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Kar Leong
post May 30 2013, 05:03 PM

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funny to read all these comment, Smart phone never can replace mine 5d Mark III lolz. I was wonder how do i capture a milky way with a smart phone hahaha
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QUOTE(mystvearn @ May 30 2013, 05:00 PM)
I'd go as far to say that traditional camera makers like Canon/Nikon are going to be bust if they do not change their strategies.
not sure about Nikon but Canon can still sell calculators. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(chokia @ May 30 2013, 03:19 PM)
LMAO!

i just love people's reaction, maybe they misread the word "I think" or "most" in that post.
your information and comparison so flawed, even those "i think" and "most" won't save it. tongue.gif

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post May 30 2013, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ May 30 2013, 05:07 PM)
not sure about Nikon but Canon can still sell calculators. tongue.gif
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Nikon, Olympus are giants in optical field, they are main supplier for low power scope and high power scopes in industrial field. ohh... not to mention, Leica also have same product (i nvr see Canon scope b4, so not sure canon have similar products or not)

Canon, Nikon, Ricoh produce photocopy machine as well (my company using Ricoh photocopier)

oh.. ya, Nikon also produce x-ray machine flex.gif

since they in to imaging/optical field, they not going to produce only camera, they may involve in others field related to optical

so if someone think of, without camera, Nikon, Canon... will not survive, that's not true smile.gif

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I'd go as far to say that traditional camera makers like Canon/Nikon are going to be bust if they do not change their strategies.

be in mind their top range of line up do not target to hobbyist like us, they targeting to professional photographers, that still need the big gun for extreme condition, those camera size are big due to bigger electrical circuit board in camera, to accommodate more components/chips, that not as simple as 'SLR quality'
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QUOTE(onghy @ May 30 2013, 05:39 PM)
so if someone think of, without camera, Nikon, Canon... will not survive, that's not true  smile.gif


exactly. smile.gif

in fact at most lose out compact range, no big deal.

the big spenders are not from those who target compact.

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post May 30 2013, 06:45 PM

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1. Megapixels - Phonecam already has 12MP cam since 2009, while that time most DSLRs were just 6MP

5D2 was released in 2008 with 21 megapixels. Most DSLR at that time has a range 12-15 megapixels. Learn to count.

2. 1080p - Full HD phone cam are so common, 5D Mark II which priced almost like 3 new born babies in china black market was the 1st DSLR to have this feature.

5D2 was released in 2008. Name me one full HD phone cam released in 2008.

3. Display - when phone cam evolved up to retina display, most camera still stuck with low res with difficulty to see in sunlight.

Better display =/= better photos. Retina macbook pro webcam is worse than a RM 500 camera.

4. Touch screen - not just phonecam already has touch to focus, today most cameras don’t even have touchscreen,

Phone cam touch to focus takes about 10x longer than DSLR.

5. Video light LED is also common feature in cam phone, it almost non existence in real camera.

You mean torch light ? That's cute.... but why would I need one on a real camera ?

6. Image stabilization is not a buying factor in cam phone, but it is essential when buying a camera coz it is a rare feature.

So ?

7. GPS – Geolocation data on the Exif information – Phone cam people don’t even talk about this already coz it’s native.

How many check out the geolocation data on FB, flickr or printed photos ? Oh... no one either cares or they don't exist.

8. Connectivity – Wireless connectivity like wifi and 3G is not even a handful number that we can call significant in real cam world.

Not planning to whatsapp on my camera. I've a phone for that.
If I really need it, there's eye-fi, wifi attachments or some even have it built in.

9. Battery – while phone cam can just charge it on any usb ports, cameraman need to bring car battery around connected to some adapter and fake battery coupler.

That's cause camera can last more than a day... unlike phones.

10. Size – most photographers are still have the thinking that bigger is better when the evolution of technology proves otherwise. Until today most of them still think that it’s important to have mirror to reflect the image to another sensor to display on another smaller LCD display they call a viewfinder and this what DSLR is all about.

What ? Mirror to reflect image to another sensor ? LCD display called a viewfinder ? Do you even know how a DSLR works ? Stop spouting nonsense


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QUOTE(onghy @ May 30 2013, 05:39 PM)
Nikon, Olympus are giants in optical field, they are main supplier for low power scope and high power scopes in industrial field. ohh... not to mention, Leica also have same product (i nvr see Canon scope b4, so not sure canon have similar products or not)

Canon, Nikon, Ricoh produce photocopy machine as well (my company using Ricoh photocopier)

oh.. ya, Nikon also produce x-ray machine  flex.gif

since they in to imaging/optical field, they not going to produce only camera, they may involve in others field related to optical

so if someone think of, without camera, Nikon, Canon... will not survive, that's not true  smile.gif
be in mind their top range of line up do not target to hobbyist like us, they targeting to professional photographers, that still need the big gun for extreme condition, those camera size are big  due to bigger electrical circuit board in camera, to accommodate more components/chips, that not as simple as  'SLR quality'
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Canon products are more of a consumer end than industrial end.
Nikon does not produce photocopy machine. They do produce X-rays but the market isn't exactly large.

All these companies may have diverge into different fields, but camera market is still contributing a large part of their revenues

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post May 30 2013, 08:04 PM

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I am confusing about this also previously. At last, I choose to buy Samsung S3 rather than buying a camera. Since a smart phone can be used in many way instead of just taking a photo... smile.gif
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QUOTE(Kar Leong @ May 30 2013, 05:03 PM)
funny to read all these comment, Smart phone never can replace mine 5d Mark III lolz. I was wonder how do i capture a milky way with a smart phone hahaha
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Wow! that is something...... rclxms.gif

anyway, dear all sifus - let's get back to my original question:

"The all important question is: with the recent progress in smart phones, can it replace a mid-range camera mentioned above?"

I never have any question about the power of dSLRs, and i'd agree that anyone who wants to produce first class photos should get the best gear possible - this is beyond argument.

so, back to my question: can a smartphone replace a mid-ranged camera? Especially in low light condition which is always the weakest point of phone cams. I've narrowed down to cameras like Canon S100, Lumix LX-5, and Lumix GF-2.

so from now on, please no more debating on dSLRs. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(t1231 @ May 30 2013, 08:13 PM)
Wow! that is something...... rclxms.gif

anyway, dear all sifus - let's get back to my original question:

"The all important question is: with the recent progress in smart phones, can it replace a mid-range camera mentioned above?"

I never have any question about the power of dSLRs, and i'd agree that anyone who wants to produce first class photos should get the best gear possible - this is beyond argument.

so, back to my question: can a smartphone replace a mid-ranged camera? Especially in low light condition which is always the weakest point of phone cams. I've narrowed down to cameras like Canon S100, Lumix LX-5, and Lumix GF-2.

so from now on, please no more debating on dSLRs.  laugh.gif
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No.
As of now, it cannot.
Simple physics.
Camera has more space to house larger sensors and better optics since it does not need to bother with excess "phone" features.
Until a phone can accomodate a large sensor and a large aperture zoom lens, the difference is clear.

I'm talking about a smartphone that has it's other smartphone features polished as well.

Of course things may change in the future with invention of sensors or lens technology.
Eg : Lytro, Foveon, Cheap EMCCD, liquid lens technology.
But until a revolutionary technology is widely implemented, there's no way phones will beat regular camera.
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That depends on the application of your pictures. If you just snap pictures for blogging purposes or facebook at 500 x 335 or 640 x 480 then the pictures are actually quite decent. If you intend to keep for long term memories and upload to sites like flickr, please do some justice and get a proper camera la. laugh.gif My Panasonic Lx-3 announced in 2008 still can eat those high ends Htc One for breakfast.
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@t1231 save yourself the trouble, get a used s100, s95, lx3, lx4 or lx5 , with extra budget left get a mid end smart phone...

i recently brought a unused s100 for rm700 only.. and no shity phone camera can come close to what it can do... not a single one can if u wanna use a camera...everything else.. cam whoring, instagraming ,i use my sony mini pro,

for work and pro shoot, i use my MKIII...
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QUOTE(Kar Leong @ May 30 2013, 05:03 PM)
funny to read all these comment, Smart phone never can replace mine 5d Mark III lolz. I was wonder how do i capture a milky way with a smart phone hahaha
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Come a time.. maybe but not now haha, even Samsung is trying to bridge the gap by releasing their smart-camera but IMHO DSLR will be my first choice if taking pictures. RAW images are so much more detailed compared to compressed image files on smartphones.

This is my personal experience and opinion: Though its true that the phone is always with me but if you wanna use only that to take memorable pictures, somewhere down the line you would wish you had a better camera. Yes if I have no choice, a picture is better than none, but if I have the DSLR at hand? no way I'm gonna whip it out for a pict

BTW nice photo there smile.gif
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If you're not enthusiast and don't really bother the quality then smart phone will be a great choice.

Or get a point and shoot camera and around rm1k is good enough too
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Smartphone camera can take decent pictures with good lighting; but can they replace a proper camera? No. Not even a P&S.

This was taken by an iPhone:
user posted image

But I'd easily pick a S100 or GF2 over an iPhone any time of the day.

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Aiya simple la. If you get an iPhone and The VSCO cam app, all yours pics will get instant likes on Facebook. That's the in thing now and people like it.
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QUOTE(adamlebron @ May 31 2013, 05:34 PM)
If you're not enthusiast and don't really bother the quality then smart phone will be a great choice.

Or get a point and shoot camera and around rm1k is good enough too
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You're implying that the quality of a smartphone produced image is not good. This myth has been long debunked
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It all depends on user need & requirement.
Not all thing are created equally. All have pros & cons. If say a company create a "PERFECT" gadget, what will they sell in future, where will all their engineers, developers go ?
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When u get composition and exposure right even phone camera can produce wonderful result.

IF u cant dslr also can't help and will just make u like a fool.
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QUOTE(chokia @ May 30 2013, 11:28 AM)
I think I’m on the same boat with TS, it will be pretty shocking if TS entered the world of real camera and found out it is so far behind the phone cam. Those common features in phone cam are not common in digital camera and it'll cost arm and leg if camera has them. Case-in-point:
1. Megapixels - Phonecam already has 12MP cam since 2009, while that time most DSLRs were just 6MP
2. 1080p - Full HD phone cam are so common, 5D Mark II which priced almost like 3 new born babies in china black market was the 1st DSLR to have this feature.
3. Display - when phone cam evolved up to retina display, most camera still stuck with low res with difficulty to see in sunlight.
4. Touch screen - not just phonecam already has touch to focus, today most cameras don’t even have touchscreen,
5. Video light LED is also common feature in cam phone, it almost non existence in real camera.
6. Image stabilization is not a buying factor in cam phone, but it is essential when buying a camera coz it is a rare feature.
7. GPS – Geolocation data on the Exif information – Phone cam people don’t even talk about this already coz it’s native.
8. Connectivity – Wireless connectivity like wifi and 3G is not even a handful number that we can call significant in real cam world.
9. Battery – while phone cam can just charge it on any usb ports, cameraman need to bring car battery around connected to some adapter and fake battery coupler.
10. Size – most photographers are still have the thinking that bigger is better when the evolution of technology proves otherwise. Until today most of them still think that it’s important to have mirror to reflect the image to another sensor to display on another smaller LCD display they call a viewfinder and this what DSLR is all about.

I can go on and on but lets get thing straight here when people like me looking for a camera to buy we expect most common features in our phone cam are already there and something can give more and not less. Image quality and effects are also arguable since most can be achieved in post processing.
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are you seriously using the term retina display for a high resolution display?
you my friend is a victim of marketing gimmick shakehead.gif

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