I wish they come out with the prices for 920 & 820 already. If they screw up with 920 pricing I'll have no doubt to get 820 instead. If i go with 820, the dumbed down pureview is probably the only thing i'll miss.

For a phone with 4.5" screen, I don't think it is that heavy. If you have used a 5800 before, the 3.2" screen is already 109g and it is definitely not heavy. I think the bigger problem may be the size and width of the L920, just like any of the large Samsung phones and phablets, which makes it hard to fit into a pocket.

Because I have, on many occasions, encountered poor sound quality coming from expensive Apple and Samsung phones, I wouldn't want to spend lots of money on phones with poor signal reception, no matter how good their ecosystems are. People tend to forget that the primary function of their simarphone is to make and receive calls, not for playing games.

Yes, the iOS is getting boring. The WP7 already has better UI and now with the WP8, the improvements will blow the competition out of the water. The Apple and Samsung duopoly is not good for consumers, and hopefully Nokia would surivive and give us another option to choose from.

Something that withdraw people from lumia or any other window phone is that their updates!!!!!

Whenever a new windows os updates , they practically Ditch and doesn't provide any support for the old device

This might be the reason why Nokia is losing their customer ... I once was a loyal fan towards nokia and are usually keen to see the new phones ...but?
Why window ?

I aint rich, so changing a phone each time when there is a major updates on window is just unacceptable .. Just can't bear with the cost

This post has been edited by D-Frog: Sep 18 2012, 04:09 PM

Get iPhone their update always fast and no need wait forever

Got it
Turns out to be bored even with/without jailbreak....
iOS isn't innovative , only thing I have is the smooth and easy operate ui...
Nth much spice up ... With the upcoming iPhone 5 , it sure "worth" the upgrade ... Apple virus users.... Lolol

I think the non-upgradeable situation of Windows Phone 7 is a one-off thing. It probably wouldn't happen again. That's because the OS was based on the old Windows CE kernel. But the upcoming Windows Phone 8 is based on the Windows NT kernel, the same with Windows XP, Vista, 7 and of course, the new Windows 8.

Let's put it this way. They worked so hard to implement a kernel (NT) that can run on both x86 and ARM, the chances of them ditching NT is practically, 0. They will build on top, some new features may be left out for older phones when upgrade comes, but ditching the kernel? Not a chance. Hence, you're right.

The way I see it, all WP7 users were beta testers (no offence, but it's the truth). WP7 was a stop-gap to prevent itself from losing all their marketshare. Back then, NT wasn't ready, CE was. So they made WP7 to bridge the gap. Now that NT is here (and proven to run even more efficient than CE on ARM), so long CE, you will NOT be missed.

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Added on September 18, 2012, 7:21 pmAnd to answer your question about why Windows, well.

They see potential in the ecosystem as a whole. Not just mobile, but many things as well. Can Android provide an ecosystem at the moment? No. (Checked)

Can Apple provide an ecosystem at the moment? Yes. Is it open? No. (Checked)

Hence, Microsoft is the most ideal solution to their problem. A wide range of ecosystem.

Let's list them down:

- Skype
- Yammer (newly acquired)
- Microsoft Office 365
- Lync
- Skydrive
- Tablets (a whole new market for Nokia)
- PC (highly unlikely, but huge potential here)
- Bing

And a lot more of course.

This post has been edited by jonchai: Sep 18 2012, 07:21 PM

This is exactly the point I like about Windows phone and iOS, i.e the future; unification of all devices across a single platform. Despite the closed ecosystem, Apple is already closer to that goal than either Google or Microsoft. iCloud and various modifications to their desktop/laptop OS are steps toward that goal. Microsoft is just rolling out Windows 8. Hardware wise, introduction of Surface is another step for Microsoft in that direction. If Windows 8 adoption rate is high, Microsoft could technically match Apple's domination of the future.

Google understands this fairly well, introducing Chrome OS but it's met with fairly critical review of it's functions. However, it's adoption rate might increase in the coming years for some reasons. It's trump card, I think, is the Glass project.

Well, look at the broader spectrum. Apple may have tight integration between iOS / Mac OS but they are way behind compared to Microsoft. Think about it deeper.

While Apple is starting to push for Apple TV, Xbox existed for ages. The next update will bring SmartGlass, Apple will be left further behind. Home entertainment system, Checked.

Next up, tablet / personal computing. Microsoft dominates the PC market while Apple dominates the tablet market. So this category is more or less a tie, with the advantage going to Apple. Pending.

Phone - Apple. Progress pending.

Business & Services - Checked. Apple isn't even close to touching Microsoft in terms of services offered. Microsoft has Outlook (previously known as Hotmail). Also, Microsoft offers Office, Yammer, Skype, Lync, Dynamics, Sharepoint and a lot more other services.

Cloud computing - Checked. Apple started iCloud a year back while SkyDrive dates back years ago. It was not marketed, but in terms of functionality, SkyDrive wins hands down. On top of that, Microsoft has a far greater set of tools catered for the cloud. Office 365? Exchange?

Social Network - Checked. With its relationship with Facebook, Microsoft wins by default (lazy to cite, go search the sources if you want to know more).

Servers - Checked. Let's ignore Linux in this scenario. Direct comparison with Apple, Microsoft wins again hands down.

Vehicles / Navigation - With Navteq, Microsoft wins by default.

Well, did I miss anything? I believe I've covered most that I need to. I know that Google may have some offerings in certain categories, but that's another story. It's direct comparison between Microsoft and Apple.

Yup. Thanks for the lenghty explanation

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Added on September 19, 2012, 9:24 amYup. Thanks for the lenghty explanation



This post has been edited by Holyboy27: Sep 19 2012, 09:24 AM

Cheers

Guys, anyone has any idea when the 7.8 update will be released?

October will be announce, hopefully. Release date? Nope, depends on how hardworking your phone's company on updating the the OS.

i really hope the lumia 920 n 820 pricing out real soon, else many potential customer will jump to iphone or android, even in the future the pricing is good.

another potential threat will be the release date, i guess most probably malaysia will get it on 2013,kinda longggggggggggg waitinggggggggggggggg for fast changing technology like a handphone. :swt:

If they launching it later than November then I'll just go for other phones. Their products roll out is pretty disappointing.

I feel you bro~~but, good things come to those who wait...patiently...

They'll surely ( I hope ) launch before November ends...but to reach our shores, maybe next year...wondering if can buy from overseas and ship here would be better or not...

Singapore sets looks like the best bet
But I just want the 7.8 to roll out asap/ Wanna put more icons on homescreen hehe

hope it will available in malaysia asap after they start launching it.
i predict it will be available by end of nov

OIS Video Test: Nokia Lumia 920 vs Samsung Galaxy S3


Low light test..


Impressive that.

haha interesting test there lumia 920 here i come