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post Jul 14 2012, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(unicorn70 @ Jul 14 2012, 03:29 PM)
actually, i'm one of those who will be putting down my dslr ( maybe for a period of time...) and going to a high end compact. so i'll be replacing my dslr with either the successor to xz1/s100 or the rx100. i'm still waiting for the others to show up first.
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Between now and sept(photokina) we will get to see a new generation of
high end compacts. Fast lens and I inch sensor will be expected or else
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post Jul 14 2012, 04:24 PM

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LX7 is coming biggrin.gif
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post Jul 14 2012, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Jul 14 2012, 03:17 PM)
not really.. this is a camera not to replace dslrs but to act as a very very capable 2nd camera which is also pocket-able at the same time
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In some daily activites, they do replace DSLR.

For example, I use my girlfriend's XZ-1 to snap the photos of cuisines. We enjoy hanging out with my Sony alpha left in my beg. My hands will be occupied when going out with her, helping her to carry shopping stuff. icon_question.gif

Some of these high-end compact do better macro than normal kit. I only have a 16-105mm for my Sony's system, can't really do macro, while XZ-1 can focus as close as 1cm, which is quite useful. I don't have to keep changing lens to enjoy the large aperture with XZ-1. It's convenient, and nowadays small sensor can actually perform as close as (if not surpass) an aged APS-C sensor.
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post Jul 14 2012, 10:04 PM

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The examples that you guys gave is using the RX100 to replace the DSLR for your day to day shots. It will still never replace a DSLR/DSLT for serious stuff, e.g. weddings, events, sports. smile.gif just my opinion biggrin.gif
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post Jul 15 2012, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Jul 14 2012, 10:04 PM)
The examples that you guys gave is using the RX100 to replace the DSLR for your day to day shots. It will still never replace a DSLR/DSLT for serious stuff, e.g. weddings, events, sports. smile.gif just my opinion biggrin.gif
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Of course, but the mirrorless are going to shorten the distance between compact and SLR
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QUOTE(Ryou @ Jul 15 2012, 03:54 PM)
Of course, but the mirrorless are going to shorten the distance between compact and SLR
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yeah.. waiting for the day for on-sensor phase detection which actually works.. smile.gif
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post Jul 17 2012, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Jul 15 2012, 03:55 PM)
yeah.. waiting for the day for on-sensor phase detection which actually works..  smile.gif
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The Nikon 1 punya dun work ker?

Actually the V1 is quite a sweet camera... shame about the menu though (totally dunno how to use).
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jul 17 2012, 01:21 PM)
The Nikon 1 punya dun work ker?

Actually the V1 is quite a sweet camera... shame about the menu though (totally dunno how to use).
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it only works it bright day light. and you can't control when you wanna use it. the camera will decide for itself.
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post Jul 17 2012, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jul 17 2012, 01:21 PM)
The Nikon 1 punya dun work ker?

Actually the V1 is quite a sweet camera... shame about the menu though (totally dunno how to use).
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Ya. Good camera, with so so lens, and unreasonable price.
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Looks like LX7 went with a faster f1.4 lens like samseng rather than a bigger sensor. Rx100 win di
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post Jul 18 2012, 08:34 AM

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info out already?
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Jul 18 2012, 08:34 AM)
info out already?
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http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-and-now-full-l...e-and-lx7-pics/

New sensor that's even smaller than the previous doh.gif doh.gif (dunno if its a backlit cmos though..doesn't say) but 24-90mm f1.4-2.3 lens

And they finally realized those fugly ah beng red fonts that Panasonic have a tendency to slap all over their products have to be removed. Though they still whack an equally senseless "nano crystal coating" on the camera's face (in less offensive white though)

Doesn't look impressive on paper... see how the sensor does lo. There's a stop of lens brightness advantage over the RX100
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jul 18 2012, 10:10 AM)
http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-and-now-full-l...e-and-lx7-pics/

New sensor that's even smaller than the previous  doh.gif  doh.gif (dunno if its a backlit cmos though..doesn't say) but 24-90mm f1.4-2.3 lens

And they finally realized those fugly ah beng red fonts that Panasonic have a tendency to slap all over their products have to be removed. Though they still whack an equally senseless "nano crystal coating" on the camera's face (in less offensive white though)

Doesn't look impressive on paper... see how the sensor does lo. There's a stop of lens brightness advantage over the RX100
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but the RX100 still has a bigger sensor to compensate that one stop disadvantage tongue.gif
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QUOTE(zstan @ Jul 18 2012, 11:42 AM)
but the RX100 still has a bigger sensor to compensate that one stop disadvantage  tongue.gif
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Yup... that's why its curious to see if the new sensor is a backlit cmos or not. That could help pull-in the difference.

Currently the RX100 has at least one stop advantage over LX5/XZ1.

Also downloaded the large jpeg samples for the LX7.... doesn't look good sad.gif
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jul 18 2012, 11:59 AM)
Yup... that's why its curious to see if the new sensor is a backlit cmos or not. That could help pull-in the difference.

Currently the RX100 has at least one stop advantage over LX5/XZ1.

Also downloaded the large jpeg samples for the LX7.... doesn't look good sad.gif
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correct me if i am a wrong but a backlit sensor will only give you better performance at high ISO performance. color seperation, dynamic range and the amount of details you can get doesnt get improved. rx100 still wins laugh.gif
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jul 18 2012, 10:10 AM)
http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-and-now-full-l...e-and-lx7-pics/

New sensor that's even smaller than the previous  doh.gif  doh.gif (dunno if its a backlit cmos though..doesn't say) but 24-90mm f1.4-2.3 lens

And they finally realized those fugly ah beng red fonts that Panasonic have a tendency to slap all over their products have to be removed. Though they still whack an equally senseless "nano crystal coating" on the camera's face (in less offensive white though)

Doesn't look impressive on paper... see how the sensor does lo. There's a stop of lens brightness advantage over the RX100
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Wonder how if Zeiss's T* coating VS Lumix's Nano Surface Coating.
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jul 18 2012, 11:59 AM)
Yup... that's why its curious to see if the new sensor is a backlit cmos or not. That could help pull-in the difference.

Currently the RX100 has at least one stop advantage over LX5/XZ1.

Also downloaded the large jpeg samples for the LX7.... doesn't look good sad.gif
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i saw lx7 preview sample too in dpreview.com....the indoor pictures dont look good...
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QUOTE(zstan @ Jul 18 2012, 12:25 PM)
correct me if i am a wrong but a backlit sensor will only give you better performance at high ISO performance. color seperation, dynamic range and the amount of details you can get doesnt get improved. rx100 still wins  laugh.gif
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Ya.. Dynamic range sorely lacking on the previous lx/xz sensor but thats not fully size dependant. Like S100's DR quite good wat... Despite its small size
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anyway this time they really put out a great lens.... 1.4-2.5 that is sure fast.
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Jul 18 2012, 04:57 PM)
anyway this time they really put out a great lens.... 1.4-2.5 that is sure fast.
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It's a balance la... between lens and sensor.

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