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 -+♠+-LYN Proton Persona Owners Club V.XLIII?-+♠+-, v44 = FFK Thread... Coming Soon

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post Dec 25 2012, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(TDUEnthusiast @ Dec 25 2012, 09:53 PM)
brows.gif He ternampak hantu.
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hmm.gif Hantu kat depan, maybe. Hantu kat belakang, no way due to height issue. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Manlet @ Dec 25 2012, 08:42 PM)
nvh slightly better than persona, but the cvt bising sial, keep whining at 1k~2k rpm, above 2k rpm nth liao  hmm.gif
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don't forget to taruh petronas mach 5 20w50 or shell hx3 20w50 into your cfe, i belip u had good experience enjoying those lube in your pe before... brows.gif
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QUOTE(TDUEnthusiast @ Dec 25 2012, 09:53 PM)
brows.gif He ternampak hantu.
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No nampak hantu tapi tu beep beep beep soft soft ingat jauh tapi emak anak tu smash kete aku kata sudah nak langgar liao


Added on December 25, 2012, 11:37 pm
QUOTE(voscar @ Dec 25 2012, 10:45 PM)
don't forget to taruh petronas mach 5 20w50 or shell hx3 20w50 into your cfe, i belip u had good experience enjoying those lube in your pe before... brows.gif
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Service manual say featured engine oil is petronal syntium and mach 5 wo....

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QUOTE(Manlet @ Dec 25 2012, 11:37 PM)
Service manual say featured engine oil is petronal syntium and mach 5 wo....
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QUOTE(jasonloh7906 @ Dec 25 2012, 07:44 PM)
vibration no. even hard and high speed braking. but noise yes. a lot of different noise. but i think it might really be warped.
it have friction very rough noise, high pitch noise, current new noise is like brake jam noise even when i din brake got chit chit sound.
haiz, summoning muslayer. is it so cheap for the brembo rotor?
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Rm 14x /= not include workmanship. Is just an OEM Stock Brembo. (Non slotted or cross drill)
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post Dec 26 2012, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(kennywee92 @ Dec 24 2012, 07:11 PM)
Yup. 10K for FS.
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FS might be able to withstand 10K mileage but question is our filter really up to par for it. I'm still not comfortable with 10K FS change. Might be able to last but to maintain clean and long term OPTIMUM engine performance, IMO, 10K change might have an impact on the gradual performance reduction but no proof of that as each car differs due to driving condition, style and engine maintenance thingy and not to mention luck.

I'll keep to my 5-6K schedule for FS or 6 months whichever comes first. No worries on lube filteration issue later in its life. I still keep all my cars at optimum performance even nearing 10 years (last time....).


Added on December 26, 2012, 8:59 am
QUOTE(cloudstrife07 @ Dec 25 2012, 06:14 AM)
eh i tot it's 5k for mineral, semi 7k, fully 10k?

ya seen the cost, but somehow called Intan Matang SC they quoted me RM370 cost bring own oil. is there any other parts that they didn't change? i forgot to ask.
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No Semi is technically almost the same with mineral with very small addition of synthetic based. So its a bit better but in reality, not too much difference. So both are 5K maint schedule. Many used 7K to JUSTIFY the higher price....but that is not how the lube works.

FS however is different. Most FS is using Group 3+ hydrocracked mineral with a small percentage of synthetic based, way more than semi but still at most 20-30% only. The mineral lube here is refined to a stage most contaminants that exist in the mineral and semi lube are filtered out. Its refined performance has almost reached the REAL FS lube that used ester or PAO albeit without the inherent properties of real FS (such as naturally much higher VI without addictives, much better natural contaminant suspension, much better lubrication and heat resistance with thin cold start properties)...but still miles ahead of standard mineral and semi.

So there is my doubt earlier of FS going up to and above 10K mileage as it is not real FS unless you're using AMSOIL, etc. However lube tech has improved so much, FS should be able to perform longer BUT while lube tech goes up oil filter remains the same tech thus the down point for me. Also better engine tech with better filteration system with higher QC level also increase lube life but I still have great doubt of our CAMPRO "tech" level and QC level.

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QUOTE(Manlet @ Dec 25 2012, 11:37 PM)
No nampak hantu tapi tu beep beep beep soft soft ingat jauh tapi emak anak tu smash kete aku kata sudah nak langgar liao


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Service manual say featured engine oil is petronal syntium and mach 5 wo....
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QUOTE(Manlet @ Dec 25 2012, 11:37 PM)
Service manual say featured engine oil is petronal syntium and mach 5 wo....
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Unlike other established car manufacturers, you should not believe EVERYTHING that proton manual says. My manual recommend 20W50 for PE....siao kah...even proton SC all uses 40 weight but if you trust the manual fully.......
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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Dec 26 2012, 09:03 AM)
Don't do silly things to a turbocharger. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Cavino @ Dec 26 2012, 09:04 AM)
Unlike other established car manufacturers, you should not believe EVERYTHING that proton manual says. My manual recommend 20W50 for PE....siao kah...even proton SC all uses 40 weight but if you trust the manual fully.......
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i wun use mach 5 anymore already one... maybe use synthium 800 for all the services liao biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Manlet @ Dec 26 2012, 09:57 AM)
i wun use mach 5 anymore already one... maybe use synthium 800 for all the services liao  biggrin.gif
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If your SC allow outside engine oil, get Havoline Semi Syn 10W40 from Caltex station. Same price but difference in performance is noticeable from engine noise, acceleration and vibration.
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QUOTE(Cavino @ Dec 26 2012, 10:35 AM)
If your SC allow outside engine oil, get Havoline Semi Syn 10W40 from Caltex station. Same price but difference in performance is noticeable from engine noise, acceleration and vibration.
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QUOTE(anep @ Dec 26 2012, 12:58 PM)
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u haven't try FS yet
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QUOTE(Cavino @ Dec 26 2012, 08:49 AM)
FS might be able to withstand 10K mileage but question is our filter really up to par for it. I'm still not comfortable with 10K FS change. Might be able to last but to maintain clean and long term OPTIMUM engine performance, IMO, 10K change might have an impact on the gradual performance reduction but no proof of that as each car differs due to driving condition, style and engine maintenance thingy and not to mention luck.

I'll keep to my 5-6K schedule for FS or 6 months whichever comes first. No worries on lube filteration issue later in its life. I still keep all my cars at optimum performance even nearing 10 years (last time....).


Added on December 26, 2012, 8:59 am

No Semi is technically almost the same with mineral with very small addition of synthetic based. So its a bit better but in reality, not too much difference. So both are 5K maint schedule. Many used 7K to JUSTIFY the higher price....but that is not how the lube works.

FS however is different. Most FS is using Group 3+ hydrocracked mineral with a small percentage of synthetic based, way more than semi but still at most 20-30% only. The mineral lube here is refined to a stage most contaminants that exist in the mineral and semi lube are filtered out. Its refined performance has almost reached the REAL FS lube that used ester or PAO albeit without the inherent properties of real FS (such as naturally much higher VI without addictives, much better natural contaminant suspension, much better lubrication and heat resistance with thin cold start properties)...but still miles ahead of standard mineral and semi.

So there is my doubt earlier of FS going up to and above 10K mileage as it is not real FS unless you're using AMSOIL, etc. However lube tech has improved so much, FS should be able to perform longer BUT while lube tech goes up oil filter remains the same tech thus the down point for me. Also better engine tech with better filteration system with higher QC level also increase lube life but I still have great doubt of our CAMPRO "tech" level and QC level.
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Nice! Thanks for explaining that. So other than royal purple, amsoil, liquimoly etc (boutique oils) it's not recommended to go up to 7k eh.

QUOTE(Manlet @ Dec 26 2012, 09:57 AM)
i wun use mach 5 anymore already one... maybe use synthium 800 for all the services liao  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Cavino @ Dec 26 2012, 10:35 AM)
If your SC allow outside engine oil, get Havoline Semi Syn 10W40 from Caltex station. Same price but difference in performance is noticeable from engine noise, acceleration and vibration.
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Use liquimoly brows.gif
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QUOTE(muslayer @ Dec 26 2012, 07:28 AM)
Rm 14x /= not include workmanship. Is just an OEM Stock Brembo. (Non slotted or cross drill)
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still ok what. workmanship won't be up to Rm80 gua. where is it where is it??
intro me. haha~~yaya. i know is the OEM stock brembo.

QUOTE(Cavino @ Dec 26 2012, 08:49 AM)
FS might be able to withstand 10K mileage but question is our filter really up to par for it. I'm still not comfortable with 10K FS change. Might be able to last but to maintain clean and long term OPTIMUM engine performance, IMO, 10K change might have an impact on the gradual performance reduction but no proof of that as each car differs due to driving condition, style and engine maintenance thingy and not to mention luck.

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last time I also doubt the capability of the oil filter. However, now I think it shouldnt be a problem since the preve service interval is at 10k km.
actually if we were to compare a honda engine with a proton engine both not serviced until they kong, the proton might win you know. hahaha~~
if still having doubt on proton oil filter, then can consider buying OEM ford, or othercar manufacturer oil filter that actually now having a 10k service interval for all their cars.


Added on December 26, 2012, 1:16 pm
QUOTE(anep @ Dec 26 2012, 11:58 AM)
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you will be suprised with the difference between caltex fs and caltex semi XD

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QUOTE(jasonloh7906 @ Dec 26 2012, 01:15 PM)
last time I also doubt the capability of the oil filter. However, now I think it shouldnt be a problem since the preve service interval is at 10k km.
actually if we were to compare a honda engine with a proton engine both not serviced until they kong, the proton might win you know. hahaha~~
if still having doubt on proton oil filter, then can consider buying OEM ford, or othercar manufacturer oil filter that actually now having a 10k service interval for all their cars.


Added on December 26, 2012, 1:16 pm
you will be suprised with the difference between caltex fs and caltex semi XD
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IMO, the filter might be able to last but it might be pushing the boundary of the filters.....a risk Im not going to take. Pushing the boundary does not concern most car manufacturers at this point as popular demand is more important. The filter can still take it but might not work efficiently at the end of that life span. Same with lube, I believe most FS can go 10K and above, but efficiency near the end of the life span might be 50% and below....maybe.

Being a non risk taker and with proven clean and optimum performance of my 7 years old cars, I maintained the more expensive way of changing out lubes and parts before the wear and performance reduction set in. Most ppl just service AFTER it sets in to drag if longer period (protection still there but greatly reduced in efficiency). Thus my way tends to allow the cars to perform OPTIMUMLY at all times without fail but frankly a bit wasteful, yes.....but my cars did last me all these years and still performed almost as good as new. Something my wife complained as costly maintenance BUT she did enjoyed a fine ride (mentioned, this 7 years old car still acts like new one).....a price to pay.

On other note on Caltex FS and Semi........you also will be surprised at the price difference too.

It was actually a well known knowledge, if you want a cleaner engine, its better to use mineral and semi at 5K than a FS at 10K service interval....if done outside with much lower labor cost, both almost same price. FS enjoyed better performance first but the 5K mineral enjoyed better performance later in its engine life. Give and take.

ps. all my 2 cents only.....other opinion might differs. Also I get my Idemitsu FS only 50% price more than semi and my hondas did go 6 months before change at only 5K interval. So the 10K interval did not apply to my hondas nowadays....Before my wife drive its, I DID change every 5K for FS.....but then I only started using FS after 70K mileage. Hit 90K, my wife took over.

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QUOTE(kennywee92 @ Dec 26 2012, 02:38 PM)
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QUOTE(kennywee92 @ Dec 26 2012, 02:38 PM)
PJ section 13 SC not answering my calls  sleep.gif
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