Wrong.

You don't know the scripture that well either.

No one in the OT could fully obey the Law (10 commandments)
It was not given for you to qualify before God.
It was given to let you know you can't.
It's a set of Law, like a stubborn wall, the harder you try, the harder you'll knock your head.

The purpose of the law is to bring in Jesus.
Only HE alone could fufill it.
That is why Jesus said it in Matthew 5: 17-20.
He came to fulfil it, NOT you.

So pls don't be so vain to say others are to quick to come to conclusion and probably too young in their faith?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 31 2013, 06:31 PM

Stop this nonsense will you.
Why you so paranoid and live and feed in negativity?

I rarely see you say anything that's positive.

Who ARE YOU to judge me now? What you understand from the verses you read in the Bible, you don't expect others to understand them the same way as you did, right?
If you expect others to understand them the way you do then that'll be cult-like teaching or a fasvist. Same goes for the corrupted pastors that often quote verses to please their objectives and purposes, if the congregation sees through them and query him for what he can't comprehend is it WRONG?

Yes, only Jesus deserves to claim the title of all righteousness but none of his disciples did. He still EMPHASIZED strictly that laws passed down from the OT is still to be adhered.

So if any Christian who comes along and tell me to disregard, put less attention or ignore the Old Testament deserves to be questioned carefully.

You can't learn how to run before you walk, right? Can you study something without a good foundation of what's going on?

I supposed you did not come from the New Testament church did you?

I have not come across a church today that use an untouched original translated Hebrew Bible which was published few hundred years ago. That being said, the Christianity preachings that we have today is one which have been heavily modified and altered to adapt to today's society. In fact even a 20 years old Bible would have probably made so many revisions and omissions due to queries coming from people.It is said that the modifications and re-structuring of the verses are supervised and edited by prominent board of Christian leaders. Who are they? They still make a living, right?

What's the purpose of the modern day churches? To please the congregation so that the donations and tithes keep flowing in right? Obviously and certainly.

Why can't they just leave the mistakes and sentences as it is just like the original? Aren't we humans too, we also make mistakes. Why keep refining the Bible and avoid the unexplainable things?

The goal is simple. They're all trying to "white wash" the contents of the Bible to keep believers convinced.

Sorry I'm not a blind faith believer. If you come across people like me who attends your preachings, I'll be questioning and doubting every verse you quote until I'm pleased.

Romans 10:17 - So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (NKJV)

Pastors often quote that but to me it sounds like brainwashing forced upon the congreagation. You want my money and donation? Then please satisfy my doubts!

That's why we cannot read the Bible superficially.
If we read at surface value, Satan can easily twist it's meaning either confusing you about God or use it against you to bring guilt and condemnation.

I also made that mistake before. That's why I'm here to help most of you.

Doesn't matter the translation.

The Bible is God inspired word. The best person to explain is always the Holy Spirit, the counsellor who guides us into all truth.

Before you read the Bible pray to the Holy Spirit and Believe He will give you real meaning.

Even before praying, nowadays I usually petition to the H.S. to lead me to pray. Don't want to do it on my own.
This honours God and He usually does give the revelation. Sometime it's immediate, sometime it takes time,
doesn't matter, God always answer.

Now question. How does God answer this? There are a few examples I can think of.
Usually God speaks in a still small voice. He speaks to the Heart. When you read a verse sometime thoughts come into your mind.
Thoughts that you know you don't think of. If there is an accompanying peace and it conforms to the word, It's God. God never contradict his
own words.

Sometime God will bring ministers who preach something that has to do with what you've been pondering in the Bible. That's another way.
Sometime God will use situations around your life to explain to you. How do you know? Because it awakens you.
Sometime when you read a verse, it so to speak jump at you, like alive, That's call Rhema word. Word for the Now.

You can always check with your pastors for confirmation and few other spiritually mature older brother or sisters.
All should come into agreement.

And you can always check online translation in Hebrew or Greek for the extra mile.

Well there are other example, you'll learn as you go along.


Ahn3hn3h.

Every Pastor have a right to earn a living from the Church. God ordain it that way.
When you speak against these Pastors, you run in the danger of talking against something God ordain.

Doesn't matter if they earn much or little, God is the one who will deal with any of his servant for wrong. Not us.
At most what we do is only bad mouthing.

Always remember Judgement and vengeance belongs to God and God alone.
Who are we to overtake His place by judging them?

Why I'm hard on you? Because probably I care.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Aug 31 2013, 10:49 PM

Jesus would be the better person to satisfy your doubts.

Live by Faith Ahn3hn3h.

Every Pastors and ministers are fallible creatures and I dare say none of them are perfect.
We all have our weaknesses.

The only difference is that they spend more time with God compare with everyone else.
They are ordained to be God's mouth peace to his people, But that doesn't make them infallible nor perfect.

Inside, All of us are just like you, human.
We still have the flesh to contend with.

If you keep on having some sort of expectation toward people, you will definitely be disappointed.

Look to Jesus, He's the perfect one and also the Author and perfecter of your Faith.

Blind faith is not wisdom.

If you see religious people living the glamourous rich and famous lifestyles , you believe they are of God? Did Jesus lived a glamourous life?
He could have turned the 5 loaves of bread into thousands of gold ingots for every of his followers, but why he decided to handout breads and fish instead?

I did my research and I'm fully aware of the existence of Christian Zionists and their organization roots.From their speeches and topics, you can identify their characters whether if one is self glorifying and materialistic.

Did you noticed that unconfident pastors always have a group of church workers following after them and performing slaining of the Holy Spirit when they perform their prayers?
That's so similar to Benny Hinn's style.

Back in the 90s, those end days preachings were so prevalent when the economic downturn came. Now I'm seeing these nonsense days are returning.

How do I know is God's ordained or you simply quote the Bible towards your own purpose?

Is that a threat or using God's name in vain? If you say that's true then you're agreeing that anyone who questions the earnings of churches such as City Harvest and Hillsong is forbidden?

Ever heard of the Church of Scientology? They'll tell you everything is God's will and they'll find or use every verse in the Bible towards their claims. Defying them is defying God.

How's that for a cult? A legal church registered in the USA and Australia.

God loves you Ahn3hn3h.
Perfect love cast out fear.

When you immerse yourself in his love, you will come to rest and He will give you wisdom.
And the wisdom given never leads to insecurity neither in hate.

and to answer your question,

Abraham,David, Soloman and Job are filthy rich.

Are they of God?

God always use people who are have faults and incomplete to be in his service. Never one who is self-confident.

The ministry of condemnation is a thing of the past.

Now there is a better ministry which is of Grace and is much more glorious than the former.

Not to say forbidden but simply, What business is it for us to make it ours?
You don't even attend that Church. er....get my point?

Cult? Why worry, If you know your Bible well enough, you'll know which Church to avoid, isn't it?
Tell me if I'm wrong.

Abraham grandsons fell and so did Solomon. Later in Solomon's life, one of his wife lead him to practice pagantry worshipping.

But the whole point is all about following the ways of Jesus, right? Why are you distorting the fact now by bringing in Abraham, David Solomon and the rest?

Now did Jesus lived a filthy rich lifestyle?

Are you willing to give up everything and serve the Lord without any material cravings?

Just wear a robe or cloth(maybe plain cloths by today standards), not holding any side jobs that provide monetary means, survive by daily food offerings/donations and walk in blind faith just like Jesus?

I am aware that even the Pope himself can't. He still drinks from his gold lining cups filled with red wine?

popcorn

erm...because it's in the Bible? And it's not distorted? It's written in there?

That's not the point, this is the point;

Tell me, If Rich is perceive as evil, then why did God bless them so rich?

Did you know, Jesus created street of Gold in Heaven?

Tell me if that is not glamorous?

Why am I telling you all this?

Because I believe most Christians know nuts about what the scripture really mean when it comes to Material Prosperity.

They only know based on what other people say, what the internet say, how they feel and how it should be from a self-righteous perspective.
But never from biblical perspective.

Best part is, I cannot understand the negative perspective people have over pastors. That they must be poor, then it's Godly, If Rich means not Godly. REally

They always say this; very very common I've heard it over and over again.

eyeee this pastor rich and glamorous, must be fake and un-biblical.

But when I question them like how I question you, they're clueless and don't really know why.

The Bible left everything for us to learn.


And to answer you, I already did.
Have you?


The New Pope did not.
He broke every Vatican tradition, I believe He is following Jesus.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Sep 1 2013, 12:04 AM

I also tengah munching. problem?

You have a very narrow mind with the definition of rich.

Rich is not just about money, gold, many servants and being a king.

Corrupted church staffs need to remember that if your congregation stops their tithes and offerings, that's the end of your career if you want to believe that those worldly materials define prosperity. That is what most churches fear today and they'll do anything to satisfy their congregation.

What is not glamourous? My definition is one who is a full time staff who takes no salary, not attached to any organizations, no family, plain cloth down to earth person with an empty pocket and walks totally by blind faith.

Too much to ask right? I believe there are real saints like that out there just rare.

The new Pope broke every tradition through years of complaints and flaws finding. Just like the Bible which underwent years of revisions and corrections, it doesn't hide the fact that human will always find ways to sweep the dust under the carpet to make things look good.

The thing that worries me is that the latest Pope comes from the Jesuits Order. That's even more worrying than the previous.

This post has been edited by Ahn3hn3h: Sep 1 2013, 12:26 AM

Erm.. you mean prosperity is not just about money, gold, many servants and being a king?
I know and I can agree with you.

But still the question beg an answer.

If being rich in material is perceive as evil, then why did God bless, Abraham, David, Solomon and Job with such abundance of it?

Try and answer that. Don't avoid pls.

Erm... tithing or offering is not giving money to the Church or Pastor. You do know that, right?
This is pretty basic, every Christian should know this. It's elementary like abc's.

Full time staff who take no salary?

But that's not what God ordain.

Here,

1 Corinthians 9:11
If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you?

1 Corinthians 9:14
In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel

and I answer you again.

I did. I did not have any fix salary at one point of time in my life.
I gave my trust to God to provide.
I have family to feed. And God provided for me.

Now I ask you. Have you ever come to such a position?

That's what the paper says about the pope, does it matter?


P.S: OKay I re-arrange my question then,

I cannot understand the negative perspective people have over pastors. That they must be materially poor, then it's Godly, If materially Rich means un-Godly? Logic?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Sep 1 2013, 12:57 AM

depends on what you mean by "adhere"
if you mean to be right with God, then you have just negated what the Holy Spirit is trying to teach.

Galatians 5:4 (NLT)
For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God's grace.

Under the New Covenant of God, we are to look away from the Law of the OT (yes, really look away) and look to Christ, because Christ is the fulfilment of the law.

The reason why Jesus said, "Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven" is for you to stop and think.

Because in the next line he said this verse 19,

For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

Think for a moment.

"Your" Righteousness?

Do you begin to see it now?


Since when we can be righteous through the law?

The answer is: No way, never.

So what's the point of the law then?

The answer is found in Galatians 3:19. (NLT)

Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised. God gave his law through angels to Moses, who was the mediator between God and the people.

For Christians, the law has reach it's expiry date.
For pre-believers (non Christians), the law still apply and is valid.







This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Sep 1 2013, 01:26 AM

Ahn3hn3h, have you listened to Nick Vidijic story before? he is a born again christian motivation speaker who is limbless from birth, despite his disability that does not determined him from preaching God Word and for that God bless him with a happy family and a ministry for him to share about himself and his encounter with God

that tithe in CC is very normal in modern world as most modern churches today has practised it already

as for your question about pastors who is rich and being driven around by chauffer and living in posh bangalows, that is not for us to judge............For the Judgement belong to God alone...........

Your understanding of blessing is always limited to abundance of material wealth. Why do you insist that wordly materials is blessing?

How about my question? Where can you find in the Bible which give reference that Jesus when he was on earth has his share of worldly material abundance?
Instead he was persecuted and continually persecuted. Did he live a posh, comfortable and luxurious life like King David and Solomon?

Jesus is above all men!

Of course they don't go straight into their accounts but where does their salaries draw from?

Where did I assume that rich automatically rich = un-Godly and poor = God-ly?

You can discern a true motives of a pastor through their sermons and speeches. Their words reveal their thoughts. Having spent millions on a wife's song album God-ly?
Blessed?