lord Called you to "move on son / daugher / kiddo... " then ur call perhaps is to grow with us :-)

Well enough talking... pm me for private discussion, ur you can reply this thread. thx moderator :-)

This is the church.
www.rockmalaysia.org.

In His Grace,
de1929.

This post has been edited by de1929: Jan 28 2013, 08:19 PM

Hi Bro, I think your website not complete yet.
Was trying to read what you guys believe in. I mean your doctrine of Faith, Faith Statement.

Peace.

Bro UW.

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This post has been edited by Z1000: Feb 1 2013, 03:54 AM

wow real manifestation... i think i will come... I will check with Holy Spirit if i should be there, which church, which service, my style is "berjalan dalam ketepatan"... i think in english meaning to walk precisely with high precision, susah nak translate lol

The Riches of the Triune God Overflowing in the Flesh to Become the Fullness of Christ as the Embodiment of the Triune God— John 1:14, 16

There are two terms in the Bible that are very difficult to understand. One of them is the riches of Christ, and the other is the fullness of Christ. The two words are different from one another, but there is a relation between the two. The riches produce the fullness, and the fullness comes out of the riches. When something is rich, it becomes full. The fullness is the expression of the riches. Without the riches, there can never be the fullness. When something becomes rich to the uttermost, there is the fullness. For example, here are two cups, both filled with water. The water in them may be very rich, but the cups are not full yet. If we continue to add water into them until they overflow, we will see the fullness.

All of what Christ is are His riches. When these riches come into us and overflow from us, they are the fullness. John 1:14 says, “And the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us…full of grace and reality.’’ Not only are the grace and reality rich; they are full. Most people think that to be full of something is the same as to be rich in that thing. Actually, there is a distinction between being rich and being full. Fullness means more than riches. For example, the cup on my right hand is rich, but we do not see its riches. The cup on my left hand, however, the overflowing cup, has the fullness, and everyone can see it.

When God became flesh, the grace that He brought was not only rich, but it was full. It was not only rich within, but it was full to overflowing. Hence, John 1:16 says, “For of His fullness we have all received.’’ Hence, when you pray, you should not say, “Lord, of Your rich grace we have received.’’ Rather, you should say, “Lord, of Your fullness in grace we have received.’’ Riches are what is hidden within, and fullness is what is flowed out. Riches are abundant, but not abundant enough. Fullness is abundance upon abundance, to the extent that there is an overflow.

What then are riches? Riches are simply what the Lord Jesus is. All that the Lord Jesus is are His riches. He is God. He is also man. He is light and love. He is holiness and righteousness. He is forbearance and patience. He is everything. That is why He is called the “I Am.’’ He is everything positive. He is the noble and the lowly. He is the length and the breadth. Hence, He is rich in what He is. What then is fullness? When the riches of the Lord are expressed, that is, when all that the Lord is overflows from us, the riches become the fullness.

The Riches of God Overflowing in Christ to Become the Fullness of Christ as God’s Expression; the Believers Having Received of this Fullness of Christ the Rich Grace—John 1:16

God’s riches are riches when they are in Christ; they become the fullness when they come to us. He is the Christ, and we are the church. For Christ it is the riches; for us it is the fullness. For example, the water in these two cups is identical; but in one cup, it is the riches, and in the other cup, when the water flows out, it is the fullness. It is Christ who is rich, and it is the church that is full. These two are actually one. Riches are hidden within, and fullness is expressed without. What is hidden within is Christ. What is expressed without is the church. Hence, the church is the expression of Christ. The expression of Christ is the fullness of Christ. His fullness issues forth from His riches. When it is hidden in Him, it is the riches. When it is expressed in us, it is the fullness. When we speak of riches, we refer to Christ. When we speak of fullness, we refer to the church. For the riches to become the fullness means for Christ to become the church. Riches and fullness, therefore, refer to Christ and the church.

The New Testament also shows us that the source of these riches is God. One day, this God became flesh and came among men. He is God, yet He expressed all His riches item by item in the human flesh. What was expressed was His fullness. In God they are the riches. In Christ when they are expressed, they are the fullness. The Jews received grace from God. We the Christians today receive grace from Christ. The Jews worshipped God for His riches. We the Christians today worship in Christ in order to gain His fullness.

God is the Word. When this God became flesh, He was full of grace and reality. It was not that He was rich in these things, but that He was full of these things. In God they are the riches. When they reach Christ, they become the fullness. Hence, it is not a matter that we receive of His riches. Rather, we receive of His fullness. Today, we do not receive grace directly from God. Rather, we receive God’s grace in Christ. Furthermore, the grace that we talk about is not God’s direct grace, but His grace in Christ. Hence, this grace is not merely rich; it is also full. It is not merely grace, but grace upon grace.

Christ is in the riches of God. When the riches of God become the fullness, that is the church. Hence, the church is not something of God’s riches. The church is something of Christ’s fullness. In God’s riches there is no church yet. It is only when we come to the fullness of Christ that we have the church. This shows us that the riches are Christ, and the fullness is the church.

Most 'powerful'?

The most powerful is one who can submit and obey God day after day......without manifestations.

We gather in this renewal gathering for deep soaking in the Holy Spirit who is the source of revival and for grace-based teachings (see Acts 1:5, 2:4; Ephesians 5:18-21).

Is that true that christian chinese and christian indian (malaysian citizen) are not allowed to have bumiputera status ? therefore you guys cannot have bumiputera priveleges and discounts such us buying home for bumi lot ?

I am born again foreigner. sorry if i asked noob question. tqvm

I guess it is a known fact ... Ya

For me it's not important.

What's more important is to know better benefits that are found in Christ that affects our everyday life here.

I agree. Miracles should NOT be priority. Because to live another day = blessing and miracle itself. We should look forward to putting more faith in God, and to not squander His blessings and graces.

oo ic then probably I have the prophetic messages for bro n sis here, who are malaysian citizen but chinese / indian ethnics. And you cannot have bumi privileges statuses.

You need to forgive your government kerajaan malaysia so healing can start pouring out this this land. I know it's not fair and i can't help to make it fair either. i am a foreigner.

Start forgiving this land bro n sis... you can dooo itttt :-)

The present governments in the whole will end at Christ's coming

Let's hasten His coming by building up the church

This post has been edited by pehkay: Jan 30 2013, 05:08 PM

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This post has been edited by Z1000: Feb 1 2013, 03:55 AM

I think that prophet jul is coming from church with strong character development emphasis, therefore your statement seems inappropriate. That kind of church, the more u briddle your tounge, the better. Be wiser is something like revelation and having mind like christ is one of the virtue.

But for you and me, we are more focusing on power / manifestation. Hi Z1000... perhaps we can go to hospital and heal the sick sometimes. and minister to the ones that really2x need fast-and-furios solutions, not protocol ones...

My church needs both type of person like Z1000 and prophet zul hahahhaha ....

Let the Holy spirit unite us so we can finish our part strong... don't be too encapsulated with certain mindset... unite..unite..unite... let our spirit/mind be united where ever we are...

unite it does not mean you are not going to other church, its more on the heart attitude

as long as we are not malays or orang asli, we are not bumiputera. but the government is giving the status to many muslims, including chinese muslims, foreign muslims and all.