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Added on November 30, 2012, 11:36 pmBrought an M20W home today. I think this thing just destroyed Aego M. Very similar characteristic. Micro driver with perfect mid to upper range coherence. With the sub filling up the rest. For those who find the M50W on the warmer side, the M20W is the one to get.

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Then don't buy the m20w, it has the same characteristic but less bright and tighter bass. Aego m's sub rattle at higher output due to the cloth grill rattling like a drum.

M50W has a warmer sound signature. Same as m200mk ii/iii. You also won't like the t200b, its a more energetic speaker.

Everything is available but these are at my house now

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Added on December 1, 2012, 4:17 pmX6 not available this month. We have the x4 here. Didn't get to set it up. The crossover on the speakers look complicated at first glance. The speaker has a mono block in each of then just like h4, h5, and t200b

This is my 1st time getting my own set of speakers and I've already ordered Swans X4! That's a high jump.  

Currently no stock for X4 so I had to make backorder and wait until mid of January.

For now I don't own any dac or amp. Will only connects to onboard card. Planning to get one dedicated DAC. Can anyone suggest me a good DAC that will pair well w/ the X4? Doesnt matter portable or desktop DAC. My budget is around RM2k.

Thanks

You can audit them by visiting heavy arm bro

Bro, where did you get the Belden? Is it Belden 1311A?

U should try. Actually he TS got lots of good song de. He got the song that i got also so i comparing the sq with my car audio and im amaze

Go there empty handed TS also hardcore audiophile

Hi siles, pls don't turn up the volume too loud because if it gets broken because of consumer misuse then it will void the warranty.

you'll be surprised of how many products that can cause damage to itself if operated outside of their boundaries. Cars may blow their engine if idled in redline for too long, hairdryers may overheat with prolonged continuous use, handphone batteriss may explode if charged with an incompatible charger. Speakers are also
Bound by these rules, they may get broken if misused.

In the case of siles, he is using an external amplifier as a preamplifier that may, or may not, cause undue stress to the components well over its tolerance level.

I believe powered speakers will run well if driven to the max, provided they are not modified or amplified further from an external source. Manufacturers know what their speakers are capable of, and used amplifiers tailored to their specifications. But when other factors come in that may cause undue stress towards the components, this I believe shouldn't be covered in the warranty.

It may be easy to measure system specifications under controlled conditions, but with virtually unlimited possibilities out there to drive an audio chain of equipment, its only reasonable and fair that speakers that get damaged after being driven to excessive volumes/powers/gains are not covered in warranties. Here comes your question; how loud is too loud?

Don't know, as long as it doesn't damage the drivers. You want loud, go get a PA system. They go to hundreds of decibels. But that's another story.

Normally what is the performance standard rated by the manufacturer? I believe most manufacturers don't really state this.

Also as a user do you know what is the performance standard rated by the manufacturer?

When u say full volume, you mean volume control at the speaker? What about your PC volume control?

Well..
This is Marketing strategies..../ gemmick

usually you buy HHD, they state, storage size up to 32GB, but actually can store exactly 32GB

So for speaker,

Can support up to 40W(usually 40W is Peak not RMS)
Sooo, nothing is perfect, sometimes words is description as compare to real time it is totally different

Don't think it is as simple as that. The RMS rating is the speaker's internal amp rating. The ultimate playback volume is dependent on the RMS rating plus also the output signal fed by soundcard.

In your example how loud is 40W of continuous sound playback? Do you know by listening if it has reached 40W of continuous sound playback?
I guess the manufacturer's should use a different measure for the specification. Using the Watts rating is not very clear and people can misunderstand. A speaker can meet the watts spec and yet be overdriven due to not careful use of the volume knob. This applies whether to multimedia speakers or even hifi speakers. The main thing is that loudness is measured in dB not watts.

Anyway, to do what you suggested (regardless whichever brands of soundcard or signal input being used) the maker would probably need to incorporate a limiter in their design. This is not a common feature, maybe quite costly?

If the speaker is sold as an active speaker with a certain rated output and connectivity, it is meant to be connected with only the included connectivity and used within the specific restriction. Adding a Preamp, dialing it to max gain and then dialing the speaker to max is not using the active speaker appropriately. This is the same as buying a 2.0 i4 NA car and bolting a turbo to it. You void warranty immediately. However, that does not mean that the engine will not be able to withstand it. If every brand or manufacturer need to explain to every customer what they can and cannot do with any particular product, one would need a lawyer standing beside for every sale made. There would be a very long list of what you can and cannot do, and by the time you are half way through listening the "rules" you will end up just buying the product with the most vaguely spelled restriction. Exactly the same like graphic card warranty...does removing the heatsink void the warranty? Yes for some brands and No for the others. Just because the others say no doesn't mean there's no catch, it's just a matter of point of how deep someone wants to go into this sort of stuff.

In the end a finger must be pointed somewhere - whether it is to sound card maker, speaker manufacturer or user error. Even you started by pointing finger at speaker manufacturer.

To me, finger pointing is not wrong. Then only we can identify where is the issue and who should solve it. In your opinion finger should be pointed at speaker maker and they should bear responsibility for the issue.
I think the main flaw in your assumption is that any multimedia speaker is designed to "run at 100% volume on both speaker n sound card". I don't think they are designed that way. Anyway, answer to this is best left to the manufacturer since we don't know what and why are their design goals. You might not like the way the speakers might be overloaded, but it is a possibility for most multimedia speakers (not only Hivi) and only the manufacturers can tell u why.

8 days you already complain long ah? Mine RMA more than 5 months and not yet receive.

So Bro, how long need to wait? 

Just found that to solve my sweet M200MKII bass port resonance problem, I have to take out soft foam (cotton like material) from withint the main tweeter and plug into the bass port, this will indeed take away hurting bass, instead generating more pleasant bass, do mind that dun plug fully with no gap for the bass ports, leave some gap