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miaopurr
post Nov 26 2012, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Nov 26 2012, 10:21 AM)
there is this dual pumps which has co2 and normal hand pump... but they are heavier than usual hand pumps and quite misses the point of using co2 in the first place...
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i have one of those. not that heavy la. my crankbros handpump is heavier. if i'm out of co2 canister, i can always use the handpump function. also, it's best to bring patch kits on ur ride. i only bring 1 tube, 1 canister, 1 dual function pump, and some patch kits.
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post Nov 26 2012, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(mrjgx @ Nov 26 2012, 10:29 AM)
I got dropped because there is a couple of short hills to climb..nevertheless it was a good experience..

Yes 40kmh on a group you don't feel it that much..but I believe my 32T cassette is the culprit for extra power drained.. especially I got passed even on a descend section..so more energy spent there when the speed is excessing 50kmh trying to keep up with the group..

All in all perhaps 40kmh is not at my comfort level yet..30kmh is no issue. I never ride hard and fast before..all this while in KL I only climb and climb and that's pretty slow tongue.gif

Let see if 40kmh is an easy feat once I fix the 11-23T soon
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hills.

peloton group tend to go faster during hills climb! doh.gif doh.gif

it's where i mostly dropped!!

those cyclist's lung are not human 1... uphills still can pump 40kmh..... so, be mental, physical n lung ready next time... haha
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post Nov 26 2012, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Nov 26 2012, 10:31 AM)
i have one of those. not that heavy la. my crankbros handpump is heavier. if i'm out of co2 canister, i can always use the handpump function. also, it's best to bring patch kits on ur ride. i only bring 1 tube, 1 canister, 1 dual function pump, and some patch kits.
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all wrong... best to bring your other half driving a car following behind so if shit happens... dismount, mount the bike onto rack and hitch a ride home...

QUOTE(vin_ann @ Nov 26 2012, 10:46 AM)
those cyclist's lung are not human 1... uphills still can pump 40kmh..... so, be mental, physical n lung ready next time... haha
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everytime you get dropped... you scream at them at the top of your lungs "dopers" and get yourself motivated tongue.gif


Added on November 26, 2012, 11:01 am
QUOTE(mrjgx @ Nov 26 2012, 10:29 AM)

Let see if 40kmh is an easy feat once I fix the 11-23T soon
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i doubt the cassette has anything much to do with the fact that you are getting dropped... the 23t will only let you find a more suitable gearing tagging along and most of the time riding that fast... the cogs on the 32t is almost as close as the 23t with moderate jumps at least 3 cogs into the cassette and it gets wild 6 cogs in...

11-12-13-14-15-16-17-19-21-23
11-12-13-15-17-19-22-25-28-32
see the relation... 40kph would mostly be running a cog as small as a 12 or 14 tooth in the big ring depending on your cadence...

try to ride more at your limit to improve your threshold by doing intervals and stuff... then start lifting your base endurance levels by doing long rides at moderate to high speeds...

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post Nov 26 2012, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Nov 26 2012, 10:55 AM)
everytime you get dropped... you scream at them at the top of your lungs "dopers" and get yourself motivated  tongue.gif
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post Nov 26 2012, 11:08 AM

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this should give you a clearer picture

a 23t cassette
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a 32t cassette
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Added on November 26, 2012, 11:11 amfast & short burst uphills is mostly where wide range cassettes see their downfall... as the speeds are too fast... you have to deal with either a gear too light and you spin your legs until it dislocates or you push a gear to heavy and set your legs on fire...


Added on November 26, 2012, 11:13 am
QUOTE(miaopurr @ Nov 26 2012, 11:05 AM)
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must be too haram that it cannot be seen...

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post Nov 26 2012, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Nov 26 2012, 11:08 AM)
must be too haram that it cannot be seen...
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post Nov 26 2012, 11:47 AM

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Woah...thanks for the info dude. The difference surely is very minimal at that speed. How come I always think that the cassette could play a big thing in suiting difference terrain..I guess it's true for climbing, but on the flat it's pretty much the same..

But what you said is kinda true when facing a short burst hills..initially I thought I'm having the advantage in climbing section..boy I was wrong..others are pulling away and keep their distance with steady pedaling while I'm with a more cadence to keep up..those peloton they will try hard to maintain their speed constantly even on a climb so they put in like 150% to 200% effort on climb...

But then again..my fitness is another factor and that's one thing I need to improve..Owh btw, i hate strong gusty headwind more than climbing up hills tongue.gif


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post Nov 26 2012, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(mrjgx @ Nov 26 2012, 11:47 AM)
Woah...thanks for the info dude. The difference surely is very minimal at that speed. How come I always think that the cassette could play a big thing in suiting difference terrain..I guess it's true for climbing, but on the flat it's pretty much the same..

But what you said is kinda true when facing a short burst hills..initially I thought I'm having the advantage in climbing section..boy I was wrong..others are pulling away and keep their distance with steady pedaling while I'm with a more cadence to keep up..those peloton they will try hard to maintain their speed constantly even on a climb so they put in like 150% to 200% effort on climb...

But then again..my fitness is another factor and that's one thing I need to improve..Owh btw, i hate strong gusty headwind more than climbing up hills tongue.gif
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you do have an advantage if you face long steep sections of inclines where the speed does not fluctuate too much...

but then when it comes to hills short enough and there is some pundits in the group who decides to attack off the front.. you might get screwed trying to follow it... best thing to do in this situation is remain calm and lift your pace gradually... if you can close it, you close it... else if the climb is so short... bridge during the short downhill... or just ride enough that you hang onto the coattail of the group...jus beware of not overspending yourself or you have to wait longer to recover your breath at the top of the climb...

i sometimes ride kesas too... on the way back from sri petaling there is this short yet not steep incline before puchong interchange.. and this buffoons i ride with always punch it during that section... which i don't see the point why unless it is a competition from that point onwards as it breaks up the entire group... if they are not trying to compete each other to the line... then it is quite pointless as they have to slowdown after that to regroup... and then deal with riders who got whacked trying to chase them down...

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post Nov 26 2012, 12:42 PM

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Halooo!
I'm planning on 'pusing-pusing' Malaysia using bicycle with a friend.

Do every highway in Malaysia allow bicycle?
Also I hope you guys can give tips for us.
We only use standard bikes, not expensive one. Hehe.
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post Nov 26 2012, 12:50 PM

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Ok, good da morning? Question from a noob?

My statistic.
Clocked 200+ km on my bike. Over 1 yr period. Rain no ride, storm coming out no ride, windy no ride, no chicks-got ride la, and Tonto/ Silver is my trusted frens.

I have a 11:25 and 39: 53 configuration.

I got a simple cateye wireless meter, tat shows top speed, avg. Speed and distance and odo type, wish Ah Wong at unker's place can skinned my pocket then for the type with cadence n gradient one.
Interested to know the level I am at present, and to make progress or up to speed in joining group rides in the hopeful future.

Thank you for the speed and cadence chart, I can now tell that my average comfortable cadence is 60 rpm base on my hilly climb on my lowest gear @ 11kmh.
I start off with abt 50 rpm so a slight improvement over the months brows.gif
So wats next for me with regard to cadence, sifu here? Endurance is another story la. icon_question.gif

I want to set out for some steep slope to test my limit, but no gradient meter, no telling if I will be equip for Wan Teng Sampah one fine day. thumbup.gif
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post Nov 26 2012, 12:51 PM

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actually... all main roads prohibits bicycles by law if i am not wrong... expressway is a definite no-no for bicycles as you will be chased out by the police if you are seen in any expressways...
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post Nov 26 2012, 01:02 PM

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Using 'jalan kampung' will be much more adventurous.

I wonder how other people commute with bike... :/
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post Nov 26 2012, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(Mac Wai @ Nov 26 2012, 12:50 PM)
I got a simple cateye wireless meter, tat shows top speed, avg. Speed and distance and odo type, wish Ah Wong at unker's place can skinned my pocket then for the type with cadence n gradient one.
nanti you merajuk he waste your money pulak...

QUOTE(Mac Wai @ Nov 26 2012, 12:50 PM)
Interested to know the level I am at present, and to make progress or up to speed in joining group rides in the hopeful future.
ride lots... nothing beats that...

when it comes the time you ride with a group.. you might realize that you are not up for the fight...but no problem as long as you have the will to fight another day...

fast rides is always about riding out of your skin and away from your comfort zone... it's a torture fest as they say and by riding at your limit.. you progressively get better as your body adapts...

QUOTE(Mac Wai @ Nov 26 2012, 12:50 PM)
I want to set out for some steep slope to test my limit, but no gradient meter, no telling if I will be equip for Wan Teng Sampah one fine day. thumbup.gif
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the gradient calculation has no use in actual fact... personally, i think at least 70% of the time it is a useless thing to have especially on routes that you have traveled hundreds of times... you practically know where it pitches up and flattens out by your knowledge of the terrain...

gradient does not calculate the immediate steepness where you are riding but the past 30 or 50 meters depending on the altimeter sampling rate and the speed you are traversing at... in fact, i think the data makes no sense to a lot of people...


Added on November 26, 2012, 1:15 pm
QUOTE(apisthetic @ Nov 26 2012, 01:02 PM)
Using 'jalan kampung' will be much more adventurous.
if you don't get lost...

QUOTE(apisthetic @ Nov 26 2012, 01:02 PM)
I wonder how other people commute with bike... :/
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they just do it... normal roads like MRR2 or LDP they don't really stop you...

NKVE and NSE... prepare to be sounded by sirens...

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post Nov 26 2012, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Nov 26 2012, 01:13 PM)
if you don't get lost...
they just do it... normal roads like MRR2 or LDP they don't really stop you...

NKVE and NSE... prepare to be sounded by sirens...
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i think only PLUS hiways and those hiways with separate motorcycle lane

NKVE and NSE are under PLUS

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post Nov 26 2012, 01:20 PM

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motorcycle lane does not equate to bicycle lanes...

in fact, i think you may notice some motorcycle lanes have sign boards that shows no bicycles allowed...

i don't think nkve or nse has motor lanes...they don't even have much room for emergency lanes let alone motor lane

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post Nov 26 2012, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Nov 26 2012, 01:13 PM)
the gradient calculation has no use in actual fact... personally, i think at least 70% of the time it is a useless thing to have especially on routes that you have traveled hundreds of times... you practically know where it pitches up and flattens out by your knowledge of the terrain...

gradient does not calculate the immediate steepness where you are riding but the past 30 or 50 meters depending on the altimeter sampling rate and the speed you are traversing at... in fact, i think the data makes no sense to a lot of people...
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i don't really understand the point of gradient data, other than just for info.


Added on November 26, 2012, 1:21 pm
QUOTE(butthead @ Nov 26 2012, 01:20 PM)
motorcycle lane does not equate to bicycle lanes...

in fact, i think you may notice some motorcycle lanes have sign boards that shows no bicycles allowed...
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really? didn't know that. where?


Added on November 26, 2012, 1:25 pm
QUOTE(butthead @ Nov 26 2012, 01:20 PM)
i don't think nkve or nse has motor lanes...they don't even have much room for emergency lanes let alone motor lane
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i meant, bicycles are not allowed on PLUS hiways.

and those hiways with separate motorcycle lanes like federal n kesas. bicycles need to use motorcycle lanes.

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post Nov 26 2012, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Nov 26 2012, 01:21 PM)
i don't really understand the point of gradient data, other than just for info.
2 circumstances...

one is to let you know what sort of steepness you just passed so that you can judge what is in front from visual perception...

the other is some situations where you are riding on false flats... and you somehow think you are on level roads based on visual perception which can sometimes play havoc when you are riding through lots of rolling hills and you find yourself taking lots of effort to ride or increase speed... the gradient lets you know that you are either inclining or running on flat lands...

sort of like the speed pace arrow.. just for altimeter...

QUOTE(miaopurr @ Nov 26 2012, 01:21 PM)

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really? didn't know that. where?
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can't really remembered... but i think federal one of the motor lane entry points on the PJ interchanges have it...not very sure... but i am quite sure i've seen it before...




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post Nov 26 2012, 01:33 PM

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Heart rate monitor is the most important thing..gradient...nah..I dont have gradient meter but I'm damn glad I have a heart rate monitor..

Although some might saying a power meter is the definite training tools compare to heart rate as our heart rate is not constant as it depends on a lot of other factors, such as temperatures, your body liquid, etc etc.

As for me, HRM is pretty good enough..I'm no pro. And a power meter is too expensive and out of my reach..
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PLUS is important, it connects many negeri. Same thing goes to LPT.
A bit worry lah for West Side of Peninsular.
East Side got no problem with bicycle so far.
Maybe I should pusing pusing East Side first then all of them.

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QUOTE(butthead @ Nov 26 2012, 01:28 PM)
2 circumstances...

one is to let you know what sort of steepness you just passed so that you can judge what is in front from visual perception...

the other is some situations where you are riding on false flats... and you somehow think you are on level roads based on visual perception which can sometimes play havoc when you are riding through lots of rolling hills and you find yourself taking lots of effort to ride or increase speed... the gradient lets you know that you are either inclining or running on flat lands...

sort of like the speed pace arrow.. just for altimeter...
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if the legs are screaming, then the gradient must be going up. at that point, just scream back "shut up legs!" and continue pedalling.....


Added on November 26, 2012, 1:37 pm
QUOTE(apisthetic @ Nov 26 2012, 01:33 PM)
PLUS is important, it connects many negeri. Same thing goes to LPT.
A bit worry lah for West Side of Peninsular.
East Side got no problem with bicycle so far.
Maybe I should pusing pusing East Side first then all of them.
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r u on touring bike?

This post has been edited by miaopurr: Nov 26 2012, 01:37 PM

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