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bontotalan
post Jun 14 2012, 12:30 PM

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Currently running around

28k hp
40k dps with buff
440 res
5000 armor with buff
+2000 Life after kill [venom hydra bug healing play]

can finish siegebreaker run within 25-55min depending on the elites affix
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post Jun 14 2012, 12:35 PM

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+2000 Life after kill [venom hydra bug healing play]
how does this help you tahan? your dps also very high u stack int or aspd?
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post Jun 14 2012, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(ellimist @ Jun 14 2012, 12:07 PM)
For 2H weapons, you should aim for > 1k dps, if can go up to 1.2k or more.

I believe the "200-300" arcane dmg is suppose to be elemental, but most say elemental don't do jackshit currently, apart from cold.
After force weapon, about 51-52k. Mostly inflated by attack speed to be honest (my attack speed is about 2.9x)
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what weapon you using?

your seti s full ASPD set?
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QUOTE(joeong @ Jun 14 2012, 12:24 PM)
full int gear and 1050 dps weapon my dmg only 31k ( i have very little aspd cos its too expensive to buy asp gears) crit also low sad.gif crit dmg also low!
all also low ahaha. with rm100k left in my bank since they nerfed royal crypts farming spot! dont talk about rmah im not willing to spend real $ for items. usd and ridiculous pricing just makes it worse.

my life around 20k only. abit of a miracle to pass act 2 ahaha
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31k is not bad actually.

QUOTE(bontotalan @ Jun 14 2012, 12:30 PM)
Currently running around

28k hp
40k dps with buff
440 res
5000 armor with buff
+2000 Life after kill [venom hydra bug healing play]

can finish siegebreaker run within 25-55min depending on the elites affix
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Just googled and saw this, didn't know re-summoning counts as a kill LOL. Wah damn imba laugh.gif

For those wondering:

bontotalan with that weapon gets +6000 hp after re-summoning his hydra (2k per head). So if he's low on HP, just need to re-summon hydra gao gao haha.

K later tonight I need to look for a life after kill weapon also, can use it before blizz changes it brows.gif

This post has been edited by ellimist: Jun 14 2012, 12:50 PM
joeong
post Jun 14 2012, 12:49 PM

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OHHH means u summon a new hydra = kill your old hydra so u get hp?
nice tip guys will put in some $ for that gear before its nerfed
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post Jun 14 2012, 12:51 PM

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i wan to try act 2 solo too XD
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post Jun 14 2012, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(bontotalan @ Jun 14 2012, 12:30 PM)
Currently running around

28k hp
40k dps with buff
440 res
5000 armor with buff
+2000 Life after kill [venom hydra bug healing play]

can finish siegebreaker run within 25-55min depending on the elites affix
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what do you mean by +2000 Life after kill [venom hydra bug healing play] ? laugh.gif

ok, i know how ad, got ppl mention it above already laugh.gif

This post has been edited by xbbshampoo: Jun 14 2012, 12:52 PM
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post Jun 14 2012, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(ellimist @ Jun 14 2012, 12:46 PM)
31k is not bad actually.
Just googled and saw this, didn't know re-summoning counts as a kill LOL. Wah damn imba laugh.gif

For those wondering:

bontotalan with that weapon gets +6000 hp after re-summoning his hydra (2k per head). So if he's low on HP, just need to re-summon hydra gao gao haha.

K later tonight I need to look for a life after kill weapon also, can use it before blizz changes it brows.gif
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I just know this too. Gonna faster use it like mad >.<

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post Jun 14 2012, 12:53 PM

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WAH i thought only 2k lol didnt know its 6k!


Added on June 14, 2012, 1:38 pmthanks for the tips guys.
really love my lowyat bros. so much more helpful compared to those whiny kids in blizz forum lol.

This post has been edited by joeong: Jun 14 2012, 01:38 PM
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post Jun 14 2012, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(dishwasher @ Jun 14 2012, 11:12 AM)
That simply means it does the 'standard' Hydra's damage. I have to disagree about Lightning Hydra being better tho (as would the Wizard forums). Venom Hydra is simply out and out our best spell right now. Once the poison pools stack, hooo boy do the mobs die fast.
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alright, set, let's venom hydra tonight mwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! rclxm9.gif
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post Jun 14 2012, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(ellimist @ Jun 14 2012, 09:41 AM)
Some affixes are just retarded, like invul minions, would suggest to just skip those.

In regards to dmg, generally improving weapon is the easist way to increase dmg.

Roughly speaking:

((((Weapon Avg Dmg + Other avg dmg) * Int multiplier) * skill increases ) * Total attacks per second) * (1 + (crit chance * crit dmg).

If you don't use signature spell, attspeed may not increase ur real dmg though
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I made a little calculator out of this formula:
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Guess the value is still off..
is it because of the additional lightning damage on the weapon hmmm..

anyone wanna test it?

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QUOTE(fizyboy @ Jun 14 2012, 01:47 PM)
I made a little calculator out of this formula:
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Guess the value is still off..
is it because of the additional lightning damage on the weapon hmmm..

anyone wanna test it?
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very high dmg you got there laugh.gif
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QUOTE(fizyboy @ Jun 14 2012, 01:47 PM)
I made a little calculator out of this formula:
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Guess the value is still off..
is it because of the additional lightning damage on the weapon hmmm..

anyone wanna test it?
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Y you so hack bro laugh.gif

Hmm nampak macam quite off. Think it's the way the formula is applied for certain skill buffs, I remember ppl said got some weird application one. Lemme try to see if I can pen down a more detailed one
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try this?

http://rubensayshi.github.com/d3-ehp-calculator/#intro
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post Jun 14 2012, 02:02 PM

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Na, 43k is not high its average tongue.gif Anyhow its because I was farming Act 1 last night.
If I go Act 2 or 3 my DPS would be a lot lower to make room for max movement speed & VIT/RES gear.
but anway my dps n gears are shit n crappy biggrin.gif

And thats EHP Calculator, I don't think it calculates DPS.
There's another website that does, but I can't remember the URL.

@ellimist
There's this Wizard DPS Equivalence on Google Doc but when I enter my value there, its off also, or perhaps I enter it wrongly.
I'm lazy to understand all the stuff, maybe I'll spend more time during the weekend laugh.gif
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QUOTE(fizyboy @ Jun 14 2012, 02:02 PM)
@xbbshampoo
Na, 43k is not high its average tongue.gif Anyhow its because I was farming Act 1 last night.
If I go Act 2 or 3 my DPS would be a lot lower to make room for max movement speed & VIT/RES gear.
but anway my dps n gears are shit n crappy biggrin.gif

And thats EHP Calculator, I don't think it calculates DPS.
There's another website that does, but I can't remember the URL.

@ellimist
There's this Wizard DPS Equivalence on Google Doc but when I enter my value there, its off also, or perhaps I enter it wrongly.
I'm lazy to understand all the stuff, maybe I'll spend more time during the weekend  laugh.gif
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K know why dy, magic weapon is for some very weird reason applied twice (15% is applied to the skill modifier, although skill modifier already inclues the 15%):
=(((((Weapon Avg Dmg+ Other Avg Dmg [eg offhand])*Int multiplier)*((((1+Glass Cannon %)+Magic Weapon%)+Sparkflint %)*Magic Weapon% again [i.e. * 1.15])*Total attacks per second)*(1+(Crit Chance*Crit Dmg)))

Edit: Brackets are messy. Yeah I base my understanding on that calculator btw, last I checked I get within 5-10dps margin of error

And wah so many set of gears so jelly biggrin.gif

This post has been edited by ellimist: Jun 14 2012, 02:17 PM
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QUOTE(fizyboy @ Jun 14 2012, 02:02 PM)
@xbbshampoo
Na, 43k is not high its average tongue.gif Anyhow its because I was farming Act 1 last night.
If I go Act 2 or 3 my DPS would be a lot lower to make room for max movement speed & VIT/RES gear.
but anway my dps n gears are shit n crappy biggrin.gif

And thats EHP Calculator, I don't think it calculates DPS.
There's another website that does, but I can't remember the URL.

@ellimist
There's this Wizard DPS Equivalence on Google Doc but when I enter my value there, its off also, or perhaps I enter it wrongly.
I'm lazy to understand all the stuff, maybe I'll spend more time during the weekend  laugh.gif
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haha, sorry for the wrong link bro.

but your dps is kinda higher than me, i max can accumulate 15k only, after buff cry.gif

using 650++ atk crossbow

in addition, you can head over to this link to improve your app's algorithm http://blackrabbit2999.blogspot.com/2012/0...lete-guide.html

but so far they haven't updated a dps calculation yet hmm.gif

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post Jun 14 2012, 02:26 PM

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In my example before I did not use Sparkflint, only Force Weapon & Glass Canon so is the 30% skill increase value in character sheet correct?
I'll try to debug more when I have time but for now feel free to download D3WizDpsCalc and try it!

My code goes something like this:
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post Jun 14 2012, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(fizyboy @ Jun 14 2012, 02:26 PM)
In my example before I did not use Sparkflint, only Force Weapon & Glass Canon so is the 30% skill increase value in character sheet correct?
I'll try to debug more when I have time but for now feel free to download D3WizDpsCalc and try it!

My code goes something like this:
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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I believe that's why you kenot tie, the 30% tu salah. Or rather that should be how it is, but it seems like magic weapon applied twice. Instead it'll be 1.3 * 1.15 (magic weapon reapplied lolz) = 1.495. You quickly plug that in tgk betul tak laugh.gif

Ok will download your calculator n give feedback smile.gif
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post Jun 14 2012, 03:10 PM

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dear fellow wiz,

me lil' bro is in dilemma and i wish to help him in some way, so i post here and seek your guidances

he plays the wiz class and recently just gotten his way to infernal mode. i watched him played this morning when he met up with elites. he blows few cds to get his buttocks off but diamond skin only withstand 2 whacks and frost nova lasted for measy 1.5 secs before the mobs started to wtfpwn him then he looked at me and said, 'see? i think ur monk would face more gruelsome deaths later BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!'

other than the normal 'restart when u see elites', 'get betta gear u fagget!!!', 'lol he sux tell him to quit the game!!!' or 'i'm 12 what is elite??', any kind soul sould like to share their experiences on how to deal with pack of elites?

thx in advance smile.gif

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