off topic, also sharing thought. After reading all the reviews on preve by media, i think that i notice, all saying the iafm+ cvt variant really loud in term of engine sound.

If u follow closely, they mentioned it loud when pedal to metal@at 5k rpm. Not only the engine sound but cvt whining also contribute to that.

The question is, do u need to pedal to metal to overtake driving cvt or even driving uphill or driving up to speed 140-160kmh?

The answer that i gain from my source, is no. Malaysian still new with cvt gbox even its already been around long time ago.

Driving a cvt is not the same as driving twin clutch, conv at n manual where to extract all the power and torque by pedal to metal.

By pedal to metal cvt, the full cvt mode change to 'slow sat mode' where u can see the rev counter climbing slowly to redline(not too slow, it like u r driving only 1 speed gbox, u can see the rev climbing), while in full cvt, the rev can jump to any rpm, depend on input from throttle.

When it reach highest rev, it will static, n of course, u will hear the sound really loud, like driving manual, first gear, rev to redline n never change to next gear.

Pedal to metal only apply in cvt if u need to reach its top most speed(km/h) which is rarely unless u want to test up what is the top speed of ur car or just suka suka.

For example, those who are driving iafm+ cvt, only need to rev around 2k rpm and below for town driving, n 2.5k-3k rpm highway driving, depend on speed u want to reach. If only u want to overtake@needed all the torque available, just pedal up to 4k rpm where the max torque available in engine. Max 85% of throttle input is needed coz beyond 85%,its enter the slow sat mode.

So, in daily or normal driving, balik kampung driving, conquer hilly route, climbing high places n etc,no need to rev beyond 4k rpm. Need better power, just slotted to L mode, it rev 20% higher than normal D mode, n throttle will be crispier n engine braking will be apparent.

Then, if u drive cvt like what it supposed to, then, the engine sound wont be bugging u too much.

Even if u want to gauge the century sprint timing, no need pedal to metal. Just rev up to 4k rpm only coz all torque is there. If u want to get faster timing, slot to L, then rev 4k rpm. While the others keep pedal to metal to reach century sprint n stress the engine to get there(means other 1.6 na with conv auto@manual), u just relaxing cruising at 4k without any jerk due to gear shifting.

Erm, it seems they really used 90kmh control env data for fc in cvt iafm+1.6,rather than target fc @90kmh as in flx 1.3. Coz the real data for flx 1.3 iafm+ cvt is 5.65 L/100km@90kmh, but they publish 6 L/100km based on target fc@90kmh. While mixed fc around 7.68L+-/100km

So, i think combine fc for iafm+1.6 cvt is around 8L+-/100km.

For cfe cvt, no need to comment coz all torque available at 2k rpm, n at 1.5k rpm, already has better torque than iafm+. Just my advice for cfe cvt owners,, try to control ur right foot, dont drive reaching 2k rpm in town driving if u want to extract to most fc for cfe.

and for stopping distance, why preve out brake all its benchmark competitors, look at preve disc size front n rear, it 15 inch disc, n check the others in b@c segments. Try to compare the size, evem for focus

ha..ha.. Your friends driving turbo with cvt ??? If u read closely, all above is for na version of cvt.

For turbo, yup, as long as its reach 2k-4k rpm, it doesnt matter, only depend on what speed u want to reach. If want to reach 100kmh@century sprint, yup just press at 2k-2.3k rpm is just enough to gauge the century sprint coz torque us max, n if not mistaken, cfecvt@2k rpm=96kmh+- while 2.3krpm=110kmh+-. Only cfe manual, then pedal to metal rules apply, but since the torque is flat from 2k-4k rpm, to gauge century sprint, just need to rev up to 4k rpm, then shift coz even after shifting rpm is drop, but it still above 2k rpm which all maximum torque is available. Unless for na@ old type turbo, dont have flat torque, pedal to metal is the best method.

Yup, it is 15 inch disc. Knp, xpercaya ke :-). Rim is 16 inch.

yup, cfe just an old junk with old tech. Mivec, vtec n vvti are really uptodate engine. Thats why its so lame for vw when lancer launch with 4b11 with mivec technology, vw still using outdated ea113 without incorporate variable valve tech where the japs n koreans been using them for centurty(i think :-),he..he..), n recently ea888 has that, but then its too late, the japs already come out with valvematic. Direct injection is old tech, turbo also old. Only vtec, vvti, mivec@valvematic are the uptodate n latest tech :-).

Couple with old easyu 32 bit torque based ecu, where all japs n koreans been using in their cars for century. And using old cvt tech, where others are using torque converter based, dry clutch based, this punch using wet clucth based which is outdated. Same as old getrag manual gearbox, better stick to mitsu who is the maestro creating mivec for engine, so, gearbox must be full of awesomeness too.

Dun worry, prtn wont surpass them. Keep using the updated tech. No need to look at old junk euro 5 engine :-). Its nothing.

wow, 70k car needs to fully utilize all rpm, then how about ,merc s class, bmw 7 series, did the owners pedal to metal@ its chauffeur pedal it to metal everytime the boss inside, coz he pay a freaking 700k. :-).

This is cvt, thats why many still dont understand how to drive it by thinking pedal to metal is the best way to achieve speed like 140kmh. While those in 2.0 na manual and conv auto busy pedal to metal to achieve 140kmh in drag, in cfe,just press 3k rpm, u r already there. No pedal to metal, to stress the engine, really comfortable, where others need to bear the metal clunking sound at redline coz they are paying more than 140k, so need to explore all the rpms. By paying 70k which is nearly half of it, so, need only to explore half of rpms available coz if want the all rpms, get the expensive one.

Ops forget, u also have 90k car that u can explore all the rpms. So, no need to pay more.

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Added on April 8, 2012, 5:00 pmnot dsz lor. Im nobody. Erm, dont worry,u can explore all rpms in cfe by flicking the pedal. 7 speed to play, then explore.

This post has been edited by mat79: Apr 8 2012, 05:00 PM

inspira stoping distance, i believe its around 43m +-, evo 10 around 36m +-,cannot get the info from informer coz they dont want to compare lor, nanti mitsu marah.

But for me,its good enough already for inspira.

erm, about thp 6 speed auto in pug 308, mixed driving is 7.9L/100km, for 100% city driving is 11.4L/100km. While cfe preve 8.2L/100km for mix driving. Yup, less than thp auto by 0.3L/100km, if change to km/L, thp auto = 12.7km/L, cfe cvt = 12.2km/L. Meaning cfe fc is more by 0.5km for every liter. Meaning that for 50 liter amount of fuel, thp auto will go more around 25km than cfe cvt @ the thp save u rm3.80 per 50 L. If u used 50L per week, means that u r paying rm15.20 permonth more in fuel in cfe preve.how much monthly commitment if buying thp auto pug?

Oh, forget to mentioned if 50L of pug u can drive around 635km, n cfe preve 610km. If u cover that distance perweek or sometimes less or more. Before asking whether preve can go for 610km for 50L, ask the same question to pug owner thp auto, whether they can reach 635km for 50L mixed driving, not 100 hway.

Just adding a bit on ur statement with diff perspective on fc. Hope u dont get angry with me adding some thought to ur comment. Not disagreement, just add.

thats good, ur gf drive thp 308 auto, fast n furious. Thats around the mixed mode. So, good for u. U can swap car with ur gf sometimes, nice drive in 308 thp,even for auto. Not to mentioned squishy mushy dash.

while fc depend on right foot, the correct way of driving also influence ur fc. If u drive cvt like normal auto
, maybe u end up bad fc. If u take advantage of cvt characteristics, then, maybe u end up for better fc.

Like 4g18 in waja, the torque max at 2700rpm, town driving has better torque than campro engine,while hitting the dark spot on campro,really causing it having bad fc.

Not saying cfe @ iafm+ the best, but combo with cvt n 32bit torque based ecu, it is currently the best for prtn interm of balancing out power n fc.

Its main focus is more smooth power delivery rather than outright power. Efficient driving not only save fc, but give u the right power. In mixed mode, iafm+ 1.3 in saga may give u around 7.6+-L/100km n iafm+ 1.6 just around 8+-L/100km, depend on how u driving it. While preve being heavier, iafm+ just returning nearly the same as cfe in mix mode, but not really that much compare to flx se. That is the wonder of cvt, its tcu adapts itself according to weight, meaning the ratio, that being advantage of any cvt. Thats why the century sprint is not much differ that flx se.

If using old 4at,then it will be bad. Thats why in prius or even insight, they have eco mode driving aid, so that u can achieve better fc by controlling ur throttle. Its a good add if prtn add in its line coz its aid us to be coutious in driving,while saving fc n save the environment too.

gud one dares, ha..ha.. :-)

under afta, same tax applied for asean makes. If local kena 85%, others also the same, even cbu from asean. Only cbu from non asean has 30% tax diff n ckd from non asean has 10% more. We are already in afta.

he...he...beauty is subjective. Everybody i think has the right to say a word , ngeee...but the things that make me smiling is when someone mentioned why not used outsourced design from german or italy...

The car, majorly design by Italdesign(italian design house), externally n internally(exterior n interior) n being consult on engineering, material used n etc by Magna steyr.(who has consult many big co such as beemer, aston martin, fiat, volvo n etc).

If want outsourced, already outsourced from one of the best in the world, just check about who is Italdesign n Magna steyr.

So, i think, in the end, none of them could do the best for prtn in malaysian eyes coz its a prtn by the way. Prtn always be prtn rite. Still remember when indonesia n thailand journo mentioned, material used in exora is on par as in japan n korean makes, it is the same as in toyota prius quality, but then in our eyes, it is cheapo like rubbish bins kinda plastics. Same as in uk when they say exora dash is quite modern design, where as we here seen it as antique, stone age design.

Nevermind, i think they(prtn) accept it, all the comments positively.

If vios dash is better than preve... :-).. :-).... :-), then walter da silva, chriss bangle or peter schreyer, can do nothing if that the case...better just do it internally, safe cost,safe time...atleast the right deparment will be bash, rather than taking the blame for somebody's work.

Happy saturday everyone....

i wonder why suddenly honda introduce their new cvt to replace all famous 5 at, hermmmmm...n actually toyota too, i wonder why...

Yup, preve interior made of plastic, soft n hard, tomorrow, try to pinch to spot which one, n since preve is soo plasticky, the others all ready covered by cowhide all over.

So lame n dated preve, using soft plastic with texture at touch point(check door armrest located with pwrwindow switch), hard cheap plastic that when u push, its sink like playwood virtually, not physically,cheapo button n switches that have rubbery feel, not lke expensive waja button n when push, feel empty, really elegance.

Cheapo tyres that made in indonesia that hesitate to squek when push, really bad, changing with eagle f1 assymetric wont change anything coz that is how bad is prtn ride n handling, soft on the hard spot n hard on the soft spot, he...he...

Wow, rapid look good on tv, gud job on cvt calibration mate, tgku azizan, master of the dark art, sifu of the prince...suppose let him give a piece of his art to public, but people wont understand, atleast jean alesi understand what tgku azizan talking about :-).

Drive it, then u know u believe or not, n no need to believe at all. N i keep wondering why not prtn covering all dash n door panel with cowhide, its a 72k car, without no tax virtually, its is as expensive as jetta, 3 series n c class,look at others, there are no plastic used n no gap at all virtually, not physically on the joint part.

:-)

hem, maybe need to bring some tape measurement to measure the interior width n legroom.

Its like exora, 3rd row space interm of legroom is nearly the same as 2nd row in avanza, but avanza feels roomier. Try to measure, shall we :-), hopefully can solve the equation.

ah,just remember, people say why put shiny2 part at dash, why not matte n something not shiny. So, maybe iafm+ version versus cfe version, is it shiny part better or not shiny?

The silver part on dash n centre console, i think its common, elantra has it too, new focus 2012 use it, new camry oso use it. By the way, look at focus 2012 a/c switches.

Just wandering when prtn used the samething but it look cheaper, but others, another way around. So, gear console elantra look expensive coz using silver@because of digital a/c make the gear console look expensive@the crome ring of the bottle holders make it expensive. Just asking around.
By the way, im not protonian. Just malayzian :-)

this is just my take only, blue or warm color give diff meaning n interpretation.

A warm welcome is better than a cold welcome, n during night, normally is cold, so, maybe, just maybe warm color give better feeling.

Just my take only, or maybe a cold welcome interior is better than a warm welcome in diff view :-), dunno, just personal opinion.

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Added on April 17, 2012, 12:51 am
the name was on the tv :-) n his designation too.

This post has been edited by mat79: Apr 17 2012, 12:51 AM

:-), nice one. Shhhh, need to whishper, look at latest camry a/c vent, then u get the idea sometimes oldies good oso, or is it?

test for 2nd time kcng, maybe u r under sorcery like chriss n anthony before,just watch the speedo, and try the S mode, its tasty then D. Just my opinion only lor.

everybody, when test drive, remember to watch the speedo, if could, do some timing, no need the full throttle, just slam it until 4k rpm. N try out the S mode also. In full cvt n in paddleshift mode. O thinl shud be early coz many will que for test drive coz its the tagline itself, drive it, then do conclusion. Remember to test drive back to back with competitors then can get idea. Maybe izputra can give some insight since he owned one of the rivals in full spec,i mean driving experience.

wow, too cheapo magnesium inner doorhandle...:-). red alert nih :-)

but i think, shiny h u from china is many in the market. So, many options.