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adamlebron
post Jun 1 2013, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(mumeichan @ Jun 1 2013, 04:43 AM)
You're implying that the quality of a smartphone produced image is not good. This myth has been long debunked
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not saying that the outcome is not good, but not as good as digital camera. for outdoor trip it'll be always better using a digital camera
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QUOTE(mumeichan @ Jun 1 2013, 04:43 AM)
You're implying that the quality of a smartphone produced image is not good. This myth has been long debunked
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For night shots or dimly lit indoor shots ?
Nope, the images produced is still horrible.

I'm quite sure my 5 year old DSLR can still perform better in low light compared to any smartphones.
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post Jun 1 2013, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Jun 1 2013, 06:13 PM)
For night shots or dimly lit indoor shots ?
Nope, the images produced is still horrible.

I'm quite sure my 5 year old DSLR can still perform better in low light compared to any smartphones.
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Yes I agree that even a 7 year old DSLR will perform better than a phone camera, but today a phone camera produces very good pictures and sometimes indistinguishable from a DLSR as shown in the video I posted. And for the iPhone, even in low light. I believe that if there was a double blind test of images taken during anytime between 7am and 6pm, people will have a hard time differentiating a DSLR image and an iPhone image.

QUOTE(adamlebron @ Jun 1 2013, 04:59 PM)
not saying that the outcome is not good, but not as good as digital camera. for outdoor trip it'll be always better using a digital camera
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Having a fixed focal lenght, small aperture and small sensor, there is a lot the iPhone can't do. But can it produce stunning images?

http://www.flickr.com/groups/1101937@N23/pool/

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post Jun 2 2013, 12:56 AM

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QUOTE(mumeichan @ Jun 1 2013, 09:51 PM)
I believe that if there was a double blind test of images taken during anytime between 7am and 6pm, people will have a hard time differentiating a DSLR image and an iPhone image.
Having a fixed focal lenght, small aperture and small sensor, there is a lot the iPhone can't do. But can it produce stunning images?
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It's not hard to differentiate a photo taken with DSLR and a phone camera.
You just have to post a photo at 1024 x 720 and the details will tell you.

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post Jun 2 2013, 02:06 AM

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QUOTE(mumeichan @ Jun 1 2013, 09:51 PM)
Yes I agree that even a 7 year old DSLR will perform better than a phone camera, but today a phone camera produces very good pictures and sometimes indistinguishable from a DLSR as shown in the video I posted. And for the iPhone, even in low light. I believe that if there was a double blind test of images taken during anytime between 7am and 6pm, people will have a hard time differentiating a DSLR image and an iPhone image.
Having a fixed focal lenght, small aperture and small sensor, there is a lot the iPhone can't do. But can it produce stunning images?

http://www.flickr.com/groups/1101937@N23/pool/
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A camera phone can take stunning images, as with a 2 megapixel 10 year old camera.
Doesn't mean that the 10 year old camera is an amazing camera by today's standard.

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post Jun 2 2013, 02:28 AM

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Jun 2 2013, 02:06 AM)
A camera phone can take stunning images, as with a 2 megapixel 10 year old camera.
Doesn't mean that the 10 year old camera is an amazing camera by today's standard.
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Umm, no offence but I kinds disagree with that. A 10 yr old digicam sucks. It can take a good photograph in a skilled hand, but it still sucks in terms on the IQ. The iPhone 4/5 doesn't.
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QUOTE(mumeichan @ Jun 2 2013, 02:28 AM)
Umm, no offence but I kinds disagree with that. A 10 yr old digicam sucks. It can take a good photograph in a skilled hand, but it still sucks in terms on the IQ. The iPhone 4/5 doesn't.
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Exactly my point.
Just because it can take a good photograph doesn't mean the camera has amazing IQ.
Apply that to smartphones camera.

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hehe. you guys who are praising smartphones should also be more detailed.

smartphone can range from as low as RM 599 to insane prices like Samsung Galaxy S4 which is about RM 2499 or so.

And the praises so far for good smartphone photos - they're all limited to those high-end smartphones that cost above RM 2k.

QUOTE(Icehart @ Jun 2 2013, 12:56 AM)
It's not hard to differentiate a photo taken with DSLR and a phone camera.
You just have to post a photo at 1024 x 720 and the details will tell you.
i disagree. going around Facebook, forums and various other places.

many people use DSLR and snap it same or worse than a phone camera.

there was a website that had such test before. biggrin.gif

of course if you are comparing same scene, same lighting taken by same person then comparison is very straight forward.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 2 2013, 11:00 PM)
i disagree. going around Facebook, forums and various other places.

many people use DSLR and snap it same or worse than a phone camera.

there was a website that had such test before. biggrin.gif

of course if you are comparing same scene, same lighting taken by same person then comparison is very straight forward.
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Then that is definitely user problem. tongue.gif
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haha.. i wonder why most of my pic taken with phone got more likes than the one taken with dslr + pp. lol..
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sometimes smartphone with good camera (iphone4S or S4) + Instagram effect really produce nice photo biggrin.gif
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in reality - Instagram is just making shitty photos look bearable for the most part.
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post Jun 3 2013, 04:52 AM

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QUOTE(Pmc @ Jun 2 2013, 11:41 PM)
haha.. i wonder why most of my pic taken with phone got more likes than the one taken with dslr + pp. lol..
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Because they look better haha
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QUOTE(Pmc @ Jun 2 2013, 11:41 PM)
haha.. i wonder why most of my pic taken with phone got more likes than the one taken with dslr + pp. lol..
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The reality is that you have your phone with you most of the time and I'll bet you don't have your DSLR with you as often. Thus this naturally leads to more pics taken with the phone and this, going by statistics, is going to get you more likes for pics taken with your phone simply because there is more chance of you taking a photo with your phone than your DSLR. This also does not factor in that one would normally take pics using a phone in a setting where one is usually with a group of friends in a very social setting. Thus you would get more likes from friends that are with you the moment the pic was taken.

Of course this comes back to the point where it all depends on what the need is. If you just want some snapshots for memories then any old camera will do.
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post Jun 5 2013, 02:11 AM

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QUOTE(shootkk @ Jun 3 2013, 08:57 AM)
The reality is that you have your phone with you most of the time and I'll bet you don't have your DSLR with you as often. Thus this naturally leads to more pics taken with the phone and this, going by statistics, is going to get you more likes for pics taken with your phone simply because there is more chance of you taking a photo with your phone than your DSLR. This also does not factor in that one would normally take pics using a phone in a setting where one is usually with a group of friends in a very social setting. Thus you would get more likes from friends that are with you the moment the pic was taken.

Of course this comes back to the point where it all depends on what the need is. If you just want some snapshots for memories then any old camera will do.
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I don't think he meant the number of likes though. I think he meant that instagram pictures are more aesthetically pleasing.
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Instagram - your camera sucks, and you can't take good picture with it. tongue.gif our filters will make any shitty stuff look decent.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 5 2013, 08:32 AM)
Instagram - your camera sucks, and you can't take good picture with it. tongue.gif our filters will make any shitty stuff look decent.
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Noise? Not a big issue. We shall turn it into black and white and apply colour filter.
Grainy? Nevermind, we call it as lomography. laugh.gif
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post Jun 6 2013, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 2 2013, 11:00 PM)
hehe. you guys who are praising smartphones should also be more detailed.

smartphone can range from as low as RM 599 to insane prices like Samsung Galaxy S4 which is about RM 2499 or so.

And the praises so far for good smartphone photos - they're all limited to those high-end smartphones that cost above RM 2k.
i disagree. going around Facebook, forums and various other places.

many people use DSLR and snap it same or worse than a phone camera.

there was a website that had such test before. biggrin.gif

of course if you are comparing same scene, same lighting taken by same person then comparison is very straight forward.
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RM599, look at S.E xperia ray. Camera is quite similar to S2 and S2 camera is not that far away from S4. So I disagree about the above RM2k part.
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Conclusion: Smartphone camera nowadays can replace a dedicated camera - up to a point. Beyond that point, you still need a proper camera.
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post Jun 6 2013, 06:58 PM

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For job, u stil need a proper camera, wont u so stupid hired a iphone photographer to shoot ur wedding right?

For ur lifestyle, snapshoot photo, iphone is more than enough, go a side road restaurant eat wantan mee use dslr shoot is abit over la for me

So different gear for different purpose, use the right tools for the right job

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