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mat79
post Apr 7 2012, 07:10 PM

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off topic, also sharing thought. After reading all the reviews on preve by media, i think that i notice, all saying the iafm+ cvt variant really loud in term of engine sound.

If u follow closely, they mentioned it loud when pedal to metal@at 5k rpm. Not only the engine sound but cvt whining also contribute to that.

The question is, do u need to pedal to metal to overtake driving cvt or even driving uphill or driving up to speed 140-160kmh?

The answer that i gain from my source, is no. Malaysian still new with cvt gbox even its already been around long time ago.

Driving a cvt is not the same as driving twin clutch, conv at n manual where to extract all the power and torque by pedal to metal.

By pedal to metal cvt, the full cvt mode change to 'slow sat mode' where u can see the rev counter climbing slowly to redline(not too slow, it like u r driving only 1 speed gbox, u can see the rev climbing), while in full cvt, the rev can jump to any rpm, depend on input from throttle.

When it reach highest rev, it will static, n of course, u will hear the sound really loud, like driving manual, first gear, rev to redline n never change to next gear.

Pedal to metal only apply in cvt if u need to reach its top most speed(km/h) which is rarely unless u want to test up what is the top speed of ur car or just suka suka.

For example, those who are driving iafm+ cvt, only need to rev around 2k rpm and below for town driving, n 2.5k-3k rpm highway driving, depend on speed u want to reach. If only u want to overtake@needed all the torque available, just pedal up to 4k rpm where the max torque available in engine. Max 85% of throttle input is needed coz beyond 85%,its enter the slow sat mode.

So, in daily or normal driving, balik kampung driving, conquer hilly route, climbing high places n etc,no need to rev beyond 4k rpm. Need better power, just slotted to L mode, it rev 20% higher than normal D mode, n throttle will be crispier n engine braking will be apparent.

Then, if u drive cvt like what it supposed to, then, the engine sound wont be bugging u too much.

Even if u want to gauge the century sprint timing, no need pedal to metal. Just rev up to 4k rpm only coz all torque is there. If u want to get faster timing, slot to L, then rev 4k rpm. While the others keep pedal to metal to reach century sprint n stress the engine to get there(means other 1.6 na with conv auto@manual), u just relaxing cruising at 4k without any jerk due to gear shifting.

Erm, it seems they really used 90kmh control env data for fc in cvt iafm+1.6,rather than target fc @90kmh as in flx 1.3. Coz the real data for flx 1.3 iafm+ cvt is 5.65 L/100km@90kmh, but they publish 6 L/100km based on target fc@90kmh. While mixed fc around 7.68L+-/100km

So, i think combine fc for iafm+1.6 cvt is around 8L+-/100km.

For cfe cvt, no need to comment coz all torque available at 2k rpm, n at 1.5k rpm, already has better torque than iafm+. Just my advice for cfe cvt owners,, try to control ur right foot, dont drive reaching 2k rpm in town driving if u want to extract to most fc for cfe.
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post Apr 7 2012, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Apr 7 2012, 07:07 PM)
well then SA might not get the comm from loan as the dealership will either take all or give some to SA.

i read somewhere, Edar SA reluctant to give goodies to buyer, unless they take from their own comm.

dealership still got some leverage at least.



Added on April 7, 2012, 7:09 pm

yup, and 1% rate difference may cost you from 3k and above depends on yrs of loan.
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You are right... That is why Edar can't give higher discount compare to dealership like us.
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post Apr 7 2012, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(FenomX @ Apr 7 2012, 05:55 PM)
Contact Victor87.
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post Apr 7 2012, 07:14 PM

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Pls pm me for those who wanna book this beauty=) I try to get best deal for u all! Group buy Lai lai!
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post Apr 7 2012, 07:16 PM

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and for stopping distance, why preve out brake all its benchmark competitors, look at preve disc size front n rear, it 15 inch disc, n check the others in b@c segments. Try to compare the size, evem for focus
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post Apr 7 2012, 07:28 PM

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Proton Edar and dealership not the same ?
dealership is 2nd hand car seller?



QUOTE(victor87 @ Apr 7 2012, 07:10 PM)
You are right... That is why Edar can't give higher discount compare to dealership like us.
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post Apr 7 2012, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(dopp @ Apr 7 2012, 07:28 PM)
Proton Edar and dealership not the same ?
dealership is 2nd hand car seller?
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Proton Edar has their own dealer, their call it Edar branch.
While dealership is still using Proton-Edar signboard, selling Proton cars, but just not under Proton Edar Sdn Bhd.
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post Apr 7 2012, 07:58 PM

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Super Gd news! My SA can offer cash rebate up to rm 250 on tops of freebies such as steering lock, smart tag, full tank=) pm me!!
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post Apr 7 2012, 08:01 PM

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mat. what is the difference in long distance driving experience between premium and executive model? ill be doing long distance driving the most.

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post Apr 7 2012, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(juztborn @ Apr 7 2012, 07:58 PM)
Super Gd news! My SA can offer cash rebate up to rm 250 on tops of freebies such as steering lock, smart tag, full tank=) pm me!!
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how many years loan n interest rate?
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post Apr 7 2012, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(JarodLeong @ Apr 7 2012, 08:17 PM)
how many years loan n interest rate?
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As what my SA told me, can get around 2.78%..
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QUOTE(sp3d2 @ Apr 7 2012, 08:01 PM)
mat. what is the difference in long distance driving experience between premium and executive model? ill be doing long distance driving the most.
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Obviously acceleration and speed up exp. For long distance, it would be more comfortable to drive with fast car one.

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post Apr 7 2012, 08:43 PM

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Can order http://www.lelong.com.my/hks-sqv-3-super-s...7-01-Sale-I.htm siap siap ?
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post Apr 7 2012, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(dopp @ Apr 7 2012, 08:43 PM)
what is tat?sori noob question..lazy search oso
btw,1st thing to do when i get my car -- install voltage stabiliser & grounding cble..

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QUOTE(eistern @ Apr 7 2012, 09:03 PM)
what is tat?sori noob question..lazy search oso
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This is for blow off your turbo. When turbo activated, it suck in more air and this thing will blow off the extra air thus, you will heard the "piuhh...piuhhhh" when you release the pedal of acceleration.

correct me if i'm wrong.
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post Apr 7 2012, 09:10 PM

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That things work or not?

QUOTE(eistern @ Apr 7 2012, 09:03 PM)
what is tat?sori noob question..lazy search oso
btw,1st thing to do when i get my car -- install voltage stabiliser & grounding cble..
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post Apr 7 2012, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(mat79 @ Apr 7 2012, 07:10 PM)
off topic, also sharing thought. After reading all the reviews on preve by media, i think that i notice, all saying the iafm+ cvt variant really loud in term of engine sound.

If u follow closely, they mentioned it loud when pedal to metal@at 5k rpm. Not only the engine sound but cvt whining also contribute to that.

The question is, do u need to pedal to metal to overtake driving cvt or even driving uphill or driving up to speed 140-160kmh?

The answer that i gain from my source, is no. Malaysian still new with cvt gbox even its already been around long time ago.

Driving a cvt is not the same as driving twin clutch, conv at n manual where to extract all the power and torque by pedal to metal.

By pedal to metal cvt, the full cvt mode change to 'slow sat mode' where u can see the rev counter climbing slowly to redline(not too slow, it like u r driving only 1 speed gbox, u can see the rev climbing), while in full cvt, the rev can jump to any rpm, depend on input from throttle.

When it reach highest rev, it will static, n of course, u will hear the sound really loud, like driving manual, first gear, rev to redline n never change to next gear.

Pedal to metal only apply in cvt if u need to reach its top most speed(km/h) which is rarely unless u want to test up what is the top speed of ur car or just suka suka.

For example, those who are driving iafm+ cvt, only need to rev around 2k rpm and below for town driving, n 2.5k-3k rpm highway driving, depend on speed u want to reach. If only u want to overtake@needed all the torque available, just pedal up to 4k rpm where the max torque available in engine. Max 85% of throttle input is needed coz beyond 85%,its enter the slow sat mode.

So, in daily or normal driving, balik kampung driving, conquer hilly route, climbing high places n etc,no need to rev beyond 4k rpm. Need better power, just slotted to L mode, it rev 20% higher than normal D mode, n throttle will be crispier n engine braking will be apparent.

Then, if u drive cvt like what it supposed to, then, the engine sound wont be bugging u too much.

Even if u want to gauge the century sprint timing, no need pedal to metal. Just rev up to 4k rpm only coz all torque is there. If u want to get faster timing, slot to L, then rev 4k rpm. While the others keep pedal to metal to reach century sprint n stress the engine to get there(means other 1.6 na with conv auto@manual), u just relaxing cruising at 4k without any jerk due to gear shifting.

Erm, it seems they really used 90kmh control env data for fc in cvt iafm+1.6,rather than target fc @90kmh as in flx 1.3. Coz the real data for flx 1.3 iafm+ cvt is 5.65 L/100km@90kmh, but they publish 6 L/100km based on target fc@90kmh. While mixed fc around 7.68L+-/100km

So, i think combine fc for iafm+1.6 cvt is around 8L+-/100km.

For cfe cvt, no need to comment coz all torque available at 2k rpm, n at 1.5k rpm, already has better torque than iafm+. Just my advice for cfe cvt owners,, try to control ur right foot, dont drive reaching 2k rpm in town driving if u want to extract to most fc for cfe.
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will need some time to adjust..

QUOTE(FenomX @ Apr 7 2012, 09:05 PM)
This is for blow off your turbo. When turbo activated, it suck in more air and this thing will blow off the extra air thus, you will heard the "piuhh...piuhhhh" when you release the pedal of acceleration.

correct me if i'm wrong.
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so the effect will be?

for savvy,after using voltage stabiliser can see the headlight no more became dim abit when start aircond..tat's wat i notice la

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cvt after 120kmh u will start to press deeper..cause u know it starts to slowly catching up speed..which results in high rpm during high speed..only 0-120kmh is fast..i say based on insight and inspira 2.0..

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Overtaking without pedal to metal is just a joke. When u don't pedal to metal, ECU doesn't know your urgency to increase speed. How to overtake? It will be very dangerous. Overtaking at 4k rpm ? Pls tell me is a joke. What i mean here is that all this ECU car need to know your intention (input) to react to it (output). If only half throttle, speed will climb slowly. Full throttle will obviously be more effective than half throttle in this case. Common sense, no matter it's cvt, dsg, torque converter gbox, or a manual.
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post Apr 7 2012, 09:41 PM

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I'll buy this after get a good selling price for my city and find an SA that will give me good deal too
Hope penang can get 2.78%

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