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post May 1 2006, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 1 2006, 10:31 PM)
PTPTN does not give out loans to unaccredited courses. there's no other way around it, atleast not that i know of.

what do u mean by achieving minimum standards of LAN? it's either the course is accredited, or not. that's what matters to PTPTN. if it is accredited, regardless of minimum or outstanding, PTPTN WILL offer the loan to prospective students.

do check on the course accreditation at LAN's website. or just put the name of the course and also the university u're applying here, someone might be able to give a different advice.
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i had check the web but the name of the course is under the "List Of COurses (Approval and Minimum Standards) ".....i am plannin to go INTI college mAlaysia as i did my diploma here in INTI subang....The program is 3+0 Bradford UK, BEng Electrical and electronics engineering......
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QUOTE(ldhong @ May 1 2006, 09:38 PM)
i had check the web but the name of the course is under the "List Of COurses (Approval and Minimum Standards) ".....i am plannin to go INTI college mAlaysia as i did my diploma here in INTI subang....The program is 3+0 Bradford UK, BEng Electrical and electronics engineering......
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What is your diploma course name? It is hard for us to help you if you are unwilling to tell us. Without that course name, we just merely can tell you what we know.

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post May 2 2006, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(stevanistelrooy @ May 2 2006, 09:26 AM)
What is your diploma course name? It is hard for us to help you if you are unwilling to tell us. Without that course name, we just merely can tell you what we know.
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i had mention i did my diploma in engineering in INTI College subang jaya....Once again, i am doing my DIPLOMA IN ELECTRICAL AND ELECTRONICS ENGINEERING.....I had also said i am plannin to further my studies at INTI COllege Malaysia a ( 3+0 Uni. Bradford BEng in ELECTRICAL AND ELECTRONICS engineering) ..Are these infor enough??????
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QUOTE(ldhong @ May 2 2006, 03:14 PM)
i had mention i did my diploma in engineering in INTI College subang jaya....Once again, i am doing my DIPLOMA IN ELECTRICAL AND ELECTRONICS ENGINEERING.....I had also said i am plannin to further my studies at INTI COllege Malaysia a ( 3+0 Uni. Bradford BEng in ELECTRICAL AND ELECTRONICS engineering) ..Are these infor enough??????
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Your diploma is under PTPTN list. So nothing to be worried about. Your intended degree programs are also under PTPTN loan scheme. As for LAN, nothing to worries. If you works in private sector, most of them will not even bothered to ask.

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QUOTE(stevanistelrooy @ May 2 2006, 04:31 PM)
Your diploma is under PTPTN accreditated list. So nothing to be worried about. Your intended degree programs are also under PTPTN loan scheme. As for LAN, nothing to worries. If you works in private sector, most of them will not even bothered to ask.
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allrite, thx for helping me out notworthy.gif ....Thanks a lot....i will go apply ptptn for my degree studies
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post Jun 25 2006, 05:05 PM

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Is Unitar courses accredited by LAN... Is the certificate recognised worldwide? It is the quality not good?
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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jun 25 2006, 05:05 PM)
Is Unitar courses accredited by LAN... Is the certificate recognised worldwide? It is the quality not good?
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This are the courses that are accreditated by LAN for UNITAR

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CERTIFICATE OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY
(A 0268)  0188  17 SEPT 2001  18 SEPT 2001  17 SEPT 2006
CERTIFICATE OF BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION
(A 0269)  0189  17 SEPT 2001  18 SEPT 2001  17 SEPT 2006
FOUNDATION COURSE (MANAGEMENT)
(A 0499)  0336  16 AUG 2002  17 AUG 2002  16 AUG 2006
DIPLOMA IN INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY
(A 1268)  01219  19 DEC 2005  22 APR 2005  21 APR 2010
BACHELOR OF BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION
(A 0260)  0198  17 SEPT 2001  18 SEPT 2001  17 SEPT 2006
BACHELOR OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY (HONS)
(A 0259)  0214  26 NOV 2001  27 NOV 2001  26 NOV 2006
BACHELOR OF MANAGEMENT (HONS)
(A 0509)  0315  15 JUL 2002  16 JUL 2002  15 JUL 2007
BACHELOR OF INFORMATION SYSTEMS (HONS)
(A 0500)  0341  30 OCT 2002  11 AUG 2002  10 AUG 2007
MASTER OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY MANAGEMENT
(A 0257)  0197  15 OCT 2001  18 AUG 2001  17 AUG 2006
MASTER OF INFORMATION AND MULTIMEDIA TECHNOLOGY
(A 0256)  0196  15 OCT 2001  18 AUG 2001  17 AUG 2006
MASTER OF BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION
(A 0258)  0213  26 NOV 2001  18 AUG 2001  17 AUG 2006
MASTER OF BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION (ONLINE)
(A 0271)  0215  26 NOV 2001  18 AUG 2001  17 AUG 2006
DOCTOR OF PHILOSOPHY (MANAGEMENT) BY RESEARCH
(A 1154)  01113  22 AUG 2005  07 JAN 2005  06 JAN 2010
Course Name(Axxxx) ->Serial Number->Accreditation Date->Accreditation Start->Accreditation Ends

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post Jun 26 2006, 08:59 PM

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Wat does tat mean with Accredition ends? Mean the assesment of the courses are completed or the accredition have to renew again? Is LAN only does matter if u want to work in govt sector?
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QUOTE(stevanistelrooy @ Feb 28 2006, 10:57 AM)
It seems not that fair to the 1st batch to the student who take the degree ain't ? Hmm, so much trouble for taking a non-accreditated programmes really sweat.gif
After all, they are the benchmark for the coming batch. One get and one doesn't get.
After all, theytook the risk to  choose the new course which is relatively new to the country and which might be usefull in future.
Now I see what you meant.
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I noticed that most of you are concerning of LAN or any accreditation issues, why can;'t you look into the quality of your studies, and is the program really help you in long run?
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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jun 26 2006, 08:59 PM)
Wat does tat mean with Accredition ends? Mean the assesment of the courses are completed or the accredition have to renew again? Is LAN only does matter if u want to work in govt sector?
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QUOTE(juliangoh @ Jun 26 2006, 09:02 PM)
I noticed that most of you are concerning of LAN or any accreditation issues, why can;'t you look into the quality of your studies, and is the program really help you in long run? 
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Yes, I understood what you said. But then, we don't how, when or where our future is. Some of us might ends up with government agencies. And they looks into it.
And this is because, some of us afraid that the courses that they are currently taking is "Paper Terbang", where you don't trust them and their teaching stuff. wink.gif
There are many other issues that are more important that all of us must acknowledge, not only LAN accreditation.
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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jun 26 2006, 08:59 PM)
Wat does tat mean with Accredition ends? Mean the assesment of the courses are completed or the accredition have to renew again? Is LAN only does matter if u want to work in govt sector?
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accreditation assessment does not apply forever. look at it as a method of keeping track that what they teach/education that they give in those institutions are according to the standard that have been set by the industry (which includes both government and private). although LAN is government, the assessment of each courses are conducted by respected professionals (both gvment and private). once they agree that everything offered is in order, they'll award accreditation.

accreditation is a tedious process, where the assessors will have to go through each and every detail they have. this includes going through virtually every paper submitted by students, projects, exams, exam questions, group works, presentation and so on. accreditation is only valid for 5 years. after that, the institution is responsible to renew it, by setting up another assessment for their school to get accreditation for the next 5 years.

and so on, and so forth. it's a check and balance system. imagine ur parents checking up on ur homework every 5 hours...

QUOTE(juliangoh @ Jun 26 2006, 09:02 PM)
I noticed that most of you are concerning of LAN or any accreditation issues, why can;'t you look into the quality of your studies, and is the program really help you in long run? 
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i think u'd have to acknowledge the fact that all sponsors and loans in malaysia requires the students to enrol into accredited courses. that was the primary concern of most whom discussed in this particular thread. i'm sure if they have the money they'd be studying atleast in australia by now.

also, the main concern with most students going to tertiery education is that they are not aware of the standards of education. PMR, SPM, STPM is all the same everywhere. so as A-levels, matrics, int. baccalaurette etc. but law in UIA is definitely different from UM. architecture in LUCT is of totally different standard from UTM. the question that pops to their mind is, "why is it different? cant u have one standard for all? will i learn more here or there? what about job prospects?" etc.

i'm sure u're aware of all these questions.
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If the LAN expired,will it be dangerous?Scare no one recognised the certificate.How about Curtin
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dangerous? no it wont kill u if that's what u think.

lets say u will finish ur degree in 2007. the school accreditation expires in 2006. if the school did not get themselves reaccredited, u'll find urself graduating with a non-accredited degree. in such cases, it will REALLY depends on ur seniors' reputation.

if they have good reputation, it'll be easier for u to get a job. but i cant say the same if u want to continue ur studies (ie, diploma -> degree).
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I see and thanks for your clarification. Seniors reputation you mean those seniors that graduated from that uni is it?


One more question. Is double major courses offered by Curtin approve by LAN?

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Anybody answer please
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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Jul 3 2006, 12:30 PM)
I see and thanks for your clarification. Seniors reputation you mean those seniors that graduated from that uni is it?
One more question. Is double major courses offered by Curtin approve by LAN?
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check at www.lan.gov.my if it is there,then it is accredited,if not sorry man
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what courses that is acredited by LAN in UTAR? smoneone knows please tell me..
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Mar 3 2006, 07:59 AM)
what stevan said is generally true. although PTPTN only give out study loans to LAN accredited courses only. that's why non-accredited courses are cheaper. they had to. if not, no one will apply to their courses. it's partly a marketing strategy.

in my opinion, non-accredited courses isnt that bad. but there are a bunch which are just there to prey upon unsuspecting students. to be safe, my opinion is that u apply to courses that have been there for several years with several batches of graduates. try and get opinions from them about the course and job availability.

some courses are quite good despite not having accredited by LAN. they do this by catering EXACTLY what the industry needs, but usually foregoes other stuff like research and development.
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It's not true that PTPTN gives out loans to accredited programmes ONLY.

Although PTPTN announced that they will only give out loans for accredited programmes only from July 2006 submission onwards, there have been cases where they do provide PTPTN loan to courses that has minimum standards.

You have rightly pointed out that even very well run programmes that has minimum standard approval can't get accreditation until they have run the full programme (they have final year students graduating).

However, LAN does give out provisional accreditation, for minimum standards. This is recognised by PTPTN. They do provide loans for courses that receive provisional accreditation, even for those courses that have been recently approved with minimum standards.

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QUOTE(beepurple @ Aug 15 2006, 02:33 PM)
what courses that is acredited by LAN in UTAR? smoneone knows please tell me..
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Simple, just check the LAN website. www.lan.gov.my

Do note that UTAR is a relatively new university and may not have many accredited programmes. But they have provisional accreditation anyway....which allows for PTPTN loan applications.

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How do i know whether an overseas degree is approved by LAN or JPA?
Also, how to get the correspondance letter from LAN/JPA? How to apply for that? Pls help icon_question.gif

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