I will do whatever I want to do, and it's funny how you didn't have any problem with other members posting in this 'graveyard' post for months until recently, hmm?

I also like how you say 'revenge' post because that's the exact defensive mentality of people in MLM. Of course it's about sour grapes, and not about awareness at all.

They're 100% a fucking scam. They prey on the gullible and trustworthy. Why else would the refund policy be so fucking unfair.

A friend of mine got suckered into going through with it and curiosity took him all the way to phase 3. He signed up because they allowed him to talk to a bunch of people who he viewed as trustworthy (and what a coincidence, even someone who went to his university who had a sob story about how McOcean changed their life).

This friend of mine is as honest as they come and they knew it. They pressured him into signing there and then, and when he asked if he could have a day to think about it, they kept insisting he signed it there and then. He made a really stupid decision and decided to sign up there and then, suckered in by the beautiful story they told.

He regretted it about a week or two later, asked for a refund. But their refund process is crazy complicated. Upfront they keep about 10% (admin fee... ) and 6% gst (because when you pay the RM30k+, you're essentially buying their products, they treat this as a sale for their company hence the gst collected, which is absolute bullshit and a way to make people feel as if they shouldn't quit becuse they'd lose the 6% gst on top of the 10% admin fee).

Furthermore, they won't take back products where the box has been opened, even though the contents are intact, and they'll take back whole boxes only. (When you buy the products, they give you 5 boxes each with a variety of bullshit products - seriously, it's crap, filled with dubious claims, shit like ionizers and overpriced health drinks).

They also won't give you back the balance, you gotta collect it from your upline, which they only have to do if they can make more sales.

If the upline does give bak the money, my friend will lose circa RM10k, if they goyang kaki and don't or lie, he will lose RM25k++, almost 70% of how much he paid. Yeah, he made a stupid decision to join, but this is no way for him to be punished, especially knowing how innocent and honest this guy is.

Don't join McOcean, they do not have your best interest at heart, all of them. They're conmen who prey on the hopeful and I wouldn't be surprised if many of the guys in it are also conned but feel stuck since they're RM30k + in the hole. But by deceiving people, they're the same cockroaches as the rest of the lot...

DONT. JOIN. MCOCEAN.

The interesting part is, if the sales contract is between the company and the buyer (so called distributor), the refund should be payable to the same direction. How it goes to the upline?

Can use contract law to sue

According to SSM, any profit or purchase will be split between Mcocean and Steady Dynasty -- McOcean gets 32% and Steady Dynasty gets 68%.

So when you refund, you can only inmediately get back the 32% money from McOcean. The other 68% you have to chase Steady Dynasty aka your uplines for it (and that's minus the GST and admin fee)

All the uplines are snakes, they'll try to weasel out of paying back the money by disappearing or just plain not answering the terminated members' calls.

Like I said when I started posting here.. I came to check it out because I was invited. And when I finish reading everything its really saddening that so many people have been here writing and the company is still out there.

I for one, would like to know how to stop these kind of company, if they are a scam.
Because Amway is also MLM, phytoscience is also MLM, Riway is also MLM, and they also have scam, lie, steal, bluff their way around other people as well.

I also understand that talking about how bad the company in this thread won't do anything. But why hasn't the authorities do anything about it? Why are they still operating?

Like other real scams out there, how do we stop them?
Instead of just beating around the bush about it?
Why can't we stop them?
Why are they still in business?
Why are they still having their license?

There's so many whys' but nothing is happening. So what can we do? In all the post, nobody suggested any solutions. Nobody mentioned anything about closing them down. Nobody came up with a brilliant ideas.

How can we allow companies like this to function?
How do we stop scams?

Shouldnt we work towards this?
Instead of going again and again and again on how they scam people?

I want to know how to stop them if they are scams.
Anybody?

Okay, agreed. I purchased their board of directors data and financial statement on SSM, I just want to see how true their words are about the business.

Right now PRDM is compiling a list of scams, but they will only put in a company if enough victims comes ahead to report to them. That should be a good first step for McOcean victims. The authorities have gotten slightly vigilant after recent scam events.

We need to spread it out, let everybody knows what Mc Ocean is, no one will join them except those greedy shits. Not ALL people who joined Mc Ocean are bad guy as you mentioned, some of them got cheated, threatened, and mislead. If people would share their story of being scammed by Mc Ocean just let them, it will be more convincing to tell people how bad is Mc Ocean.

Agreed. But there must be hard evidence of scam.
Because what we are spreading are still stories of people posting here. We don't want to be seen as fools if their story turns out to be false or anger messages.


I believe there are always truth is everything.
If they are a scam then they deserve to be shut down.
If they are not.. as long as we don't look like idiots.

This post has been edited by LordXion: Oct 17 2017, 04:48 PM

I wouldn't say that, they prey on the naive and hopeful. They slowly nudge people who are hoping for an extra income (for whatever reason, sick family members, escape from corproate job, need more money for a better life etc). Not all of the people who join are motivated by greed.

They let you talk with their members who seem caring and genuine, they never show any malice, just care.

I used to think the same, that people who get scammed from operations such as McOcrean are stupid/greedy, but then my friend got scammed, and he is honest to a fault and just waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too trustworthy (also an idiot for not googling them =.= but his reasoning is that they came off as honest and was brainwashed during the session and pressured to sign there and then)

Yeah, i'm trying to convince my friend to seek legal advice but he still wants to give his uplines the benefit of the doubt. They say that it'll take a couple of month so he's waiting before he sues them.

Didn't know people still actively posting in this forum. My cousin just had a nightmare with them.

Usually they will delay and act slow to response if you have problem, but during business together talking about team support, team support, how special of this MLM is because of the TEAM.
The more you give the more you get, this is like the way they practice in this business. But, somehow not everyone followed even though earning 5 digits. People tends to be selfish, no matter where and who you are.

Victims are getting more, who is having a good life, comfort zone, after joining then life getting worse. If this business is not successful, you are gonna pay back the loan your a** off.

One thing i really feel sad and pitiful for those who sourcing of paying high interest for long term by joining as SP 35K. The uplines are the evil to make you get loan from high interested instead of low. Why? RHB easy express approve within few hours. But the thing is highest interested among of all the bank as research. They will give lotsa reason to stop you getting yourself, so you don't have cooling period or extra time to turn off of joining as SP 35K. The success rate is high you know as what they said to their partners. Is this called Sincere of helping each other to grow and success?

Internal leader meeting as one of the KP uplines shared with my friend, she can't run this business as part time due to they stopped her running full time family business. They want you to full focus run and run and sacrifice your life, your time, your energy, paying everything to this business. The car that they are driving, is local made, and small car. leaders pushing, asking them to change BMW, Mercedes and teasing them in front of all the KPs during team meeting. So, what is this so different compared to other MLM business?

If you are looking for time freedom and financial freedom, this is not the business you are looking at all. Don't get trapped by their words. Too good to be true, don't make yourself suffer by increasing your debts burden. It's not worth at all. Just my two cent.

You wont have time to googling them, before stage 3 you will not able to know the name of company, and the moment you know the name of company you have to pay the fees already, that's why most people who post their story here were scammed already

That the reason we must keep this post alive

There must be a reason why they are still in the business after so long ? Either no one report or its not a scam ? After so long im really curious ???

Lol seems like a scam wei this

great business transaction

I see...

That's the problem
Too friendly make me felt they are so fake

Thanks for ur sharing