When u receive your reward (heaven) for being good christian please tell Jesus you want to go to hell bcoz you want to humble and poor. Thank you, very much. God Bless.

There you go again, avoiding answering a simple question. Look Ahn3hn3h, you may not know me but I teach Bible in my Church, I know what you're trying to say about Jesus relating to this. I know, believe me. Pls at least give me this benefit of doubt. And,

I know that blessings is not confined to material wealth but the reason why I zero in on it is because it flex out the religious response from people.
And I intend to tackle this and preach it until Christians understands it.

Here's something that you may have not thought of,

Jesus the one who was persecuted, beaten, temporary stripped of his glory while on earth is the one who blessed those men with material wealth.
Jesus is the one who gave it to them.
So answer me now, if this part of blessing is frowned upon, why did our humble Lord did it?


That is not the point about tithing. If you value your money so much that,
If you think you tithe to sustain a Church, your whole entire principal of the reason is already wrong.
Sigh, you have this problem of pride in money.

Kong Hee? There you go again, trying to take the place of God to judge.

Sigh.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Sep 1 2013, 02:21 AM

As UW, pointed out, on that matter we are not to judge, and we do not know the whole story as you and me are not even the members of the church, i decline to say anything about it...........i do discuss this matter with my friend before he said this back to me "who are you to judge?"

Judgement belong to God solely, and the case is still ongoing in the court who know if he really guilty or not?

If you feel disturbed on this matter, pray to God for guidance

Because it is?

Everything in Heaven & Earth belongs to God.

The cattle, silver and gold.

Haggai 2:8 (NIV)
The silver is mine and the gold is mine,' declares the LORD Almighty.

Psalm 50:10
for every animal of the forest is mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills.

Proverbs 3:9–10(NIV)
Honor the Lord with your possessions, and with the firstfruits of all your increase; so your barns will be filled with plenty, and your vats will overflow with new wine


If you have, it's a blessing from God.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Sep 1 2013, 02:44 AM

Because they were hungry?

Do you know the significance of this?

Why it happened?

Quoting both combined OT and NT

Luke 9:3-5 (NKJV)

3 And He said to them, “Take nothing for the journey, neither staffs nor bag nor bread nor money; and do not have two tunics apiece.

4 “Whatever house you enter, stay there, and from there depart. 5 And whoever will not receive you, when you go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet as a testimony against them.”

Luke 6:20-26 (NKJV)

20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.

21 Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh.

22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.

24 But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.

25 Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.

26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

When you reflect the word of Christ, you'll see that his teachings double up on wisdom taught in the OT. Which is what Jesus meant when he told his disciples that his purpose of coming to this world.

Ecclesiastes 6:2 (NKJV)

2 A man to whom God has given riches and wealth and honor, so that he lacks nothing for himself of all he desires; yet God does not give him power to eat of it, but a foreigner consumes it. This is vanity, and it is an evil affliction.

In world language wealth is attained by excess abundance and greed with no boundaries. When I see a very rich and glamourous pastor come and preach in front of me with all the money wealth talk, I don't see the image of Jesus(ways of Christ) reflected in him. Thus my faith in Christianity fades. This also applies to outsiders who look for Christ for salvation among the church leaders and supposed disciples of Christ.

No one is judging anyone here. Wisdom is the ability to discern false prophets.

I thank God that he gave me the ability to discern the true motives and intentions of those who preaches in church. Amen

Luke 12:57 (NKJV)

57 “Yes, and why, even of yourselves, do you not judge what is right?

Hosea 4:6 (NKJV)

6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.
Because you have rejected knowledge,
I also will reject you from being priest for Me;
Because you have forgotten the law of your God,
I also will forget your children.

Isaiah 11:2-3 (NKJV)

2 The Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon Him,
The Spirit of wisdom and understanding,
The Spirit of counsel and might,
The Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord.

3 His delight is in the fear of the Lord,
And He shall not judge by the sight of His eyes,
Nor decide by the hearing of His ears;

gold are object and useless cannot fulfill people
food and drink are our main object

if that so, do refrain from speaking about it in the public for by doing so it make you look like a desperate person who is having a personal grudges against the said person instead pray to the Lord for the pastor to repent, whatever he did in the church that is not your concern, it's the members of that church to decide............you can only pray

while i am at it, you should listen to sermon of pastor Nick Vujicic live right now at DUMC.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/dumcmy

No I do not personally judge anyone openly in public and hold any grudges against anyone. If there's anything amidst in someone's preachings and sermons, I'll just refrain from attending future talks by him.

Afterall why would I want to spoil someone's rice bowl?

Many churches today way of worship may not be good for most of us, but know this that they serve only 1 God that is Jesus Christ

Dear Ahn3hn3h,

Jesus Christ our Lord was with the Father before the beginning of time.
The whole entire Bible was inspired by Him imparted to the writers through the Holy Spirit.

The same Jesus Christ who said;

Take nothing for the journey, neither staffs nor bag nor bread nor money; and do not have two tunics apiece.(Luke 9:3)
And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.(Luke 6:20)
But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.(Luke 6:24)
A man to whom God has given riches and wealth and honor, so that he lacks nothing for himself of all he desires; yet God does not give him power to eat of it, but a foreigner consumes it. This is vanity, and it is an evil affliction.(Ecclesiastes 6:2)

also said these;

Proverbs 3:9–10(NIV)
Honor the Lord with your possessions, and with the firstfruits of all your increase; so your barns will be filled with plenty, and your vats will overflow with new wine.

Psalm 144:13
Our barns will be filled with every kind of provision. Our sheep will increase by thousands, by tens of thousands in our fields;

Proverbs 11:25
A generous person will prosper; whoever refreshes others will be refreshed.

Isaiah 30:23
He will also send you rain for the seed you sow in the ground, and the food that comes from the land will be rich and plentiful. In that day your cattle will graze in broad meadows.

Deuteronomy 8:18
But remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth, and so confirms his covenant, which he swore to your ancestors, as it is today.

Malachi 3:10
Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it.

Proverbs 10:22
The blessing of the LORD brings wealth, without painful toil for it.

and did these

Genesis 13:2
Abram had become very wealthy in livestock and in silver and gold.

Job 1:3
and he owned seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, five hundred yoke of oxen and five hundred donkeys, and had a large number of servants. He was the greatest man among all the people of the East.

Job 42:10
After Job had prayed for his friends, the LORD restored his fortunes and gave him twice as much as he had before.

Genesis 39:2
The LORD was with Joseph so that he prospered, and he lived in the house of his Egyptian master.

Because if we were to go with your line of understanding and reasoning, then truly,
God is cruel to have blessed Joseph, Abraham, David, Solomon, Job with Material wealth etc
All of them must have not been with God, if you were to see them surely your faith will shrink.
God should have not included them in the Bible because it would have send the wrong messages.

Before you get angry, Stop.

Use Wisdom to think why I pull put everything in the Bible and yet include yours together with it.
I'm not even trying to hide what you quoted.

Yeah, before you repeat again by saying Jesus is greater than any Man, yeah I agree.
But I question you which you failed to understand and answer.

This Jesus who IS greater than any men blessed all those mentioned examples with abundance and also gave his providence promises as I
highlighted above.

This is the same Jesus who said woe to you who are rich.

You don't know and don't understand right?

Well are you willing to admit you don't know so that I can start explaining or do you want to continue playing this game? I can play no problem.

So how many Churches have you encountered that has false prophets?
You seem the give the impression as if you have met a lot in this country.

BTW Hosea is talking about knowing his word because his word is wisdom, knowledge, his word is his spirit.
So in another meaning it's saying to know God. Israelites rejected God's law which brought them their destruction.
The same Israel who boasted at Mount Sinai, All that the Lord says we will do. The irony.
It has nothing to do with false prophet.

Isaiah 11 is talking about prophecy of Jesus Christ.
All that Jesus is, the divine power of God is in Him.
Erm, hows that related to false prophet?

This is the right thing to do.
You are blessed in this wisdom of what you just said.

But yet here you are doing the opposite in a forum.
You may have not name specific name other than Kong Hee's church
but I notice most of your post revolves around conspiracy and negative
materials.

Why not have stronger faith in your life?
Believe that Jesus will protect you from all harm and danger of life.
BE restful in your heart.

Because when you are at rest in Him, all these conspiracy and negative materials will not bother you one bit.



This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Sep 2 2013, 02:35 AM

I have nearly forgotten.

People can believe and rely on Gold "is an object" to exchange for food and other materials to full fill our life and yet they can't believe that our Lord Jesus Christ (The Almighty One) can full fill everything we needs.

This post has been edited by skydrake: Sep 2 2013, 10:54 AM

That is what I am about to explain to Ahn3hn3h.

I believe many and I really believe many Christians don't have the Faith that God can provide everything.

They rather trust in their university degree, their skill, their ideas, their own strength.

When it comes to tithing, very hard for them to part their money.

You know why? A lot of excuses.

but the core problem is always lack of trust in God to provide.

I say this very straightforward, no excuse.

Who can take up this challenge and prove me wrong?

Not many.

i dun understand what you say

can explain, and i will provide my answer to you and them

later evening, gtg out.

what does CCC stand for? and where?

This post has been edited by vincabby: Sep 2 2013, 02:17 PM