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MastorJr
post Dec 17 2012, 09:07 PM

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Went to heavy arms last Saturday with my friend... Only have M50 demo since the D1080 already sold. Steve was a really nice guy, he explain a bit about the M50 capability and let us play a few songs from our ipod... My review is this speaker is a lot better than my Altec VS4121... it have a clear sound and clean bass...its good for gaming and audio speaker...but I need a speaker for a audiophile level so really hope if I can audit an M200 MK2&3...please let me know if there are available for audition...will going to visit when get to KL again...planning to get one of them if they can pleased my ears...lol...i'm not a pure audiophile but i'm enjoying music...
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post Dec 17 2012, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(MastorJr @ Dec 17 2012, 09:07 PM)
Went to heavy arms last Saturday with my friend... Only have M50 demo since the D1080 already sold. Steve was a really nice guy, he explain a bit about the M50 capability and let us play a few songs from our ipod... My review is this speaker is a lot better than my Altec VS4121... it have a clear sound and clean bass...its good for gaming and audio speaker...but I need a speaker for a audiophile level so really hope if I can audit an M200 MK2&3...please let me know if there are available for audition...will going to visit when get to KL again...planning to get one of them if they can pleased my ears...lol...i'm not a pure audiophile but i'm enjoying music...
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lol bro the m50w price is in another level of the vs4121 cant really compare both of them no doubt the m50 kills the vs4121
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post Dec 17 2012, 09:38 PM

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Agreed. VS4121 just for my normal use and games...now want to have a audio setup...my roommate have the A5 so want to compare it with the M200...currently i'm using HD595 in my room and Focal speaker for my ICE...love them both...previously want to get an A5 but since saw you are bringing the M200 here, want to audit it first before deciding which one is better for me...
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post Dec 17 2012, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(MastorJr @ Dec 17 2012, 09:38 PM)
Agreed. VS4121 just for my normal use and games...now want to have a audio setup...my roommate have the A5 so want to compare it with the M200...currently i'm using HD595 in my room and Focal speaker for my ICE...love them both...previously want to get an A5 but since saw you are bringing the M200 here, want to audit it first before deciding which one is better for me...
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Used to own a focal ice with 13" focal polyglass v2 sub in a 1.3cbl sealed box. Sub was good but the focals have colored and upfront kid range.

M200 is a very musical sounding speaker. T200b is more articulate and focuses on the upper end a little more. We'd get the m200 demo ready
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post Dec 17 2012, 10:05 PM

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Yes...Focal are known for their crispy and bright sound...i'm using the K2P series so the midbass can be blend well with the bright tweeter after a few tweak...anyway, now you have the M200 and T200B for demo? M200 mk2 or 3?
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post Dec 17 2012, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(CyntrixTech @ Dec 17 2012, 09:43 PM)
Used to own a focal ice with 13" focal polyglass v2 sub in a 1.3cbl sealed box. Sub was good but the focals have colored and upfront kid range.

M200 is a very musical sounding speaker. T200b is more articulate and focuses on the upper end a little more. We'd get the m200 demo ready
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how much is Swan H10 ?
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post Dec 17 2012, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(MastorJr @ Dec 17 2012, 10:05 PM)
Yes...Focal are known for their crispy and bright sound...i'm using the K2P series so the midbass can be blend well with the bright tweeter after a few tweak...anyway, now you have the M200 and T200B for demo? M200 mk2 or 3?
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We've always had everything. Except for the X6. We just never gotten to furnish our dealers with full range demo. There's EX-Stock on MKii and MKiii also


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how much is Swan H10 ?
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post Dec 17 2012, 11:04 PM

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Bro, pm me your contact number & address ...i'll let you know and pay you a visit to audits the speakers on my next trip to KL...
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post Dec 18 2012, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(CyntrixTech @ Dec 14 2012, 06:14 PM)
If you have any suggestions on dealers who are well versed in selling audio products, let us know and we will contact them
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Sure i got a guy in mind nod.gif I will pm you, no guarantee he will be interested but i hope he is.

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post Dec 18 2012, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(CyntrixTech @ Dec 17 2012, 10:31 PM)
We've always had everything. Except for the X6. We just never gotten to furnish our dealers with full range demo. There's EX-Stock on MKii and MKiii also


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i manage to top up my budget to get the below combination
m200mk2 + h10
m200mk3 + h6

and I think any combo above is enough to get a hivi x6 ? is x6 much better than
m200 mk2/mk3 ? for bass wise, how does it compete with h6 ?

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after i survey, i found out that if we need to add sub, we will face some
difficulty for adjust the EQ frequency so that sub and speaker wont messed
with each other ? Do you have guidance for customer who buy the speaker and sub?
Or any customer got give u feedback before?
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post Dec 18 2012, 08:56 PM

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You will find that the subwoofers blend in so well with the speakers it'd be almost seamless. The subs are extremely musical, it's very surprising.

Once you add a sub in the equation, pretty much any 2.0 setup gets tossed out of the window. We've never listened to the X6, there's no demo and no stock available for us from before so we couldn't give you any feedback.

X4 itself is extremely good for nearfield use. By far the best one we have every heard LOL
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post Dec 18 2012, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(CyntrixTech @ Dec 18 2012, 08:56 PM)
You will find that the subwoofers blend in so well with the speakers it'd be almost seamless. The subs are extremely musical, it's very surprising.

Once you add a sub in the equation, pretty much any 2.0 setup gets tossed out of the window. We've never listened to the X6, there's no demo and no stock available for us from before so we couldn't give you any feedback.

X4 itself is extremely good for nearfield use. By far the best one we have every heard LOL
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how much is X4 ? sh*t, seem like I keep topping up my budget rclxub.gif
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post Dec 19 2012, 12:46 AM

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QUOTE(blueyan @ Dec 18 2012, 11:58 PM)
how much is X4 ? sh*t, seem like I keep topping up my budget rclxub.gif
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About 2k. So far there hasn't been anybody who isn't impressed with it. To be truly impressed with it, one needs to listen to all the HiVi range before listening the the X4 and you will likely be in the WTF (where to find) moment....We have not had a chance to listen to the X6 but it is as big as a Dinosaur egg and is meant to be used in a larger room. The x4 is the ultimate desktop monitoring speaker that delivers immense sound stage and imaging, crazy deep bass, and fantastic articulation. If the tweeter used was silk, it would have been perfect.


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post Dec 19 2012, 12:50 AM

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QUOTE(CyntrixTech @ Dec 19 2012, 12:46 AM)
About 2k. So far there hasn't been anybody who isn't impressed with it. To be truly impressed with it, one needs to listen to all the HiVi range before listening the the X4 and you will likely be in the WTF (where to find) moment....We have not had a chance to listen to the X6 but it is as big as a Dinosaur egg and is meant to be used in a larger room. The x4 is the ultimate desktop monitoring speaker that delivers immense sound stage and imaging, crazy deep bass, and fantastic articulation. If the tweeter used was silk, it would have been perfect.
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I searched some of your sale thread and do now see your shop address . Please pm me your shop address ? we can audition in shop right ? no need make appointment ?
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post Dec 19 2012, 12:59 AM

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QUOTE(blueyan @ Dec 19 2012, 12:50 AM)
I searched some of your sale thread and do now see your shop address . Please pm me your shop address ? we can audition in shop right ? no need make appointment ?
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We are the distributor, we do not have a shop for demo yet. Our showroom will be at Setia Walk Puchong, across Tesco. At the mean time, you have to demo the products from Heavy Arm but they do not have full range as we have limited stocks on high end models for demo (consignment cost is high)
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post Dec 19 2012, 01:30 AM

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QUOTE(CyntrixTech @ Dec 19 2012, 12:59 AM)
We are the distributor, we do not have a shop for demo yet. Our showroom will be at Setia Walk Puchong, across Tesco. At the mean time, you have to demo the products from Heavy Arm but they do not have full range as we have limited stocks on high end models for demo (consignment cost is high)
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got a question about the price

how come in China listed price , the price goes t200 > M200MK3 = X4 ?
X4 is around the price of M200MK iii ?
**I check from taobao.com and http://www.zol.com.cn/

But in US shop offer http://www.lockwaresystems.com
X4 > T200B > M200MK3

how come @@?
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post Dec 19 2012, 01:32 AM

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That is because the price in CN is for a PIECE. The price in Lockware is for a PAIR. The X series and H series are sold in PIECE. But we are offering them in Pair pricing as well. BTW, in Malaysia, speakers have 15% duty and 10% sales tax. We are doing whatever possible to ensure SRP is not ridiculously expensive like other brands when landed in Malaysia.

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post Dec 19 2012, 02:02 AM

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hey Cyntrix, my budget is around 500 + , currently stuck between the m20w ( or even m50w if the difference is big) and ds1080iv now, what are the main differences ?

I'm gonna use it as a desktop speaker mainly for music + gaming in my room.

Thanks in advance.

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post Dec 19 2012, 02:55 AM

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M20W
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Pros
- Full range micro driver *limited coherence issue*
- Tight and punchy sub
- Bright and aggressive sound signature (when setup properly)
- Similar presentation as the Aego M (when satellites level to ear) but not as sibilant.

Cons
- Lousy in line volume controller. Channel imbalance at low volume when attenuated using the in line pod. Throw this away and connect the line out directly to the subwoofer. Make sure that your source is not running at full volume! We will not replace imbalanced volume pod, it is a poor implementation and it should not be used in the first place.
- Microdriver is rather directional and looses a lot of high frequency if setup below ear level. Complaints with highs not being good enough in Chinese forum is mainly due to improper setup. The speakers should have been angled like the Aego M (which fills up the whole room) but for some reasons they are designed to be leveled and cubicle.
- Musical sub but low SPL. More than adequate for desktop use.

Recommended for:
Listeners who are sensitive to driver coherence. Those who enjoys a bright/cold/in the face/aggressive sound signature. It is akin to Grado line headphones in terms for tonal balance. Also suits people with limited desk space. You still need to elevate/angle the driver towards your ear or it will sound odd. Subwoofer goes up till 180 hz therefore a lot of upper bass (directional) are still being reproduced by the subwoofer. For seamless result, you should place the subwoofer right below the satellites, in the middle, or keep it on the table.


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M50W
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Pros
- Lush and musical tonal balance. Maybe little too lush for some. Very similar to Senn 650's sound signature.
- Wide sound stage and great depth.
- Very tight and punchy bass. More than adequate when used as a desktop speaker
- Easily fills a mid sized room with authority

Cons
- Very huge satellites, require some positioning to ensure the speaker does not sound veil

Recommended for:
If you want to play it safe and buy a speaker without auditioning it, this is the one to get. It is a lush sounding and musical speaker. Once you get used to it, it will be hard to go back to any dry sounding speakers. However, it does sound a little veil for those who are used to articulate and bright sounding signature. It's most prominent when you move on from M50W to the X4. However, we are talking about two completely different sound signature and price point here. M50W and M100 has rather similar sound signature however M100 delivers better frequency coverage and bass by itself without the sub. If you cut off the M50W's sub, the M50W satellites cannot compete the M100 and M200 in anyway. M200 has a more neutral presentation, but some people call it boring.


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D1080-IV
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Pros
- Delivers the most bass from a 2.0 system without a subwoofer (besides the X series)
- Flat port not particularly sensitive to distance from wall to delivery heart thumping bass
- Adequate power delivery to fill up a mid/large size room
- Matching ST2 speaker stand available

Cons
- Colored mid range. Similar to a tube amp-ed sound signature. (love it or hate it)
- Ugly without the front grill being removed
- While the speaker delivers great SPL and easily fills up the room, cabinet can be heard and is not as transparent as M200 and T200B (Actually T200B sounds a little analytically and flat so you can still somewhat hear the cabinet. T200B sounds like Wilson Sophia but with less highs and less bass...it's actually not as DEAD sounding as the Sophia)

Recommended for:
Don't really know. A lot of people seem to love this speaker but it's not my kind of sound. The mid range is kinda colored and since I am a BBC guy it's not my favorite speaker. In fact, I'd thought this is one of the worst selling speakers but I ended up being wrong and this get sold out before anything else. Even my old friend PCWORK seem to love this speaker more than the rest. Maybe after listening to a bunch of different sounding speaker people get attached to some mid range coloration. In terms of tonal balance, it is not neutral, for sure. However, in terms of completeness in frequency, it is very decent since you won't really find any frequency being missing. M200MKii and MKiii can feel a little lean. The T200B is incredibly lean but significantly airy, detailed, and articulate for those who like that kind of sound signature.


If you are using the speaker nearfield and do not want to spend a whole lot. M200MKii is the one you want. If you want a speaker that will do everything from Jazz to pop, pop to audiophile, audiophile to R&B, then only the M10, M20W, and M50W are suitable for you. Except if you decide to go H4 + H6 or maybe even the M20/M60 5.1

One thing I don't understand is why not many people talk about the D1010-IV. It is a more suitable speaker for desktop use than D1080-IV. Granted, the D1010-IV has the same bright tweeters as the M10 and may sound a little too bright for some, the form factor and sound signature is made so that you can use the speaker nearfield and still have the fun factor.

The good thing is that, you will NEVER find a BOOMY, FARTY, subwoofer or 2.1 setup from HiVi/Swan. Even the M10 delivers incredibly tight and punchy sub for a sheer 4"+ "subwoofer".

D1080-IV DEMO ALERT
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We will move our D1080-IV, and M20W to Heavy Arm to allow end users to demo them. You should be able to try them starting this SATURDAY. However, at this point D1080-IV is sold out. M20W may still be available. Basically going forward, you will be able to demo at Heavy Arm:

M10
M20W
M50W
D1080-IV

Maybe next week we will move the D1010-IV there as well


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post Dec 19 2012, 04:49 PM

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Woah thanks a lot for information man and you actually replied at 3 in the morning ! That's dedication right there notworthy.gif

I'm really spoilt for choices now that you've put DS1010-IV into the picture. I think I'll wait till the demo unit is set up at heavyarm's store next week to try these speakers out before deciding smile.gif.





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