Nokia 808 - V02 - [The King of Camera Phones], PUREVIEW - The Legend of Camera Phone!!!
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 Sep 6 2012, 10:43 AM
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 QUOTE "To be fair, the video was a demonstration of optical image stabilization, not PureView" -Doug Dawson, Vice President of Media Relations, Nokia Already busted and admit "the video was a fabrication", anyone still buying 920 for the image stabilization or whatsoever, they after 920 not for pureview nor puremotion but pure"fanboy".... |
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Sep 6 2012, 10:47 AM
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I won't say that. Just wait for more market review by the third party. More reviews will appear I am sure about it.
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Sep 6 2012, 10:47 AM
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Disappointing lets see how review will turn out
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Sep 6 2012, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE(tonberry_ax @ Sep 6 2012, 10:43 AM) Already busted and admit "the video was a fabrication", anyone still buying 920 for the image stabilization or whatsoever, they after 920 not for pureview nor puremotion but pure"fanboy"....  |
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Sep 6 2012, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 6 2012, 10:47 AM) Disappointing lets see how review will turn out Maybe you would get a pureview 808 afterall? Its one of its kind thats for sure. |
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Sep 6 2012, 10:52 AM
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QUOTE(peter32 @ Sep 6 2012, 10:49 AM) Maybe you would get a pureview 808 afterall? Its one of its kind thats for sure. Hahaha at first the 920 stunned me. Now like 808 seems a lot better. So all the scene in the video is all true or all fake?This post has been edited by aspire2oo6: Sep 6 2012, 10:53 AM |
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Sep 6 2012, 10:53 AM
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QUOTE(peter32 @ Sep 6 2012, 10:49 AM) Maybe you would get a pureview 808 afterall? Its one of its kind thats for sure. This i going to agree with you, even tho i not a professional photographer. By using 808 it makes the picture i taken looks like one. |
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Sep 6 2012, 10:58 AM
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QUOTE(peter32 @ Sep 6 2012, 10:10 AM) I guess you have a point there. I used Windows Mobile since it's first version; Microsoft was never about controlling and limiting users. WP is totally different, but then based on WP problems and design, it seems as if the project was done by some outside company or something because there's some flaw in their DB Contact design which shouldn't happen to a company like MS which have own DB software and they even teach proper DB Design in their courses.But for those who are not into games and lots of apps, an ability to sync with window platform later (with win 8) do serve some good. I also saw some of the nokia presentation last night, and admit that while nokia provide the hardware, its the software that eventually make it practical. Assuming the window 8 can only make things better, and workable with tablet, I would assume that the first thing microsoft should do is the ability to change platform by the owner. meaning sync with tablet, or desktop and handphone in daily productivity work. I don't play game. The reason I don't get an ipad is that ipad or other tablet does not allow user login, meaning all data I have on my tablet will have to be shared by all user. Win 8 should bypass that security concern. So its good for serious users with lots of personal data to play with. Handphone with its limited size is never able to zoom effectively. Even with pureview I hardly zoom knowing deep down that it just dilute the resolution by doing so. So handphone camera can only be used as fixed 28mm camera with great resolution at best, much like the Fujifilm RX100 I think ? So I think nokia this time, with the convenience of wireless charging, ability to play full Office document and sync with desktop in future, will be able to attract serious attention. I don't think they are there to fully clash head on with the younger 18-30 yr old consumers. 920 seems like aiming towards 25-45 year old executive, college crowds, and senior exe. Definitely not for 16-20 year old music listeners per se. I am choosy towards those stuff actually. If the item attracts me, I think it would attract lots of others too. Just an opinion. Anyway, WP7 is very much like iOS, where iPhone is just an iPod Touch with phone feature, WP7 is the much improved Zune Media Player with phone feature, instead if basing it on a smartphone or proper Pocket PC. Probably they wanna "follow" iPhone, since iPhone is successful.... Fuji X100 is a 35mm and using APS-C size sensor, so it's giving about 50mm focal length in 35mm format. It's totally different with fixed 28mm handphone camera. Have you tried using 808 at widest angle all the time? Notice the distortion? Anyway, I'm sure the Lumia 820 and 920 still can zoom, just that it won't have similar 808 PureView lossess zoom technology. With 808 PureView, it's not the 38MP or 34MP, when I'm using PureView 8MP, I can get the same true 8MP quality even I zoom to the max. That's a big difference here if you were to compare. I'm also choosy, but it doesn't mean if it attract me it would attract others. I think we should be open and understand each person has different needs. Sometimes, even we think the product was very good, it doesn't mean everyone will like it. There're many different category of users, hence, why there is many different category of products. That's why I find it weird that Nokia once understood the need to different person and they used to come up with different product for different category of people, suddenly locked down and use only WP. QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 6 2012, 10:10 AM) They twist and turn. Pureview now it's not the original pureview. It just uses its name. It becomes pure motion Yup, where is the PureView technology?It's sad Nokia has come to use this tactic. It's becoming like... erm... Apple. I read about their micro-SD support not available in Lumia 920... My Gosh, the lame excuse, typical Apple. What's happening to Nokia????? QUOTE(peter32 @ Sep 6 2012, 10:14 AM) Which means we would expect a super phone by Nokia which has all the above features, ie. 41MP, OIS, windows for higher price ? Or maybe it can be found in Vertu brand ? The question: Can WP support it. |
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Sep 6 2012, 11:01 AM
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[quote=Andy214,Sep 6 2012, 10:58 AM]
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « That's why its call a twist. You notice lately Nokia have so much confusion until we dunno which is which. Why is Nokia 808 called Nokia 808 pureview?For it's over sampling and lossless zoom? That's the only thing u can do on a 808 pureview in pureview mode. I have a 808 with me in the camera setting there a full resolution and pureview. So conclusion it's a twist so now he twist phase 2 is u remove your key ingredients replace the new ingredients then call it pureview phase 2? In pureview u can choose 8mp,5mp and 3mp. True in 8mp pureview I get a true 8mp in zoom. With 920 is it digital zoom? This post has been edited by aspire2oo6: Sep 6 2012, 11:07 AM |
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Sep 6 2012, 11:09 AM
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Andy, I agree with you at some point.
Just to answer you on one point. I do use full wide screen with the pureview 808 (actually its my wife's phone), in fact, most of the time if not most. I love 28mm for a very long time as I believe its one of the most convenient lens to carry around for spontaneous shoots wherever I go. And yes, during the old camera era with film, I also used a pair of old Yashica manual with Carl Zeiss 28mm fixed lens together with 50mm lens as my prime lens. 28mm has perspective distortion but will still not curve the straight line like the 24mm I guess. Thats why I suppose the 808 suits my need well. |
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Sep 6 2012, 11:24 AM
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QUOTE(peter32 @ Sep 6 2012, 11:09 AM) Andy, I agree with you at some point. Yes, fixed focal length is not an issue for everyone, but as a business and a product, it should try to understand what people want and cater for it. Best is, give OPTIONS.Just to answer you on one point. I do use full wide screen with the pureview 808 (actually its my wife's phone), in fact, most of the time if not most. I love 28mm for a very long time as I believe its one of the most convenient lens to carry around for spontaneous shoots wherever I go. And yes, during the old camera era with film, I also used a pair of old Yashica manual with Carl Zeiss 28mm fixed lens together with 50mm lens as my prime lens. 28mm has perspective distortion but will still not curve the straight line like the 24mm I guess. Thats why I suppose the 808 suits my need well. For example: if they don't zoom or don't like to zoom, then don't use the zoom feature. It won't hurt to have the feature. See Apple, no camera Flash on their first iPhone? So is it right to say, because not everyone use, so no need to give? Similarly, the 920 missing micro-SD slot, the excuse is, not everyone use or need it. So, don't give? Should we support this kind of things as a consumer? What will happen to future product? Become less and less because got people say no need? Isn't it suppose to be, because got people want/need, we try to offer and compete with others which don't offer. Anyway, I'm sure got people will be satisfied with 820 or 920. After all, everyone has different needs. Just that, whether they can turn around, is not depend on Nokia, it's depend on Microsoft. If WP8 can be open, flexible, then it can be very different. WP7 main problem is the limitations and restrictions, it's very much like iOS. Can only hope WP8 will be different, and be a proper smartphone OS. Added on September 6, 2012, 11:40 am BIG QUESTION: If Nokia come out with 909 PureView running Symbian, 8MP, no lossess zoom, all missing. Can you call it PureView and Phase 2?  So, Lumia PureView? or fakeView? This post has been edited by Andy214: Sep 6 2012, 11:40 AM |
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Sep 6 2012, 12:30 PM
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i just noticed the lumia pictures are also misleading.
especially this one. see shadow on the tree, see the girl also getting lighted up, and the sky looking like that means got at least 2 external light sources shining. so basically the shot isnt from natural light, and nokia cheated by lighting up the whole scene to trick ppl into believing the lumia do that...just like their OIS...zzz. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « then the 'leading competitor's smartphone' shots are all with flash on, which would make it select a faster shutter speed making the backgrounds darker...and which is obvious in the pics. This post has been edited by Everdying: Sep 6 2012, 12:31 PM |
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Sep 6 2012, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Sep 6 2012, 12:30 PM) i just noticed the lumia pictures are also misleading. Wah, this photo is too obvious having big lighting there.especially this one. see shadow on the tree, see the girl also getting lighted up, and the sky looking like that means got at least 2 external light sources shining. so basically the shot isnt from natural light, and nokia cheated by lighting up the whole scene to trick ppl into believing the lumia do that...just like their OIS...zzz. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « then the 'leading competitor's smartphone' shots are all with flash on, which would make it select a faster shutter speed making the backgrounds darker...and which is obvious in the pics. The best is, having OIS, large aperture is unqiue? I think other phone manufacturer can provide this easily if they want to. It's just a common feature. Plus, OIS doesn't work for action scene or moving subjects, only works for shaky hands. There's nothing spectacular. Having OIS is nice to have, but I still see no PureView. |
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Sep 6 2012, 12:36 PM
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Sep 6 2012, 12:30 PM) i just noticed the lumia pictures are also misleading. if u check through all the ad photos, it's like especially this one. see shadow on the tree, see the girl also getting lighted up, and the sky looking like that means got at least 2 external light sources shining. so basically the shot isnt from natural light, and nokia cheated by lighting up the whole scene to trick ppl into believing the lumia do that...just like their OIS...zzz. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « then the 'leading competitor's smartphone' shots are all with flash on, which would make it select a faster shutter speed making the backgrounds darker...and which is obvious in the pics.  soo good the OIS taking still image (where the cars all having light trail but not the girl who is moving) WOW... but let us wait full GSMArena review when they get their hand on the actual review unit...  |
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Sep 6 2012, 01:04 PM
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Sep 6 2012, 01:09 PM
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It's misleading. Everyone though such 8megapixels doing such a good job
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Sep 6 2012, 01:26 PM
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 6 2012, 01:09 PM) It's misleading. Everyone though such 8megapixels doing such a good job they can't bring u to heaven so lead u to holland... LOL  |
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Sep 6 2012, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 6 2012, 01:09 PM) It's misleading. Everyone though such 8megapixels doing such a good job Nokia marketing has yet to learn from their mistake» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Sep 6 2012, 02:44 PM
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QUOTE(hox @ Sep 6 2012, 02:09 PM) Nokia marketing has yet to learn from their mistake Hahaha you nail it that's funny.» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Sep 6 2012, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Sep 6 2012, 12:30 PM) i just noticed the lumia pictures are also misleading. especially this one. see shadow on the tree, see the girl also getting lighted up, and the sky looking like that means got at least 2 external light sources shining. so basically the shot isnt from natural light, and nokia cheated by lighting up the whole scene to trick ppl into believing the lumia do that...just like their OIS...zzz. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « then the 'leading competitor's smartphone' shots are all with flash on, which would make it select a faster shutter speed making the backgrounds darker...and which is obvious in the pics. QUOTE(hox @ Sep 6 2012, 02:09 PM) Nokia marketing has yet to learn from their mistake Looks like Nokia had remake the history again, Congrats. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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