Abraham lied about his wife - Fear
David Killed Bersheba husband - lust
Soloman many wives - lust

All these is to prove 2 things

1. No one could obey the 10 commandments perfectly.
2. It has nothing to do with abundance or money.

Just a simple question. You think a poor man can afford poligamy and comitting adultery?

Yes. I don't want to mention what race but you should get the idea.

I have yet seen a poor man who could afford a Playboy lifestyle.

It has nothing do with being poor, lust can drive a man do crazy things, like pretending to be a rich man just to con somebody.

So stop relating abundance with greed and selfishness in generalization.

Here's another thing to prove you wrong.

Read how Solomon rebuilt God's temple, how many layers and how many hundreds of talents of Gold used.


That is why I say, most of you don't understand How God wants you to approach prosperity.

I never say you should pursue prosperity. Did I ever say anything like that?

I believe not many of you understand my point.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Sep 4 2013, 12:22 AM

God knows our needs.




God promise to give it to us, He didn't say He will withheld.



We are to pursue God. Not pursue these abundance.


But why am I so defiant and making a stance in so many pages?

Because I want you to know, God wants to give our needs. And He IS able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think.

It only comes the moment you stop worrying about your life, stop pursuing wealth, be content and responsible, honest and trust-worthy.

oh boy~ argument between poor and rich to prosperity again. guys, there may be different viewing points.

Poor, does not means only pointing to people that have no money. here is few points from wiki.
Poor is an adjective related to a state of poverty, low quality or pity. let's talk on the closest one, poverty!



It really depends on country and places we live in, we can't just compare apple and orange. u need to compare apple to apple.

This post has been edited by skydrake: Sep 4 2013, 10:54 AM

Everybody have different view points.

That is why Jesus gave each one according to their Faith.

Centurion & the woman had different kind of Faith, the crowd had different kind of faith, the rule of the synagogue, the teachers, etc.

Not everyone received from Jesus even though He was surrounded by so many people.

Only those who are willing to believe and reach out to Him.

Wow, u sleep so late still can manage to wake up early.

I agreed what said and a bit add on from me here below.
When we willing to believe and reach out to Him (Jesus Christ). Everything will change. Especially viewing points.

This post has been edited by skydrake: Sep 4 2013, 11:19 AM

seconded! haha..though for everyone's note..let's keep the discussions in here with a heart to teach and not condemn..to bring in more understanding and not to incite hate among one another. always enjoyed reading up on the replies and understandings of everyone here. Have a good Thursday!

John - 6th case - introduction

In the sixth case, we have the need of the thirsty. This case is in contrast with the fifth case, the need of the hungry. In the previous case the Lord is clearly revealed as the bread of life to satisfy our hunger, but in this case the Lord brings the flow of living water to quench our thirst. In the fifth case the people are hungry, but in the sixth case they are thirsty. The fifth case presents the living bread, and the sixth case introduces the living water. The bread of life is for hungry people, and the rivers of living water are for thirsty people. For the thirsty, Christ is the quenching life. He is the very life that is able to quench man’s thirst.

The thought that the Lord is our food and water is seen throughout the Scriptures. For example, in Genesis 2 the tree of life is a picture of the Lord as our life supply of food. Beside the tree of life in Genesis 2 there is the river of water, which is a portrait of the Lord bringing us the rivers of living water. In other words, this pictures the Lord’s purpose in the creation of man is that man must eat and drink. If he fails to eat, he will become hungry, and if he fails to drink, he will become thirsty. The Lord is the food to satisfy our hunger, and He has the living water to quench our thirst.

Later in the Scriptures, the children of Israel, as they traveled through the wilderness, also had both food and water. On the one hand, they had the manna from heaven as their daily food (Exo. 16:14-15); on the other hand, they had the living water flowing from the smitten rock to quench their thirst (Exo. 17:6).

In the Gospel of John, the Lord also is the living bread and He offers the living water to satisfy the hunger and the thirst of the multitude. The Father, the Son, and the Spirit, the three Persons of the Triune God, are very much related to this matter of food and water. God the Father is the source, God the Son is the food, and God the Spirit is the drink. The first Person of the Triune God is the source of the second Person as the food, from whom the third Person flows out as the drink.

First Corinthians 10:3-4 also points out these two things. There, Christ Himself is the spiritual food and He is the smitten rock from which flows the spiritual drink. The Holy Spirit is the spiritual drink flowing out of the crucified Christ. Therefore, Christ is our food, and the Holy Spirit who flows out of Christ is our drink.

Finally, we come to the end of the Scriptures, where we see the New Jerusalem. Again, the flow of the living water is the Holy Spirit, and the tree of life growing in the flow is Christ (Rev. 22:1-2). Hence, there is a line running throughout the whole Scriptures showing us that Christ is our spiritual food, that the Holy Spirit is our spiritual drink, and that man needs both to eat and to drink in order to satisfy his hunger and thirst.

The Gospel of John is a book of pictures. The writer used figures and pictures as well as plain words because the matters of life are too deep, profound, mysterious, and abstract. If John had only used plain words, it would have been difficult for people to probe into the riches. So John, under God’s inspiration, used various pictures. In chapter four we have a picture of a thirsty Savior and a thirsty sinner meeting at Jacob’s well. In chapter five we see a multitude of sick, blind, lame, and withered people waiting by a pool. In chapter six we see a wilderness, a mountain, and a stormy sea. On the sea is a boat, tossed to and fro, and the people in the boat are terrified. Suddenly a man comes to them walking upon the waves. This is the man who fed the hungry crowd with five loaves and two fishes. In chapter seven we see still another picture.

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John - 6th Case -THE SCENE OF THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES (chapter seven)

In Contrast with the Scene of the Feast of the Passover in Chapter Six

The sixth case is a continuation of the fifth case, because the matter of food is related to water. Here, there is also another contrast. In the scene of the fifth case, there was the feast of the Passover. In the scene of this case in chapter seven, there is the feast of Tabernacles. The feast of the Passover is the first of the annual Jewish feasts, and the feast of Tabernacles is the last (Lev. 23:5, 34).

The feast of the Passover, as the first feast of the year, implies the beginning of man’s life (cf. Exo. 12:2-3, 6), which involves man’s seeking for satisfaction and results in man’s hunger. The feast of Tabernacles, as the last feast of the year, implies the completion and success of man’s life (cf. Exo. 23:16), which will end and result in man’s thirst. In the scene of the feast of the Passover, the Lord presented Himself as the bread of life, which satisfies man’s hunger. In the scene of the feast of Tabernacles, the Lord promised that He would flow forth the living water, which quenches man’s thirst.

The feast of the Passover occurred early in the year, when the people were working and laboring hard. The case of the feeding of the five thousand finds the people working to fill their hunger, but failing to be satisfied. They labored, they worked, they sought something to satisfy, but they failed. The feast of Tabernacles, on the contrary, occurred at a time when the harvest was over. The people had reaped the corn and the wine (Deut. 16:13-14). Everything of the harvest had been reaped, and the people were to come together at the feast of Tabernacles and enjoy everything with their families and even with their servants. We must realize that during the feast of Tabernacles the people do not labor because the work is over, the crop has been reaped, and the corn and wine have been harvested. That was the time to rejoice in their enjoyment—but they were still thirsty![ The sixth case reveals that their thirst was not quenched even by their success.

If you read the verses concerning the Passover in Exodus 12, you will see that the Passover indicates or implies the beginning of life. The Passover, of course, is for salvation. When we were saved, we had a new start. The Passover was always in the first month of the year. Hence, it marked a new beginning. In a sense, all of the young people are in the Passover, for their life has just begun and they have many high expectations. Although perhaps you have not yet graduated from college, you expect that after graduation you will be a professor, doctor, or attorney. This is the feast of the Passover. We have already seen that the feast of the Passover always ends in hunger. After your graduation there will be nothing but hunger. The higher position you attain in your profession, the more hunger you feel. The more money you earn, the more dissatisfied you will be. In John 6, the feast of the Passover, as the initial step in life, ends in hunger.

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Everyday Bible verses with UW

Is God angry all the time?



Every where that Jesus goes, Huge crowd follows him. The Bible gave many accounts, where ever He is, the crowd is so large, there's not much room.
At one time, the crowd got so huge, people was pushing each other just to see Him and Jesus had to get into a boat to preach by the lake.
It seems there's something about Jesus that attracts people to him.

It's not like how some people preach God. That God is angry all the time. That God is out to get you, waiting for you to sin and punish you.
That God wants his people to be stern and unforgiving towards other sinners as a mark of holiness.
Somehow this fallacious believe has crept into the minds of the world, the idea of who God is which IS erroneous.

An angry God who is out to get you will only push people away out of fear.
And the people who accept this wrong believe of an angry god will likewise believes wrong ideals That to be angry at people, is being holy.

The Jesus that I read in the Bible draw and attract people to him, not the opposite.

The Bible says Jesus is the exact representation of the Father. (Hebrews 1:3)
If that is the case why I don't see an angry God in Jesus? Because Jesus is Jesus, God the Father is God the Father?
No. Hebrews 1:3 says very clearly. Jesus is the exact representation of his being. (NIV). (NLT) says like this. Jesus expresses the very character of God.

Well, paderi UW, why then in the OT, God seems to be angry all the time? I'll tell you why. It's because you don't understand what makes him angry.
If you knew the actual reason, you will, like me, be so awed, you'll bow down and worship God for the good God that He is.

Listen, If God is out to get you, angry at you and waiting to punish you when you sin, it will be redundant for God to send Jesus to die for you.
Do you hear me?

That speaks the volume of God's love for you and I.

Jesus himself said.

Mark 2:17
On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Jesus came for people who have much demerits in their life. The prostitutes, killers, murderers, tax collectors, the lame, the blind, the social outcasts, the lonely people, the down and out, people who don't know hope, people who are looking for a way out, people who are hurting, people who have no love, people who have problems, people who are looking for salvation in this life and the next.

So there goes the erroneous idea that God hates sinners and is angry at them all the time.

Jesus CAME to look/to seek for people like this.

So rejoice if you're in this group of demerits. You have the hope of Salvation while you're still alive. All you need to do is reach out to him.
Like all the people in the Bible who touched Jesus or reached out to him, ALL of them were healed and delivered of their problems. They were made whole and complete.

In of yourself, you will have no strength to change. But when you reach out for God's strength, his power CAN and WILL change you so that sin will have no hold or power over you. That is what God wants for your life.

If your heart have been crying out in pain, reach out to this gentle and humble God who WILL lift up your burdens and heal your broken heart.

His name is Christ Jesus.

God Bless.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Sep 7 2013, 04:22 PM

Who is in Singapore or going there?





excerpt....

Today, many Christians see the rapid erosion of biblical authority in the name of ‘science’, but are afraid of taking a stand. They often feel intimidated by aggressive atheists, and even by theologians often seeking to justify the liberties they have taken with God’s Word. They are unaware of the huge amount of evidence, especially surfacing recently, supporting what Paul and the Lord Jesus took for granted—that Genesis is real history.

It’s for unbelievers, too...
Our next printed newsletter will share the story of how a similar conference in Australia led to the conversion of a sceptical young Singaporean biological PhD student.

UW, heard pastor Don is coming to Malaysia once again after his last concert more than 20 year ago...........any info?

Don Moen?

yeah

No official news yet.

Nearest news,

He came to Singapore in 11th of July 2013.

John - 6th Case

THE SCENE OF THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES

Signifying the Completion and Success of Life with Its Enjoyment in a Religious Way

After the full harvest of their crops, the Jewish people observed the feast of Tabernacles to enjoy what they had reaped in the worship of God (Exo. 23:16; Deut. 16:13-15). Hence, this feast signifies the completion, achievement, and success of man’s career, study, and other matters of human life, including religion, with the joy and enjoyment thereof. Thus, the feast of Tabernacles implies the completion of your job, achievement, and career. Although you may be successful in your occupation or career, you must realize that it will all issue in thirst.

Eventually, after working your entire life, you will be thirsty, because everything has a last day. Everything ends. The last day is always a great day. After people attain a certain success, other people will give them a memorial day. A person’s memorial day is always his last day. It is the end, and the end is empty. It results in thirst. In John 6 we have the beginning of life, which results in hunger; in John 7 we have the success and completion of life, which end in thirst. The previous case sets forth the people laboring, working, seeking, and striving to find something to satisfy their hunger, but they fail to get it. This case sets forth the people already having everything they need, but they find that it does not quench their thirst. They have obtained everything; they have enjoyed everything. But with all of their success, with all of their gain, even with all of the things connected with their feasts-their religion and their temple—their thirst cannot be quenched. Therefore, these two cases compare those who are working with those who are resting. Nevertheless, regardless of whether you are working or resting, you cannot fill your hunger or quench your thirst.

However, the Lord is the food to the people who labor and He will afford living water to those who rest. Actually, humanity exists in only one of two conditions. One is that because they lack something they must seek, work, strive, and labor; the other is that because they have everything they may rejoice and enjoy their riches. In other words, at first you find that you do not have anything; therefore, you must work and labor hard. For example, perhaps you are in the first year of college and you have to labor over your studies. This is like the feast of the Passover. After you have graduated and received your degree and have an excellent occupation, you are rich. This is like the feast of Tabernacles because the work and labor are over. Now you are at rest and are in the position to rejoice and enjoy the benefits of your labor.

Which feast are you attending—the feast of the Passover or the feast of Tabernacles? Regardless of which feast you are attending, you are still hungry or thirsty. Whether you are in a poor or rich condition, whether you are in a state of poverty or plenty, you will realize that you are either hungry or thirsty.

Perhaps as a young person you are considering marriage. This reveals that you are hungry for a wife, hungry for a helpmate, hungry for a family and children. Even if you have marry the best wife, have the best children, and possess the best of everything, you will eventually be seventy or eighty years old. That will be your feast of Tabernacles in which you will rejoice in everything and enjoy everything. At that time, you will discover that nothing has been able to quench your thirst. At the Passover, you were hungry, but after the feast of Tabernacles, you were still thirsty. When you made out your application for college, you were hungry, but after your graduation, you were still thirsty. When you were first married, you were hungry, but now, after you are married, you sense that you are still thirsty.

If you see the thought concerning these two feasts, you will see the two phases of man’s condition and the two aspects of Christ as our supply of life. On one hand, He is the bread of life while we are laboring; on the other hand, He supplies us with the living water while we are resting. Once you see this thought, you will understand the whole of John 7. Although it is a long chapter, it is brief in thought. The thought is that when you have succeeded in all of your achievements, when you have enjoyed all of your possessions, when you have rejoiced in all of your best circumstances, you will then realize that your thirst has not been quenched. Nothing is adequate to quench your thirst. Only the Lord can quench your thirst by affording you the living water.

Using scientology to debunk Christ and his works?

Jesus overlooked and took things for granted?

Clearly this is starting to sound like anti-Christ stuff.

The weakest victims that often fall prey to such modern day anti Christ teachings are often the very educated one with high qualifications. These group of people's careers depend heavily on throwing support for sciences and technology. They're often left in the dilemma of having to take sides between Jesus's humble teachings on world science evidences which lean towards atheism and satanic influences.

If you ask a scientist with PhD qualification or a doctor to take a stance between faith in Christ or modern science works/medicine, what kind of answers is expected of them?
Clearly their job depends heavily on their PR marketing theories.