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> Complain against Silverfire, Help me settle guys :(

pallmall
post Jul 30 2012, 04:34 PM

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hahaha roflmaowtfbbq i knew it that lens already broken at 1st

now where all the ppl that backing up this so called 'safe trader' ?

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post Jul 30 2012, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(RangerRed @ Jul 20 2012, 10:34 AM)
I have contacted Nikon PKNS just now and have forwarded to their service deportment. Their Assistant Manger is on leave to day but they now have the link to the dispute via email. Hopefully, they will get back to me concerning this soon.
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Izwan898 dupe account kah?

Izwan898
post Jul 30 2012, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(MakNok @ Jul 30 2012, 05:35 PM)
Izwan898 dupe account kah?
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LOL no bro...he's just a clever samaritan...
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post Jul 30 2012, 05:51 PM

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so with evidence in hand.

Silverfire should be strip of "safetrader" as he knowingly buy from his friend and resell as a "Trader" (claim not selling on behalf of friend).

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Added on July 30, 2012, 5:52 pm
QUOTE(Silverfire @ Jul 22 2012, 11:17 PM)
If so, that pilot ought to be sacked for overlooking 2 screws.
Facts:


  • Demo unit - Compensated

  • 2 missing screws - You claim that you checked everything yet you overlook the 2 screws as opposed to the Demo word on the receipt

  • Duration in your care - Approx 50 days although we've been discussing it as 1 month or more than 1 month

  • I do not have photo of rear lens, preferably dated 2nd May 2012. This proves nothing as dates can be faked, so its neither here nor there.

  • You do not have photo of rear lens, preferably dated 6th May 2012. This proves nothing as dates can be faked, so its neither here nor there.

  • You said you care how many have used the lens before you. You did not ask how many.

  • You said it is your standard to take a photo of rear lens. You did not request for one.

  • You indirectly accused me of duping. Directly accused me of being dishonest.

  • Nikon did not take apart the aperture ring, it was already in that condition when you submitted to them for repairs.

  • Dropping or knocking a lens do not 100% guarantee a scratch or dent. Experienced users can testify to that claim.

  • To quote the exact words from the quotation, it went: RETURNED UNREPAIR AS REQUEST. IMPACT DAMAGE, WARRANTY NOT APPLICABLE. SCREW MISSING, APERTURE PROBLEM, REPLACE G1, G2, G6 LENS, AF CONTACT, G4-G5, G7 ASSEMBLY, QUOTED RM1,202.00.

Assumptions:


  • Assume your elements groups weren't damage, I don't see why Nikon would con you.

  • Assume the 2 screws are already missing while in my possession, I overlook that and you overlook that upon receiving it. In that case, I fail to see how 2 missing screws on the mounting can cause so much damage.

  • Now you claim the same lens was submitted to Nikon for repair prior to this incident, with similar issues. Namely: Impact damage, screw missing, aperture problem, replace G1, G2 & G6 lens, AF contact, G4-G5, G7 assembly. If that was true, I fail to see how the lens was still operable while in yours and my possession.

Solution:
Now, I'm not sure what kind of solution you're looking for but what I can offer you is only peace of mind even if indeed said lens was submitted for repair prior to this. For you now know the cause of 2 missing screws weren't you.
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too much detective imagination!!

Please do refund ASAP...

This post has been edited by MakNok: Jul 30 2012, 05:53 PM
shahru98
post Jul 30 2012, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(MakNok @ Jul 30 2012, 05:51 PM)
so with evidence in hand.

Silverfire should be strip of "safetrader" as he knowingly buy from his friend and resell as a "Trader" (claim not selling on behalf of friend).

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Added on July 30, 2012, 5:52 pm
too much detective imagination!!

Please do refund ASAP...
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He'll probably try to not go for that solution.
This also means that the lens is not covered with Nikon warranty to begin with.
I'm not trying to be smart, but as a seller you should know what you are selling.
Safe Trader tag is for him to lose now.

This post has been edited by shahru98: Jul 30 2012, 09:48 PM
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post Jul 30 2012, 09:43 PM

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and to THOSe who are might have say something "wrong".

please have a BIG HEART and apologies here.


Should be fair to TS and "condemn" those IDIOT who "knew" on what they are trading...
moreOver using "SafeTrader" as a shield to hide their cowardice


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post Jul 30 2012, 10:02 PM

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lol, i actually find this thread quite amusing...

not only that, i learn a lot about lenses without photography knowledge =D
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post Jul 30 2012, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(gallantdestroyer @ Jul 30 2012, 10:02 PM)
lol, i actually find this thread quite amusing...

not only that, i learn a lot about lenses without photography knowledge =D
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Why u find this thread so amusing kind sir? hmm.gif


Added on July 30, 2012, 10:09 pm
QUOTE(MakNok @ Jul 30 2012, 09:43 PM)
and to THOSe who are might have say something "wrong".

please have a BIG HEART and apologies here.
Should be fair to TS and "condemn" those IDIOT who "knew" on what they are trading...
moreOver using "SafeTrader" as a shield to hide their cowardice
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One of matured forumer here....thank you bro...appreciate it... notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

This post has been edited by Izwan898: Jul 30 2012, 10:09 PM
gallantdestroyer
post Jul 30 2012, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(Izwan898 @ Jul 30 2012, 10:08 PM)
Why u find this thread so amusing kind sir?  hmm.gif


Added on July 30, 2012, 10:09 pm

One of matured forumer here....thank you bro...appreciate it...  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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lol, pardon me for busybody.. i mean, entertaining as i learn quite a lot here... Sorry bout that...

just one advice, the seller might be really a victim as well as he got it from his friend...
give him a chance to give responsible bah..

clearly the fault came from seller's careless mistake...
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post Jul 30 2012, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(Izwan898 @ Jul 30 2012, 03:24 PM)
Yeah...very embarrassing... blush.gif
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post the big picture on first post... dont post thumbnail as people who already read this thread can easily miss your update
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post Jul 30 2012, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(liquidsny @ Jul 30 2012, 10:27 PM)
post the big picture on first post... dont post thumbnail as people who already read this thread can easily miss your update
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Ok done. Thanks bro notworthy.gif
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post Jul 30 2012, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(Silverfire @ Jul 22 2012, 11:17 PM)
If so, that pilot ought to be sacked for overlooking 2 screws.
Facts:

  • Demo unit - Compensated
  • 2 missing screws - You claim that you checked everything yet you overlook the 2 screws as opposed to the Demo word on the receipt
  • Duration in your care - Approx 50 days although we've been discussing it as 1 month or more than 1 month
  • I do not have photo of rear lens, preferably dated 2nd May 2012. This proves nothing as dates can be faked, so its neither here nor there.
  • You do not have photo of rear lens, preferably dated 6th May 2012. This proves nothing as dates can be faked, so its neither here nor there.
  • You said you care how many have used the lens before you. You did not ask how many.
  • You said it is your standard to take a photo of rear lens. You did not request for one.
  • You indirectly accused me of duping. Directly accused me of being dishonest.
  • Nikon did not take apart the aperture ring, it was already in that condition when you submitted to them for repairs.
  • Dropping or knocking a lens do not 100% guarantee a scratch or dent. Experienced users can testify to that claim.
  • To quote the exact words from the quotation, it went: RETURNED UNREPAIR AS REQUEST. IMPACT DAMAGE, WARRANTY NOT APPLICABLE. SCREW MISSING, APERTURE PROBLEM, REPLACE G1, G2, G6 LENS, AF CONTACT, G4-G5, G7 ASSEMBLY, QUOTED RM1,202.00.
Assumptions:

  • Assume your elements groups weren't damage, I don't see why Nikon would con you.
  • Assume the 2 screws are already missing while in my possession, I overlook that and you overlook that upon receiving it. In that case, I fail to see how 2 missing screws on the mounting can cause so much damage.
  • Now you claim the same lens was submitted to Nikon for repair prior to this incident, with similar issues. Namely: Impact damage, screw missing, aperture problem, replace G1, G2 & G6 lens, AF contact, G4-G5, G7 assembly. If that was true, I fail to see how the lens was still operable while in yours and my possession.
Solution:
Now, I'm not sure what kind of solution you're looking for but what I can offer you is only peace of mind even if indeed said lens was submitted for repair prior to this. For you now know the cause of 2 missing screws weren't you.
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please make full refund to buyer. as your item did not match with your description.
and nikon state it was broken and screw were missing at first place .

FULL REFUND.
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post Jul 30 2012, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(hanissyazwan @ Jul 30 2012, 11:05 PM)
please make full refund to buyer. as your item did not match with your description.
and nikon state it was broken and screw were missing at first place .

FULL REFUND.
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any update for this case?
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post Jul 30 2012, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(kripkorn @ Jul 30 2012, 11:12 PM)
any update for this case?
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Nothing yet from seller aka Silverfire.... hmm.gif
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post Jul 30 2012, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(Izwan898 @ Jul 30 2012, 11:14 PM)
Nothing yet from seller aka Silverfire.... hmm.gif
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Doubt he will ever refund you nor reply you.

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post Jul 30 2012, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(natzakaria @ Jul 30 2012, 11:24 PM)
Doubt he will ever refund you nor reply you.
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Maybe a trade enforcer or mod can help me? icon_question.gif
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post Jul 30 2012, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(Izwan898 @ Jul 30 2012, 11:30 PM)
Maybe a trade enforcer or mod can help me? icon_question.gif
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U think???
Anyway good luck

While some complain about rempit robbing etc - same is done here and nothing can be done
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post Jul 30 2012, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(natzakaria @ Jul 30 2012, 11:32 PM)
U think???
Anyway good luck

While some complain about rempit robbing etc - same is done here and nothing can be done
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If no one here can help me, I will make another report to the commercial crime branch...
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post Jul 30 2012, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(pallmall @ Jul 22 2012, 01:07 PM)
at least as a seller do not run away from this kind of problems, that could do

You cannot expect seller to be knowing every mm of the item - if it is me, dont sell if u not know what item u selling, sorry no intentions to hurt anyone

im not siding anyone, but as a buyer myself i am with TS, for seller, show some of your helpfulness or maybe seller responsibilities? and help at least maybe clain for TS?

u have such a good english from your writing, and im sure u are a clever student so why dont u show it?

peace no war, just my 2 cent, dont want throw away then
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I did not see that he have the full responsibility to follow up EVERYTHING.

Yes, to an extent of explanation etc, but there would be a limit for the responsibility part. Any excess is up to the seller to provide.

Now, since it is proven that the screws are missing, i just wonder if there is a proper reason to actually refund in full or not.

The point is, it is never being covered by personal warranty at all. Even if it is covered, it won't be that long. It is between Nikon and buyer as stated in the thread.

Imagine if seller sell something to one fellow with 3 days personal warranty, should the seller be responsible for something that is proven due to seller's fault after 1 month??

Imagine if a manufacturer have build something that have 1 year warranty,but the nature of the item like tendency to overheating that lead to auto shut down and eventually timed out after operate about 1.5 years due to the manufacturing design. Can they be held liable?

Where is the exact ground of asking for refund in the first place? It is a faulty item as proven by now, but even new items have a time limit on such a claims.

If like this, after settling this issue (assume settle), then "new" fault comes into light again, can seller be held liable like this FOREVER??? Like this, all 2nd hand seller can BANKRUPT or out of business!!!

This post has been edited by Quantum_thinking: Jul 30 2012, 11:43 PM
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post Jul 30 2012, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(Izwan898 @ Jul 30 2012, 11:35 PM)
If no one here can help me, I will make another report to the commercial crime branch...
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Thats a better move to get rid of these f**cfaced cons

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