HAHAHAHAHAHAhahahaha

I guess you missed the thread not so many months ago where a Vios owner was quoted RM30k by Toyota to overhaul his engine, and another owner was quoted RM6k for his Camry aircon compressor?

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BTW, govt use media to troll kampungboy, then who is using the internet to troll us? govt also?

Honda City (Facelift ) Warranty 5 Years Unlimited Milage

Toyota Vios (Facelift Warranty 3 Years or 100,000km

your call...

but some say Toyota no need warranty their engine veli solid...

but I trust warranty hahaha more piece of mind as I know my car will have 5 years warranty regardless how many milage I drive that car

Honda SA told me they give 5 years because they have confidence in their car.

Toyota SA told me they give 3 years because they have even more confidence in their car.

You be the judge.

LOL! guys..i heard the same thing too...But 5 years with unlimited milage sounds better..haha

Facts are facts, which you obviously know nothing.

The current generation vios was introduced in Malaysia October 5, 2007

Using the same engine as the previous generation which was introduced in 2003.

Basically, that piece of shit car is using the same engine for 10 years, and they justify price increase with the smallest of exterior upgrades.

Furthermore, its is obvious from your previous postings that all your facts on cars are pulled out from your ass.

This post has been edited by omnimech: Aug 2 2012, 12:25 PM

Mazda 2 design is a little bit too weird..

elantra for the 80+k you pay

Hahahaha... nice

It is true Toyota SA say they give 3 Years cause they even more confidence in their car so YOU CAN PAY MORE!!! or can go uncle machenic workshop under the tree after 3 years... hahaha after 3 years UMWT dont care about your car...

Facts?
YES. current 2007 vios with the previous old gen vios is same engine, so..? Use engine which is more than 5/8 years old consider not good..? Its engine is proven reliable yet practical! City new GB with 5AT for sure is better than 4AT GB in vios? Which way of facts u are mentioning? You must be kidding that FC of honda city not considered high.. even with its 5AT GB, the FC is still freaking high. maybe you never drive vios before thats why you dont feel city FC actually is very high. FYI my younger sister drive honda city year 2011. drive it yourself and compare. dont be stupid get troll by people or media like how government treat u all to vote for him.

My dear sir.

Maybe your lack of education causes you to be easily "trolled" by people and media.

But facts are facts.

Why do you pay so much for dated technology ? And I mean extremely dated technology.

Your argument "Proven reliable yet practical" is something out from the government books. If it aint broke, dont fix it.

Toyota is abusing ways to get more profit, not because the engine is reliable. Its because fools still want to buy the car eventhough the technology is so ancient, it should be lumped together with a nissan sunny and thrown away.

Admittedly the vios has a range of perhaps 500 km on a full tank while the Honda City about 450 km.

Which I feel is negligible because of the City having a more powerful engine (in terms of output).

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Bottom line, if you want to be a fool of a consumer, then please go ahead. Im am happy your parents actually had the brains to buy a honda city and not listen to their son sprout nonsense.

Conclusion, Toyota is abusing the fact that Malaysians have the idiotic mindset of Toyota & Honda is good.

For the amount of money, there are many other car models to consider. But since the TS mention T v H, ill keep to that topic.

This post has been edited by omnimech: Aug 2 2012, 02:42 PM

Oh do bear in mind the Facelift Honda City has improve the FC and has a Eco guide to it...

the fuel savings from Honda City and Vios can be debatable... I have driven a City before (not animore now) and I can get around 600++KM on a full tank...

I believe it is your foot... since Honda City engine is more rev happy and engaging people think to drive more aggressive without knowing it. while in another hand vios engine is more smooth (it is tune that way) and you may drive in a more relax manner... hence contribut to fuel savings... next time drive a city but keep your eve on your foot preasure you see wonders...

Oh another hand L15a i-vtec engine in the Honda City engine come with Power VTEC implementation which mean if you drive aggresive the VTEC power came will open (also known as Wild Cam profile) which produce AWESOME power and of course fuel also laaa... but if you drive gentle the eco light will lit up (in green) and VTEC cam profile will go into lean burn and maximize fuel and comfort

old version no eco light so driver dont know...

on vios pulak the Old engine is a VVTi (Variable Valve Timing ONLY) with Computer controlled (hence the i)
it has no Cam profile (hence no so called WILD cam) which mean the engine will only have 1 cam profile throughout the range... low tech stuff

lets compare the term

i-VTEC i =(Intelligent) V=(Variable Valve Timing) T=(Lift) E=(Electronic) C=(Control)
Hence it is called Intelligent Variable Valve Timing with Lift Electronic Control

While Toyota called VVTi stands for V= (Variable) V=(Valve) T=(Timing) i=(intelligent)

you want i-VTEC in toyota go look for VVTi-L found in Lexus!!!



This post has been edited by calvin_ng: Aug 2 2012, 02:57 PM

high FC because got better output..? topspeed maybe will win by 10kmh only or maybe same.
for pickup and city use, anytime vios win. 0 to 100kmh can smoke city anytime. even a drunkman in vios can smoke your city for the pickup. for highway drive, comfort wise, both same only. last time i try use my sis honda city, maxspeed just 185km also. i just back from kl to penang last weekend and i able to achieve 195kmh for stock vios, sport rim 15". Even at 160 to 180kmh average, full tank come back to penang still left 4 bars petrol.

I still can't get over the fact that the govt manipulated the media and made us buy Honda City !!!

wow.. brain wiring problem..? same meaning but not govt troll u to buy city.. please get your wires connected properly... i understand there is big thunder after rain.. might hit your wiring system..

all rite since you want to compare lets compare

Pulled from their respective website

Honda City (Facelift)
Engine Type 4 Cylinder 16 Valve SOHC i-VTEC
Fuel Supply System PGM-FI (Programmed Fuel Injection)
Bore & Stroke (mm) 73.0 x 89.4
Displacement (cc) 1,497
Compression Ratio 10.4
Maximum Power [PS(kW)/rpm] 120PS (88)@6,600
Maximum Torque [Nm(kg-m)/rpm] 145 (14.8)@4,800
Drive-by-Wire (DBW) YES

Toyota VIOS
Engine Model 1NZ-FE
Engine Type Type4-Cylinder In-line, 16-Valve, DOHC with VVT-i
Displacement (cc)1,497
Max. Output (SAE-NET)80kW (109PS) / 6,000 rpm
Max. Torque (SAE NET)141Nm (14.4kg-m) / 4,200 rpm

so the answer Acceleration from 0-100 need good torque

Vios has 141NM at 4200 rpm while City has 145NM at 4,800 (City has higher rev for the engine to climb)

Top speed

Vios has 109PS while City has 120PS WOW

Also look at gearbox

Type4-Speed Automatic with Super ECT on VIOS
5-Speed Automatic with Shift Hold Control on CITY also come with paddle shift !!!

Every time you talk about a car, you somehow manage to be able to drive one and give your opinion on it.

Seems kind of dubious to me, but fine, Ill bite.

First of all, i drive a much faster car than a vios or a city, so before you start saying you are going to smoke me, please check what car you drive.

Secondly, the honda city have a limited top speed via ecu which can be unlocked. And I can assure you, if you start high revving both cars, the FC is going to be about the same.

The FC i posted above was related to city drive and the driver has to have a very soft right foot.

Advertised FC is always based on drivers driving style.

I am not sure what is the max bars of petrol for a vios but I somewhat doubt that it is more than half tank after the trip from KL to Penang especially, if you are constantly at 180 to 195 kmph if you so claim..

Anyways, bottom line. My argument from the start is.

Vios is very dated technology. Comparing Toyota to Honda. Honda City is a better choice.

If you were to bring in Kia Forte, or Ford Fiesta,

I may argue, that those are better choices and the Ford Fiesta is cheaper than both T and H.

I was not the one who brought the whole "govt manipulated media" crap into a car discussion.

So mike did you buy your new car already or wait after general election or wait after 2015?

Dont bother la.

Previous discussion about Audi TT versus Golf GTI also this fella pull out bullshit from the air.

He knows nothing yet talks as if he owns every car in the world in his garage.

He drove this and he drove that.

When corrected, he can come out with arguement like, he only drove a golf gti before and he smoked an audi tt. hence his conclusion is audi tt is shit and golf gti is da bomb.

* Regardless of whether the Audi TT was even trying to race. LOl


This post has been edited by omnimech: Aug 2 2012, 03:10 PM

the think is who the hell want to drive a so called DOHC engine that produce 109ps... compare to a better SOHC engine that produce 120ps...

SOHC engine is lighter... and Euro 4 compliant hahaha Looser...

Toyota fanboy will always be fanboys... they will take a Shit and say it is a Good shit!!!

reality SHIT is always a SHIT!!! face it!!!