Seriously? Do u work for Elop or something? Or maybe ur the first of THAT new breed. Can't think of any other reasons for u to say what u just said.

Just because I find it to be reasonable and all of a sudden I work for Elop?

Seriously, if a new flagship phone with all that features and CHEAPER than an iPhone 5 is not reasonable, then I don't know what is. You're paying for what's worth, not shiny logo.

Edit: And before you do your rebuttal, the comparison was made against iPhone 5 32GB in Germany, priced at € 739.00 whereas Lumia 920 is priced at € 649.00, that's € 90.00 cheaper. Please bear in mind that comparison was made relative to iPhone 5, not direct conversion from Euro as that would not be accurate because they include VAT (up to as much as 15%), we don't.

Hence, like I said previously, until US prices are out, I won't lay my hammer just yet. As it looks, it's still pretty reasonable for the spec.

This post has been edited by jonchai: Sep 27 2012, 10:22 PM

You can't reason in that way with them. They represent the general public. And the general public are spoilt for choices. Especially with SG3 selling like crazy. High chance people will go for SG3. Good reviews, strong user based and popular OS.
Maybe as a smart consumer I won't blindly give my money to nokia until they bring the price down few months down the road.

This post has been edited by killdavid: Sep 27 2012, 10:20 PM

That bit in bold, I can't agree more. Ironically I think u don't really understand it.

If every phone manufacturer bump up the price every time they release a new flagship, a phone should cost more than rm10k already. Nokia is not the only manufacturer in the history of mankind to release a game changer phone. HTC did it with Desire, Samsung did it with S2 and how did they price it?

And why do u compare this to iPhone? Everyone knows it's overpriced except for their sheep. Let's not start a Nokia sheep club.

Go read my Edited post

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Added on September 27, 2012, 10:25 pmThe reason SGS3 isn't used as a comparison is because it's been out in the market for quite some time. So naturally, its price is lower, hence the comparison with iPhone 5.

Again, read my edited post and you'll know what I was trying to say. It's not right for us to lay judgement until the prices are available here, reasons as mentioned.

This post has been edited by jonchai: Sep 27 2012, 10:25 PM

The thing is, we are saying IF the price is 2.4k, Nokia can go die/Nokia will get butchered and u responded with "might as well ask them to give phone for free". WTF?

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I wasn't even answering your post to begin with. It was directed at someone else who asked for it to be more competitive hence the question, how much more competitive do you want it to be?

Seriously, better specs, cheaper than iPhone 5, still not competitive enough? Then tell me, at what point do you feel it's competitive?

And as for the statement about it being reasonable, I was referring to Lumia 920 being comparatively cheaper than the iPhone 5.

RM2.4k for the Lumia 920 is excessive? I dont think so if we compared it to the iphone 5 32GB. Its the market price for the 32GB version of the flagship phones.

Well, we don't know the exact price here, but yes, I agree with you, in relative term. Hence the argument there. Lumia 920 is better in every aspect compared to iphone 5, priced lower, yet people still want it to be "more competitive".

Well iPhone can charge RM2.4k because they are...well Apple

But Nokia is fighting a losing battle to reclaim its market shares, using a rather untested platform. With a 2.4k pricetag, they probably won't be able to attract enough potential customers since the general public will probably think "I top up some and I got the awesome iPhone" or "So expensive? I can get a S3 with that price"

I have no doubt that Lumia 920 is a nice phone but Nokia is depending on it for its come back and so far, I think the pricing won't help it

This post has been edited by LightningZERO: Sep 27 2012, 10:44 PM

That's because you think it'll launch at 2.4k by doing a direct conversion. It's never wise to do that with Euro prices. They charge a hell lot on VAT. That's why I said, reserve your judgement until you see US prices. But as it stands, if we were to do direct conversion, the Lumia 920 would be RM358.56 cheaper than an iPhone 5 in Germany using a conversion rate of EUR1 = RM3.984.

Hence if iPhone 5 were to launch here at RM2499, we'd be getting Lumia 920 for RM2,140.

Is that bad pricing? I don't think so.

This post has been edited by jonchai: Sep 27 2012, 10:51 PM

I did not say u were responding to me. My point is your respond of "might as well ask the phone for free" to the "RM2.4k is too expensive" is an unnecessary, sheep-like respond.

This beast with pureview cam is awesome! Hope w8 not fail me like previous w7. Last window phone i use is htc hd7 with w7.

You didn't make it clear, but in any case, that's my style of talking

Ditto.

RM2.1k is still ok. RM2.4k they can go die.

People jump to conclusions too quickly. I'm not here to defend Nokia or anything. I'm more to pointing people to the right direction, hence I used comparative pricing, relative to iPhone 5's prices in the said regions. So if Nokia were to launch at 2.4k, iPhone 5 will launch at 2.8k, using the conversion, but we can't do that.

Euro prices is never a safe benchmark to determine local price. Their VATs are crazy. It's best to wait for US price to make judgement.

This post has been edited by jonchai: Sep 27 2012, 10:55 PM

hmm..if that is really the price..mayb i will wait until it drop price

If Nokia's local distributor is still having any sense, they won't announce a price over RM2.2k(even if international price are higher). In fact I can safely bet that the local sale are going to be poor if it is priced over RM2k.

Anything higher than that will make the phone hardly can sell.

Nobody is willing to buy a Nokia at RM2.4k. At least not for local(where Apple & Samsung pretty much covered the whole market).

In short, what I mean is:
They can try with RM2k+ pricing, but they better be ready/eventually forced to lower down the price.

This post has been edited by Human10: Sep 27 2012, 11:03 PM

I think everyone here is clear about that. They are just saying 2.4k is too expensive. That's all.

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This post has been edited by luckyhillkop: Sep 27 2012, 11:09 PM

Nokia Symbian user here (N8) and was going for Lumia WP7 / 8 but now sticking to 808

Just want to express some rather disappointing opinion on the flagship 920, (Later anyone can bash me but I will ignore )

Was really hope for the rumor 21MP but get lower spec instead. Anyway, like the OIS feature but really doubt the low light capability even with this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBOlvQ4NFu4 or this article - http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/26/lumia-9...light-shootout/

To me it seems like the 920 do some trick by use flash first to pre-capture the image before finalize the output. Others also hint that the camera default mode is set closely to night mode with low shutter speed (Never seen any daylight picture yet and moving object looks blur). The comparison with other phone with their default auto mode also not that fair. I played with S3 and HTC 1X camera before, they don't perform that bad at low light environment with some tweaking. 808 simply blow away competition with creative setting. Anyone here will be that dumb to not change their camera scene mode in line with the environment ?

The wireless charging feature to me is abit of joke. Wireless to me is able to charge the phone with > 3 meter or more away from the charger port, not putting directly on top of the charger port. What is the different then by just plugging a cable from the already near charger ? The charging port itself is as big as the phone which is abit cumbersome to carry and a proprietary product (which mean you can't charge using any usb cable or car charger).

All these are just marketing gimmick feature. Though, the PureMotion HD and super sensitive screen is impressive.

Finally, the price.... http://www.lowyat.net/v2/index.php?option=...d=7409&Itemid=1

Too expensive to compete with other flagship phone, most likely more than RM2.2k when it reach Malaysia.

Not too optimistic about WP8 phone.

This post has been edited by Left4Dead2: Sep 27 2012, 11:37 PM