What is the difference between masters and specialization? Do you have to do masters in order to specialize? Please do not say I did not do my homework. I called IMU many times and they said you have to find it on the internet. I tried googling carreer pathway of a doctor in Malaysia and all the infomation are irrelevant.

Maybe you need to change your search parameters. Anyway,

http://pagalavan.com/2010/11/11/for-future...raining-part-3/

http://pagalavan.com/education/for-future-...ty-in-medicine/

It's all there!!

This post has been edited by podrunner: Jul 8 2013, 11:10 PM

Thanks for all the clarification limeuu.



Its not about people wanting to leave msia or not. Its about having a choice to work elsewhere other than Malaysia. Idk if its just me but after reading all the posts about medical forums here it seems like the future of medicine in Msia is kinda bleak for me. :/

Thanks for the heads up. By any chance do you have any links on psychiatry for me to read about? I'm particularly interested in this field.

yikes. The internship crisis is still ongoing in Aus, and I think a new med school was introduced recently here, and it wasn't received well by the students/AMSA. I'm amazed at the condition Msia is in at the moment, with so many med schools, will there be adequate spots for internship in the future, if there is, i'm not too sure how many interns will be attached to a ward/unit. maybe 5 interns to one small unit?

I'm still not entirely sure regarding pathways for UK, US and Malaysia really. I do know some doctors take up masters of science and regard themselves as specialists in clin chem. My understanding of specialization is that you go into a specific pathway after intern/RMO years regardless of what PGY, eg basic physician training, gen surg, psych, GP training, and complete the module within a specific time + exams. And more specialization occurs after the initial training like BPT going on to further training in fields like cardio,endo, gastro, THEN going on for sub-specialties.

Psych is a very very interesting area for me. Unless you have done a term in this, you can't really say you like it. Things in psych are very blurry because we still don't know what's going on really, even with drugs. One of my psychiatrist lecturer told us that they normally just trial and error and sometimes they don't even know what's going on. I do love this field because of the doctor patient relationship unlike some specialties. Will i go into it? maybe do bit more during my RMO years, but maybe not specializing in it.

just google or wiki, it's good enough for now ;p If you really want more. Google books by Pridmore, or any books related to psych.

The internship training is still not that bad here. My nephew graduated from Russia this year and was easily placed in Sultan Aminah Hospital together with his gf and this is just less than 10 minutes from his place of residence.
He is finding it stressful probably due to the inadequacy of the training in Russia.
Its not true that most are being sent to rural areas. Even if graduates are sent there, they should accept that.
Another graduate from UMS told me that most of his batch mates prefer to be based in Sabah, dont know whether this is true.

it's the same thing.....'having a choice to work elsewhere other than Malaysia' IS wanting to leave....

msian med schools are not up to adequate standards to be recognised elsewhere....except for um/ukm by spore, and pre-1989 um graduates by gmc.....

how does getting a housemanship job equate to 'internship training is still not that bad here'.....?

I think I made my point clear irrespective of the usage.

Used to be dominated by Freud and Jung, but mostly evidence-based and psychopharmacology nowadays - personally, I couldn't care less about psychotherapy (although one would probably have to engage in some form of psychotherapy as a primary care provider); what's more interesting is the growing arsenal of psychotropic drugs and the pharmacology behind them

Yeah but I agree with onelove, progress is hard to track in psychiatry, it just doesn't yield concrete results that you would otherwise see in say, surgery. But then again it's hard to dislike psychiatry as a specialty, the hours are good, the pay is decent (at least in Aus), and you can probably get through the day without touching a patient (along with radiology and pathology)

how much better are government students against private students (let's say in the top 40 out of 200 students) ? are we really that bad?

Presumably not much of difference if both sides selection are merit based and top down approach.

Anyone knows if RCSI still have links with MARA?

To those who had to learn Russian, where did you attend your classes?

I don't think there is a need to learn Russian as you won't interact with the patients! Your Prof will do his bedside teaching in English.

I'm not a current/prospective medical student, just asking for centers or courses that reach that level of language proficiency needed for university level.

The only place I found was the one in Jalan Pinang. Asked here to see whether there are other places offering recognized courses since a sizable number of med students study in Russia (I heard they study the language for a year before going off?).

This post has been edited by chiiupe: Jul 21 2013, 10:23 PM

The nine months course is a foundation course to enter university and not a language course.

so they are not allowed to take a history from the patients at all?

Good article

http://www.thestar.com.my/Opinion/Letters/...escription.aspx

Sorry to say that the same kind of things are happening in other professions as well. These include lawyers, accountants, architects, engineers etc.

Many are actually guided by $$$$$ or parental choice.

For info sake, ask those who are not in critical courses and see what course they are allocated and see how many were given the first 3 preference in their choices.Its real messy out there!

Guys,
in the medical field, once you graduate you can choose to specialize... eg becoming a surgeon, physician, paediatrician. you can remained 'unspecialize' and remain a humble General Practioner(GP), because in Malaysia you can be a GP without any specialization. The you can sub specialize even further eg cardiologist, neurosurgeon etc. These are specialization above the specialization after graduating. You can still further specialize eg paediatric cardiothoracic surgeon...etc but that will only be for the few of us...
with regards to graduating in Msia or outside, I think the prospect of specializing is good in Msia or even outside, just that you need to have the drive to do it. Believe me guys, when you see secondary school mate who did business becoming the COO of Affin Bank, and you are still struggling to finish your subspecialization, then you understand....this is the truth,
As this is topics is for medical students or potential students, just know that medicine is never about money (even some of my friends are earning millions) or glamour, it is a calling that demand sacrifices from you you never imagine possible!
Godspeed...