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Photography The Official Nikon Discussion Thread Ver.18, D5200 announced, what next? D400?

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post Nov 28 2012, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 28 2012, 06:28 PM)
sure got.
i guess this will be somewhat a mini-D4...seeing as how both D600 and D800 dont fill that niche.

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/11/27/lets-tal...spx/#more-49214

Added on November 28, 2012, 6:35 pm

fotokem are trying to clear remaining stocks of D5100 before the D5200 arrives sometime dec / jan.
the D5200 arguably can be called a mini D7000...and definitely better than either D3200 or D5100.
since ur going next yr, no harm waiting a month or two more.
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post Nov 28 2012, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Nov 28 2012, 03:39 PM)
Yes, that's the advantage of Nikon. When you mount DX lens on full frame camera, there is a CROP Mode, where your 18mm DX lens will become 27mm due to the Crop Mode, this is because the lens cannot utilize the full frame sensor area. Hence, a DX lens.

As for image quality, can't comment because I have no experience using both and compare. But FX lens are more expensive and when mount on DX, it should give better result because it's utilizing the centre area which is usually the strength of the lens. The problem is when you mount on DX body, 24mm will become 36mm which is no longer wide.

Built quality, feel wise, I believe the D600 bundled lens will be much better. Perhaps when you try and feel both you will know. Besides, aperture wise, the bundled lens for D600 is f/3.5 to f/4.5, plus it's a refresh of the older yet very good 24-85mm f/3.5-4 AF-D.
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Thank you for the explanation sifu notworthy.gif
I still get quite a long focal length range when I attach the 18-105mm to the D600 right? haha laugh.gif
Sorry for the noob questions~

I have no idea what lens to get even if I get the D600 also doh.gif


Added on November 28, 2012, 10:05 pm
QUOTE(stan001 @ Nov 28 2012, 03:09 PM)
Let me "try" to answer this questions in my humble opinion...  biggrin.gif

Kit lens are "usually" sold to first time DSLR buyer... and I think Nikon is targeting D600 to first time DSLR FX users or users upgrading from DX to FX body... ( or people with lots of dough and no dunno where to spend it...  whistling.gif  )

The lens zoom range is too subjective and depends on your requirements, do you shoot more landscape, portraits, birds or everything in between...

If the zoom range fit your budget/requirements, then buy the kit, or else just get the body only and buy the lens or a few lens to fit your budget/spending/requirements...

Goto http://www.mylensdb.com/ and do your own comparison la...

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Thank you for the reply too sifu notworthy.gif
I would love to have a lens for everything (like the 18-105mm one I already have haha) tongue.gif

Thanks for the link, will look into it, and hopefully I will not be the noob who spent money for the "wrong" lenses notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

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umm DX is x1.5 and FX is actual...is it saying that DX is better then FX if i use it to take picture for landscape? but for close range like food it will be blur?
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Well said...

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post Nov 28 2012, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(tongweng @ Nov 28 2012, 10:20 PM)
umm DX is x1.5 and FX is actual...is it saying that DX is better then FX if i use it to take picture for landscape? but for close range like food it will be blur?
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DX, smaller sensor size.

- cheaper cost
- sharper DOF? i mean won't easy blur for close range....
- need more time to let light go in sensor compare to FX, but with current body high ISO performance no need worry la. only i need worry unsure.gif
- lesser bokeh because crop sensor.

that's why you see this video, handphone one... sharper a lot because sensor is smaller tongue.gif


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post Nov 29 2012, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 28 2012, 06:28 PM)
sure got.
i guess this will be somewhat a mini-D4...seeing as how both D600 and D800 dont fill that niche.

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/11/27/lets-tal...spx/#more-49214

Added on November 28, 2012, 6:35 pm

fotokem are trying to clear remaining stocks of D5100 before the D5200 arrives sometime dec / jan.
the D5200 arguably can be called a mini D7000...and definitely better than either D3200 or D5100.
since ur going next yr, no harm waiting a month or two more.
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I'm goin end of February next year.thanks for the advice.didnt realize that D5200 is coming out.might consider it if I could afford it.any roughly estimation on the cost?any idea what lense does it comes with?

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QUOTE(dzuan @ Nov 29 2012, 12:09 AM)
I'm goin end of February next year.thanks for the advice.didnt realize that D5200 is coming out.might consider it if I could afford it.any roughly estimation on the cost?any idea what lense does it comes with?
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seeing as D3200 body only is around rm1.7k...i assume D5200 body will be around rm2.1k.
lens if the typical 18-55, then add on roughly rm300 to that price...so rm2.4k...

i seen the D3200 with 18-105 kit, but imo its not worth the extra rm500+ over the 18-55 kit.
so even if the D5200 kit is offered with both options, the better buy is still with the 18-55.
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QUOTE(popcorn513 @ Nov 28 2012, 08:57 PM)
Lol sorry I newbie, I thought after zoom photo sharpness of the object will be better
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different aperture, probably yes smile.gif
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QUOTE(tongweng @ Nov 28 2012, 10:20 PM)
umm DX is x1.5 and FX is actual...is it saying that DX is better then FX if i use it to take picture for landscape? but for close range like food it will be blur?
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you don't understand it. DX or FX all has nothing to do with better pic for landscape or food or etc.

Get the fact right mate. Maybe this chart will help.

Read more here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_sensor_format

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QUOTE(tongweng @ Nov 28 2012, 10:20 PM)
umm DX is x1.5 and FX is actual...is it saying that DX is better then FX if i use it to take picture for landscape? but for close range like food it will be blur?
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it would require us to write a very long article to explain this to you, but basically DX and FX refers to sensor size in the camera body. the difference between FX and DX is just a google away. pls google crop sensor vs full frame snsor. and u will understand straight away biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(PF T.J. @ Nov 28 2012, 10:01 PM)
Thank you for the explanation sifu notworthy.gif
I still get quite a long focal length range when I attach the 18-105mm to the D600 right? haha  laugh.gif
Sorry for the noob questions~

I have no idea what lens to get even if I get the D600 also  doh.gif


Added on November 28, 2012, 10:05 pm

Thank you for the reply too sifu notworthy.gif
I would love to have a lens for everything  (like the 18-105mm one I already have haha) tongue.gif

Thanks for the link, will look into it, and hopefully I will not be the noob who spent money for the "wrong" lenses  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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Me not sifu bro~
Forgot to mention to you, if you mount DX lens on FX body, it will use CROP Mode, so yes you will get same long focal length as when you attach to DX Body, BUT... it will not have 24MP file. Crop Mode will give you about 10.5MP (which is still good enough already). For D800, Crop Mode will give around 15.4MP file.

For the lens suggestions, if depends on your budget and what you want to use the camera for.
If you're shooting a lot in low light situations and want a versatile lens, and have the budget... Nikon 24-70mm f/2.8
If not, the 24-85mm f/3.5-4 is already very good for general use... (correction: new version should be f/3.5-4.5 G)
You can get a prime lens if you need one for low light and portraits.
It really depends on the purpose you want to use the camera for and your budget.

Also note that FX will have more shallow DOF, which means, if you use large aperture, you may notice harder to get more things in focus compare to smaller sensor, and you may also keep getting many OOF if you using very large aperture and you're not used to it yet.


QUOTE(tongweng @ Nov 28 2012, 10:20 PM)
umm DX is x1.5 and FX is actual...is it saying that DX is better then FX if i use it to take picture for landscape? but for close range like food it will be blur?
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Not really sure what you meant.
Basically, FX is larger sensor, means the Depth of Field (DOF) is more shallow, so it's harder to get more things in focus. So if you're shooting landscape, you may experience and notice less is in focus comparing to when you're using DX.
Like Agito mentioned, if you use a digital camera or handphone camera which has small sensor, you can simply take a photo and you many things will be in focus. A handphone camera, using f/2.8, you can also see many things in focus. BUT, it also depends how you see, whether you're pixel peeping on the overall image quality or just want to get something that's in focus and viewable on screen.

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Nov 29 2012, 11:03 AM)
Me not sifu bro~
Forgot to mention to you, if you mount DX lens on FX body, it will use CROP Mode, so yes you will get same long focal length as when you attach to DX Body, BUT... it will not have 24MP file. Crop Mode will give you about 10.5MP (which is still good enough already). For D800, Crop Mode will give around 15.4MP file.

For the lens suggestions, if depends on your budget and what you want to use the camera for.
If you're shooting a lot in low light situations and want a versatile lens, and have the budget... Nikon 24-70mm f/2.8
If not, the 24-85mm f/3.5-4 is already very good for general use...
You can get a prime lens if you need one for low light and portraits.
It really depends on the purpose you want to use the camera for and your budget.

Also note that FX will have more shallow DOF, which means, if you use large aperture, you may notice harder to get more things in focus compare to smaller sensor, and you may also keep getting many OOF if you using very large aperture and you're not used to it yet.
Not really sure what you meant.
Basically, FX is larger sensor, means the Depth of Field (DOF) is more shallow, so it's harder to get more things in focus. So if you're shooting landscape, you may experience and notice less is in focus comparing to when you're using DX.
Like Agito mentioned, if you use a digital camera or handphone camera which has small sensor, you can simply take a photo and you many things will be in focus. A handphone camera, using f/2.8, you can also see many things in focus. BUT, it also depends how you see, whether you're pixel peeping on the overall image quality or just want to get something that's in focus and viewable on screen.
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@bold : there is a version with f/2.8-4D wink.gif
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QUOTE(KTCY @ Nov 29 2012, 11:24 AM)
@bold : there is a version with f/2.8-4D wink.gif
better
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Oops, typo, the new G should be f/3.5-4.5. Thanks for reminding~

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QUOTE(KTCY @ Nov 29 2012, 11:24 AM)
@bold : there is a version with f/2.8-4D wink.gif
better
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Used to have that lens but sold if off last year. Now kinda regret already laugh.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(gnome @ Nov 29 2012, 02:32 PM)
Used to have that lens but sold if off last year. Now kinda regret already laugh.gif  tongue.gif
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Is a good lens. Sharp thru out the range brows.gif
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QUOTE(KTCY @ Nov 29 2012, 09:37 AM)
you don't understand it. DX or FX all has nothing to do with better pic for landscape or food or etc.

Get the fact right mate. Maybe this chart will help.

Read more here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_sensor_format

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not quite understand , but thanks for the explaination.. i need more time to digest all this thing


QUOTE(MrAkay @ Nov 29 2012, 10:09 AM)
it would require us to write a very long article to explain this to you, but basically DX and FX refers to sensor size in the camera body. the difference between FX and DX is just a google away. pls google crop sensor vs full frame snsor. and u will understand straight away  biggrin.gif
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hehe thanks for trying explaining it...i guess i need more time to get it understand since i am new to dslr user XD


Added on November 29, 2012, 10:58 pmanyone knows good reputation shop to buy camera? cause i still dunno where to get my dslr XD

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