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David83
post Mar 13 2013, 12:51 PM


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QUOTE(Sam8698 @ Mar 13 2013, 12:46 PM)
I know but this is what the forum for, just for sharing and discussion.
May be you can just reply to my quetion #2 if first quetion is sensitive to you? smile.gif
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Question 2:

1. PM is the biggest fund manager in Malaysia
2. There's supposingly to have service agent to facilitate you in term professional advices

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post Mar 13 2013, 01:15 PM


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QUOTE(Sam8698 @ Mar 13 2013, 12:35 PM)
Can sifus or any UTC answer the following? notworthy.gif
1. Since FSM service charge is lower, why should we still buy from PM?
2. What are the key advantages buying from PM than FSM?
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1. Because u want to have the perceived security of doing business with a distributor backed by one of Malaysia's top bank? tongue.gif
2. U pay more Sales Charge to see a lenglui PM consultant brows.gif
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post Mar 13 2013, 01:16 PM


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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 13 2013, 12:51 PM)
Question 2:

1. PM is the biggest fund manager in Malaysia
2. There's supposingly to have service agent to facilitate you in term professional advices
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2. The supposedly professional services made many burnt their money in PCSF blush.gif
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post Mar 13 2013, 01:35 PM


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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 13 2013, 01:16 PM)
2. The supposedly professional services made many burnt their money in PCSF blush.gif
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Poor poor poor Pub-Mut, one bad apple PCSF and it affect the whole company as a whole.

This serves a very important lesson to other fund houses:

I) Don't launch too many funds if you cannot get good fund managers.

II) Prepare to manage less funds that you can manage well. It is the quality, not quantity.

III) One fund kaput, the market will look at you as a weakling, jaguh kampong etc.

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post Mar 13 2013, 01:38 PM


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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 13 2013, 01:15 PM)
1. Because u want to have the perceived security of doing business with a distributor backed by one of Malaysia's top bank? tongue.gif
2. U pay more Sales Charge to see a lenglui PM consultant brows.gif
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I am scared of those leng-lui consultants wan, very aggressive wor.

I shy-shy type. They scare me.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 13 2013, 01:35 PM)
Poor poor poor Pub-Mut, one bad apple PCSF and it affect the whole company as a whole.

This serves a very important lesson to other fund houses:

I) Don't launch too many funds if you cannot get good fund managers.

II) Prepare to manage less funds that you can manage well. It is the quality, not quantity.

III) One fund kaput, the market will look at you as a weakling, jaguh kampong etc.

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I raise both legs and both hands in support of that
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 13 2013, 01:38 PM)
I am scared of those leng-lui consultants wan, very aggressive wor.

I shy-shy type. They scare me.

Xuzen
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Ur writing is naughty yet u end with a "Xuzen" signature...I find it amusing laugh.gif
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post Mar 13 2013, 02:02 PM


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I also do agree that PM has too many fund and some of them has similar characteristic. Somehow I think PM need to do that to avoid a fund to become too big. Don't think any other fund house has this problem.


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post Mar 13 2013, 03:58 PM


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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 13 2013, 10:49 AM)
2. The NAV price of the fund that I'm interested in is quite high now, should I stay away? Investment gurus always say "buy low, sell high"...
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3. Common misconceptions about unit trust dividends/distributions
(a) After dividend distribution, NAV price will go down, the fund will become cheaper.
(b) A fund that declares dividends is better than a fund that does not, dividends are my profit, they make me richer.

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http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=58601035
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doh.gif Thank you for the knowledge. Never knew this fact at all.
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post Mar 13 2013, 07:46 PM


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QUOTE(Sam8698 @ Mar 13 2013, 12:35 PM)
Can sifus or any UTC answer the following? notworthy.gif
1. Since FSM service charge is lower, why should we still buy from PM?
2. What are the key advantages buying from PM than FSM?
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Got at least 3 good reasons; but I rather bash Public Mutual. laugh.gif

ok, I'll reveal just one reason; otherwise PM will get big headed and will also derail personal campaign against them to reduce their high service charge.

PM is BIG.

I looked into another outside fund & got really worried. That fund is about 1/10th of a small PM fund, and had 6 unitholders at the top end holding about 25% of the whole fund.

What if 4 of them are close friends and meet regularly at the majong table; and all 4 pull out at the same time?
Would the fund bungkus?

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2. The supposedly professional services made many burnt their money in PCSF blush.gif
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Allow me to provide some supporting facts... on how MANY got burnt. biggrin.gif

PCSF was launched in mid 2007. In the 2009 financial report:
Total unitholders = 162,417
Highest NAV per unit = 0.1969 (2008 is 0.2979)
Lowest NAV per unit = 0.1102 (2008 is 0.1825)
Total NAV (MYR'000) = 2,000,110 (2008 - 1,628,167)

July 2012 report:
Total unitholders = 98,996
Total NAV (MYR’000) 785,797

Performance to-date is negative 31.2%.

(Told you PM is BIG - even their losing fund is over 700 million in ringgit value. A typical non-PM fund is less than 30 mill.)


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doh.gif Thank you for the knowledge. Never knew this fact at all.
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... I got more blur after reading them! laugh.gif

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post Mar 13 2013, 11:59 PM


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Since everybody is so interested with the distribution filing for income tax. FSM has created a guide.

URL: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=3246
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post Mar 14 2013, 01:19 PM


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where can i get the dividend statement for PM funds? I tried to check on PMO web site but only annual/interim statements are available.
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post Mar 14 2013, 01:23 PM


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QUOTE(jutamind @ Mar 14 2013, 01:19 PM)
where can i get the dividend statement for PM funds? I tried to check on PMO web site but only annual/interim statements are available.
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They'll mail the tax receipt to your doorstep.
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post Mar 14 2013, 01:24 PM


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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 14 2013, 01:23 PM)
They'll mail the tax receipt to your doorstep.
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what if i dont get some of the dividend statements? can download electronically?
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post Mar 14 2013, 02:21 PM


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QUOTE(jutamind @ Mar 14 2013, 01:24 PM)
what if i dont get some of the dividend statements? can download electronically?
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I doubt that. From PMO, only statements are available.

Perhaps you can request for reprint from nearest PM branch or PM CS.
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Where can I obtain sharpe ratio for PM funds? Thanks.
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Mar 14 2013, 02:48 PM)
Where can I obtain sharpe ratio for PM funds? Thanks.
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PM didn't disclose it. Perhaps they don't trust it. tongue.gif
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post Mar 14 2013, 04:28 PM


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hi,
saw someone mentioned PCSF.
got some money in there.
any advice?
thanks...
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post Mar 14 2013, 04:33 PM


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I read some news, recently PMB being the first private company to be granted a license by Chinese gov. to invest in A/B shares DIRECTLY in China.

Could be turning point for PCSF and related fund.
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post Mar 15 2013, 04:34 PM


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QUOTE(koinibler @ Mar 14 2013, 04:33 PM)
I read some news, recently PMB being the first private company to be granted a license by Chinese gov. to invest in A/B shares DIRECTLY in China.

Could be turning point for PCSF and related fund.
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then i'll keep PCSF..

how about PNREF & PSEASF? should i sell it or keep it?

thanks...
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