QUOTE(munak991 @ Jun 4 2013, 09:29 PM)
Soon. Need to check bank account. Your replacement will come with it!PC Audio HiVi / SWAN - Active Speakers (Version 2015), Back and Active
PC Audio HiVi / SWAN - Active Speakers (Version 2015), Back and Active
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Jun 4 2013, 10:14 PM
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Jun 4 2013, 10:42 PM
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Jun 5 2013, 12:09 AM
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QUOTE(munak991 @ Jun 4 2013, 08:40 AM) Well.. Nowadays usually use RMS unless its those rubbish gimmick PMPO cheapo speaker. This is Marketing strategies..../ gemmick usually you buy HHD, they state, storage size up to 32GB, but actually can store exactly 32GB So for speaker, Can support up to 40W(usually 40W is Peak not RMS) Sooo, nothing is perfect, sometimes words is description as compare to real time it is totally different QUOTE(jchong @ Jun 4 2013, 08:41 AM) Don't think it is as simple as that. The RMS rating is the speaker's internal amp rating. The ultimate playback volume is dependent on the RMS rating plus also the output signal fed by soundcard. Why always point at the sound card manufacturers? Cant stop pointing fingers please.In your example how loud is 40W of continuous sound playback? Do you know by listening if it has reached 40W of continuous sound playback? I guess the manufacturer's should use a different measure for the specification. Using the Watts rating is not very clear and people can misunderstand. A speaker can meet the watts spec and yet be overdriven due to not careful use of the volume knob. This applies whether to multimedia speakers or even hifi speakers. The main thing is that loudness is measured in dB not watts. Anyway, to do what you suggested (regardless whichever brands of soundcard or signal input being used) the maker would probably need to incorporate a limiter in their design. This is not a common feature, maybe quite costly? Like I said, I don't give a damn whether I'm using an internal sound card or the uber expensive xonar series. It's not my job nor responsibility to govern what Asus designed. What's been done is done. Now, the problem lies with speaker manufacturer. How much safety zone do they leave when they were designing the system. That's the point. It's easy (for example, Hivi high end speakers) to just take TI LM3886 which Ti claimed continuous 68w output. Hivi rated them 60w and if your sound card happened to output signal that's slightly higher than Hivi test environment, and overload the amplifier, its your fault. How can it be your fault when Hivi basically designed them to be used as multimedia speaker which are connected to the pc like it was meant to be and yet having problem like overloading the amp or driver(even if its intentionally run at 100% volume on both speaker n sound card). QUOTE(CyntrixTech @ Jun 4 2013, 09:21 PM) If the speaker is sold as an active speaker with a certain rated output and connectivity, it is meant to be connected with only the included connectivity and used within the specific restriction. Adding a Preamp, dialing it to max gain and then dialing the speaker to max is not using the active speaker appropriately. This is the same as buying a 2.0 i4 NA car and bolting a turbo to it. You void warranty immediately. However, that does not mean that the engine will not be able to withstand it. If every brand or manufacturer need to explain to every customer what they can and cannot do with any particular product, one would need a lawyer standing beside for every sale made. There would be a very long list of what you can and cannot do, and by the time you are half way through listening the "rules" you will end up just buying the product with the most vaguely spelled restriction. Exactly the same like graphic card warranty...does removing the heatsink void the warranty? Yes for some brands and No for the others. Just because the others say no doesn't mean there's no catch, it's just a matter of point of how deep someone wants to go into this sort of stuff. Don't get carried away. I said its acceptable to void the warranty given that I used it beyond what it was meant to, like adding a preamp.This post has been edited by andrekua2: Jun 5 2013, 12:14 AM |
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Jun 5 2013, 07:48 AM
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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Jun 5 2013, 12:09 AM) Why always point at the sound card manufacturers? Cant stop pointing fingers please. In the end a finger must be pointed somewhere - whether it is to sound card maker, speaker manufacturer or user error. Even you started by pointing finger at speaker manufacturer. To me, finger pointing is not wrong. Then only we can identify where is the issue and who should solve it. In your opinion finger should be pointed at speaker maker and they should bear responsibility for the issue. QUOTE Like I said, I don't give a damn whether I'm using an internal sound card or the uber expensive xonar series. It's not my job nor responsibility to govern what Asus designed. What's been done is done. Now, the problem lies with speaker manufacturer. How much safety zone do they leave when they were designing the system. That's the point. It's easy (for example, Hivi high end speakers) to just take TI LM3886 which Ti claimed continuous 68w output. Hivi rated them 60w and if your sound card happened to output signal that's slightly higher than Hivi test environment, and overload the amplifier, its your fault. How can it be your fault when Hivi basically designed them to be used as multimedia speaker which are connected to the pc like it was meant to be and yet having problem like overloading the amp or driver(even if its intentionally run at 100% volume on both speaker n sound card). I think the main flaw in your assumption is that any multimedia speaker is designed to "run at 100% volume on both speaker n sound card". I don't think they are designed that way. Anyway, answer to this is best left to the manufacturer since we don't know what and why are their design goals. You might not like the way the speakers might be overloaded, but it is a possibility for most multimedia speakers (not only Hivi) and only the manufacturers can tell u why. |
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Jun 5 2013, 08:59 AM
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This had been a wonderful discussion, but we have to drop it and move on at some point to give way to others.
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Jun 5 2013, 10:26 AM
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QUOTE(jchong @ Jun 5 2013, 07:48 AM) In the end a finger must be pointed somewhere - whether it is to sound card maker, speaker manufacturer or user error. Even you started by pointing finger at speaker manufacturer. Wow, Im impressed with this kind of mentality. Your product encountered problem, and you dont look at yourself, and rather point it somewhere. Why offer warranty then? Must just as well do without it because if its broken, you are not using it as it should be.To me, finger pointing is not wrong. Then only we can identify where is the issue and who should solve it. In your opinion finger should be pointed at speaker maker and they should bear responsibility for the issue. I think the main flaw in your assumption is that any multimedia speaker is designed to "run at 100% volume on both speaker n sound card". I don't think they are designed that way. Anyway, answer to this is best left to the manufacturer since we don't know what and why are their design goals. You might not like the way the speakers might be overloaded, but it is a possibility for most multimedia speakers (not only Hivi) and only the manufacturers can tell u why. |
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Jun 5 2013, 01:30 PM
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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Jun 5 2013, 10:26 AM) Wow, Im impressed with this kind of mentality. Your product encountered problem, and you dont look at yourself, and rather point it somewhere. Why offer warranty then? Must just as well do without it because if its broken, you are not using it as it should be. I will leave you to your own opinions. Only thing to add is that warranty protects against manufacturing defects. It does not cover misuse, abuse, user error, etc. |
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Jun 5 2013, 01:36 PM
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i just dont know how can ppl listen so loud??
I listen anything that passed 120db im deaf de |
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Jun 5 2013, 08:02 PM
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Guys bad news, my M50W is die, I bought from Heavyarm game store
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Jun 5 2013, 10:57 PM
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QUOTE(wim1983 @ Jun 5 2013, 08:02 PM) Guys bad news, my M50W is die, I bought from Heavyarm game store Sell of M50W, Get X6 |
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Jun 6 2013, 12:31 AM
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Jun 6 2013, 12:37 AM
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QUOTE(jchong @ Jun 5 2013, 01:30 PM) I will leave you to your own opinions. Only thing to add is that warranty protects against manufacturing defects. It does not cover misuse, abuse, user error, etc. This sums it all. QUOTE(wim1983 @ Jun 5 2013, 08:02 PM) Guys bad news, my M50W is die, I bought from Heavyarm game store Bring your receipt and speaker directly to us and we will identify and rectify the issue. |
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Jun 6 2013, 12:47 AM
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Jun 6 2013, 01:48 AM
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QUOTE(wim1983 @ Jun 6 2013, 12:47 AM) ya, tomoro I will travel to Subang Jaya Heavyarm, troublesome jor, the issue is straighforward, the sub is no power #1 - Burnt Fuse (very common if you are not using surge protector)#2 - Dead Amp #3 - Dead Transformer (rather uncommon) #4 - Dead Remote (if rear power indicator is lit, this is likely the faulty part) |
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Jun 6 2013, 08:02 AM
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QUOTE(CyntrixTech @ Jun 6 2013, 02:48 AM) #1 - Burnt Fuse (very common if you are not using surge protector) I got a surge protector, all other devices (CPU, Monitor) are ON, no burn signal#2 - Dead Amp #3 - Dead Transformer (rather uncommon) #4 - Dead Remote (if rear power indicator is lit, this is likely the faulty part) hmm, that it should be dead amp if I guess For dead remote, you mean the volume control right? I don't think so, coz the rear power indicator is OFF. |
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Jun 6 2013, 02:32 PM
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Jun 6 2013, 02:41 PM
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Jun 6 2013, 02:43 PM
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No worries we have the necessary parts to replace anything that may have failed. Please drop it off directly at our showroom on the 11th onwards
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Jun 6 2013, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE(CyntrixTech @ Jun 6 2013, 03:43 PM) No worries we have the necessary parts to replace anything that may have failed. Please drop it off directly at our showroom on the 11th onwards hmm, replace/repair/travel is a big concern, coz:if replace I need travel some distance, not to mention the speakers are damn heavy another concern I worry is what about warranty expired? I have to travel + spend + move speakers again That's why I suggest change another model, is it guarantee wont's happen after this repair of my M50W? I use a cheap BLUE THUNDER I for 10 years without any damage (with almost all time power ON), although SQ and stage wise it is not as good as M50W, but heat generated and durability much more better |
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