here is why ifag will succeed again!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdIWKytq_q4...player_embedded

Hmm seriously L920 weight could stop u from climbing "incomplete buildings under construction"? 

I think the non-upgradeable situation of Windows Phone 7 is a one-off thing. It probably wouldn't happen again. That's because the OS was based on the old Windows CE kernel. But the upcoming Windows Phone 8 is based on the Windows NT kernel, the same with Windows XP, Vista, 7 and of course, the new Windows 8.

Something that withdraw people from lumia or any other window phone is that their updates!!!!!

Whenever a new windows os updates , they practically Ditch and doesn't provide any support for the old device

This might be the reason why Nokia is losing their customer ... I once was a loyal fan towards nokia and are usually keen to see the new phones ...but?
Why window ?

I aint rich, so changing a phone each time when there is a major updates on window is just unacceptable  .. Just can't bear with the cost

This is exactly the point I like about Windows phone and iOS, i.e the future; unification of all devices across a single platform. Despite the closed ecosystem, Apple is already closer to that goal than either Google or Microsoft. iCloud and various modifications to their desktop/laptop OS are steps toward that goal. Microsoft is just rolling out Windows 8. Hardware wise, introduction of Surface is another step for Microsoft in that direction. If Windows 8 adoption rate is high, Microsoft could technically match Apple's domination of the future.

Google understands this fairly well, introducing Chrome OS but it's met with fairly critical review of it's functions. However, it's adoption rate might increase in the coming years for some reasons. It's trump card, I think, is the Glass project.

Yup. Thanks for the lenghty explanation 

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Added on September 19, 2012, 9:24 am

Yup. Thanks for the lenghty explanation 

ironic seeing that HTC have the beat audio thing integrated into their WP phone but no news about providing them the headset. and nokia that didnt integrate that function provides them....

Nokia is going to be butchered with that kind of price. It is already losing its market shares and yet they are not trying for competitive pricing?

Seriously? Do u work for Elop or something? Or maybe ur the first of THAT new breed. Can't think of any other reasons for u to say what u just said.

That bit in bold, I can't agree more. Ironically I think u don't really understand it.

If every phone manufacturer bump up the price every time they release a new flagship, a phone should cost more than rm10k already. Nokia is not the only manufacturer in the history of mankind to release a game changer phone. HTC did it with Desire, Samsung did it with S2 and how did they price it?

And why do u compare this to iPhone? Everyone knows it's overpriced except for their sheep. Let's not start a Nokia sheep club.

You can't reason in that way with them. They represent the general public. And the general public are spoilt for choices. Especially with SG3 selling like crazy. High chance people will go for SG3. Good reviews, strong user based and popular OS.
Maybe as a smart consumer I won't blindly give my money to nokia until they bring the price down few months down the road.

The thing is, we are saying IF the price is 2.4k, Nokia can go die/Nokia will get butchered and u responded with "might as well ask them to give phone for free". WTF?
...

RM2.4k for the Lumia 920 is excessive? I dont think so if we compared it to the iphone 5 32GB. Its the market price for the 32GB version of the flagship phones.

Well iPhone can charge RM2.4k because they are...well Apple

But Nokia is fighting a losing battle to reclaim its market shares, using a rather untested platform. With a 2.4k pricetag, they probably won't be able to attract enough potential customers since the general public will probably think "I top up some and I got the awesome iPhone" or "So expensive? I can get a S3 with that price"

I did not say u were responding to me. My point is your respond of "might as well ask the phone for free" to the "RM2.4k is too expensive" is an unnecessary, sheep-like respond.

Ditto.

RM2.1k is still ok. RM2.4k they can go die.

Nokia Symbian user here (N8) and was going for Lumia WP7 / 8 but now sticking to 808

Just want to express some rather disappointing opinion on the flagship 920, (Later anyone can bash me but I will ignore )

Was really hope for the rumor 21MP but get lower spec instead. Anyway, like the OIS feature but really doubt the low light capability even with this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBOlvQ4NFu4 or this article - http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/26/lumia-9...light-shootout/

To me it seems like the 920 do some trick by use flash first to pre-capture the image before finalize the output. Others also hint that the camera default mode is set closely to night mode with low shutter speed (Never seen any daylight picture yet and moving object looks blur). The comparison with other phone with their default auto mode also not that fair. I played with S3 and HTC 1X camera before, they don't perform that bad at low light environment with some tweaking. 808 simply blow away competition with creative setting. Anyone here will be that dumb to not change their camera scene mode in line with the environment ?

The wireless charging feature to me is abit of joke. Wireless to me is able to charge the phone with > 3 meter or more away from the charger port, not putting directly on top of the charger port. What is the different then by just plugging a cable from the already near charger ? The charging port itself is as big as the phone which is abit cumbersome to carry and a proprietary product (which mean you can't charge using any usb cable or car charger).

All these are just marketing gimmick feature. Though, the PureMotion HD and super sensitive screen is impressive.

Finally, the price.... http://www.lowyat.net/v2/index.php?option=...d=7409&Itemid=1

Too expensive to compete with other flagship phone, most likely more than RM2.2k when it reach Malaysia.

Not too optimistic about WP8 phone.

I think everyone here is clear about that. They are just saying 2.4k is too expensive. That's all.

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Added on September 27, 2012, 11:09 pm
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Whilst your comments are not unwelcome especially it is just your opinion, here's mine.

iPhone is an internationally acclaimed and reputed smartphone loved by unprecedented numbers of consumers. Nokia was like Apple in years gone by and I still remember they then warranted higher prices. But now they have kinda hid away with their tails between their legs. With that said, to compete with the likes of Apple and even Samsung, they cannot just be a 'few dollars' cheaper than those giant brands if they want to win back a certain percentage and capture the slice of the market they lost in those early years.

Having said that, again, I do not know their rationale and marketing strategies and therefore this is just my opinion.

It is true, Apple brand name is enough to propel their products to steep prices for the sheeps. Nokia's brand is weak, should call it niche and Windows Phone OS is weak and carries bad perception from old releases. It is going to be a tough challenge to place it higher than SG3. You may be a tech enthusiat but general public don't give a hoot about eco systems.

But all is not lost, like jon mentioned the leaked pricing is including Europe tax, which could be high and based on trend, flagship phones are always priced high at launch to gauge the reception then later adjusted to include maybe 10% discount. But don't bet on seeing a Lumia 800 like price slash

at 1st i was disappointed cause the mp is lower than what i had hoped for...
i have to say that one is foolish to choose a phone just because of this wireless charging feature
it works but nothing important

btw that little light trick is call the autofocus (af) lamp assist

taken from the website http://www.steves-digicams.com/knowledge-c...ist-lamp.html#b
to explain about AF lamp assist if you dont know

I will not be complaining on the pricing for its quality...Its costs 25% more than the S3> Nokia’s Lumia 920 costlier than Samsung Galaxy S III

For the coming Win8 smartphones > Windows Phone 8 Battle: Nokia Lumia 920 vs Samsung ATIV S vs HTC 8X