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post Jul 4 2012, 08:38 PM, updated 14y ago

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http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6019511928#17

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We recognize that the item hunt is just not enough for a long-term sustainable end-game. There are still tons of people playing every day and week, and playing a lot, but eventually they're going to run out of stuff to do (if they haven't already). Killing enemies and finding items is a lot of fun, and we think we have a lot of the systems surrounding that right, or at least on the right path with a few corrections and tweaks. But honestly Diablo III is not World of Warcraft. We aren't going to be able to pump out tons of new systems and content every couple months. There needs to be something else that keeps people engaged, and we know it's not there right now.

We're working toward 1.0.4, which we're really trying to pack with as many fixes and changes we can to help you guys out (and we'll have a bunch of articles posted with all the details as we get closer), and we're of course working on 1.1 with PvP arenas. I think both those patches will do a lot to give people things to do, and get them excited about playing, but they're not going to be a real end-game solution, at least not what we would expect out of a proper end-game. We have some ideas for progression systems, but honestly it's a huge feature if we want to try to do it right, and not something we could envision being possible until well after 1.1 which it itself still a ways out.


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They only realized this now? shakehead.gif Why not like years before this while developing the game doh.gif

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post Jul 4 2012, 08:41 PM

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I think it should be read: "We are trying our best to further milk your hard-earned cash over non-existing goods, for as long as possible because if you peeps stop playing, we're dead meat."

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But honestly Diablo III is not World of Warcraft.


WoW. What an incredible revelation.

I guess better late than never. I seriously wish them luck in their future endeavour. They're gonna need it. That and the load of rabid (un-enlightened) fanboys.

They used to make good games. Now they're only interested in what would get you addicted. F8cking sellouts... shakehead.gif

/snarky
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post Jul 4 2012, 09:08 PM

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The only way they can get out of this hole is they remove the level 60 cap and let everyone level all the way to 99. Thing is even then, they're still screwed cause the skill system only caters for level 1-60. doh.gif
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post Jul 4 2012, 09:09 PM

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Not surprised since its not developed by the original diablo team, but i doubt it will make a difference.
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140k and now 14k. Lost about 136k players..
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post Jul 4 2012, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(kEazYc @ Jul 4 2012, 09:09 PM)
Not surprised since its not developed by the original diablo team, but i doubt it will make a difference.
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They had the wrong idea about how to implement endgame anyways.

How they implemented it: Cap the game at level 60, then added an additional difficulty mode (inferno) and made it extremely challenging. In doing this, they hope that players will take months to clear inferno
How it went: Hardcore and very seasoned players cleared it within weeks, and a few have quit the game due to the lack of things to do in the game. This is no surprise, as the items you can farm in game are max ilvl63, lack of variation in item stats, drops. Majority of players (casuals) felt that inferno was incredibly frustrating, some have quit because of this and this number continues to rise every day

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when u in inferno, what we do is farm gold... nothing much... how many of us can survive in the boredom of farming?

aiya, when is the release of hots? sad.gif
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jul 4 2012, 09:38 PM)
They had the wrong idea about how to implement endgame anyways.

How they implemented it: Cap the game at level 60, then added an additional difficulty mode (inferno) and made it extremely challenging. In doing this, they hope that players will take months to clear inferno
How it went: Hardcore and very seasoned players cleared it within weeks, and a few have quit the game due to the lack of things to do in the game. This is no surprise, as the items you can farm in game are max ilvl63, lack of variation in item stats, drops. Majority of players (casuals) felt that inferno was incredibly frustrating, some have quit because of this and this number continues to rise every day
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What the game needs is hats.
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post Jul 4 2012, 09:50 PM

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cough* feels like a lie to me

so whats the D3 expension about then? Whimsyshire lvl2?

marhye, fark actiblizzard la


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What the game needs is hats.
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post Jul 4 2012, 09:58 PM

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They will introduce a new boss

Azmodan will form the legs
Belial will form the body & hands
Ghom will form the butt
Diablo will form the head

All prime evils shout: THE TRUE PRIME EVIL!



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post Jul 4 2012, 10:06 PM

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Why not just add a tower defense game mode where players have to survive endless waves of enemies? That should keep players bz for awhile.

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post Jul 4 2012, 10:41 PM

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"Diablo III is not World of Warcraft"

then why the fk they implement RMAH? FOR FUN?
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agree on the item and im still frsutrated with the always online and server maintenance...
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post Jul 4 2012, 11:03 PM

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But honestly Diablo III is not World of Warcraft.


But by God did they try to make it into WoW : Lite Edition
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post Jul 4 2012, 11:09 PM

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legendary items looks nice but is junk with those stats
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okay Blizzard take that for delaying Diablo series for such a long time. The more anticipation, the more disappointment.

This news just to buy back the "hopes" that they can still hold on to. Good luck Diablo team!
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the money game dies just like the last cinematic

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QUOTE(olman @ Jul 4 2012, 11:09 PM)
legendary items looks nice but is junk with those stats


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QUOTE(deodorant @ Jul 4 2012, 11:45 PM)
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y do wiz need strength for? to wield the heavy wand? laugh.gif
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D2 items are incredible. love those EQ that adding skill level and etc
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QUOTE(DrLaboo @ Jul 5 2012, 12:21 AM)
imma sell all my gears now
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post Jul 5 2012, 12:55 AM

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Good luck to the D3 team then, i really didnt expect D3 to burn out so fast for me.
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post Jul 5 2012, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Jul 4 2012, 11:45 PM)
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doh.gif shakehead.gif

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drool.gif drool.gif Will take this any day. 5 to all skills and my personal decrepify debuffer tongue.gif

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jul 5 2012, 01:00 AM)
doh.gif  shakehead.gif

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drool.gif  drool.gif Will take this any day. 5 to all skills and my personal decrepify debuffer  tongue.gif
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got to love the old stats.
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post Jul 5 2012, 01:27 AM

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post Jul 5 2012, 01:43 AM

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We have some ideas for progression systems, but honestly it's a huge feature if we want to try to do it right, and not something we could envision being possible until well after 1.1 which it itself still a ways out


Hmm I wonder what that could be? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Jul 5 2012, 01:27 AM)
this is the example i was talking about. nice graphic, but inferior statwise to 99% of the stuff on the auction house. lots of them are more affordable and still can dps better than this -.-;

but you know what, blizzard didn't admit there was anything wrong with this, until lots of the fans complained.

but even then some sets, they are adamant they won't even bother buffing or changing such as natalya's which is downright shitty for the most part rolleyes.gif
Exactly. The legendaries in D2 were WAY MORE UNIQUE statwise, and VERY VIABLE !! very rarely would anyone in D2 not use a legendary or set item they find, compared with D3. It's gotten worse in D3 (minus the graphics which did improve, but can't say the same for stats and uniqueness)
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jul 4 2012, 09:38 PM)
They had the wrong idea about how to implement endgame anyways.

How they implemented it: Cap the game at level 60, then added an additional difficulty mode (inferno) and made it extremely challenging. In doing this, they hope that players will take months to clear inferno
How it went: Hardcore and very seasoned players cleared it within weeks, and a few have quit the game due to the lack of things to do in the game. This is no surprise, as the items you can farm in game are max ilvl63, lack of variation in item stats, drops. Majority of players (casuals) felt that inferno was incredibly frustrating, some have quit because of this and this number continues to rise every day
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right on the point. quit d3 2 weeks ago n never bother to touch it again. yawn.gif

QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jul 4 2012, 11:53 PM)
I think they just too lazy to code and decided to randomize everyshit availables doh.gif
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they juz wan to rush out a game to get $$ so their 2012 financial yr looks good for the shareholder. n you are correct, y a wiz need STR stats. y a 1 hand weapon has DH skill attribute on it? does DH even bother to use sword,staff n etc? all their eq stats is so mambo jumble up together. rclxub.gif

cheer up, on the bright side, GW 2 release on 28.8.2012 smile.gif
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Jul 5 2012, 03:36 AM)
cheer up, on the bright side, GW 2 release on 28.8.2012 smile.gif
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And at the same time, i should probably be praying everyday, hoping that GW2 will not be a big pile of poo like Diablo 3 or Mass Effect 3, to a certain extent.

Why is everyone thinks that GW2 will be the game that will awesome in every way and suppress the disappointment with Diablo 3?I actually think that GW2 is incredibly overhype to the point that the same mass "disappointments" that happened with Diablo 3 will happen again.

No doubt GW2 looks great at the moment and the Dynamic Event sounds really interesting, but i think it might be a good idea not to overhype another game then become very disappointed with the game after release.

At the same time, i really hope GW2 will prove me wrong that it is really a good, fun game, as almost all the games i bought this year are fairly terrible games.
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I wouldn't worry Cheese. It's not GW3. Something sial about the number 3 this year.brows.gif

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Jul 5 2012, 03:44 AM)
And at the same time, i should probably be praying everyday, hoping that GW2 will not be a big pile of poo like Diablo 3 or Mass Effect 3, to a certain extent.

Why is everyone thinks that GW2 will be the game that will awesome in every way and suppress the disappointment with Diablo 3?I actually think that GW2 is incredibly overhype to the point that the same mass "disappointments" that happened with Diablo 3 will happen again.

No doubt GW2 looks great at the moment and the Dynamic Event sounds really interesting, but i think it might be a good idea not to overhype another game then become very disappointed with the game after release.

At the same time, i really hope GW2 will prove me wrong that it is really a good, fun game, as almost all the games i bought this year are fairly terrible games.
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jul 5 2012, 01:43 AM)
Hmm I wonder what that could be?  hmm.gif

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Oh waaaitt... doh.gif
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What I believe they should come up with more new content, like making each hero job till lvl 60 and reward will be given. Or maybe put some achievement to unlock certain levels and items...
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jul 4 2012, 08:38 PM)
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6019511928#17
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They only realized this now?  shakehead.gif Why not like years before this while developing the game  doh.gif
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http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6019511928?page=3
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Haha... oh wait, that's mean! I don't know that I'm allowed to release specific concurrency numbers, but we have hundreds upon hundreds of thousands playing every night. Comparing to just normal drop-off post release of a WoW expansion, Diablo III has been very solid, and it's not even out in China yet.


I'm still waiting for my cheap items.

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Up the ilvl63 item stats, not some crappy shit. and expansion as free DLC! more mobs, more bosses, more elites, more loots! remove 60 cap.

and let people smash more vases and switch MF gears.
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QUOTE(SpikeTwo @ Jul 5 2012, 09:46 AM)
Up the ilvl63 item stats, not some crappy shit. and expansion as free DLC! more mobs, more bosses, more elites, more loots! remove 60 cap.

and let people smash more vases and switch MF gears.
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Even Blizz increase the level cap to 200, I bet you'll see many LvL200 heroes in a week.
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Hundreds of thousands? If you heard it from Bashiok, you just got trolled. He's pulling facts and figures out of his ass again. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jul 5 2012, 09:50 AM)
Hundreds of thousands? If you heard it from Bashiok, you just got trolled. He's pulling facts and figures out of his ass again.  rclxms.gif
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If you read, I use the "price" benchmark @ AH to determine the demand.
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1) adjust LEGENG'DARY Stats according to the player level during drop, i.e. low level gets low level legend stats and vice versa, meaning legendary has no fix level requirement, it can be of same level to the character that discover it

2) i like the "Tower Defense" suggestion..i 2nd it strongly

3) More easter eggs level/items/cutscene

4) where's the character profile at battlenet page that blizzy say gonna put up, at least it can give those players to browse other player setup/achievements

5) more custom chat option, personal/private/clan/guild/country channel option

6) more "Aesthetic Features" like to those Dye/Wing in game

7) Bring back gamble function (after all its a gold sink mechanism what)

8) Remove those unpopular affixes and replace with new type or D2 like affixes

9) Bigger Pots, intro +stat pots, +resist pots, +speed pots & other similar buff from consumption

10) time to time special event with special rewards (limited time only, add to achievement)

11) remove neph valor <-- jangan marah aaa..my personal view

12) more refine search function in AH
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jul 5 2012, 09:50 AM)
Hundreds of thousands? If you heard it from Bashiok, you just got trolled. He's pulling facts and figures out of his ass again.  rclxms.gif
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where is your statistics of less than 100k players online concurrently came from? do they have direct access to blizz servers to measure players online?
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QUOTE(HaRuaN.X @ Jul 5 2012, 09:53 AM)
my "Unreal-like it gonna happen" hope list
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Why remove NV???

I just completed Inferno last night; after like 400 hours of gameplay (and AFK)... ok, i m a slow leveler... while "end game" has room for improvement, i think Bliz is already doing a good job on this game. (Dont hate me/Bliz) This game is just 2 months old. D2 took years (even after expansion) to be really cool too. Bliz recognized some unexpected result and are rectifying it with 1.1 on the Legendary.

For me, in my recent memory, no other game that can make me play for that long... i made some real money from the game too. so, i have no complain.
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main problem is , im dont even have THE STATIFIED FEEL since normal:


like i brought a iphone 99cent game length

suck rare suck legendary suck side quest

suck diablo with boobs

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 5 2012, 10:15 AM)
where is your statistics of less than 100k players online concurrently came from? do they have direct access to blizz servers to measure players online?
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While this is a sample size, I think this is a good reflection of the current downward trend thats going on in the D3 playerbase.

Bashiok? Forever a joke and a troll, since WoW days yawn.gif

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jul 5 2012, 10:45 AM)
While this is a sample size, I think this is a good reflection of the current downward trend thats going on in the D3 playerbase.
Bashiok? Forever a joke and a troll, since WoW days  yawn.gif
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my question still stands:
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where is your statistics of less than 100k players online concurrently came from? do they have direct access to blizz servers to measure players online?



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QUOTE(takkicom @ Jul 5 2012, 10:36 AM)
main problem is , im dont even have THE STATIFIED FEEL since normal:
like i brought a iphone 99cent game length

suck rare suck legendary suck side quest

suck diablo with boobs
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go sell loots, earn usd60 from RMAH, get d3 refunded fully, quit game. done settle, no one need to be unhappy.

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my question still stands:


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go sell loots, earn usd60 from RMAH, get d3 refunded fully, quit game. done settle, no one need to be unhappy.
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the equipment i equip doesnt even worth more than 2m

200 hour NONE good rare like bad luck brian
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 5 2012, 10:47 AM)
my question still stands:


Added on July 5, 2012, 10:49 am

go sell loots, earn usd60 from RMAH, get d3 refunded fully, quit game. done settle, no one need to be unhappy.
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The same can really be said about Bashiok just saying 'hundreds and hundreds of thousands' as is, without the proof to show for it.

QUOTE(Bashiok)
"People think that was the first HC Inferno clear? Weird. Webcams r 2 legit 2 quit. hay HAY"

QUOTE(Bashiok a few days later)
My apologies Kripp and Krippi, looks like you were 1st HC Inferno clear. (my spreadsheet deciphering isn't what it used to be) Congrats!


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QUOTE(takkicom @ Jul 5 2012, 10:55 AM)
the equipment i equip doesnt even worth more than 2m

200 hour NONE good rare like bad luck brian
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jul 5 2012, 10:45 AM)
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While this is a sample size, I think this is a good reflection of the current downward trend thats going on in the D3 playerbase.

Bashiok? Forever a joke and a troll, since WoW days  yawn.gif
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Trend wise, logical. More and more people can no longer online 18 hours a day for D3. But the base is still big. You graph is from xfire. In July D3 still has 40k hours:

http://beta.xfire.com/games/d3

From the same source, WOW just have 45k hours in July:

http://beta.xfire.com/games/wow

Note: these numbers are only for user that join xfire. So, as you can see, the number is quite close, my thinking is, the limit is on number of user that uses xfire.

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jul 5 2012, 10:55 AM)
The same can really be said about Bashiok just saying 'hundreds and hundreds of thousands' as is, without the proof to show for it.

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"People think that was the first HC Inferno clear? Weird. Webcams r 2 legit 2 quit. hay HAY"


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My apologies Kripp and Krippi, looks like you were 1st HC Inferno clear. (my spreadsheet deciphering isn't what it used to be) Congrats!

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he is a CM, you (or justd3.com) aren't.

who do you think people will believe more?

also, do try to add up the players from ALL quests from ALL difficulties, see if your "14k" gets exceeded or not. then think if public games are already exceeding, what about players (like me) who NEVER plays public game? (i entered once to get the 10pt achievement laugh.gif )
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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Jul 5 2012, 10:58 AM)
Trend wise, logical. More and more people can no longer online 18 hours a day for D3. But the base is still big. You graph is from xfire. In July D3 still has 40k user:

http://beta.xfire.com/games/d3

From the same source, WOW just have 45k users in July:

http://beta.xfire.com/games/wow

Note: these numbers are only for user that join xfire. So, as you can see, the number is quite close, my thinking is, the limit is on number of user that uses xfire.
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are you sure its from xfire? (from link image its from justd3.com, or maybe they took/stolen it from xfire, who knows)

EITHERWAY. if it is from xfire, i do not have an xfire account. does that mean i do not play d3?

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the over-exaggeration in this thread jesus.
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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Jul 5 2012, 10:58 AM)
Trend wise, logical. More and more people can no longer online 18 hours a day for D3. But the base is still big. You graph is from xfire. In July D3 still has 40k user:

http://beta.xfire.com/games/d3

From the same source, WOW just have 45k users in July:

http://beta.xfire.com/games/wow

Note: these numbers are only for user that join xfire. So, as you can see, the number is quite close, my thinking is, the limit is on number of user that uses xfire.
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The numbers on xfire don't reflect the actual playerbase number, rather it represents the downward trend in the number of players. From May to Jun, the numbers dropped from 140000 to 50000, that's roughly a 60% drop in just one month.
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jul 5 2012, 11:03 AM)
The numbers on xfire don't reflect the actual playerbase number, rather it represents the downward trend in the number of players. From May to Jun, the numbers dropped from 140000 to 50000, that's roughly a 60% drop in just one month.
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so can you agree that if d3 sold 1mil players. dropping 60% is still 400k. and bashiok's statement of hundred(s) of thousands can still mean 100k and it will still be legit/valid?
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jul 5 2012, 11:03 AM)
The numbers on xfire don't reflect the actual playerbase number, rather it represents the downward trend in the number of players. From May to Jun, the numbers dropped from 140000 to 50000, that's roughly a 60% drop in just one month.
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laugh.gif my mistake. corrected my post. actually i agree that the trends is moving downwards. should bliz worry about it? may be not much. all those users already paid for the game anyway. u stop playing? so long! brows.gif u still wanna play? hey, we got new patch coming... thumbup.gif




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so can you agree that if d3 sold 1mil players. dropping 60% is still 400k. and bashiok's statement of hundred(s) of thousands can still mean 100k and it will still be legit/valid?
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d3 sold 6.3 million in the first week biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Jul 5 2012, 11:08 AM)
laugh.gif my mistake. corrected my post. actually i agree that the trends is moving downwards. should bliz worry about it? may be not much. all those users already paid for the game anyway. u stop playing? so long!  brows.gif u still wanna play? hey, we got new patch coming...  thumbup.gif
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at the very least, no matter how bad of a company they are, how much they "ruined/destroyed/f***ed up" (lol) d3, they admit on their mistakes, and are trying to turn it around.

unlike some other egotistical game companies out there who cant even admit their faults.
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 5 2012, 11:05 AM)
so can you agree that if d3 sold 1mil players. dropping 60% is still 400k. and bashiok's statement of hundred(s) of thousands can still mean 100k and it will still be legit/valid?
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Is just a reflection of the actual number, it cant be accurate, but if 60% is the drop from xfire, then we caan actually see a trend that player is leaving the game.... that all... no need argue accuracy here....
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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Jul 5 2012, 11:09 AM)
d3 sold 6.3 million in the first week biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(jenniferjen @ Jul 5 2012, 11:10 AM)
Is just a reflection of the actual number, it cant be accurate, but if 60% is the drop from xfire, then we caan actually see a trend that player is leaving the game.... that all... no need argue accuracy here....
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im not even arguing about accuracy if you didnt happen to notice smile.gif

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 5 2012, 11:05 AM)
so can you agree that if d3 sold 1mil players. dropping 60% is still 400k. and bashiok's statement of hundred(s) of thousands can still mean 100k and it will still be legit/valid?
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Unless you count out the number of players who bought multiple accounts and ran bots on them, maybe hmm.gif
Thing is unless Blizzard releases actual figures, nobody is going to believe hearsay, especially from the mouth of one CM who can't seem to get his facts right laugh.gif
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You have to realize, the game was so hyped up that every casual gamer bought a copy. I know of several people (girls in fact) who actually started playing before my copy even arrived from Amazon.

These players aren't gonna stick around for long. They'll finish normal, and find better things to do. The numbers were always gonna drop.

The only argument you can make is that xfire represents the more 'hardcore' gamers. If you ask me tho, I think xfire really represents the online FPS, CoD generation. No PvP? Endless grinding? They're gonna lose interest fast and go back to getting frags.

You can infer that the numbers have dropped. Everyone knew that it would. What you can't actually say for certain is how big the numbers have dropped. Only Blizzard knows, and it's up to them whether or not to release those numbers.

Fun fact: my friends list still has 10+ people playing every day. No change from release.
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QUOTE(jenniferjen @ Jul 5 2012, 11:10 AM)
Is just a reflection of the actual number, it cant be accurate, but if 60% is the drop from xfire, then we caan actually see a trend that player is leaving the game.... that all... no need argue accuracy here....
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problem is, since when xfire is ever accurate, they gave dumb figures for MOBAs too dry.gif
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jul 5 2012, 11:11 AM)
Unless you count out the number of players who bought multiple accounts and ran bots on them, maybe   hmm.gif
Thing is unless Blizzard releases actual figures, nobody is going to believe hearsay, especially from the mouth of one CM who can't seem to get his facts right  laugh.gif
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so you're gonna derail this to bots and avoid answering my honest question/plea?

let me turn this back to you: "why do you think people run bots on a game?"
"is it because there is interest, and it is profitable to run bots on said game?"

do think about it. smile.gif

as for bashiok, i've provided some VERY generous numbers to "proof" his fact. you can't even at least attempt to rebuke that? come on, if you want to flame a troll, at least put some effort in to it.


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QUOTE(dishwasher @ Jul 5 2012, 11:11 AM)
You have to realize, the game was so hyped up that every casual gamer bought a copy. I know of several people (girls in fact) who actually started playing before my copy even arrived from Amazon.

These players aren't gonna stick around for long. They'll finish normal, and find better things to do. The numbers were always gonna drop.

The only argument you can make is that xfire represents the more 'hardcore' gamers. If you ask me tho, I think xfire really represents the online FPS, CoD generation. No PvP? Endless grinding? They're gonna lose interest fast and go back to getting frags.

You can infer that the numbers have dropped. Everyone knew that it would. What you can't actually say for certain is how big the numbers have dropped. Only Blizzard knows, and it's up to them whether or not to release those numbers.

Fun fact: my friends list still has 10+ people playing every day. No change from release.
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Why remove NV???

I just completed Inferno last night; after like 400 hours of gameplay (and AFK)... ok, i m a slow leveler... while "end game" has room for improvement, i think Bliz is already doing a good job on this game. (Dont hate me/Bliz) This game is just 2 months old. D2 took years (even after expansion) to be really cool too. Bliz recognized some unexpected result and are rectifying it with 1.1 on the Legendary.

For me, in my recent memory, no other game that can make me play for that long... i made some real money from the game too. so, i have no complain.
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 5 2012, 11:15 AM)
both of my sisters, and their GIRL friends bought a copy on release day, and playing the damn game till this very day. hell, my sister sold a friggin 900dps WD weapon for 6m (after tax 5.1m) and is now richer than me. FML man :/
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i'm curious, did you play D2? how many times you complete D2 ?
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Seriously, dont take him seriously...
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Seriously, dont take him seriously...
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rclxms.gif  Haha feels like the official forum is here. Pretty entertaining see people bashing on each other.  rclxms.gif
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so can you agree that if d3 sold 1mil players. dropping 60% is still 400k. and bashiok's statement of hundred(s) of thousands can still mean 100k and it will still be legit/valid?
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A 60% drop in player numbers is no laughing matter, especially for a company who makes their profits from the RMAH. 60% less players, 60% less profit. That's why they decided to come out and tell us that endgame in this game is simply not sufficient because they KNOW that player numbers are dropping way too fast and they KNOW that player retention is a huge issue in this game.
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God another "Diablo sucks, you are all fanboys" vs "Diablo is fine, you are all childish" thread.
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A 60% drop in player numbers is no laughing matter, especially for a company who makes their profits from the RMAH. 60% less players, 60% less profit. That's why they decided to come out and tell us that endgame in this game is simply not sufficient because they KNOW that player numbers are dropping way too fast and they KNOW that player retention is a huge issue in this game.
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so after all those scary figure, now only bliz decide to lower themself and listen to players opinion ?
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so after all those scary figure, now only bliz decide to lower themself and listen to players opinion ?
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Exactly rclxms.gif
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so after all those scary figure, now only bliz decide to lower themself and listen to players opinion ?
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I dont think they have a choice now.... they just need to change or ppl will keep quitting...
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jul 5 2012, 11:28 AM)
A 60% drop in player numbers is no laughing matter, especially for a company who makes their profits from the RMAH. 60% less players, 60% less profit. That's why they decided to come out and tell us that endgame in this game is simply not sufficient because they KNOW that player numbers are dropping way too fast and they KNOW that player retention is a huge issue in this game.
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Problem with this, you are stating all these as facts, but... all you got are

1. unreliable statistics from dubious sources
2. playing amateur psychologist in second-guessing CM statements

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jul 5 2012, 11:28 AM)
A 60% drop in player numbers is no laughing matter, especially for a company who makes their profits from the RMAH. 60% less players, 60% less profit. That's why they decided to come out and tell us that endgame in this game is simply not sufficient because they KNOW that player numbers are dropping way too fast and they KNOW that player retention is a huge issue in this game.
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i am not sure if anyone's (like blizz) really laughing on this. the players certainly aren't. blizz being blizz probably aren't if they are able to admit on faults such as these. you could probably pin that alleged troll CM bashiok for his "haha" comment word by word quote, but really, do you think he is actually laughing much if any at all?

you'd be delusional if a company won't fire/pay cut their employees if it aint doing well. even a company like blizz.

and seriously, do you think blizz really makes *THAT* much from RMAH with their 1usd/cut? i mean, do you think they had to RELY on RMAH to survive as a company disregarding how many they made off just from day 1 sales alone? or even the fact that they STILL have their cash cow WoW despite its continual decline?

come on, you can do better than this, right?
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QUOTE(farkinid @ Jul 5 2012, 11:31 AM)
God another "Diablo sucks, you are all fanboys" vs "Diablo is fine, you are all childish" thread.
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God another "Diablo sucks, you are all fanboys" vs "Diablo is fine, you are all childish" thread.
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both of my sisters, and their GIRL friends bought a copy on release day, and playing the damn game till this very day. hell, my sister sold a friggin 900dps WD weapon for 6m (after tax 5.1m) and is now richer than me. FML man :/
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ya, my cousin sis playing too. her previously favorite game is farmville. laugh.gif well, she is still not so pro yet.. i help power level a little from time to time.

about casual player also buying the game, i think Bliz strategy pay off. no other game in the history has so much transparency (some call it hype) before launching the game. i enjoy every BlizCon when Jay and team talks about the mechanics and some of the decision they made for D3.

an example, someone complain about Boss keep PA (announce) what they doing; actually, if you follow their development, this is a clever trick to 'tell a story' while allowing player to keep slashing mobs. Unlike in D2, you have to sit in town, read thru conversation...
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Problem with this, you are stating all these as facts, but... all you got are

1. unreliable statistics from dubious sources
2. playing amateur psychologist in second-guessing CM statements
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but i do think its true, just look at my own friend list call tell the same; more and more friend away for more and more days, where at peak use to have more than 10 firends, now left around 2-3 still (and i know at least 2 is botting). the rest? neither is having a long afk for chill out, some online kejap see see look look then offline again, or some even no online at all ady.
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 5 2012, 11:15 AM)
so you're gonna derail this to bots and avoid answering my honest question/plea?

let me turn this back to you: "why do you think people run bots on a game?"
"is it because there is interest, and it is profitable to run bots on said game?"

do think about it. smile.gif

as for bashiok, i've provided some VERY generous numbers to "proof" his fact. you can't even at least attempt to rebuke that? come on, if you want to flame a troll, at least put some effort in to it.


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both of my sisters, and their GIRL friends bought a copy on release day, and playing the damn game till this very day. hell, my sister sold a friggin 900dps WD weapon for 6m (after tax 5.1m) and is now richer than me. FML man :/
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can... can haz their contactz??

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I dont think they have a choice now.... they just need to change or ppl will keep quitting...
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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Jul 5 2012, 11:39 AM)
ya, my cousin sis playing too. her previously favorite game is farmville.  laugh.gif well, she is still not so pro yet.. i help power level a little from time to time.

about casual player also buying the game, i think Bliz strategy pay off. no other game in the history has so much transparency (some call it hype) before launching the game. i enjoy every BlizCon when Jay and team talks about the mechanics and some of the decision they made for D3.

an example, someone complain about Boss keep PA (announce) what they doing; actually, if you follow their development, this is a clever trick to 'tell a story' while allowing player to keep slashing mobs. Unlike in D2, you have to sit in town, read thru conversation...
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huh, since when D2 you sit in town read through conversation, i just skip through it and back to slashing.... haha...
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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Jul 5 2012, 11:39 AM)
an example, someone complain about Boss keep PA (announce) what they doing; actually, if you follow their development, this is a clever trick to 'tell a story' while allowing player to keep slashing mobs. Unlike in D2, you have to sit in town, read thru conversation...
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Story wise, it doesn't make sense having a boss tell you step by step on how to defeat him. The supposed most cunning master tactitian.

Telling a story while slashing mobs. Pretty difficult to comprehend what he is saying when I'm busy running away from OP Elites.
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can... can haz their contactz??

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+1...

if no contact can give, at least FB link plz~~~~
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i am, like, half quit ady , sigh....
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so after all those scary figure, now only bliz decide to lower themself and listen to players opinion ?
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name 1 game that has this many patches in less than 2 months:

2.1 Patch 1.0.3a – v.1.0.3.10235 - June 26th, 2012
2.2 Patch 1.0.3 – v.1.0.3.10057 - June 19th, 2012
2.3 Patch 1.0.2c – v.1.0.2.9991 - June 11, 2012
2.4 Patch 1.0.2b – v.1.0.2.9950 - June 6, 2012
2.5 Patch 1.0.2a - v.1.0.2.9858 - May 31, 2012
2.6 Patch 1.0.2 - v.1.0.2.9749 - May 29th, 2012
2.7 Retail Patch 0 - v.1.01.9558 - May 15th, 2012

they adjust the Inferno Act2 onwards almost immediately after the game released... now working on 1.04 and 1.1... for me, they listen more than anyone else...

dont like Mass Effect 3 ending? wait for next DLC in 6 or more months...
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Problem with this, you are stating all these as facts, but... all you got are

1. unreliable statistics from dubious sources
2. playing amateur psychologist in second-guessing CM statements
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"facts"

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrom...iw=1280&bih=679

1) A thing that is indisputably the case.
2) Information used as evidence or as part of a report or news article.

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it's been 2 weeks plus not in here, and the topic still panas panas ka? i'm on runicgames d luu~ d3.. forgot i had it
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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Jul 5 2012, 11:46 AM)
name 1 game that has this many patches in less than 2 months:

2.1 Patch 1.0.3a – v.1.0.3.10235 - June 26th, 2012
2.2 Patch 1.0.3 – v.1.0.3.10057 - June 19th, 2012
2.3 Patch 1.0.2c – v.1.0.2.9991 - June 11, 2012
2.4 Patch 1.0.2b – v.1.0.2.9950 - June 6, 2012
2.5 Patch 1.0.2a - v.1.0.2.9858 - May 31, 2012
2.6 Patch 1.0.2 - v.1.0.2.9749 - May 29th, 2012
2.7 Retail Patch 0 - v.1.01.9558 - May 15th, 2012

they adjust the Inferno Act2 onwards almost immediately after the game released... now working on 1.04 and 1.1... for me, they listen more than anyone else...

dont like Mass Effect 3 ending? wait for next DLC in 6 or more months...
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Except the fact that the patch is getting worst that the others....


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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Jul 5 2012, 11:39 AM)
ya, my cousin sis playing too. her previously favorite game is farmvillelaugh.gif well, she is still not so pro yet.. i help power level a little from time to time.

about casual player also buying the game, i think Bliz strategy pay off. no other game in the history has so much transparency (some call it hype) before launching the game. i enjoy every BlizCon when Jay and team talks about the mechanics and some of the decision they made for D3.

an example, someone complain about Boss keep PA (announce) what they doing; actually, if you follow their development, this is a clever trick to 'tell a story' while allowing player to keep slashing mobs. Unlike in D2, you have to sit in town, read thru conversation...
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well shit, aint d3 the perfect game for her since you know, farming ALL DAY ERRY DAY
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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Jul 5 2012, 11:46 AM)
name 1 game that has this many patches in less than 2 months:

2.1 Patch 1.0.3a – v.1.0.3.10235 - June 26th, 2012
2.2 Patch 1.0.3 – v.1.0.3.10057 - June 19th, 2012
2.3 Patch 1.0.2c – v.1.0.2.9991 - June 11, 2012
2.4 Patch 1.0.2b – v.1.0.2.9950 - June 6, 2012
2.5 Patch 1.0.2a - v.1.0.2.9858 - May 31, 2012
2.6 Patch 1.0.2 - v.1.0.2.9749 - May 29th, 2012
2.7 Retail Patch 0 - v.1.01.9558 - May 15th, 2012

they adjust the Inferno Act2 onwards almost immediately after the game released... now working on 1.04 and 1.1... for me, they listen more than anyone else...

dont like Mass Effect 3 ending? wait for next DLC in 6 or more months...
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Dungeon Defenders. I think more patch could indicate more than one way. Either they listen to the customer, or they screwed up the product from the beginning.
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Jul 5 2012, 11:42 AM)
Story wise, it doesn't make sense having a boss tell you step by step on how to defeat him. The supposed most cunning master tactitian.

Telling a story while slashing mobs. Pretty difficult to comprehend what he is saying when I'm busy running away from OP Elites.
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you do that on normal too? i mean, last i remembered my normal play through, it was literally facerolling keyboard while i STAY A WHILE AND LISTEN
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Jul 5 2012, 11:49 AM)
Dungeon Defenders. I think more patch could indicate more than one way. Either they listen to the customer, or they screwed up the product from the beginning.
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which would you think they are, since the patches are making the damage worst, and they like to use the phrase "we do not want players to.." which makes me left d3 for good
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Jul 5 2012, 11:49 AM)
Dungeon Defenders. I think more patch could indicate more than one way. Either they listen to the customer, or they screwed up the product from the beginning.
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i play that too. and i can tell you NOPE smile.gif
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I think it should be read: "We are trying our best to further milk your hard-earned cash over non-existing goods, for as long as possible because if you peeps stop playing, we're dead meat."

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Jul 5 2012, 11:46 AM)
name 1 game that has this many patches in less than 2 months:

2.1 Patch 1.0.3a – v.1.0.3.10235 - June 26th, 2012
2.2 Patch 1.0.3 – v.1.0.3.10057 - June 19th, 2012
2.3 Patch 1.0.2c – v.1.0.2.9991 - June 11, 2012
2.4 Patch 1.0.2b – v.1.0.2.9950 - June 6, 2012
2.5 Patch 1.0.2a - v.1.0.2.9858 - May 31, 2012
2.6 Patch 1.0.2 - v.1.0.2.9749 - May 29th, 2012
2.7 Retail Patch 0 - v.1.01.9558 - May 15th, 2012

they adjust the Inferno Act2 onwards almost immediately after the game released... now working on 1.04 and 1.1... for me, they listen more than anyone else...

dont like Mass Effect 3 ending? wait for next DLC in 6 or more months...
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what i mean is "listen to what player wan" patch/fix , not "bliz doing wat they want" kind of patch.

and if u notice the patch, most of them can be categorize as "bliz doing wat they want" patch (minus the one they make inferno easier and some of those bug fix).

these so called patch, majority is purpose to making casual players life in D3 harder, and i'm not please at all...


Added on July 5, 2012, 11:54 am
QUOTE(noobandroid @ Jul 5 2012, 11:44 AM)
it's been 2 weeks plus not in here, and the topic still panas panas ka? i'm on runicgames d luu~ d3.. forgot i had it
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TL2 fun kah ?worth buying tak ?

i did spend a lot of time on TL1~~

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QUOTE(sammm33 @ Jul 5 2012, 11:53 AM)
what i mean is "listen to what player wan" patch/fix , not "bliz doing wat they want" kind of patch.

and if u notice the patch, most of them can be categorize as "bliz doing wat they want" patch (minus the one they make inferno easier and some of those bug fix).

these so called patch, majority is purpose to making casual players life in D3 harder, and i'm not please at all...


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TL2 fun kah ?worth buying tak ?

i did spend a lot of time on TL1~~
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TL2 manyak bagus imho... just of cos the production value is not as high as D3 la... but is addictive and hit the note right for a D2 replacement.... smile.gif
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QUOTE(jenniferjen @ Jul 5 2012, 11:57 AM)
TL2 manyak bagus imho... just of cos the production value is not as high as D3 la... but is addictive and hit the note right for a D2 replacement.... smile.gif
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DL-ing the TL2 beta now....

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Problem with this, you are stating all these as facts, but... all you got are

1. unreliable statistics from dubious sources
2. playing amateur psychologist in second-guessing CM statements
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Honestly, this is not the point of this thread. This thread got derailed when we started talking about player numbers when I said Bashiok doesn't know what he is talking about. And indeed, when it comes to critical game design decisions, let me say this from experience, Blizzard do not know what they are doing. They are just pulling random numbers and stunts and hope the players will like it. From IAS nerf to removing loot from breakables, to poor implementation of difficulty. Why? Because they refused to listen to player feedback. Especially now when it concerns endgame, which is such an important aspect of this game's longevity.

So, why only now they start listening to players? hmm.gif Something must have happened that caused them to start listening to players more. Games have always been about the players, and not about the developer's whim. wink.gif

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jul 5 2012, 12:01 PM)
Honestly, this thread got derailed when we started talking about player numbers when I said Bashiok doesn't know what he is talking about. And indeed, when it comes to critical game design decisions, let me say this from experience, Blizzard do not know what they are doing. From IAS nerf to removing loot from breakables, to poor implementation of difficulty. Why? Because they refused to listen to player feedback. Especially when it concerns endgame, which is such an important aspect of this game's longevity.

So, why only now they start listening to players?  hmm.gif
Games have always been about the players, and not about the developer's whim.  wink.gif
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I am with you bro..... but i am more open minded in this sense of dev decision for their patch
They have their business reason to take those steps to ensure their cash keep flowing in aka the RMAH. Every patches they made is toward protecting the success of RMAH. Is nothing wrong with that, as it was their games. Nowadays, we rarely see dev who actually listen to players comment. All they care are the profits and how much they made in the end of the day.

But the thing that sadden me is the reaction of certain players who doesnt see this as a problem... which drive the gaming industry to where we are now.... sadly but truth...
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jul 5 2012, 12:01 PM)
Honestly, this thread got derailed when we started talking about player numbers when I said Bashiok doesn't know what he is talking about. And indeed, when it comes to critical game design decisions, let me say this from experience, Blizzard do not know what they are doing. Why? Because they refused to listen to player feedback. Especially when it concerns endgame, which is such an important aspect of this game's longevity.

So, why only now they start listening to players?  hmm.gif
Games have always been about the players, and not about the developer's whim.  wink.gif
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- thread title "Blizzard admits the lack of long term endgame"
and you post numbers yourself and considers it as solid facts, gets called upon it and now you outcry derailment. good job thumbup.gif

- i already made a point (hey, why not use the FACTS word eh?) that bashiok isn't simply pulling out "FACTS" out of his ass. and it is using very very generous numbers.

- does ANYONE actually remembered that inferno was meant to be for the elite of elite? meant for hardcore players?
now everyone and their mom are clearing inferno, WHY is that?

could it be because blizzard LISTENED TOO MUCH on players b****ing and crying and now EVERYONE (including blizz) are paying dearly for it? they f***ed their AH up because gold value is down to the gutter and loot drops so god damn easily (may not be your loot, but fact is someone's loots are dropping, and you can sell it to buy your own loot, or use simple trading like my chest piece for your chest piece)

hell, because the game is so easy and lol some bots can even bot in inferno, everything is losing its value and eventually, the value of end game and ultimately the game itself.

and now you claim blizzard do not listen? sheesh get it over yourself (and your "experience") man
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jul 5 2012, 12:01 PM)
Honestly, this thread got derailed when we started talking about player numbers when I said Bashiok doesn't know what he is talking about. And indeed, when it comes to critical game design decisions, let me say this from experience, Blizzard do not know what they are doing. From IAS nerf to removing loot from breakables, to poor implementation of difficulty. Why? Because they refused to listen to player feedback. Especially when it concerns endgame, which is such an important aspect of this game's longevity.

So, why only now they start listening to players?  hmm.gif
Games have always been about the players, and not about the developer's whim.  wink.gif
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Mostly because gamers don't know what they really want, they just know how to look for faults, and worse they think are great game designers/programmers/solution architect. I've been in IT projects for so many years, end users don't what they want. They demand for the silliest things, throw tables for small issues, but completely blur sotong during requirements gathering. They are usually mature adults with families.

I would say forum/reddit comments are usually negative because it's the nature of the medium. My own unsubstantiated suspicion is that frequent posters on the internet are likely to be antisocial fukkheads with something to prove, because none of my friends with meaningful work/life/social ever post on forums.
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- does ANYONE actually remembered that inferno was meant to be for the elite of elite? meant for hardcore players?
now everyone and their mom are clearing inferno, WHY is that?

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helo, ppl is leaving becuz they have nothing to do in the game, not becuz they finish inferno.
hardcore players ? tell me how many hardcore players you know ? majority player in D3 are casual players. if bliz design inferno to target those minority hardcore so these player can "have something to do", then i can assure bliz is digging their own grave.
and IF you claim that alot ppl finish inferno level, give some prove here which I dont think this is true.
so far, inferno level is still challenging and MAJORITY of the player is leaving. WHY ?
its just D3 game is not good enuf, and the game itself cannot make the player to keep on playing. this is the real FACT.

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 5 2012, 12:13 PM)
hell, because the game is so easy and lol some bots can even bot in inferno, everything is losing its value and eventually, the value of end game and ultimately the game itself.

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no , i dont think is because the game is easy.

the game itself is not solid enuf, not worth replay and the value of the game itself is not there.

and bot is the main reason why gold and item is losing the value, and again NO, game is not easy cuz if u farm all by urself, + with all those nerf and patch by bliz, human control farming is just disgusting and no fun at all. go ask ur friend who bot, u will understand what is the real reason gold and item value drop like they jumping from 14th floor.

its just purely the D3 game is not good enuf.



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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 5 2012, 12:13 PM)
- thread title "Blizzard admits the lack of long term endgame"
and you post numbers yourself and considers it as solid facts, gets called upon it and now you outcry derailment. good job  thumbup.gif

- i already made a point (hey, why not use the FACTS word eh?) that bashiok isn't simply pulling out "FACTS" out of his ass. and it is using very very generous numbers.

- does ANYONE actually remembered that inferno was meant to be for the elite of elite? meant for hardcore players?
now everyone and their mom are clearing inferno, WHY is that?

could it be because blizzard LISTENED TOO MUCH on players b****ing and crying and now EVERYONE (including blizz) are paying dearly for it? they f***ed their AH up because gold value is down to the gutter and loot drops so god damn easily (may not be your loot, but fact is someone's loots are dropping, and you can sell it to buy your own loot, or use simple trading like my chest piece for your chest piece)

hell, because the game is so easy and lol some bots can even bot in inferno, everything is losing its value and eventually, the value of end game and ultimately the game itself.

and now you claim blizzard do not listen? sheesh get it over yourself (and your "experience") man
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Even if they didn't nerf inferno, the game will self-nerf itself with more and more high end items flooding the market. Anyways, just a short list of things nod.gif

- About the difficulty, at one point Blizzard came up with this assumption that if they reduced mob damage in inferno, players will stack more defensive stats instead of dps stats. How did they come to this assumption?

- Players death zerging mobs. Make death more meaningful and stop players from doing it by increasing repair costs. Not only did they fail to prevent death zerging, they punish players for dying in attempts and encourage hedonistic mentality (skip impossible, if not most champion/elite packs)

- Remove gold/loot from breakables. Stop bots from farming and punishing legit players at the same time

- Reduce IAS by 50% on all items except quivers. Most players already bought IAS items with real money and millions of gold, and despite the protests to come up with a different, more middle-ground solution, Blizz nerfed it anyways, reducing the worth of those items, most IAS items are practically worthless now

Yet, these are very minor issues and YET Blizz seem very hellbent on fixing them, even if it's not required.

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everyone remember this
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/02/22/bl...r-expectations/
Blizzard got so worried what players were expecting, that they officially made a statement for them to lower their expectations.

-.-; makes me question their commitment to making an awesome game, rather then just another game for them to cash cow ...
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that makes me think that they knew that the game was lousy, but still release it for crowd control, eventually the crowd was drop dead disgusted
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 5 2012, 12:13 PM)
- thread title "Blizzard admits the lack of long term endgame"
and you post numbers yourself and considers it as solid facts, gets called upon it and now you outcry derailment. good job  thumbup.gif

- i already made a point (hey, why not use the FACTS word eh?) that bashiok isn't simply pulling out "FACTS" out of his ass. and it is using very very generous numbers.

- does ANYONE actually remembered that inferno was meant to be for the elite of elite? meant for hardcore players?
now everyone and their mom are clearing inferno, WHY is that?

could it be because blizzard LISTENED TOO MUCH on players b****ing and crying and now EVERYONE (including blizz) are paying dearly for it? they f***ed their AH up because gold value is down to the gutter and loot drops so god damn easily (may not be your loot, but fact is someone's loots are dropping, and you can sell it to buy your own loot, or use simple trading like my chest piece for your chest piece)

hell, because the game is so easy and lol some bots can even bot in inferno, everything is losing its value and eventually, the value of end game and ultimately the game itself.

and now you claim blizzard do not listen? sheesh get it over yourself (and your "experience") man
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exactly!!!

there are multiple range of players, so which players' comment they should listen to?

look at wow and see that blizz did listened to player after the not-so-leet king expansion: player need to discover 5 men dungeon entrances, adjusted their gears to do specific level of playing (pvp and pve) and place roles for dungeon loot so other class won't ninja and run away.

what happened then? the 2nd group of players (obviously those who still like to stand in the fire and blame blizz) started to make noise

'OMFG THE 5-MEN DUNGEON ENTRANCE IS HARD TO FIND!!!'
'OMG THE ADDS ARE HARDER THAN THE BAWS!!!'
'OMFG THE BAWSES ARE UNKILLABLE!!!'
'OMFG THE HEALER SUX!!!'
'OMFG I HAVE DONE THE INSTANCE FOR 41867864 TIMES BUT <place loot here> JUST DUN FKIN DROP!!!'

you should already known these kind of players don't RTFM and don't even bother L2P but they whine like no tomorrow, then blizz decided to listen to them, and? third group started to make noise...

'OMFG THE CONTENT IS DUMB DOWN TO IDIOT LEVEL!!!'
'I'D RATHER PLAY <WoW-Killa> THAN THIS!!!'
'WHY BLIZZ NERF THE CONTENT!!!'
'WHERE'S THE CHALLENGE?!?!'
'THE GAME IS REPETITIVE!!! It'S BORING!!'
'GRAPHIC SUX, GAME ENGINE SUX, ANIMATION SUX!!!'
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I wouldn't worry Cheese. It's not GW3. Something sial about the number 3 this year.brows.gif

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QUOTE(Deimos Tel`Arin @ Jul 5 2012, 08:03 AM)
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QUOTE(Instant_noodle @ Jul 5 2012, 01:09 PM)
exactly!!!

there are multiple range of players, so which players' comment they should listen to?

look at wow and see that blizz did listened to player after the not-so-leet king expansion: player need to discover 5 men dungeon entrances, adjusted their gears to do specific level of playing (pvp and pve) and place roles for dungeon loot so other class won't ninja and run away.

what happened then? the 2nd group of players (obviously those who still like to stand in the fire and blame blizz) started to make noise

'OMFG THE 5-MEN DUNGEON ENTRANCE IS HARD TO FIND!!!'
'OMG THE ADDS ARE HARDER THAN THE BAWS!!!'
'OMFG THE BAWSES ARE UNKILLABLE!!!'
'OMFG THE HEALER SUX!!!'
'OMFG I HAVE DONE THE INSTANCE FOR 41867864 TIMES BUT <place loot here> JUST DUN FKIN DROP!!!'

you should already known these kind of players don't RTFM and don't even bother L2P but they whine like no tomorrow, then blizz decided to listen to them, and? third group started to make noise...

'OMFG THE CONTENT IS DUMB DOWN TO IDIOT LEVEL!!!'
'I'D RATHER PLAY <WoW-Killa> THAN THIS!!!'
'WHY BLIZZ NERF THE CONTENT!!!'
'WHERE'S THE CHALLENGE?!?!'
'THE GAME IS REPETITIVE!!! It'S BORING!!'
'GRAPHIC SUX, GAME ENGINE SUX, ANIMATION SUX!!!'
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Jul 5 2012, 12:49 PM)
- About the difficulty, at one point Blizzard came up with this assumption that if they reduced mob damage in inferno, players will stack more defensive stats instead of dps stats. How did they come to this assumption?

- Players death zerging mobs. Make death more meaningful and stop players from doing it by increasing repair costs. Not only did they fail to prevent death zerging, they punish players for dying in attempts and encourage hedonistic mentality (skip impossible, if not most champion/elite packs)

- Remove gold/loot from breakables. Stop bots from farming and punishing legit players at the same time

- Reduce IAS by 50% on all items except quivers. Most players already bought IAS items with real money and millions of gold, and despite the protests to come up with a different, more middle-ground solution, Blizz nerfed it anyways, reducing the worth of those items, most IAS items are practically worthless now

Yet, these are very minor issues and YET Blizz seem very hellbent on fixing them, even if it's not required.
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- because players (like disgusting DH!) CRIED "hey, i stack 1k all resist and yet i still get 1 shotted, whats the point right?! might as well stack dps onry and smoke screen because athene does it and he WINS GAMES"

- they succeeded in making death meaningful. it makes players THINK TWICE about stacking pure dps (again, stinking DH) while melees (like me) dont have that much of an issue because we ALREADY stack defensive stats. again, 2 side of the wall on crying f***s, blizzard chose the lesser evil which is to make the game balanced for classes so people arent forced to roll a DH (or wiz/WD) all day erry day

- they did not remove gold/loot. go login the damn game and break a f***ing breakable and tell me if coins drop or not. i can assure you they still do. what was merely change is a severe nerf to it, and that gf/mf doesnt affect it so it greatly hampers bots, and at the same time provided players an OPTION that they are not REQUIRED to do so because it no longer provides a clear advantage over people who do not does such cases of farming. case in point, wizards were the most efficient class to do vase farming in royal crypts. does that mean everyone MUST roll a wiz to be efficient in diablo3? those who did not back then, are GREATLY put at a disadvantage for not doing so.

- again, IAS was a grossly overpowered stat. it meant that players are PIGEON HOLED into getting it. and it also meant that the gap between ranged classes and melee classes are ever so great because melee classes do not have the luxury to stack IAS as much as ranged classes do. IAS is STILL viable despite the nerfs this very day, and even melee classes still go for them, just not full retard IAS be all end all stat like before.

and no, these are certainly not minor issues in the long run of the game. it may probably be to you because you damn very well play a ranged classes and all the "issues" you mentioned mainly addresses your class.

ps: good job avoiding most, if not all of my questions, and further derailing the whole topic despite you cried on topic derailment wink.gif
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offically quit:D list of donation will be out SOON
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offically quit:D list of donation will be out SOON
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MONK/ WIZZIE GEAR PLOX!!!!!!!!!!!

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Actually, what type of long term endgame were people expecting? You kill monsters, loot drops and then what?
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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Jul 5 2012, 02:09 PM)
Actually, what type of long term endgame were people expecting?  You kill monsters, loot drops and then what?
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- NO RMAH
- NO FARMING
- NO HEAVY REPAIR BILL
- NO RIDICULOUS ELITES
- NO LOUSY LEGENDARY
- N-...

wait. none of those touches end game...?










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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 5 2012, 02:17 PM)
- NO RMAH
- NO FARMING
- NO HEAVY REPAIR BILL
- NO RIDICULOUS ELITES
- NO LOUSY LEGENDARY
- N-...

wait. none of those touches end game...?
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end game: making blizzard handing virtual phat lewts to players

quite a challenge, actually...
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- because players (like disgusting DH!) CRIED "hey, i stack 1k all resist and yet i still get 1 shotted, whats the point right?! might as well stack dps onry and smoke screen because athene does it and he WINS GAMES"

- they succeeded in making death meaningful. it makes players THINK TWICE about stacking pure dps (again, stinking DH) while melees (like me) dont have that much of an issue because we ALREADY stack defensive stats. again, 2 side of the wall on crying f***s, blizzard chose the lesser evil which is to make the game balanced for classes so people arent forced to roll a DH (or wiz/WD) all day erry day

- they did not remove gold/loot. go login the damn game and break a f***ing breakable and tell me if coins drop or not. i can assure you they still do. what was merely change is a severe nerf to it, and that gf/mf doesnt affect it so it greatly hampers bots, and at the same time provided players an OPTION that they are not REQUIRED to do so because it no longer provides a clear advantage over people who do not does such cases of farming. case in point, wizards were the most efficient class to do vase farming in royal crypts. does that mean everyone MUST roll a wiz to be efficient in diablo3? those who did not back then, are GREATLY put at a disadvantage for not doing so.

- again, IAS was a grossly overpowered stat. it meant that players are PIGEON HOLED into getting it. and it also meant that the gap between ranged classes and melee classes are ever so great because melee classes do not have the luxury to stack IAS as much as ranged classes do. IAS is STILL viable despite the nerfs this very day, and even melee classes still go for them, just not full retard IAS be all end all stat like before.

and no, these are certainly not minor issues in the long run of the game. it may probably be to you because you damn very well play a ranged classes and all the "issues" you mentioned mainly addresses your class.

ps: good job avoiding most, if not all of my questions, and further derailing the whole topic despite you cried on topic derailment wink.gif
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- There are a lot of ways to counter death zerging. Players have already suggested that when you die, you get a debuff that reduces your stats, the more you die, the less effective you are going to become. Guess what Blizz did with that idea? That's right, they dumped it

- IAS overpowered? Who made it overpowered? Whose fault is that? The developer? Or the player? yawn.gif Why not buff other stats to make it on par with IAS? Why nerf it? whistling.gif And what did that do? Players flocked to crit damage and crit % instead. Are they gonna nerf that too? brows.gif

- Actually they did remove it. At one time, act 4 pots/vases used to drop nothing. I know cause I was doing act 4 at the time just shortly before and after 1.0.3. Then they readded the loot back.
A lot of the changes were ninja fixes. I can recall a lot of the changes never even made it to the patch notes. whistling.gif

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- There are a lot of ways to counter death zerging. Players have already suggested that when you die, you get a debuff that reduces your stats, the more you die, the less effective you are going to become. Guess what Blizz did with that idea? That's right, they dumped it

- IAS overpowered? Who made it overpowered? Whose fault is that? The developer? Or the player?  yawn.gif Why not buff other stats to make it on par with IAS? Why nerf it?  whistling.gif And what did that do? Players flocked to crit damage and crit % instead. Are they gonna nerf that too?  brows.gif

- Actually they did remove it. At one time, act 4 pots/vases used to drop nothing. I know cause I was doing act 4 at the time just shortly before and after 1.0.3. Then they readded the loot back.
A lot of the changes were ninja fixes. I can recall a lot of the changes never even made it to the patch notes.  whistling.gif
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- let me ask you this, if you already die the first time, doesnt that already mean your stats *MAY* not be adequate when you die the first time? if you get stats penalty, doesnt that mean you're almost guaranteed to never defeat said elite until the debuff goes away? if there is a timer, how long would that be? do you not think that players wouldn't be whining/crying about downtime of the game itself (cant even farm with shit stats no thank you) instead?! at least for repair bills, if you're not death zerging anymore, you can eventually farm back whatever you loss, with no down time at all. (inferno too hard? isnt there hell difficulty for you to fall back on? )

i mean, have you EVER thought of WHY they dumped it instead of OMG BLIZZ DUMP IDEAS THEY (or players) SUGGESTED, OMG BLIZZ SO DUMB

- i played post nerf, pre 1.0.3. destructible still drop loot/gold. i cant attest for royal crypts vase farming, because im not a wiz HURRRRRR. but now that they readded back according to you, ninja or not, why are you still harping about it?

- a lot of "rumors" and speculations may or may not be true. however no one seem to have solid numbers/proof unless blizz themselves reveal numbers transparently. granted, they probably have their reasons, regardless if its wrong/or not for not being totally transparent. however whatever baseless accusations on ninja nerfs/buffs and RNG superstitions are in the end, not facts.

really though, if there's anyone pulling "facts" outta ass right now, all "facts" seem to be pointing closer to you and further away from bashiok at this point.
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all this makes me think if i should buy d3... right now i play d2 once in a while. wish i still have my perm valk, sloops, imps, gg trap claws etc... qq
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yes yes but i still don't see what all this has to do with end game? Really, i think a lot of people bought into the hype machine and had unrealistic expectations of D3.

Seriously, what is the expectation at end game? I've already spent more than a 100 hours (most of it enjoying the game) and hence have already gotten my money's worth. Do you really expect your 60USD to last you forever? Finish with D3, play something else. I really want to get back to collecting costumes on lollipop chainsaw which i have been neglecting. I mean that's me, but what do all the complainers expect from end game?

Also, fans should not be game designers. American Idol is an example of what happens when you let the fans choose.
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QUOTE(alphaz @ Jul 5 2012, 03:16 PM)
all this makes me think if i should buy d3... right now i play d2 once in a while. wish i still have my perm valk, sloops, imps, gg trap claws etc... qq
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QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Jul 5 2012, 03:24 PM)
yes yes but i still don't see what all this has to do with end game? Really, i think a lot of people bought into the hype machine and had unrealistic expectations of D3. 

Seriously, what is the expectation at end game? I've already spent more than a 100 hours (most of it enjoying the game) and hence have already gotten my money's worth.  Do you really expect your 60USD to last you forever? Finish with D3, play something else.  I really want to get back to collecting costumes on lollipop chainsaw which i have been neglecting.  I mean that's me, but what do all the complainers expect from end game?

Also, fans should not be game designers.  American Idol is an example of what happens when you let the fans choose.
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7 pages of d3 is shit, please save your 60 usd.


Added on July 5, 2012, 3:26 pm

unfortunately blizzard TRIED to cater to these expectations and ultimately brought upon their own impending demise sad.gif
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The funny thing is, I sold some of my gg d2 items so i can use the cash to buy d3. lol
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Really, i think a lot of people bought into the hype machine and had unrealistic expectations of D3. 

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They expect.... GLOOOOORIOUS things.

I know that doesn't say very much, but I don't know what they're expecting either.

At least I'd like to see legendaries being so legendary they break the game. Otherwise, why are they 'legendaries'?

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- There are a lot of ways to counter death zerging. Players have already suggested that when you die, you get a debuff that reduces your stats, the more you die, the less effective you are going to become. Guess what Blizz did with that idea? That's right, they dumped it

- IAS overpowered? Who made it overpowered? Whose fault is that? The developer? Or the player?  yawn.gif Why not buff other stats to make it on par with IAS? Why nerf it?  whistling.gif And what did that do? Players flocked to crit damage and crit % instead. Are they gonna nerf that too?  brows.gif

- Actually they did remove it. At one time, act 4 pots/vases used to drop nothing. I know cause I was doing act 4 at the time just shortly before and after 1.0.3. Then they readded the loot back.
A lot of the changes were ninja fixes. I can recall a lot of the changes never even made it to the patch notes.  whistling.gif
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- so you want to waste 5-15 minutes of your time idling in game?

- buffing other stat means letting the player to put the game in the shelf faster

- no, the vases/pots/barrels still contains gold drops. i know it becuz i break *everything* that is destructible in game
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Really, i think a lot of people bought into the hype machine and had unrealistic expectations of D3. 
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Not Diablo : WoW Edition.
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buy d2 battlechest or something then. make multiple bots/accounts. since d2 = win while d3 = shit.
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end game should unlock offline/lan play
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D3 should support mods too. thumbup.gif
Imagine the possibilities mods could bring. biggrin.gif
They can just implement premium mods (something like premium maps in SC2) to prevent cheating.

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Today i got 2 legendary weapon in 1 run. Both has sxxking stat.

Seriously, just how many billion blizzard has earned from us? Cant they just change this noob game to better game??
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You want to know what is a good endgame for Diablo3?
Ever wonder why D2 still popular and people still playing it for century?

Cause is the concept of the game which made the game itself having a high replayable value. They make it to lvl 99, but to achieve it takes a very long time! but you can complete hell around level 60 to 70 with no problem, as long as you have the right built and right items in hand.

People will usually start farming at that particular level and think, level 99 is not their aim, is how the game provide so much variety to them to test the gamers creativity to combine skills and equipment and building their ultimate/fun combo to play D2. Is not about owning the hell, everyone can complete hell, is about continuously trying and trying to perfected a built, to prove that this built works, and hunting the appropriate equipment to support the built the players come out with. It promote creativity. It promote try and error, in a fun way, and it promote replayability over and over.

You can follow certain built, its work, but you can always come out with some crazy builts, less effective, but fun to play,

Heard of charged bolt sorcerer? I play just that, it don't owned the hell elite or champion most of the time, but is fun as hell when you stack up as much as +all skills, +charged bolt skill, +cast speed, +lighting damage and +mana regen, you hitthe max, you cover the floor with hundreds of bolts.... is fun as hell. Does that make you powerful? No, i cant forever beat every bosses, like those immune to lightning damage, but am i having fun, yes! My friend would go like "hell you make half of my screen white!! lol"

Blizzard didnt forget what FUN should be, a different team of dev just think that profit is much important in the end so they go on with whatever plan to protect their RMAH.

The skill was stagnant, sure i can use lot of different combo too, but i can just easily clear hell with whatever combo i built, moving to inferno which claim to be endgame difficulty, we are all stuck with 1 - 2 primary combo which secure you with survivability, is not even fun when gear play darn important rules to enhance the survivability, and the generic item affixes. Yes, i never complaint on the drop rate, is the boring item affixes that i can't comprehend. Is all come down to only +all resist, +vit, then +stat for your particular character, +IAS, +Crit and +Crit dmg to survive inferno. Yes, you can just shut me down and tell me to just play hell, and yes, that is where i stopped.

Is never about listen or not listening to fan, the game is just fun till hell, after that, end game is just too AH dependance, and what do you look forward in the end? No? Nothing. Keep farming for those generic items? Waiting for the lottery to strike? I like that to happen, but that cannot be the end game, especially toward generic item farming.

So the whole D3 can be summarize into, play, test all your skill unlocked, reach hell, try the best combo, farm and keep wonder when you can get those item that display in the AH/RMAH. When you finally get to ACT1, it get more generic and linear with NV elite farming. That the endgame? Still using the same old gear you wear from hell, and with the same still combo that allow you to survive in inferno?

I think i made my point. D3 is not a bad game, it just lack of endgame, i am not saying for majority of people, just expressing my thought on the game, probably i am a crybaby like the other say, but without crybaby, there is no quality game nowadays and yes, go and keep feeding these kinda dev, they will make more crap, and you keep playing crap. Oh wait a min, is a gem to you.... sorry... i mean you can keep playing the gem.

My 2cent.
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great games like starcraft1 and D2, they are build by those creator with ideal in mind, with passion.
game like sc2 and D3 ? they build by money minded people...

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QUOTE(jenniferjen @ Jul 5 2012, 06:38 PM)
You want to know what is a good endgame for Diablo3?
Ever wonder why D2 still popular and people still playing it for century?

Cause is the concept of the game which made the game itself having a high replayable value. They make it to lvl 99, but to achieve it takes a very long time! but you can complete hell around level 60 to 70 with no problem, as long as you have the right built and right items in hand.

People will usually start farming at that particular level and think, level 99 is not their aim, is how the game provide so much variety to them to test the gamers creativity to combine skills and equipment and building their ultimate/fun combo to play D2. Is not about owning the hell, everyone can complete hell, is about continuously trying and trying to perfected a built, to prove that this built works, and hunting the appropriate equipment to support the built the players come out with. It promote creativity. It promote try and error, in a fun way, and it promote replayability over and over.

You can follow certain built, its work, but you can always come out with some crazy builts, less effective, but fun to play,

Heard of charged bolt sorcerer? I play just that, it don't owned the hell elite or champion most of the time, but is fun as hell when you stack up as much as +all skills, +charged bolt skill, +cast speed, +lighting damage and +mana regen, you hitthe max, you cover the floor with hundreds of bolts.... is fun as hell. Does that make you powerful? No, i cant forever beat every bosses, like those immune to lightning damage, but am i having fun, yes! My friend would go like "hell you make half of my screen white!! lol"

Blizzard didnt forget what FUN should be, a different team of dev just think that profit is much important in the end so they go on with whatever plan to protect their RMAH.

The skill was stagnant, sure i can use lot of different combo too, but i can just easily clear hell with whatever combo i built, moving to inferno which claim to be endgame difficulty, we are all stuck with 1 - 2 primary combo which secure you with survivability, is not even fun when gear play darn important rules to enhance the survivability, and the generic item affixes. Yes, i never complaint on the drop rate, is the boring item affixes that i can't comprehend. Is all come down to only +all resist, +vit, then +stat for your particular character, +IAS, +Crit and +Crit dmg to survive inferno. Yes, you can just shut me down and tell me to just play hell, and yes, that is where i stopped.

Is never about listen or not listening to fan, the game is just fun till hell, after that, end game is just too AH dependance, and what do you look forward in the end? No? Nothing. Keep farming for those generic items? Waiting for the lottery to strike? I like that to happen, but that cannot be the end game, especially toward generic item farming.

So the whole D3 can be summarize into, play, test all your skill unlocked, reach hell, try the best combo, farm and keep wonder when you can get those item that display in the AH/RMAH. When you finally get to ACT1, it get more generic and linear with NV elite farming. That the endgame? Still using the same old gear you wear from hell, and with the same still combo that allow you to survive in inferno?

I think i made my point. D3 is not a bad game, it just lack of endgame, i am not saying for majority of people, just expressing my thought on the game, probably i am a crybaby like the other say, but without crybaby, there is no quality game nowadays and yes, go and keep feeding these kinda dev, they will make more crap, and you keep playing crap. Oh wait a min, is a gem to you.... sorry... i mean you can keep playing the gem.

My 2cent.
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this indeed.

i keep coming back to d2 after so many years just to try out wacky builds. some can be quite effective with good gears, e.g. melee sorceress. those who enjoy pvm can experiment with so many builds, while those who enjoy pvp more can try their best to get the best gears, a few high end rares are one of a kind. or, those who just like trading, can just setup mutiple hammerdins to mf items, rush chars, do baal runs, try achieve lvl99 etc. and then there's legit vs dupes, legit players vs botters. d2 was ruined when blizzard abandons it and bots and item imports and dupes ruin the gameplay and economy. and yet blizzard hasn't learn anything from d2's replayability when they develop d3... wtf
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[quote=sammm33,Jul 5 2012, 06:43 PM]
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great games like starcraft1 and D2, they are build by those creator with ideal in mind, with passion.
game like sc2 and D3 ? they build by money minded people...
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[/quote]

D3 maybe but SC2 besides the higher entry price, it is one heck of an awesome game...
SC2 was what pushed eSport into the headlines around the world now...
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You DO know that this is exactly what Blizzard wanted. This is Diablo 2.5. We will get the full D3 once they start milking us for expansions. Crappy but true. It's the trend of almost all games nowadays.
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QUOTE(CloudDave @ Jul 6 2012, 01:36 AM)
You DO know that this is exactly what Blizzard wanted. This is Diablo 2.5. We will get the full D3 once they start milking us for expansions. Crappy but true. It's the trend of almost all games nowadays.
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[quote=sammm33,Jul 5 2012, 06:43 PM]
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great games like starcraft1 and D2, they are build by those creator with ideal in mind, with passion.
game like sc2 and D3 ? they build by money minded people...
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SC2 > D3

please

SC2 has FAR more replay values than D3, the ladder system is enough to keep you laddering for a lifetime unlike D3 inferno endgame lul


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THIS

great games like starcraft1 and D2, they are build by those creator with ideal in mind, with passion.
game like sc2 and D3 ? they build by money minded people...
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[/quote]
SC2 > D3

please

SC2 has FAR more replay values than D3, the ladder system is enough to keep you laddering for a lifetime unlike D3 inferno endgame lul

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+1. Haha you got a point there.
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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 6 2012, 10:10 AM)
SC2 > D3

please

SC2 has FAR more replay values than D3, the ladder system is enough to keep you laddering for a lifetime unlike D3 inferno endgame lul

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I have not played SC2 for 2 years now. And I didn't spend more than 150 hours on SC2.
I think SC2 is playable because of PvP.
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I have not played SC2 for 2 years now. And I didn't spend more than 150 hours on SC2.
I think SC2 is playable because of PvP.
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we dont call it pvp, we call it 1v1, team games or multiplayer

SC2 was NEVER fully about single player storyline bullshit, it was about multiplayer at the end of the day, laddering was a new implementation that gave the whole system more competitive meaning to it, thats why when they bullshitted the story mode, SC players still can live with it.

on the side note, those Ghost chicks has srs hawt a$$ man


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TO be honestly i used to love blizzy games. Their games has incredible story line and excellent cinematics. But now, all that is left is only their money making machine.
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yeah, i miss the stories, like each game they came out with had awsm cinematics, with RICH storyline that actually mean something and make sense, we all know which b@stard screw the story up regardless

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Today i got 2 legendary weapon in 1 run. Both has sxxking stat.

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great games like starcraft1 and D2, they are build by those creator with ideal in mind, with passion.
game like sc2 and D3 ? they build by money minded people...
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SC2 > D3

please

SC2 has FAR more replay values than D3, the ladder system is enough to keep you laddering for a lifetime unlike D3 inferno endgame lul

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YA LA sc2 no matter how bad still better than D3

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Seriously i too have comletely stop playing d3. This game is plain boring. Even when i have nothing to do at home

i feel reluctanct to click on the d3 icon on my desktop to play the game. For me, the lack of pvp is the reason i quit.

I love pvp'ing, especially pk'ing noobs. Still remember i create a lvl9 char in d2, join a game with full of 20-29 noobs,

equip him with all prepatched unique item (no lvl req), and start owning everyone. Its fun ! Once you join the game

and click hostile to everyone, they will be laughing at you. And when you start killing one of them everyone will be like,

OMGG, Haxxx !!! Haha. Good way to release stress. Gone were the days
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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 6 2012, 10:18 AM)
we dont call it pvp, we call it 1v1, team games or multiplayer
pvp = player versus player.

1v1 is between 2 players fighting each other. that is pvp my friend smile.gif
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pvp = player versus player.

1v1 is between 2 players fighting each other. that is pvp my friend smile.gif
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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 6 2012, 01:13 PM)
ish, i just dislike the term pvp mate, its so MMOish to me laugh.gif
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sc2 is MMO yo !!!
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dey u also no play SC2 liao, bila wan play back?
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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 6 2012, 01:29 PM)
fark you lol

dey u also no play SC2 liao, bila wan play back?
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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 6 2012, 01:29 PM)
fark you lol

dey u also no play SC2 liao, bila wan play back?
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my friend who could, had all his achievements/placements/stats etc gone missing, rofl.
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QUOTE(Deimos Tel`Arin @ Jul 6 2012, 01:31 PM)
errrr when heart of the swarm release lulz.
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 6 2012, 01:31 PM)
i actually tried to play back during this week's tuesday maintenance. apparently they f***ed sc2 servers too and cant login

my friend who could, had all his achievements/placements/stats etc gone missing, rofl.
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daheck? ugh...ill go check tonite, havent been login in myself, just started HC

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 6 2012, 01:32 PM)
bringing in like previously? brows.gif


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daheck? ugh...ill go check tonite, havent been login in myself, just started HC
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eh no lar. i dun wanna touch pc games retail sales again ever lulz. tiring non profit job.
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why dont u do it this time on a smaller scale? service the good ol customer la, bad customer blacklist jer brows.gif
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aw man, i loved your service mang

why dont u do it this time on a smaller scale? service the good ol customer la, bad customer blacklist jer brows.gif
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i going digital mah. save trees!!!
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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 6 2012, 01:41 PM)
collectors edition sad.gif
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 6 2012, 01:31 PM)
i actually tried to play back during this week's tuesday maintenance. apparently they f***ed sc2 servers too and cant login

my friend who could, had all his achievements/placements/stats etc gone missing, rofl.
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if NA on maintanance, login SEA and vice versa (provided u are using a SEA copy of the gmae lolx)


Added on July 6, 2012, 2:08 pm
QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 6 2012, 10:18 AM)
we dont call it pvp, we call it 1v1, team games or multiplayer

SC2 was NEVER fully about single player storyline bullshit, it was about multiplayer at the end of the day, laddering was a new implementation that gave the whole system more competitive meaning to it, thats why when they bullshitted the story mode, SC players still can live with it.

on the side note, those Ghost chicks has srs hawt a$$ man


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yeah, i miss the stories, like each game they came out with had awsm cinematics, with RICH storyline that actually mean something and make sense, we all know which b@stard screw the story up regardless
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lol pandas

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if NA on maintanance, login SEA and vice versa (provided u are using a SEA copy of the gmae lolx)


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lol pandas
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wtf is pandas?
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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 6 2012, 02:18 PM)
wtf is pandas?
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errr new world of warcraft expansion mist of pandas or something.
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errr new world of warcraft expansion mist of pandas or something.
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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 6 2012, 02:19 PM)
no play WoW, expense
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world of warcraft taiwan
- no entry fee. no need buy box or cd keys.
- time cards, twd 150 per 30 hours. about rm17 per 30 hours
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world of warcraft taiwan
- no entry fee. no need buy box or cd keys.
- time cards, twd 150 per 30 hours. about rm17 per 30 hours
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all chinese la bro, i banana weh aHAHAHA
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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 6 2012, 02:27 PM)
all chinese la bro, i banana weh aHAHAHA
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but nowadays i think cannot register liao.
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wtf is pandas?
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World of Warcraft: Mist of Pandaria

what happen in the world of WoW: fighting old gods -> fighting ilidan -> fighting the lich king -> fighting the big fat scary dragon (deathwing) -> pandas???? WAFAKKKKKKKK (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 6 2012, 01:32 PM)
bringing in like previously? brows.gif


Added on July 6, 2012, 1:33 pm
daheck? ugh...ill go check tonite, havent been login in myself, just started HC
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just server hiccup, no worries.


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if NA on maintanance, login SEA and vice versa (provided u are using a SEA copy of the gmae lolx)
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>implying i ever want to touch SEA even if i have a free copy of it

you jest.

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World of Warcraft: Mist of Pandaria

what happen in the world of WoW: fighting old gods -> fighting ilidan -> fighting the lich king -> fighting the big fat scary dragon (deathwing) -> pandas???? WAFAKKKKKKKK (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
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i bet its coz of Kungfu Panda mang HAHAHAHHAHAHA oh lawd
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should make lvl 99 cap and intro some more new map ...and make a reborn after lvl 99 ...
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should make lvl 99 cap and intro some more new map ...and make a reborn after lvl 99 ...
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RO style? nothx, so many years of that, enough is enough lol
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Malaysia Gov spend so much to bring Pandas, lain kali invest in WoW easier.


But back on topic with regards to endgame:

I hope they implement something like Disgaea's Item World to at least keep things interesting. Random Items, Random Monster LVLS, Uber bosses.

Who knows, maybe an endless random dungeon to rescue Deckard Cain's soul from one of countless hells.

It would be symbolic as well, as it could be seen as reviving the franchise back to its glory days.

Janji ada phat lewts.

(10 bucks says expansion will be announced 1st quarter 2013. Diablo: Wrath of the Heavens)

Edit: 2013.

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i bet its coz of Kungfu Panda mang HAHAHAHHAHAHA oh lawd
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no, not becuz kung-fu panda but becuz of blizz humor/ 3rd party rumor that somehow gain too much support and it turned into a reality

there few similar cases where some wild rumor turns into something bizzare-like and included into content, remember the rumor about some old farmer dressed in cow suit, and by manually add/changing text into the game folder there will be a portal to take you to a place filled with bovines?

blizz is famous for it's april fool jokes, the panda was originally an april fool joke about 'panda xpress' - an in game food delivery service that composed of pandas would serve fast food to your doorstep while you playing warcraft3 (via in game order, poking fun of everquest and pizzahut fast food service).

people are happy (except china gomen) with the panda race to the point that blizz decided to add lores about the land (pandaria) and introduce a neutral hero class (chen stormstout) in the game

so i'm expecting when new expansion is out for WoW other people will be playing 'Mist of Pandaria', while china will be playing 'Mist of Furbolg' becuz 'killing' panda is... just wrong.

fyi, 'kung-fu panda' actually comes AFTER Warcraft 3 expansion, so some people actually guessing pixar steal borrowed the idea from blizz...
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QUOTE(Instant_noodle @ Jul 6 2012, 04:38 PM)
no, not becuz kung-fu panda but becuz of blizz humor/ 3rd party rumor that somehow gain too much support and it turned into a reality

there few similar cases where some wild rumor turns into something bizzare-like and included into content, remember the rumor about some old farmer dressed in cow suit, and by manually add/changing text into the game folder there will be a portal to take you to a place filled with bovines?

blizz is famous for it's april fool jokes, the panda was originally an april fool joke about 'panda xpress' - an in game food delivery service that composed of pandas would serve fast food to your doorstep while you playing warcraft3 (via in game order, poking fun of everquest and pizzahut fast food service).

people are happy (except china gomen) with the panda race to the point that blizz decided to add lores about the land (pandaria) and introduce a neutral hero class (chen stormstout) in the game

so i'm expecting when new expansion is out for WoW other people will be playing 'Mist of Pandaria', while china will be playing 'Mist of Furbolg' becuz 'killing' panda is... just wrong.

fyi, 'kung-fu panda' actually comes AFTER Warcraft 3 expansion, so some people actually guessing pixar steal borrowed the idea from blizz...
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This is OT but 'Kung-Fu Panda' is NOT a Pixar production. Is was a Dreamworks production. So if anybody is to be accused of stealing it should be Dreamworks and NOT Pixar!! mad.gif

Sorry.. I'm a big, big, big fan of Pixar's animated movies! wub.gif sweat.gif
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Mr Bashiok admitted that this game is not complete yet. They release it because of the giant outcry from the fans. Thats why did not have end game content. i LOL at this.
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Mr Bashiok admitted that this game is not complete yet. They release it because of the giant outcry from the fans. Thats why did not have end game content. i LOL at this.
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mch call him sau pei la, then how he gonna explain the huge cb difference of beta and released game? tunasing, fark actiblizzard upside down
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Jul 6 2012, 04:50 PM)
This is OT but 'Kung-Fu Panda' is NOT a Pixar production. Is was a Dreamworks production. So if anybody is to be accused of stealing it should be Dreamworks and NOT Pixar!! mad.gif

Sorry.. I'm a big, big, big fan of Pixar's animated movies!  wub.gif  sweat.gif
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point noted

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point noted

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QUOTE(melvintcs @ Jul 4 2012, 08:41 PM)
from 140k to 14k...
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anyone selling diablo 3 cheap???

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by the way, only 140k players? i thought sold 6 million copies?
5.9 million botters trololololol
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mch call him sau pei la, then how he gonna explain the huge cb difference of beta and released game? tunasing, fark actiblizzard upside down
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Haha one of the forumers say why dun just open beta and lets the players test ? Seriously the forumer has a point. Better than giving this cr*p. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Prometric @ Jul 6 2012, 12:05 PM)
Seriously i too have comletely stop playing d3. This game is plain boring. Even when i have nothing to do at home

i feel reluctanct to click on the d3 icon on my desktop to play the game. For me, the lack of pvp is the reason i quit.

I love pvp'ing, especially pk'ing noobs. Still remember i create a lvl9 char in d2, join a game with full of 20-29 noobs,

equip him with all prepatched unique item (no lvl req), and start owning everyone. Its fun ! Once you join the game

and click hostile to everyone, they will be laughing at you. And when you start killing one of them everyone will be like,

OMGG, Haxxx !!! Haha. Good way to release stress. Gone were the days
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you want everyday PVP, you play world of tanks...
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its ok, your species is know to be lazy
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make pvp ...whoever gets killed will drop one of his item and pkers can get it...fuuuuuu
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[quote=The Amateur Working Bee,Jul 6 2012, 10:10 AM]
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THIS

great games like starcraft1 and D2, they are build by those creator with ideal in mind, with passion.
game like sc2 and D3 ? they build by money minded people...
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SC2 > D3

please

SC2 has FAR more replay values than D3, the ladder system is enough to keep you laddering for a lifetime unlike D3 inferno endgame lul

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sigh... too bad not everyone is good enuf for the ladder game....

finish campaign , tried some ladder game ... but i know i not competitive enuf , so ...

now prefer watch and enjoy those sc2 youtube replay by those Korean, their gameplay quite awesome ...

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Jul 5 2012, 03:44 AM)
And at the same time, i should probably be praying everyday, hoping that GW2 will not be a big pile of poo like Diablo 3 or Mass Effect 3, to a certain extent.

Why is everyone thinks that GW2 will be the game that will awesome in every way and suppress the disappointment with Diablo 3?I actually think that GW2 is incredibly overhype to the point that the same mass "disappointments" that happened with Diablo 3 will happen again.

No doubt GW2 looks great at the moment and the Dynamic Event sounds really interesting, but i think it might be a good idea not to overhype another game then become very disappointed with the game after release.

At the same time, i really hope GW2 will prove me wrong that it is really a good, fun game, as almost all the games i bought this year are fairly terrible games.
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off topic..but from exp...ull have the same complains in d3 when GW2 is out, GW has a strong pvp fan base..and when u have pvp and pve...theres 1000% bound to have nerfs happening..this is unavoidable in any mmo, if u started GW beta which i did..and move on to the release of GW ull notice the game has totally changed 100% or more...in terms of skills la...ppl will complain whine and quit..but end of the day the game goes on. cos its not impossible to do it at the end of the day...in diablo ur limited to 1 build most of the time..in gw u can still alter or choose a diff skill set. which is wat i respect them for..diversity is something not easy to design and still with all the nerfs, players make manage to speed up the pve gameplay, which also proves that the skills werents "nerf" as badly as most tot.

i do hope theres something to be done in d3 tho..but im sure it will be out as an expansion...else they wont release it.
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QUOTE(tytons @ Jul 8 2012, 10:23 AM)
off topic..but from exp...ull have the same complains in d3 when GW2 is out, GW has a strong pvp fan base..and when u have pvp and pve...theres 1000% bound to have nerfs happening..this is unavoidable in any mmo, if u started GW beta which i did..and move on to the release of GW ull notice the game has totally changed 100% or more...in terms of skills la...ppl will complain whine and quit..but end of the day the game goes on. cos its not impossible to do it at the end of the day...in diablo ur limited to 1 build most of the time..in gw u can still alter or choose a diff skill set. which is wat i respect them for..diversity is something not easy to design and still with all the nerfs, players make manage to speed up the pve gameplay, which also proves that the skills werents "nerf" as badly as most tot.

i do hope theres something to be done in d3 tho..but im sure it will be out as an expansion...else they wont release it.
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I dont have problem with nerfing, it is part of the balance but what Blizzard did with D3 was not acceptable for me because it is difficult to find new gears that is as good as the previous ias. Also, the nerf in damage due to reduced ias wasnt even small to begin with. D3 is controlled by loot drops with all the sudden all your ias equipment become rubbish because blizzard decide to nerf it overnight. Was it fair for the players? While good loot drops are rare and good items on AH cost a bomb? In addition, since when D3 is a competitive game where balance matters? Diablo is always about finding some borderline exploits and exploit it to your benefit but Blizzard decide to nerf every single expoits people find. Will Elite packs whine on the forum because the damage is too high? Diablo has always been about getting the next shiny powerful loot, not balance, AH or real money rubbish. And Diablo 3 is not a MMO, if D3 is a MMO, then it must be a garbage MMO then. I have seen some free MMO that is better than D3.

If GW2 decide to nerf something overnight, what will be wrong then? You can respec easily or just swap your weapons to make up for it. As you said, GW encourages variety of builds, while Diablo 3 has completely failed on that, in my honest opinion. However, if they constantly make sweeping changes in the final game, that will be very annoying. Knowing the fact that GW2 will have minimum grinding for gear, i wont be that concern if they decided to nerf something by 50% overnight since its easy to swap gear.

Both are different game, one is a potentially a good MMO, and the other one, is a piece of shit tries to be a full fledged MMO.
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I dont have problem with nerfing, it is part of the balance but what Blizzard did with D3 was not acceptable for me because it is difficult to find new gears that is as good as the previous ias. Also, the nerf in damage due to reduced ias wasnt even small to begin with. D3 is controlled by loot drops with all the sudden all your ias equipment become rubbish because blizzard decide to nerf it overnight. Was it fair for the players? While good loot drops are rare and good items on AH cost a bomb? In addition, since when D3 is a competitive game where balance matters? Diablo is always about finding some borderline exploits and exploit it to your benefit but Blizzard decide to nerf every single expoits people find. Will Elite packs whine on the forum because the damage is too high? Diablo has always been about getting the next shiny powerful loot, not balance, AH or real money rubbish. And Diablo 3 is not a MMO, if D3 is a MMO, then it must be a garbage MMO then. I have seen some free MMO that is better than D3.

If GW2 decide to nerf something overnight, what will be wrong then? You can respec easily or just swap your weapons to make up for it. As you said, GW encourages variety of builds, while Diablo 3 has completely failed on that, in my honest opinion. However, if they constantly make sweeping changes in the final game, that will be very annoying. Knowing the fact that GW2 will have minimum grinding for gear, i wont be that concern if they decided to nerf something by 50% overnight since its easy to swap gear.

Both are different game, one is a potentially a good MMO, and the other one, is a piece of shit tries to be a full fledged MMO.
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i do agree with you on the nerfing part..but i think the biggest mistake was their short vision...and yes D3 is item base..if u run out naked with no armor ur, tho ur lvl 60 ur no better then a lvl i ..most probably. ur weapon + armors determine ur dmg and thats a pretty pathetic thing. exploits however needs to be fix...and the economy thing..thats a players fault la. when D3 1st got release ..u see ppl simply bantai prices of item..and they think what they have is pretty good..so they startout with some crazy price n when they have better stuff it goes higher n higher n higher..eventually they created a virtual "ecomomy" like hong kong ...where gold just didnt have much value. the reason why i say its players fault is because even with the insane high prices..ppl are buying it....so it encourages the economy to stay that way or progressively go higher. i also think the biggest mistake they did was to say its not an mmo...if its not..things like AH shouldnt be there..if ur not ready to fix ur content or update fast..dont make it run out so fast...these days ppl are not stupid like they were 10 years ago..games have become more and more difficult..ppl think alot faster and making it online only encourages more brains to do the same thing ..which leads to completion of the game faster. duno la what they had in mind when designing..i know 1 of the thing was to encourage buying ori..and having it online was the safest and best way...for now.

GW on the other hand wasnt item base from the start..they have n had promise u can get the best item from merchants. so in other words...u need not worry and infact everything u want is a maxout item..and can be bought easily...anything non max is garbage n is salvaged. GW core is the skills...so if u nerf that its like nerfings ppls weapon in D3..hence ppl get really angry..if u see when they 1st introduce assasins..they were freaking strong in pvp..but in pve..so so only...but that also kena nerf..man were not happy at all. but in time ppl found thier way around it.

but all in all GW and D3 have 2 diff target goals, 1 aims to give players a good exp with no grinding..and 1 does....1 admit mistakes or atleast have a good community rep, (gaile back then) and 1 has the snobbishest GM's ull ever see in any game which have 0 customer service value.

im no fan of bliz after wow came out, cos ive always loved GW and thats 1 of the longest game ive played besides fung wan online. GW2 however is a total diff game...lvling cap also maxed out..and its been overhyped by non GW players...so im not putting any faith in it so i wont get disappointed like d3 fans tongue.gif
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so ur telling me that for the nearly 2 month + , the D3 i play (till now) is still in BETA ?
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so ur telling me that for the nearly 2 month + , the D3 i play (till now) is still in BETA ?
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From Mr Bashiok :

We recognize that the item hunt is just not enough for a long-term sustainable end-game. There are still tons of people playing every day and week, and playing a lot, but eventually they're going to run out of stuff to do (if they haven't already). Killing enemies and finding items is a lot of fun, and we think we have a lot of the systems surrounding that right, or at least on the right path with a few corrections and tweaks. But honestly Diablo III is not World of Warcraft. We aren't going to be able to pump out tons of new systems and content every couple months. There needs to be something else that keeps people engaged, and we know it's not there right now.

Maybe answer your question ?

Source : http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6019511928#17
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just wondering how can people get 1.5 billion gold just for single item.....feel sad to the game full of gold bot and destroying the economic in auction house....http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2945/yuprich.png

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Blizzard should just settle the bots first. if not then RMAH is pointless.

- bot player finds loot. set at 100,000,000.
- bot player finds gold too, lots of it.
- bot player then sells gold, so non-bot players have to buy gold from them to buy loot set at 100,000,000.

found something great and selling it at 2mil? well you have others having similar goods, and I believe many are botters.

if you sell low, probably it's yet another botter who will buy it and attempt to resell at higher price.
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Sometimes i do hope there will be no AH in this game..
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 10 2012, 12:10 PM)
Blizzard should just settle the bots first. if not then RMAH is pointless.

- bot player finds loot. set at 100,000,000.
- bot player finds gold too, lots of it.
- bot player then sells gold, so non-bot players have to buy gold from them to buy loot set at 100,000,000.

found something great and selling it at 2mil? well you have others having similar goods, and I believe many are botters.

if you sell low, probably it's yet another botter who will buy it and attempt to resell at higher price.
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those gold bots r making the gold value deteriorates extremely fast, soon 500,000,000 gold wont even fetch you half decent gear
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QUOTE(sammm33 @ Jul 9 2012, 10:44 AM)
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so ur telling me that for the nearly 2 month + , the D3 i play (till now) is still in BETA ?
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i didnt say the game is beta..just the whole community says so..
i say the game didnt go thru proper planning and no contingency steps taking appropriately, if u been playing the game since day1 of release u would have notice that theres no end game..which i dont really care atm but the step to handle the economy is really stupid...increase repair cost??WTF? so in other words..if u play inferno which Jay said its meant to he hell difficult...true....reason is because there is no drops that prepares you for it..which is a con job. not only that as u die and progressively not progress in game u lose money...so...hows that a "step" to balance out the economy?

pretty stupid idea if you ask me...its like they have not put much taught before executing such a dumbass idea.
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QUOTE(tytons @ Jul 11 2012, 02:46 AM)
i didnt say the game is beta..just the whole community says so..
i say the game didnt go thru proper planning and no contingency steps taking appropriately, if u been playing the game since day1 of release u would have notice that theres no end game..which i dont really care atm but the step to handle the economy is really stupid...increase repair cost??WTF? so in other words..if u play inferno which Jay said its meant to he hell difficult...true....reason is because there is no drops that prepares you for it..which is a con job. not only that as u die and progressively not progress in game u lose money...so...hows that a "step" to balance out the economy?

pretty stupid idea if you ask me...its like they have not put much taught before executing such a dumbass idea.
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yea i actually get what you try to tell... its like the whole game itself is not yet mature, but somehow its released...

waited near 10 year for D3 but end up get this kind of game quality ... really really sad as this is so not acceptable (for myself and at my opinion, those who still think D3 is good plz go on and continue play it and let me continue my ranting here, as i'm not here to stop you to play D3 , thank you)...

judge from the previous response and some other comment, it seems that some still quite enjoy the D3 with their own particular reason... mebi they can accept it but sorry , definitely not me, i cannot accept this D3...


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QUOTE(deathTh3Cannon @ Jul 9 2012, 04:40 PM)
From Mr Bashiok :

We recognize that the item hunt is just not enough for a long-term sustainable end-game. There are still tons of people playing every day and week, and playing a lot, but eventually they're going to run out of stuff to do (if they haven't already). Killing enemies and finding items is a lot of fun, and we think we have a lot of the systems surrounding that right, or at least on the right path with a few corrections and tweaks. But honestly Diablo III is not World of Warcraft. We aren't going to be able to pump out tons of new systems and content every couple months. There needs to be something else that keeps people engaged, and we know it's not there right now.

Maybe answer your question ?

Source : http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6019511928#17
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... sounds like they try quite hard to explain why the heck more and more ppl is leaving D3

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