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 Wizard Discussion, Come, all ye arcanists

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paogiv3r
post Jun 14 2012, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(ellimist @ Jun 14 2012, 04:49 PM)
Channeling in inferno is suicidal, unless you have unbelievable gears I guess tongue.gif
Yay nice, wizzies around here can use the calculator, and update values accordingly so you know what your purchase is gonna do for you in terms of DPS :claps:


Added on June 14, 2012, 4:50 pm

Allows you to 3 hit kill any elites? Y so imba? tongue.gif

Or you're talking about being 3 hit killed by an elite

Wah saved up so much, deff enough to regear decently notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(bontotalan @ Jun 14 2012, 04:52 PM)
not 3 hit kill

3 hit killED~ tongue.gif

yea, planning to get around 20mil before 1.0.3 , then waiting 3 days after 1.0.3 while farming myself and get the gear that i dont have
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QUOTE(dishwasher @ Jun 14 2012, 04:52 PM)
Depends on how your bro wants to play. His built seems to be halfway between a melee wizard and a kiter tho. If he wants to melee, there are some builds a few pages back. But here's what I think:

1. Diamond skin - keep this if you really want to melee, otherwise, teleport with fracture/wormhole is better. Get the illusionist passive skill too.
2. Frost nova - again, a melee skill.
3. Arcane orb shield thingy - really only for melee builds, and even then, not the best you can have. Explosion would be better. Blizzard - this is for kiting.
4. some shield - I hope this is Energy armor with force rune

rclick laserpewpew (aka Disintergrate or Ray of frost?) - These are good skills if you can stand still and shoot. Problem is, inferno is almost impossible to tank, so standing still means dying.
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can someone confirms this? does damage return on melee "reduce incoming attack" upon hitting you?
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post Jun 14 2012, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(paogiv3r @ Jun 14 2012, 04:58 PM)
can someone confirms this? does damage return on melee "reduce incoming attack" upon hitting you?
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damage return? i don't really quite sure what you meant.... is it stat or skill?

This post has been edited by bontotalan: Jun 14 2012, 04:59 PM
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post Jun 14 2012, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(paogiv3r @ Jun 14 2012, 04:43 PM)
like ellimist & alexdino said, diamond skin is no longer useful unless you have lots of def and resist and armor.

D3 is really like a piece of puzzles game where how you want to strategize your built.

Based from his play style i think he likes to play AOE spells. with range?

pew pew lazer? the channeling spells works great if you do not increase your attack speed, else your arcane power get drain even faster. IAS dont' work on channeling spells.
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well, sort of a mix of both

i watched him play most of the time while nagging him to go offline so i can play WoW in peace when he's in hell difficulty. usually he burns his arcane power with the laser beam skill and use frost nova/ diamond skin to escape while activating the satelite balls to aoe mobs

seeing that mobs are indeed crazier at inferno difficulty and earlier corpse running attempt, especially when elites are tagged with stupidly imba perks

so, i should advise him to use other spells other than the beam ones? any advice on spells he should use?
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post Jun 14 2012, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(bontotalan @ Jun 14 2012, 04:48 PM)
i stacked aspd actually, since its gonna nerf i'm saving up money to see how much nerf its going to get. if its too much i'm changing to int gear
14m money and counting saved
hahaha thanks dude for the explanation, i think i have 2350 life after kill total, so around 7000 hp per resummon...
btw my stats allow me too 3 hit any elites

icy quillback doesnt count because he attacked twice per hit
yea it's a good bug, but don't know when would be nerfed
yea i learned this from other lowyateers biggrin.gif
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how 14m? how do you get so much? got fix deposit? shocking.gif
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post Jun 14 2012, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(Instant_noodle @ Jun 14 2012, 05:00 PM)
well, sort of a mix of both

i watched him play most of the time while nagging him to go offline so i can play WoW in peace when he's in hell difficulty. usually he burns his arcane power with the laser beam skill and use frost nova/ diamond skin to escape while activating the satelite balls to aoe mobs

seeing that mobs are indeed crazier at inferno difficulty and earlier corpse running attempt, especially when elites are tagged with stupidly imba perks

so, i should advise him to use other spells other than the beam ones? any advice on spells he should use?
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i did fine on the laser, what's his level? and whats his dps on his weapon


Added on June 14, 2012, 5:02 pmuser posted image

My sucky equipment, this is WITH buff [magic weapon and force armor]

But still managed to 5 stack and kill siegebreaker


Added on June 14, 2012, 5:04 pm
QUOTE(Alexdino @ Jun 14 2012, 05:01 PM)
how 14m?  how do you get so much? got fix deposit?  shocking.gif
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all from farming siegebreaker

4m on this one legendary glove
then like 300k-2m per piece of stuff...
takes a long time to get though....

This post has been edited by bontotalan: Jun 14 2012, 05:04 PM
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post Jun 14 2012, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(bontotalan @ Jun 14 2012, 05:01 PM)
i did fine on the laser, what's his level? and whats his dps on his weapon


Added on June 14, 2012, 5:02 pmuser posted image

My sucky equipment, this is WITH buff [magic weapon and force armor]

But still managed to 5 stack and kill siegebreaker


Added on June 14, 2012, 5:04 pm

all from farming siegebreaker

4m on this one legendary glove
then like 300k-2m per piece of stuff...
takes a long time to get though....
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can you show all the eq's details? pretty please? thumbup.gif
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post Jun 14 2012, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(Instant_noodle @ Jun 14 2012, 05:00 PM)
well, sort of a mix of both

i watched him play most of the time while nagging him to go offline so i can play WoW in peace when he's in hell difficulty. usually he burns his arcane power with the laser beam skill and use frost nova/ diamond skin to escape while activating the satelite balls to aoe mobs

seeing that mobs are indeed crazier at inferno difficulty and earlier corpse running attempt, especially when elites are tagged with stupidly imba perks

so, i should advise him to use other spells other than the beam ones? any advice on spells he should use?
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Wizards tend to gravitate towards 2 styles now. Some go Blizzard/Venom Hydra. Drop a Hydra, slow them, and run. The other is Arcane Orb/Venom Hydra with Temporal Flux passive. I prefer arcane orb, cos like Ellimist I think it gives me more control running around shooting stuff.

Round out the rest of your skills with:
1. Force armor
2. Force weapon
3. Teleport

L-click - any signature spell you like. I prefer Magic Missiles with seeker. Being able to shoot around corners is priceless in some situations, and being able to fire behind your character aimlessly while kiting is even better. When I kite my character literally spazzes out turning back and forth, shooting missiles out of her ass.
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post Jun 14 2012, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(xbbshampoo @ Jun 14 2012, 05:05 PM)
can you show all the eq's details? pretty please?  thumbup.gif
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Gonna take around 10 min to edit... wait ahh~
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post Jun 14 2012, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(bontotalan @ Jun 14 2012, 05:07 PM)
Gonna take around 10 min to edit... wait ahh~
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thx bro tongue.gif
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post Jun 14 2012, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(dishwasher @ Jun 14 2012, 05:06 PM)
Wizards tend to gravitate towards 2 styles now. Some go Blizzard/Venom Hydra. Drop a Hydra, slow them, and run. The other is Arcane Orb/Venom Hydra with Temporal Flux passive. I prefer arcane orb, cos like Ellimist I think it gives me more control running around shooting stuff.

Round out the rest of your skills with:
1. Force armor
2. Force weapon
3. Teleport

L-click - any signature spell you like. I prefer Magic Missiles with seeker. Being able to shoot around corners is priceless in some situations, and being able to fire behind your character aimlessly while kiting is even better. When I kite my character literally spazzes out turning back and forth, shooting missiles out of her ass.
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@Instant_noodle:

The above is the generic build. If you're on blizz/venom hydra, would recommend to use piercing orb to dmg multiple mobs. If you're on the arcane orb one use magic missle, since it works with temporal flux passive.

@bontotalan:

U use chanelling in inferno? o.O
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post Jun 14 2012, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(xbbshampoo @ Jun 14 2012, 05:08 PM)
thx bro  tongue.gif
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here it is smile.gif told you its sucky

and yes i'm using those cheapo rings which cost like 50k-80k each, forgot
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post Jun 14 2012, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(bontotalan @ Jun 14 2012, 04:59 PM)
damage return? i don't really quite sure what you meant.... is it stat or skill?
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a stats in equipment, melee attackers get dmg : xxx dmg
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I use two similar rings, just that mine 69 int sad.gif
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post Jun 14 2012, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(bontotalan @ Jun 14 2012, 05:15 PM)
here it is smile.gif told you its sucky

and yes i'm using those cheapo rings which cost like 50k-80k each, forgot
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haha, nicer than mine bro laugh.gif

don't know when can get some eq like yours hmm.gif
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post Jun 14 2012, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(xbbshampoo @ Jun 14 2012, 05:20 PM)
haha, nicer than mine bro  laugh.gif

don't know when can get some eq like yours  hmm.gif
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let me break it down

helm - butcher inferno
boots - ah
shoulder - elite act 3
gloves - ah
rings - ah
wrist - elite act 3
c4hest - warden inferno
amulte - ah [20k only i bought tongue.gif bidding]
sword - elite act 3
belt - ah
pants - elite act 3


Added on June 14, 2012, 5:25 pm
QUOTE(paogiv3r @ Jun 14 2012, 05:17 PM)
a stats in equipment, melee attackers get dmg : xxx dmg
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no it does not reduce it
the only thing that reduce it are

physical resistance
armor

This post has been edited by bontotalan: Jun 14 2012, 05:25 PM
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post Jun 14 2012, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(bontotalan @ Jun 14 2012, 05:25 PM)
let me break it down

helm - butcher inferno
boots - ah
shoulder - elite act 3
gloves - ah
rings - ah
wrist - elite act 3
c4hest - warden inferno
amulte - ah [20k only i bought tongue.gif bidding]
sword - elite act 3
belt - ah
pants - elite act 3


Added on June 14, 2012, 5:25 pm

no it does not reduce it
the only thing that reduce it are

physical resistance
armor
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i need to strap a bandana on my head and start farming liao thumbup.gif
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post Jun 14 2012, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(Instant_noodle @ Jun 14 2012, 05:00 PM)
well, sort of a mix of both

i watched him play most of the time while nagging him to go offline so i can play WoW in peace when he's in hell difficulty. usually he burns his arcane power with the laser beam skill and use frost nova/ diamond skin to escape while activating the satelite balls to aoe mobs

seeing that mobs are indeed crazier at inferno difficulty and earlier corpse running attempt, especially when elites are tagged with stupidly imba perks

so, i should advise him to use other spells other than the beam ones? any advice on spells he should use?
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channel spells need tanker in inferno, you can't solo through that with channeling spells.
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QUOTE(xbbshampoo @ Jun 14 2012, 05:26 PM)
i need to strap a bandana on my head and start farming liao  thumbup.gif
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i dont farm always now coz, act 3 drops sucky items, waiting 1.0.3

oops the belt actually i got from elite act 1/3 forgot
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post Jun 14 2012, 05:30 PM

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thx for the advices guys, it seems like he need to jack up his def for tanking, or jack up his mobility for kiting

now i hoped i dun got meself hushed out of his room again

@bontotalan

not sure about the weapon but i think he might be frantically spending geld for gears right now

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QUOTE(xbbshampoo @ Jun 14 2012, 05:26 PM)
i need to strap a bandana on my head and start farming liao  thumbup.gif
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bandana? the one with infinity symbol sewn on it?? blink.gif
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post Jun 14 2012, 05:32 PM

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Question

I have 2 one-handed weapon

A
Sword 1hd
dps is 966
dmg : 415-850
speed: 1.4
magic damage 200-400
Attkspeed 16%

B
Hammer 1hd
Dps: 865
dmg: 521-1100
speed: 1.2
magic damage 200-400
increase damage +50%

base on this 2 weapon
A weapon is attackspeed base and giving out raw dps as 966

B weapon is Crit on Damage and givng out dps 850

the damage stating is different is lower with the Weapon A while the Weapon B giving a huge amount of increase.

So I think Weapon damage win against any Attack speed base weapon. both weapon are magic instead of rare.

but the concept should be the same as any weapon damage based the damage from minimum to maximum from weapon B will do more damage compare to weapon A.


all the range of weapon there is only two type of weapon will giving such different of damage output, first is the axe second is the hammer. meaning 850 dps sword comparing 850 hammer the weapon based min/max damage out are different.
Any advise

This post has been edited by snake1983: Jun 14 2012, 05:41 PM

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