also that 3% lifesteal passive also..

Lol.. barb here yes mighty belt had LS but depends ur build also if high dps low IAS LS can't work well, if u hav LS also need LOH to backup...

Could you count how many times I died when we play MP9 @ A3 last night?
I tested the LS with MoC.

LS is still not optimal for my build. I still need LOH as base life recovery.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Nov 12 2012, 04:00 PM

then can i say that life steal is good for a 100K+ DPS barb but not so good for a 100k+ DPS monk?

Barb life steal can go up to 12% (6% weapon + 3% belt + 3% passive) but monk only max at 6% weapon.

if both crit 200k damage:
barb = 200K * 12% * 20% = 4800 LS
monk = 200K * 6% * 20% = 2400 LS

am i calculated correctly?

This post has been edited by dreaming: Nov 12 2012, 04:39 PM

woooo~ 93k DPS with 964RA, 7.1k armor with 5.6% LS also die a lot?! you play in lazy mode or what?

since LS not suitable for your play-style, sell cheap cheap to me... k?

i haven't upgrade any gear for a loooong time...

Yes the calculation is correct.

But due to the nature of monk play style vs barb play style, we had to stand and whack where barb just throw/spin around. They definitely had more advantage.

I have little trouble in mp8/9 farming for keys with most mobs with my new gear setup, just once in awhile you meet stupid packs that my lifesteal and dps can't cover.

Pretty much can stand in desecration/molten/plague at the same time but if theres reflect damage in there I have to move out due to my lifesteal not covering the reflect damage. Can still stand there and facetank mobs. Still a long way before I hit 200k unbuffed and maintaining decent defensive stats.

http://d3up.com/b/93141 if you'd like to see my setup for doing ubers or farming keys.

Yeah, I used the lazy mode.

I have only 5.93K armor.
The 7.1K armor you saw is the buffed armor with MoE.
Just to test the different mantras and the coefficient of LS.

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Added on November 12, 2012, 4:53 pmTry to increase your LS to 5.5% or above.
Your DPS may drop 20-30K.
But it's ok. We just want to know whether LS works better with 150K DPS or not.

I can contribute another LS gear, just for testing purpose.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Nov 12 2012, 04:53 PM

yup. luckily monk have serenity. if 1 day lizzard nerf this skill then we all can gg close this threat..

i commented about 100K DPS similar to this problems a few weeks back..in this thread..doing MP10 SK+Magda..

100k DPS...or should i say my dual wield 125K DPS..unbuffed (not plus MOC skills yet)..with 1500 LOH + 5LS....the main problem i have was....yes..when u first hit elites....u are like the boss..seems ur life is not draining down at all....but the problem occurs when they start spamming their skills..which is surprisingly arcane is not a main problem..but when descreator ...running molten...reflects dmg ...plaque or large AOE skills comes into play..with AR just 600....i feel its quite weak..i mean seems like the life pool drained down pretty fast...

its like ..."man im like the boss here....errrk!!..wadafak??!!...why suddenly die?..so fast?!!!...didnt see that coming??!!"...my conclusion at that time..was maybe i need more life...maybe >45HP would be better ...also maybe its my armor..that is around 5.5K only thats effected my survivability..

therefore like i said b4..i changed back to shield.....its slowed down the life pool decrement a lot better in the AOE dmg situation...

p/s: n i just cant brain doing higher MP without the help of LOH..i donno but thats my result i get from my experiment...some ppl with lower AR + Armor..n only LS can do this?...donno man maybe im a noob of some kind...mine was 125K man plus help from LOH n LS...is it not on par with a 150k dps?.....donno man..

This post has been edited by sangtupperware: Nov 12 2012, 05:07 PM

I have an echoing fury with some LS, but it's with my friend right now. Basically my LS is fine for most shit bar some stupid reflect damage + fast + molten + something pack where my echoing fury just makes it worse. And you do need a certain amount of LS to make it worthwhile, I'd say above 90k dps unbuffed is pretty ok if you have 2.5%+ LS and not doing MP10 obviously, and have decent EHP. As stated by other posts, getting a high dps weapon with good stats and LS or LoH is pretty expensive, LS being more sought after in higher dps scenarios but if you can afford it, why not get both as long you don't sacrifice dps.

Yeah, in higher MP difficulties, more HP always the better answer, so you don't get 1 shotted. Having decent armour and resists helps but HP gives better EHP overall and how it works with the life % makes it very worth while to get more vit, since if you can survive the hit, your high DPS will leech all your life lost pretty fast, except in some cases like reflect damage + something



Pretty much doable except for stupid packs as I said, I was doing mp10 while carrying a friend, just clearing to azmodan, didn't have much problems with most packs. That is with my old gear, have not tried doing mp10 with my new gears. Also there are times you can't just facetank, for example reflect damage + whatever, have to time cooldowns, walk away, then come back and kill it depending on how fast you can kill.

This post has been edited by Slythape: Nov 12 2012, 05:07 PM

I rather sacrifice dps to have the survival gear. That is why I am having a hard time pushing myself up beyond 70k dps. My next upgrade will be +CD +IAS and any gear I touch would results in reducing of my unbuff-non STI armor.

unless I had enough budget for a 1k+dps socketed +80%CD LS LoH which I don't, I can only hope for a farm drop.

*activating monk's prayer skill*

I didn't even test MP10 at the time.
Just tested the pure LS weapons at MP9. A lot of pain.
I know it couldn't generate enough life recovery because I could do better after I swapped back the LOH gears.

I did the test because I know i need to drop LOH if I wanna go higher DPS & better weapons.
It is easier to get LS weapons (as compared to 900+ LOH weapons).

Any 150K DPS monks who want to test the coefficient of LS? Ghom @ MP10 or a field run?

until now i havent farmed or bought a decent LS weapon. too exp le.

Normally you won't face issue with damage reflection if you have sufficient LOH/LS.

Try add another 2.5-3% LS and share with us how it goes.

I can come test it out if I'm free, add me Slythape#1514

Also I don't think its feasible for me to drop like 30k+ dps for another lifesteal weapon, as I don't have billions of gold to get a good wep with lifesteal. Pretty much the thing I had to do when facing these packs is just wait for my cooldowns then go back and hit them, nothing hard really.

This post has been edited by Slythape: Nov 12 2012, 05:19 PM

Yeap, i'll add you when i go home tonight.

Lol as long u was tested the situation recover HP from LS n LOH different

y my barb main weapon going LS n oh weapon going LOH i hav meaning for barb 100k dps v 2%IAS wwt build, throw weapon fall from elite include FD n fear on hit using LS recover my HP, cos they not show LS per hit, just LS only v donno when v hit LS wil cover ur HP..... tat is the point


OH weapon im going LOH cos ww spinning must using tat,LOH recover HP count by per hit crit...

Monk different mostly going FOT +SW need more LOH then LS, my monk not high dps they 53k dps only even 100k dps i prefer all going to LOH better then LS, if hav high LOH n high IAS for my monk more comfortable... tat is my opinion..

Pretty much LS is better than LoH at higher gear levels and LoH is better for lower gear levels.
You said if someone has high LoH and high attack speed, its the same for lifesteal really, its all about whether you can afford the weapons

This post has been edited by Slythape: Nov 12 2012, 08:05 PM

Yes u right if high dpser high IAS the LS work well but u donno LS per hit or LS per few hit, just show LS %only in weapon , this very kful im concern tat ...

LOH sure im understand....

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Added on November 12, 2012, 8:55 pm[quote=present me,Nov 12 2012, 09:50 PM]
Yes u right if high dpser high IAS the LS work well but u donno LS per hit or LS per few hit, just show LS %only in weapon , this very kful im concern tat ...

LOH sure im understand....


Weapon can effort depends ur plyer demand, if hav extra gold wan 1k dps weapon sure over150m to 350m or about... also build decent dpser n defensive balance


This post has been edited by present me: Nov 12 2012, 08:55 PM