Frankly, DON'T BUY SAGA! Below I list down DISadvantages, which is 10 things I hate about the SAGA FLX:

1) Small cockpit, rear seat can only fit in a medium size 2 door fridge.Moving house not convenient.

2) When u open the boot, u will realize it can only stuck in 50 pieces of durians, that equal to 4 jumbo size luggage. 5 person in the car, only 4 luggage?! What a joke!

3) Perdana V6 2.0 can generate 147hp, this car 1.3 ady 94hp!how am I suppose to modify engine?!

4) No prrastic engine cover, how to collet dust?!

5) The lowest cost among the same category, can easily payoff installment within 5 years, what the hell am I suppose to do with the extra money after that?

6) Sparepart too cheap compare to same category H brand & T brand

7) U mentioned u normally drive within speed limit, this car can easily hit 180! Definitely not your cup of tea!

8) Life time warranty on powah windoe?! Sure got lotsa problem ler, if no problem warranty do what?!

9) CVT gearbox alone costs 20k, this whole car selling below 50k. Meaning the rest of the cars is made out of junk! T & H brand make more sense, coz they're selling 80k.

10) Lotus engineering car is for F1 geh! Not for streets car! Handling so good do what? Now I can't hear tire screeching sound when I corner 80kmh at Jln Sultan Ismail exit from Jln Kuching. Don't feel fast anymore. BLM already like this, sure FLX even worse. 120kmh corner also dunno can feel the car loose traction or not!

I got this problem recently, the sound I think comes from the rear drum brake whereby every time when I release the pedal brake slowwwlllyyyyy..the sound grukkk grekkkkkk will be very obvious. The sound can be heard even louder during morning when the car just started to move from standstill.

May I know how to solve this issue? Is it drum brake spoiled d?

RM180 for the side, depend on the material used. Expect to be done within an hour or two.

space - plenty

air cond - on hot sunny day, only fan speed 2 is sufficient to cool the entire cabin.

wind sound - a bit high when approaching 80-90kmh, but there's a cheap solution to this problem.

I will not guarantee you getting the same, problematic free (mechanical wise) car like me but I can say is usually proton problems are all related to tiny mini stuff, like my horn switch its burnt for the second time now.

i think u making ppl to regret buying saga~!

go COE, they will change new wan for you if not mistaken, however kindly wait dares answer this for u as he had encounter few times already~!

Oh, BTW, I accidentally made a wide corner at KESAS before COSE at 160kmh today.

Magic part is, it doesn't twitch, it doesnt fight back. It just graciously complete the corner and by the time I reached the corner exit, i'm already doing 165kmh.

No spoil la.u guys being spoilt by continental car ady la. Its normal to have "gruk,grek" sound when release/engage brake pedal. It means your brake cylinder is pulling back the brake shoes, or the brake shoe is attaching the drum hub surface. You don't hear that often on other cars because most cars soundproof very well(GAGA not included) next time get the mechanic to open your brake hub, ask him blow dust, then u get to know how it works. It pushes the brake shoes out when u press the brake pedal, when u release, the brake cylinder will pull back the brake shoe, that's the "gruk,grek" sound you hear. What I worry is dares's "tak,tak,tak" sound. No reply from my magician yet, guess he oso dunno. Coz all cars he mod also disable ABS geh

the drum brake sound is not there when I first drove the car (Saga FL) wo..now more than 1 year old, the sound is getting louder, I feel like the drum pad is too dry that causes the surface to have those sound when I release the pedal brake.

I understand from your explanation but why the brake cylinder does not produce such noise when it is new ? it is time to change? due to wear and tear?

Sent to COE meaning I need to leave my car there for like half a day >< need to schedule my time liao. Can I sent my car for similar inspection to ..lets say Proton Edar Puchong SC ? It is FOC ?

Thanks in advance

Bro davidke20 is (in reality) praising Saga like no one has ever done arnd here!!
In his own peculiar (seemingly negative only) way!!
Dun take the meaning juz on face value but stop to think a lil bit "twisted" kinda way...

This post has been edited by zeone: Apr 18 2012, 06:16 PM

Good one.

I am still surprise how well my car behaves under conditions that is normally outside my comfort zone.




Even though i drive like a pusseh

In b4 ingatlah yang tersayang.

1) Small cockpit, rear seat can only fit in a medium size 2 door fridge.Moving house not convenient.
Most same price ranged car cant even fit a 1 door small fridge

2) When u open the boot, u will realize it can only stuck in 50 pieces of durians, that equal to 4 jumbo size luggage. 5 person in the car, only 4 luggage?! What a joke!
If you go for a road trip, you pack 1 jumbo luggage and your wifu also pack 1 jumbo luggage? Or both of you share 1 normal large luggage for a 3 days trip? 4 jumbo luggage is good for 8 persons 1 week trip. 50 durians can match with what a 3 tonnes lorry road side durian stall ady.

3) Perdana V6 2.0 can generate 147hp, this car 1.3 ady 94hp!how am I suppose to modify engine?!
Besides of Honda B16 VTAC, Mits 4G93 MIVAC having 1litre>100hp, basically most volume production cars having 1litre/=50hp to reduce emission. Plotong Campur is actually meeting the emission standard with smaller engine capacity + power to weight efficiency.

4) No prrastic engine cover, how to collet dust?!
Unless you like to collect dust

5) The lowest cost among the same category, can easily payoff installment within 5 years, what the hell am I suppose to do with the extra money after that?
Fine, go for 9 years loan then. Still, buying a FLX will pay much cheaper monthly installment compare to a Vias. Better think of a way to spend the extra money. DONT BUY FLX!!!

6) Sparepart too cheap compare to same category H brand & T brand
IAFM whole intake system include labour RM450?! VIAS 5AFE intake system alone RM1.2k(not include labour)

7) U mentioned u normally drive within speed limit, this car can easily hit 180! Definitely not your cup of tea!
Seriously... a little too powerful

8) Life time warranty on powah windoe?! Sure got lotsa problem ler, if no problem warranty do what?!
What to worry if its life time warranty? Do you plan to use this car for the next 59 years?! Even you do, you go back SC and proudly ask them to change your powah windoe after 58 years, I'd be dead wood pay the f*cking mechanic a huge tip for being doing his job for the past 57 years!

9) CVT gearbox alone costs 20k, this whole car selling below 50k. Meaning the rest of the cars is made out of junk! T & H brand make more sense, coz they're selling 80k.
Then go buy a 4AT

10) Lotus engineering car is for F1 geh! Not for streets car! Handling so good do what? Now I can't hear tire screeching sound when I corner 80kmh at Jln Sultan Ismail exit from Jln Kuching. Don't feel fast anymore. BLM already like this, sure FLX even worse. 120kmh corner also dunno can feel the car loose traction or not!
Because my ISWAGA screech its tire when I'm doing 60kmh corner, it makes me feel fast(instead of real fast). My KE20 can drift by the speed of 40kmh, so it does makes me FEEL fast.

The brake pad was soft initially, now its harden after a year. If it's within warranty, go komplen Plotong so they change you a new set. After sometime, it will come back again. Go back komplen again. Keep komplening until you finish your warranty. After that when you start forking out money from your pocket, then you'll decide to get use to the sound instead of changing brake pad every month All my drum brake cars rear brake pad can easily last 1.5 years to 2 years(include time to time go tauke at Genting) I'm not saying go back warranty is wrong, I just hope this doesn't bother you in the future(after the warranty), just get real and accept the fact that drum brake will have this problem.

Ekekeke... dude your antenna quite good. You use aircon cabin filter rite? That's why la, your brain is as clean as I am! Plotong rocks! Aircon cabin filter rocks!

i know wat his mean....i mean is some/may other ppl cant understand wat is he talking about...lol^^

but except No. 4 ....collecting dust...haha^^

This post has been edited by r3apers: Apr 18 2012, 08:45 PM

Thanks for the info..
The extra hundred bucks will surely come in handy as long as didnt have major issue.
I suppose I could live with drumbrake sound...

Yea...buying a car also depends on luck sometimes...but if the odds of getting a problematic car is high...i would rather spend more to have a car with less risk.
Although i would like to believe that plotong car now getting better and have better odds than before.


Owh yaa...didnt really notice that until you point that out... the aircond is really cool when Im in my friend BLM

If decide to buy FLX, ill sure gonna ask you for the solution on the wind sound



Wow...nice info

hmm...dont understand no.4?
But about no.8 ...If they give lifetime warranty because the quality very good is better than lifetime warranty because the quality soo poor.....id rather not going back and forth to fix the power window.

Anyway....great list there ...it sure helps a lot

Btw...what is the interest rate for local car?

thn whn go make booking?

wind sound isn't the main concern when you get the car.
Its the tyre and tarmac roar that gets on my nerves. But now the problem is 60% eliminated

no.4- the FLX doesn't come with an engine cover. Not much of a problem actually, not like you will lose 10hp without t the engine cover. Ignore that.

no.8- if you use common sense, will a business give such long warranty period if the thing is known to be defective? Proton is giving lifetime warranty for its power window as a bid to further assure the buyers that the famous power window issue will not happen. BTW< lifetime warranty means only 10 years because 10 years is the lifetime of a car.

I didn't know that drum brake will have this common issue because I am comparing it with my 15 years old iswara which till now never encounter such sound from the rear tyre.

since a normal brake pad will last around 1.5years to 2, is there any branded brake pad which does not cause this kind of brake sound?

Just trying to find a solution to resolve this minor problem, if nothing can be done then I will just change the brake pad every 1 ~ 2 years ba because it kinda annoyed me

after warranty change tu disc brake la...

Paiseh nia, Bro...

Guess me hv my ole teachers 2thk4 training how 2use my grey matter...
Being spoonfed was not the norm...understandin wat needs 2b understood in watever way it was presented 2us WAS the norm!!

And yup, yu're probably correct that the filtered cleaner cabin air cld hv contributed 2a not too polluted layer of grey matter!! Haha!

Hv a great evening, Bro!!

ps. Hv enjoyed reading yr posts...

haha...not yet...still looking around...but FLX sure looks promising

It seems the sound issue got solutions... NICE!!!
no.4- No cover engine....not really important to me also i guess
no.8- Yea...that sounds better... Good to know if the window issue is resolved.

However my main concern is the reliability... means as long the car can run with ease without major problem and serve its purpose for at least 2~3 years with no headache for going back and forth to workshop....then FLX got my vote ...I also just plan to use it for 5 years then sell it off.


Anyone know the interest rate now for local car?

for interest rate ,

averaga for saga 3.2%, but also hav 2.8%..if u r lucky u will get 2.7%...

Guess what, I'm currently driving a 16 years old ISWAGA also. Let me explain why you heard NOTHING from your ISWAGA drumbrake! Because your father's old school mechanic already tighten the brake bank range(if you notice you pull less handbrake to stop your ISWAGA compare to your FL). There is a series of gears at the opposite site of your drumbrake hub, to adjust the brake bank distance. To adjust the brake shoe closer to the brake hub can MINIMIZE such "grek/gruk" sound. How to check whether your drum shoe have enough free space... well... sorry only olskool knowledge available(consider my age and driving/fixing/racing/fishing experience). Jack up your car, release your hand brake and spin your wheels with bear hand. If you feel no resistance besides of the tire weight, meaning your brake shoes are totally off the hub, your wheel will continue spinning for a very long time until the momentum gone. Normally an old school mechanic will adjust the brake until you spin it, only it move. If you take stop spinning, it will stop in a shortwhile, normally within 1 round cycle(2 round is GOOD, but seldom mechanic spend so much time to adjust until so accurate for you). Get what I mean so far?

Again, another olskol stuff to try out. Now, get your girlfriend(*can be anyone la, but will look embarrassing) to bring a mob, go to your rim and start poking the hub whilst you're INSIDE the car with all windows closed. You'll probably hear muffled metal pinging OUTSIDE the vehicle. But if you do the same thing to your BLM/FL/FLX, it felt like somebody is using a metal stick smashing your car! So, I guess now you have pretty much idea on how tough ISWAGA is.

You may try to get somebody to slam your brake whilst you're outside at the backwheel listen to the drum beat, again I doubt you can hear much from your ISWAGA because the brakepad already lekat at the drum. So, I guess its very safe to said(if we're talking about the same sound created by the same stuff), the brake engage/release sound is very normal.

Hope this help

p/s: 1 more thing, you dont hear it much in the afternoon because the brake pad already heated up