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post Mar 15 2012, 07:12 PM, updated 14y ago

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Welcome to V57!!!

Previous threads: V56 V55 V54 V53

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The Sony Alpha User List is managed by chiahau. Click here to jump to it!

>>>[cool.gifSony Alpha F.A.Q
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Common Kelvin White Balance Settings:
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Wireless Flash Compatibility List:
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Removing Pop-Up Flash Effect In Wireless Flash Mode:
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Sony Alpha Lens Line-up: HERE courtesy of vcxv

Below are the official additional accessories* that comes with respective Sony Alpha camera:

Flash hotshoe cover (Sony FASHC1AM) - A100, A77 (soft version), A700, A900
Remote Commander clip - A100, A200, A300, A350, A700, A900
Eyepiece cover / flash hotshoe cover holder - A100, A200, A300, A350, A700
Cheap Sony neckstrap vmad.gif - A200, A300, A350
Good Sony neckstrap - A100, A77, A700, A900
Wireless Infrared Remote Control - A700, A900

* list provided by albnok

Sony Alpha Support Page and Alpha User Manuals: Sony Support Site A200 A300/A350 A700 A900

How to clean your Alpha sensor by albnok:



Some useful links:

Tamron/Sigma/Sony/Minolta 70-200mm F2.8 Shootout
http://www.glaringnotebook.com/default.asp?id=1243

Ultra Wide Comparison
http://www.glaringnotebook.com/default.asp?id=1324

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Alpha street pricelist updated 25th June 2012:

Camera

Sony A230 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM = RM14xx
Sony A290 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM = RM14xx
Sony A330 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM = RM18xx
Sony A380 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM = RM20xx
Sony A380 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM + 55-200mm F4-5.6 DT SAM = RM24xx
Sony A390 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM = RM17xx
Sony A33 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM = RM21xx
Sony A33 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM + 55-200mm F4-5.6 DT SAM = RM23xx
Sony A35 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM = RM21xx
Sony A37 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM = RM18xx NEW
Sony A500 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM + 55-200mm F4-5.6 DT SAM = RM31xx
Sony A550 body only = RM21xx
Sony A550 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM = RM21xx
Sony A550 + 18-250mm F3.5-6.3 DT = RM40xx
Sony A580 body only = RM24xx
Sony A580 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM = RM27xx
Sony A55 body only + 8GB MSPD HX = RM21xx
Sony A55 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM = RM25xx
Sony A55 + 50mm F1.8 DT SAM = RM26xx (Studio Zaloon)
Sony A55 + 16-105mm F3.5-5.6 DT = RM37xx (Studio Zaloon)
Sony A57 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM = RM25xx NEW
Sony A65 body only = RM26xx NEW
Sony A65 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM = RM28xx NEW
Sony A700 + 18-70mm F3.5-5.6 DT = RM33xx
Sony A77 body only = RM38xx NEW
Sony A77 + 16-50mm F2.8 DT SSM = RM57xx NEW
Sony A850 body only = RM61xx
Sony A900 body only = RM73xx (Studio Zaloon)
Sony NEX-3 + 16mm F2.8 = RM16xx
Sony NEX-3 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS = RM18xx
Sony NEX-3 + 16mm F2.8 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS = RM22xx
Sony NEX-C3 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS = RM19xx
Sony NEX-F3 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS = RM18xx NEW
Sony NEX-F3 + 16mm F2.8 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS = RM22xx NEW
Sony NEX-F3 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS + 55-210mm F4.5-6.3 OSS = RM25xx NEW
Sony NEX-5 + 16mm F2.8 = RM21xx
Sony NEX-5 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS = RM22xx
Sony NEX-5 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS + 4GB MSPD = RM23xx
Sony NEX-5 + 18-200mm F3.5-6.3 Active OSS + 8GB MSPD + LCD protector = RM32xx
Sony NEX-5N + 16mm F2.8 + 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS + 8GB MSPD = RM26xx

The following suffixes identify what lens comes with the camera body:

G = Sony 18-200mm F3.5-6.3 DT
K = Sony 18-70mm F3.5-5.6 DT
L = Sony 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM
M = Sony 18-135mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM
P = Sony 16-105mm F3.5-5.6 DT
Q = Sony 28-75mm F2.8 SAM (or Sony 16-50mm F2.8 DT SSM with A77)
W = Sony 18-70mm F3.5-5.6 DT + Sony 75-300mm F4.5-5.6
X = Sony 18-70mm F3.5-5.6 DT + Sony 55-200mm F4-5.6 DT
Y = Sony 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 DT SAM + Sony 55-200mm F4-5.6 DT (2) SAM (or Sony E 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS + Sony E 55-210mm F4.5-6.3 OSS)
Z = Sony Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 16-80mm F3.5-4.5 DT ZA

For Sony NEX bodies:

A = Sony E 16mm F2.8 pancake
D = Sony E 16mm F2.8 pancake + Sony E 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS
H = Sony E 18-200mm F3.5-6.3 Active OSS
K = Sony E 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS

Battery Grip

Sony VG-B30AM for A200/A300/A350 = RM6xx
Sony VG-B50AM for A450/A500/A550/A560/A580 = RM6xx
Sony VG-C70AM for A700 = RM9xx
Sony VG-C90AM for A850/A900 = RM9xx

Battery

Sony NP-FH50 battery for A230/A290/A330/A380/A390 = RM2xx
Sony NP-FW50 battery for NEX-3/NEX-C3/NEX-F3/NEX-5/NEX-5N/NEX-7/A33/A35/A37/A55 = RM2xx
Sony NP-FM500H battery for A100/A200/A300/A350/A450/A500/A550/A560/A580/A700/A850/A900/A57/A65/A77 = RM2xx

Other Accessories

Sony FDA-EVS1 electronic viewfinder for NEX-5N = RM9xx

Flash

Sony HVL-F20S = RM3xx
Sony HVL-F20AM = RM4xx
Sony HVL-F42AM = RM7xx
Sony HVL-F43AM = RM7xx
Sony HVL-F58AM = RM11xx

Sony/Minolta Used Lenses

Minolta 28mm F2.8 = RM450-600
Minolta 35-70 F4 (mini beercan) = RM250-400
Minolta 50mm F1.4 = RM750-850
Minolta 50mm F1.7 = RM450-600
Sony 55-200mm F4-5.6 DT = RM450-550
Minolta 70-210mm F4 (beercan) = RM750-1100
Minolta 75-300mm F4.5-5.6 (big beercan) = RM1000-1500
Sony 75-300mm F4.5-5.6 = RM450-550

New APS-C / DT Crop Lenses

Samyang 8mm F3.5 = RM10xx
Sony 11-18mm F4.5-5.6 DT = RM20xx
Sony Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 16-80mm F3.5-4.5 DT ZA = RM25xx
Sony 16-105mm F3.5-5.6 DT = RM16xx
Sony 18-250mm F3.5-6.3 DT = RM16xx
Sony 30mm F2.8 DT SAM Macro = RM7xx
Sony 35mm F1.8 DT SAM = RM6xx
Sony 50mm F1.8 DT SAM = RM5xx
Sigma 50-150mm F2.8 EX DC HSM Macro = RM30xx

E-mount Lenses For Alpha NEX Cameras

Sigma 19mm F2.8 EX DN = RM7xx NEW
Sigma 30mm F2.8 EX DN = RM7xx NEW
Sony E 30mm F3.5 Macro = RM7xx NEW
Sony E 50mm F1.8 OSS = RM9xx NEW
Sony E 18-200mm F3.5-6.3 Active OSS = RM21xx

New Full-Frame Lenses

Sony 16mm F2.8 Diagonal Fisheye = RM25xx
Sony 20mm F2.8 = RM19xx
Sony Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 16-35mm F2.8 SSM ZA = RM54xx
Sony Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* 24-70mm F2.8 SSM ZA = RM54xx
Sony 24-105mm F3.5-4.5 = RM18xx
Sony Carl Zeiss Distagon T* 24mm F2.0 SSM ZA = RM38xx
Sony 28mm F2.8 = RM8xx
Sony 28-75mm F2.8 SAM = RM26xx
Samyang 35mm F1.4 = RM15xx NEW
Sony 35mm F1.4G = RM45xx
Sony 50mm F1.4 = RM10xx
Sony 50mm F2.8 Macro = RM14xx
Sony 85mm F2.8 SAM = RM8xx
Samyang 85mm F1.4 = RM10xx
Tamron 70-200mm F2.8 Macro = RM30xx
Sigma 70-200mm F2.8 EX DG HSM Macro = RM38xx
Sony 70-200mm F2.8G SSM = RM54xx
Sony 70-300mm F4.5-5.6G SSM = RM25xx
Sony 70-400mm F4-5.6G SSM = RM54xx
Sony Carl Zeiss Planar T* 85mm F1.4 ZA = RM50xx
Sony 100mm F2.8 Macro = RM23xx
Sony Carl Zeiss Sonnar T* 135mm F1.8 ZA = RM48xx
Sony 135mm F2.8/T4.5 Smooth Transition Focus = RM36xx
Sony 500mm F8.0 AF Reflex = RM25xx
Sony 300mm F2.8G SSM = RM20xxx
Sony 1.4x Teleconverter = RM15xx
Sony 2.0x Teleconverter = RM15xx
Sony LA-EA1 lens adapter = RM5xx
Sony LA-EA2 lens adapter = RM9xx
Sony VCL-ECF1 fisheye adapter = RM3xx

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post Mar 15 2012, 07:12 PM

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image url: http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff385/shahibbul/AlphaNex-2.png (thanks to shahibbul!)

A100: image url: http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/2687/alpha100cb9.png

A200: image url: http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1922/a200.png

A230: image url: http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8318/a230.png

A300: image url: http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2802/a300.png

A330: image url: http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4850/a330.png

A350: image url: http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3761/a350.png

A380: image url: http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4733/a380.png

A390: user posted image
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A550: user posted image
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A700: user posted image
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A850: user posted image
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A900: user posted image
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i'm the first smile.gif , thanks notworthy.gif

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post Mar 15 2012, 07:17 PM

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wow. v57 already.. really fast!
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post Mar 15 2012, 07:19 PM

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every time open new thread all like that meh? smile.gif
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post Mar 15 2012, 07:23 PM

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please la guy, dont play im first or 2nd... later u be first send for holiday...

btw, lets start this new thread with something interest (hopefully in all future new thread)

we start off with picture spam, let try fill our first page with picture (with title of coz)... right now, out first title would be "BOKEH"


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post Mar 15 2012, 07:26 PM

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lwliam: Yes, the question is what is what is the big deal about this picture?

8tvt: It's hard to find stuff regardless unless you use the Search Topic function. Even then, what if you posted in V53... or was it V54?

In the lowest common denominator of SQL, SQLite, the lowest size for an integer is 1 byte (0-255). Obviously since we can have more than 255 posts in a thread, it must be at least the next one, where an integer is 2 bytes (0-65535).

If there is such a limit, then the maximum number of pages we can have is 1310.

A more practical reason I can think of, is if there were 2500 posts, all by different users, and each user chose to Track This Topic, and get email replies. So if you move to a new topic, the inactive users will not be emailed anymore!

ieR: You call that... BOKEH? wink.gif
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QUOTE(ieR @ Mar 15 2012, 07:23 PM)
please la guy, dont play im first or 2nd... later u be first send for holiday...

btw, lets start this new thread with something interest (hopefully in all future new thread)

we start off with picture spam, let try fill our first page with picture (with title of coz)... right now, out first title would be "BOKEH"
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post Mar 15 2012, 07:34 PM

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Can the background be considered bokeh? smile.gif

I don't know why was the picture resized until so small. @@

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ieR: You call that... BOKEH? wink.gif
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albert: the distortion is at minimum?

popfish: niceezzzz~ got great "feel" towards it biggrin.gif

Ryou: sweat.gif cannnn....
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post Mar 15 2012, 07:45 PM

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Hahaah ieR kena charrrrr~~
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QUOTE(lwliam @ Mar 15 2012, 07:45 PM)
Hahaah ieR kena charrrrr~~
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post Mar 15 2012, 08:08 PM

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apa lagi.. Hot Balloon..

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post Mar 15 2012, 08:14 PM

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8tvt: eh? at last they get new balloons a? hahah...
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got but no darth vader and doraemon like last time la.. even upside down also not notice...
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ieR: No, the Zeiss 24mm F2.0 ZA SSM does have a little bit of barrel distortion - heck every lens I have, has a bit of it. Not so obvious because of the way this picture was taken. But that's not what the picture is about!

popfish: Nice moment, though the noise reduction has made it somewhat blotchy - shoot RAW next time?

Also, speaking of bokeh, you can see what distracting bokeh is, in the left and the top-right of the picture. Now real quality bokeh has none of that yo. (More subliminal hints.)
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IeR: don't be a putty and man up! Buy the 135mm STF and show your bokeh shots!

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Latest Version V57!

A100
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A200
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albnok: sigma 12-24 have less barrel distortion i think? haha...
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QUOTE(albnok @ Mar 15 2012, 08:17 PM)
ieR: No, the Zeiss 24mm F2.0 ZA SSM does have a little bit of barrel distortion - heck every lens I have, has a bit of it. Not so obvious because of the way this picture was taken. But that's not what the picture is about!

popfish: Nice moment, though the noise reduction has made it somewhat blotchy - shoot RAW next time?

Also, speaking of bokeh, you can see what distracting bokeh is, in the left and the top-right of the picture. Now real quality bokeh has none of that yo. (More subliminal hints.)
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errr the lens picture cant be e-mount? or 5 pins contact? or it was shot on a car hood in the middle of the day inside a apartment/condo area?


Added on March 15, 2012, 8:29 pmedit: oh its fit the title bokeh!!!!! nice bokeh btw tongue.gif

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post Mar 15 2012, 08:32 PM

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Thanks chiahau, I've linked to your post!

eddybeh: I have the Sigma 12-24mm, and it does have a lot of barrel distortion, but it's pleasant, so you don't notice it. You won't know it has distortion until DxO corrects it!

Anyway, as for the picture I posted, the thing about it is not the distortion...

8tvt: Fire in the wrong place, supposed to be on the candles LOL. I like how close #2 is, and for #3 you could take poetic license and tilt the frame so the 2 balloons on the left are not in the picture.

Also, if you cropped #5 to the top half, it would look like you were in a balloon yourself!

ieR: Yes it has 5 pins - how many other lenses have 5 pins? Look at the back of any lens and tell me what's different. wink.gif
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noted albnok..
tomorrow will try again..
hopefully no rain.. and with good sky..

jerebu la always..
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albnok: noted. i think old minolta lens have 5 pins oso rite? my mini beercan oso 5 pins... i remember u all mentioned the difference b4, but cant remember well..
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5 vs 8 pins is to add info for the advance distance integration (ADI) circuitry. As for what is Albert trying to show with the 5 pin lens, I'm not sure, but my best guess if it's a Sony lens is that it's an STF.

Addon: it has got orange dot, it IS a Sony lens. And judging by the size of the rear element, a congrats is overdue!

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DSC01484 by J.K sazol, on Flickr

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C&C pls

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QUOTE(albnok @ Mar 15 2012, 08:17 PM)
ieR: No, the Zeiss 24mm F2.0 ZA SSM does have a little bit of barrel distortion - heck every lens I have, has a bit of it. Not so obvious because of the way this picture was taken. But that's not what the picture is about!

popfish: Nice moment, though the noise reduction has made it somewhat blotchy - shoot RAW next time?

Also, speaking of bokeh, you can see what distracting bokeh is, in the left and the top-right of the picture. Now real quality bokeh has none of that yo. (More subliminal hints.)
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Hello everyone,

How much do they usually charge for sensor cleaning?

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C&C pls
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Pic #1 is great! I like it. The background is clean and the composition works. For no. 2 I'm kinda turned off by the flare... but that's just me.


albnok : I noticed the 5 pins too and the casing got me a bit confused as 5 pins is common for old Minolta AF lenses but then this is new... but what lwliam say may be true.. could it really be the STF??!!

8tvt : Like pic #3! I like how you framed it.

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8tvt : Like pic #3! I like how you framed it.
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luckily no distortion..
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Wokeh!

Bokeh pic spam!

Hope this qualifies... albnok what say you? It's not the best but I'm sure it's far from the worst... haha

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i need some guide .. when you purchase lens is just cash n carry, credit card full pay or fully installment ? blush.gif


currently i plan for Sony Distagon 24mm F2 nod.gif


please advice. thanks notworthy.gif

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if got 0 interest why not installment?
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if got 0 interest why not installment?
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QUOTE(popfish @ Mar 15 2012, 11:02 PM)
i need some guide ..  when you purchase lens is just cash n carry, credit card full pay or fully installment ? blush.gif
currently i plan for Sony Distagon 24mm F2  nod.gif
please advice. thanks  notworthy.gif
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If more than 2k, I prefer use card swipe and clear 2morrow. Dislike carrying too much cash.

But, overall, prefer buy with cash/CC as long as settle on the spot.

QUOTE(8tvt @ Mar 15 2012, 11:11 PM)
if got 0 interest why not installment?
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If you buy something with installment, it usually mean you are not ready to afford it.

So, if can cash, might as well pay full and settle it asap.

But if REALLY can get 0% no charge, street priced item, same price with CC or cash, then maybe....
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if you are using platinum card with those extra warranty on top of manufacturing warranty, why not?
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Wokeh!

Bokeh pic spam!

Hope this qualifies... albnok what say you? It's not the best but I'm sure it's far from the worst... haha

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This picture taken by Leica?
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This picture taken by Leica?
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QUOTE(chiahau @ Mar 15 2012, 11:20 PM)
If more than 2k, I prefer use card swipe and clear 2morrow. Dislike carrying too much cash.

But, overall, prefer buy with cash/CC as long as settle on the spot.
If you buy something with installment, it usually mean you are not ready to afford it.

So, if can cash, might as well pay full and settle it asap.

But if REALLY can get 0% no charge, street priced item, same price with CC or cash, then maybe....
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"can get 0% no charge, street priced item, same price with CC or cash, then maybe..." <<<<<< i wish this kind of purchase matter will be happen. brows.gif



''If you buy something with installment, it usually mean you are not ready to afford it.'' <<<<<< i'm agree too, but it cause extra extend warranty 2+1 or extra gift i' ll will be consider/
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QUOTE(popfish @ Mar 15 2012, 11:36 PM)
"can get 0% no charge, street priced item, same price with CC or cash, then maybe..."  <<<<<< i wish this kind of purchase matter will be happen. brows.gif
''If you buy something with installment, it usually mean you are not ready to afford it.''  <<<<<< i'm agree too, but it cause extra extend warranty 2+1 or extra gift i' ll will  be consider/
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Err, explain extra warranty and free gift?

I buy cash can't get extra warranty or free gift? I think if i pay cash, the seller will be more happy and give me more freebies LOL.
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ALBNOK.. I DEMAND A TT SESSION~!!!!!!!!!!!
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QUOTE(chiahau @ Mar 15 2012, 11:20 PM)
If more than 2k, I prefer use card swipe and clear 2morrow. Dislike carrying too much cash.

But, overall, prefer buy with cash/CC as long as settle on the spot.
If you buy something with installment, it usually mean you are not ready to afford it.

So, if can cash, might as well pay full and settle it asap.

But if REALLY can get 0% no charge, street priced item, same price with CC or cash, then maybe....
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u ni.. it mean smart budget..
why need to pay 1.8k for example.. if can pay for 6months period with no interest.. unless u not pay la..
atleast other money can buy other things.. (maybe)

it's same concept if u wait for 6months and buy one shot..
the thing is.. u don't have a chance to utilize it now...

be smart yo icon_rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE(8tvt @ Mar 16 2012, 12:05 AM)
u ni.. it mean smart budget..
why need to pay 1.8k for example.. if can pay for 6months period with no interest.. unless u not pay la..
atleast other money can buy other things.. (maybe)

it's same concept if u wait for 6months and buy one shot..
the thing is.. u don't have a chance to utilize it now... 

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there is offer 12 & 24 months 0% installment , but unit price is standard smile.gif

thanks your info brows.gif
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QUOTE(popfish @ Mar 16 2012, 12:15 AM)
there is offer 12 & 24 months  0% installment , but unit price is standard smile.gif

thanks your  info  brows.gif
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price also not diff by much la if buy cash..
search which is reasonable.. thumbup.gif

if want wait for 1 year.. cant gain experience later.. tongue.gif
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eddybeh: Yes, old Minolta lenses have 5 pins. Those with (D) or xi have 8.

lwliam: There is more than one Sony lens with 5 pins. If you (or anyone) can give reasons that accurately identify what I am trying to show, a TT shall be called. So far noone has been observant enough.

javed: Nice, got feel!

shootkk: Nice! Though she does fight with the bokeh, somewhat, for the attention of the viewer...

NutZ748: Er... not the best angle? Especially since there's no eye contact.

sugaring: Nice #1! A bit more space below the dog would really give the lazy afternoon feel.

ahpingko: Congratulations! Well done!

zeipher: Nice, and long time no see!
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QUOTE(albnok @ Mar 16 2012, 02:14 AM)
eddybeh: Yes, old Minolta lenses have 5 pins. Those with (D) or xi have 8.

lwliam: There is more than one Sony lens with 5 pins. If you (or anyone) can give reasons that accurately identify what I am trying to show, a TT shall be called. So far noone has been observant enough.

javed: Nice, got feel!

shootkk: Nice! Though she does fight with the bokeh, somewhat, for the attention of the viewer...

NutZ748: Er... not the best angle? Especially since there's no eye contact.

sugaring: Nice #1! A bit more space below the dog would really give the lazy afternoon feel.

ahpingko: Congratulations! Well done!

zeipher: Nice, and long time no see!
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Albert is it because of the lens that you hinting?
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QUOTE(8tvt @ Mar 16 2012, 12:21 AM)
price also not diff by much la if buy cash..
search which is reasonable..  thumbup.gif

if want wait for 1 year.. cant gain experience later.. tongue.gif
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noted with thanks.

blush.gif currently sony online provide this installment matter, it should be ok?
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@albnok
Is it the 500mm f8 reflex?It has a metal mount and too long to be a short prime.
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for extended warranty, i should extended +2yrs then go online register or register online 1st then go extend warranty... hmm.gif


Added on March 16, 2012, 8:16 am
QUOTE(chiahau @ Mar 15 2012, 11:39 PM)
Err, explain extra warranty and free gift?

I buy cash can't get extra warranty or free gift? I think if i pay cash, the seller will be more happy and give me more freebies LOL.
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it make no sense huh... i mean now getting close to april, if i am the seller i will not make such offer while drag to april, sell at new price gain more profit tongue.gif

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Albnok: or is it the fact that the screw drive pin is a + shape instead of a - ? But I can't figure out what does that indicate.
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congrats ahpingko !
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Congratsss!!!!  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(albnok @ Mar 16 2012, 02:14 AM)
eddybeh: Yes, old Minolta lenses have 5 pins. Those with (D) or xi have 8.

lwliam: There is more than one Sony lens with 5 pins. If you (or anyone) can give reasons that accurately identify what I am trying to show, a TT shall be called. So far noone has been observant enough.

javed: Nice, got feel!

shootkk: Nice! Though she does fight with the bokeh, somewhat, for the attention of the viewer...

NutZ748: Er... not the best angle? Especially since there's no eye contact.

sugaring: Nice #1! A bit more space below the dog would really give the lazy afternoon feel.

ahpingko: Congratulations! Well done!

zeipher: Nice, and long time no see!
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Albert > I think it is quite impossible to find what lens by the words... N50 .. near the lens mount .I had tried to google images with that ... still not able to find it
My best guess would be samyang 35mm 1.4 USM...
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QUOTE(zstan @ Mar 16 2012, 07:55 AM)
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Is it the 500mm f8 reflex?It has a metal mount and too long to be a short prime.
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Can't be. There's the aperture thingy.


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lwliam: Yes, the question is what is what is the big deal about this picture?

8tvt: It's hard to find stuff regardless unless you use the Search Topic function. Even then, what if you posted in V53... or was it V54?

In the lowest common denominator of SQL, SQLite, the lowest size for an integer is 1 byte (0-255). Obviously since we can have more than 255 posts in a thread, it must be at least the next one, where an integer is 2 bytes (0-65535).

If there is such a limit, then the maximum number of pages we can have is 1310.

A more practical reason I can think of, is if there were 2500 posts, all by different users, and each user chose to Track This Topic, and get email replies. So if you move to a new topic, the inactive users will not be emailed anymore!

ieR: You call that... BOKEH? wink.gif
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It has no serial number? I'm guessing it's the CZ 24/1.8 doh.gif

P/s: no, it's the cz24/2.0.

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newbieee The CZ 24/2.0 is used to take the pic.. so it cannot be on the cam and on the table at the same time now can it?
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albert: miniature effect? look like 1680Z? cannot be 35, because the barrel is straight flat from the mount, this lens has a errr dunno what we call it, a sengek line, to increase 55mm barrel to around 62mm...

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QUOTE(albnok @ Mar 16 2012, 02:14 AM)
eddybeh: Yes, old Minolta lenses have 5 pins. Those with (D) or xi have 8.

lwliam: There is more than one Sony lens with 5 pins. If you (or anyone) can give reasons that accurately identify what I am trying to show, a TT shall be called. So far noone has been observant enough.

javed: Nice, got feel!

shootkk: Nice! Though she does fight with the bokeh, somewhat, for the attention of the viewer...

NutZ748: Er... not the best angle? Especially since there's no eye contact.

sugaring: Nice #1! A bit more space below the dog would really give the lazy afternoon feel.

ahpingko: Congratulations! Well done!

zeipher: Nice, and long time no see!
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im just sitting behind testing the lens...i mean....reallll behind LOL

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QUOTE(shootkk @ Mar 16 2012, 09:56 AM)
newbieee The CZ 24/2.0 is used to take the pic.. so it cannot be on the cam and on the table at the same time now can it?
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I am hazarding a guess that albnok's lens is indeed the Sony 35mm f1.4 G
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Shootkk, I don't recall the 35 1.4G being that size. It's smaller, the G.


Added on March 16, 2012, 10:35 amDefinitely not 1680Z either. Exit element is FF. 1680 is apsc.

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Not small 55 filter thread due to shape, 62mm++

Shootkk, the 35 barrel is like 50mm, straight flat barrel from the mount size, 55mm thread
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Haha... wrong guess... but then i don't have any other guess.. It's unlikely that albnok will want a 500mm mirror lens... that's just not like him.. If it's not the STF then what else can it be? All the older primes that Sony adapted with 5 pins are really quite small...

But unlikely is not impossible lah...
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Congratulations on getting the STF, albnok. smile.gif

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Note: This is from the rear of a Minolta 135mm STF. So it doesn't have the orange ring that's a signature of sony alpha lenses.

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This shows the SONY 135mm STF with the prominent orange ring and "N50" wordings. Unfortunately, the website decided to put a rear lens cap on it to take this photo.... doh.gif

That's what I could deduce from your photo (noticed the 5 pin & cross screw AF coupler right away). There are not many 5 pin lenses in Sony's line-up. I only know that the 135STF & the 500mm Reflex are non-ADI so they have only 5-pins. But that photo of the rear end is giving away the fact that this cannot be the F8 mirror lens. The 35G is an ADI capable lens, so it cannot be 5-pins.


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zstan: As Newbieeeeee sharply pointed out, the Sony 500mm F8 Reflex has no aperture lever, since it is stuck at F8 all the time (with an optional slot-in 2-stop ND filter to reduce light, instead of stopping down.)

lwliam has spotted the most important clue!

andell: You mean Samyang 35mm F1.4 UMC? Nope, the Samyang has an aperture ring, and no aperture lever...

Newbieeeeee: The serial number is around the other side of the lens. Also, the Carl Zeiss 24mm F2.0 ZA SSM has SSM, and SSM needs 8 pins...

ieR: Yeah the lens tapers briefly to enlarge the barrel size. Though, the 35mm F1.4G does taper a bit!

shootkk: The Sony 35mm F1.4G does have a large rear element.

Sure, you can guess what I would buy, but what if I didn't buy this lens, so it's not necessarily a lens that I would want to buy?

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Hi all, new here~~ wanna check with you guys ~~ is Tamron 17-50mm valueable to buy wat the damage if a new one/2nd hand ? good for indoor? ~~

Please advice.

Thanks
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Hi all, new here~~ wanna check with you guys ~~ is Tamron 17-50mm valueable to buy wat the damage if a new one/2nd hand ? good for indoor? ~~

Please advice.

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Why would you want the Tamron? If you can't answer this question then it's likely you do not need the lens...
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Why would you want the Tamron? If you can't answer this question then it's likely you do not need the lens...
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because lens quality ?

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Why would you want the Tamron? If you can't answer this question then it's likely you do not need the lens...
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Indoor Shooting ~~ wedding/indoor event ~~ if not mistake the its lowest to f2.8 ~~ i was thinking to use it on travel as well ~~
correct me if i get this lens wrong on usage ~~
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Why would you want the Tamron? If you can't answer this question then it's likely you do not need the lens...
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CONGRATULATIONS kysham! You got it right, and for the right reasons, too!

Cross-shaped AF screw - stops the screw-drive on your Alpha body from turning. So that when you mount the lens, it isn't drilling into the lens like a n00b. (You might see this with a chipped manual-focus lens - it will always sound like a drill when you mount it or turn on the camera, with AF on.)

Interestingly, Sony SSM lenses also 'catch' the screw-drive, but with an "I" shape with a circle inside.

5 pins - The following Sony lenses have 5 pins:
1) Sony 16mm F2.8 Diagonal Fisheye
2) Sony 20mm F2.8
3) Sony 28mm F2.8
4) Sony 135mm F2.8/T4.5 Smooth Transition Focus
5) Sony 500mm F8 Reflex

However the key factor is that the STF has a cross-shaped AF screw.

N50 C-Tick logo - the white tick in a black circle is known as the C-Tick logo, and N50 is the AUSTEL permit number. This certifies the lens for sale in Australia and New Zealand. Though this isn't relevant to identifying the lens LOL.

Also, you can get pictures of lenses from the rear from Kurt Munger's site:
http://kurtmunger.com/sony_135mm_f_2_8__t4_5__stfid268.html

Blooddust: Welcome! #2 and #3's background leaf is a bit too distracting, and so is that leaf on the left of #4. So close! I like #6 though.

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QUOTE(Blooddust @ Mar 16 2012, 12:08 PM)
Indoor Shooting ~~ wedding/indoor event ~~ if not mistake the its lowest to f2.8 ~~ i was thinking to use it on travel as well ~~
correct me if i get this lens wrong on usage ~~
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For wedding/indoor event, the requirement is a flash rather than any lens... If you wanted my opinion, then it's best you get the 16-35mm Zeiss f2.8 lens for wedding/indoors and travel...

If and when you upgrade to FF, then you will be set with an UWA lens and just need to get a 50mm to complement.. I'm not into telephoto but then you most probably will get a 70-200mm f2.8 which will work fine on APS-C & FF.

The Tamron is a APS-C only lens so that's the limitation.

chiahau : If I had money... the above is what I will do if I am in Bloodlust position... haha.
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QUOTE(chiahau @ Mar 16 2012, 12:09 PM)
I buy because I got $$, easiest answer of all.
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Popfish, bloodlust. It's not a tough question actually. You just need to know what are you going to use the lens for. Does the lens specifications be able to allow you to get the shot you are looking for? Do I need something brighter? If the lens will suit your needs that you will be using for, by all means go get it if it's within your budget.

Let's say I give an example. I want a macro lens. I will be shooting bugs but also need it for normal usage. I can't get a 30mm 2.8 macro, why? The MFD of a few cm will scare away any bugs whenever I want to do 1:1 magnification. So, I looks at other choices. 50mm? 90mm? 100mm? 180mm? I finally picked something in the middle of those range while giving me enough distance to work with. At the same time, I can use it as a tele lens and portrait lens.

Since u have already chosen the Tamron, I'm pretty sure you also read about it somewhere else before deciding to get it. If you have already made up your mind, just go for it. It's you who is shooting, not others.


Added on March 16, 2012, 12:25 pmAlbnok, wahey! Looks like my initial guess was correct then..

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QUOTE(shootkk @ Mar 16 2012, 12:18 PM)
For wedding/indoor event, the requirement is a flash rather than any lens... If you wanted my opinion, then it's best you get the 16-35mm Zeiss f2.8 lens for wedding/indoors and travel...

If and when you upgrade to FF, then you will be set with an UWA lens and just need to get a 50mm to complement.. I'm not into telephoto but then you most probably will get a 70-200mm f2.8 which will work fine on APS-C & FF.

The Tamron is a APS-C only lens so that's the limitation.

chiahau : If I had money... the above is what I will do if I am in Bloodlust position... haha.
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1635 kinda overkill eh? Well, for his purposes, I do prefer the tamron 1750 and perhaps the extra for a flash like F58am..

But to each of its own.

QUOTE(lwliam @ Mar 16 2012, 12:23 PM)
That's a rich man talking *ignored*

Popfish, bloodlust. It's not a tough question actually. You just need to know what are you going to use the lens for. Does the lens specifications be able to allow you to get the shot you are looking for? Do I need something brighter? If the lens will suit your needs that you will be using for, by all means go get it if it's within your budget.

Let's say I give an example. I want a macro lens. I will be shooting bugs but also need it for normal usage. I can't get a 30mm 2.8 macro, why? The MFD of a few cm will scare away any bugs whenever I want to do 1:1 magnification. So, I looks at other choices. 50mm? 90mm? 100mm? 180mm? I finally picked something in the middle of those range while giving me enough distance to work with. At the same time, I can use it as a tele lens and portrait lens.

Since u have already chosen the Tamron, I'm pretty sure you also read about it somewhere else before deciding to get it. If you have already made up your mind, just go for it. It's you who is shooting, not others.


Added on March 16, 2012, 12:25 pmAlbnok, wahey! Looks like my initial guess was correct then..
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I was merely jesting, the answer to the question is already nicely written in your statement anyways.

@Albnok - Can we now have a TT? Since Syam got it right liao tongue.gif
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Thanks all buddy for the suggest~~

hence, i not that rich ~~ and i shoot for my hobby ~~ i have a 4 years A200~~ i love it so much and using the 18-70 kit lens till now ~~ how ever they is a dead pixel on the sensor and not worth for the money to repair it so i choose to bought a new A65 ~~ will still using the kit lens 18-70 till i consider to go for the tamron~~ A 200 i will serve as portrait shoots attach with my 50mm f1.8 ~~ hope it still can stand for me couple years more ~~
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QUOTE(Blooddust @ Mar 16 2012, 12:41 PM)
Thanks all buddy for the suggest~~

hence, i not that rich ~~ and i shoot for my hobby ~~ i have a 4 years A200~~ i love it so much and using the 18-70 kit lens till now ~~ how ever they is a dead pixel on the sensor and not worth for the money to repair it so i choose to bought a new A65 ~~ will still using the kit lens 18-70 till i consider to go for the tamron~~ A 200 i will serve as portrait shoots attach with my 50mm f1.8 ~~ hope it still can stand for me couple years more ~~
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It's a good lens. You won't regret. For 2nd hand, as long its extreme cheap else get a new one.

I sold mine, coz ever since I got the tamron1750, I neglected ALL my other lens, as it can do almost everything...
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The tamron is quite a good lens but do note that the barrel distortion at 17mm is quite bad.

Congrats albnok on your new purchase! biggrin.gif

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zeipher: Nice, and long time no see!
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anyway, another minor bokeh pic for the day. this time a fake bokeh tongue.gif thumbup.gif oh, please ignore the facebook quality upload shakehead.gif

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my friends says the girl look like copy and paste inside rclxub.gif any comments?

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anyone have extended warranty experience on alpha product.

I had informed by seller that warranty extend +2yrs is ONLY valid from SONY centre and NOT SONY Service centre, etc. So, if I read it right mean if my gear got issue, only can return to Sony Centre for warranty, betul kah?

and where I can find the warranty term and condition page from Sony? like want to know what type of defect is cover, what not cover in warranty...

btw, any new aipo owner here, is the legacy power adaptor easily spoil problem have overcome by manufacturer in new batch/design...?

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QUOTE(jimlim007 @ Mar 16 2012, 01:29 PM)
anyone have extended warranty experience on alpha product.

I had informed by seller that warranty extend +2yrs is ONLY valid from SONY centre and NOT SONY Service centre, etc. So, if I read it right mean if my gear got issue, only can return to Sony Centre for warranty, betul kah?

and where I can find the warranty term and condition page from Sony? like want to know what type of defect is cover, what not cover in warranty...

btw, any new aipo owner here, is the legacy power adaptor easily spoil problem have overcome by manufacturer in new batch/design...?

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Sadly no..

I still have alot of return cases for the Aipo adapter.

In fact, the drybox outlast the adapter by 10 years @.@
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QUOTE(chiahau @ Mar 16 2012, 01:38 PM)
Sadly no..

I still have alot of return cases for the Aipo adapter.

In fact, the drybox outlast the adapter by 10 years @.@
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I am wondering... should I buy the Zeiss 24mm f2.0 or a second hand Minolta 85mm f1.4G?

The difference in price is not so much but the difference in usage is like heaven & earth. I love the 24mm for it's minimal distortion plus the fact that it's a Zeiss... but then I have fallen in love with my 20mm f2.8 lens. I do not think that I will be letting the 20mm go even if I get the 24mm

The 85mm is a focal length that I will use more than the 20mm or 24mm because it's not that often I go travelling...

So.. any suggestions?
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QUOTE(jimlim007 @ Mar 16 2012, 01:52 PM)
Chiahau thank for the info. cannot imaging they are not going to improve it. the issue is not new. even though they have TE invention. I as the potential new buyer have affected by their product problem. Will try look for Sundry then.
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Well, Aipo's good. Don't worry bout the adapter, if rosak can 1 to 1 exchange one....

So, just use it XD

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I am wondering... should I buy the Zeiss 24mm f2.0 or a second hand Minolta 85mm f1.4G?

The difference in price is not so much but the difference in usage is like heaven & earth. I love the 24mm for it's minimal distortion plus the fact that it's a Zeiss... but then I have fallen in love with my 20mm f2.8 lens. I do not think that I will be letting the 20mm go even if I get the 24mm

The 85mm is a focal length that I will use more than the 20mm or 24mm because it's not that often I go travelling...

So.. any suggestions?
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Get the one you use more often. Likely the Minolta 85.

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QUOTE(shootkk @ Mar 16 2012, 02:02 PM)
I am wondering... should I buy the Zeiss 24mm f2.0 or a second hand Minolta 85mm f1.4G?

The difference in price is not so much but the difference in usage is like heaven & earth. I love the 24mm for it's minimal distortion plus the fact that it's a Zeiss... but then I have fallen in love with my 20mm f2.8 lens. I do not think that I will be letting the 20mm go even if I get the 24mm

The 85mm is a focal length that I will use more than the 20mm or 24mm because it's not that often I go travelling...

So.. any suggestions?
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i have check a lot review , CZ 24mm f2 probably they give overall most is 9/10,but it worth to have it .

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85 1.4 G!!!!!!!!!!!


Added on March 16, 2012, 2:10 pm
QUOTE(popfish @ Mar 16 2012, 02:08 PM)
i have check a lot review , probably they give overall most is 9/10,but it worth to have it like minolta prime lens?
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shootkk: i vote 85mm!! seems more practical for ur usage. XP
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Agree with eddy's point. No use overlapping your 20mm with a 24mm la.

The jump from 2.8 to 1.4 is bigger than the jump from 2.8 to 2.0 that's for sure.
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Mar 16 2012, 02:02 PM)
I am wondering... should I buy the Zeiss 24mm f2.0 or a second hand Minolta 85mm f1.4G?

The difference in price is not so much but the difference in usage is like heaven & earth. I love the 24mm for it's minimal distortion plus the fact that it's a Zeiss... but then I have fallen in love with my 20mm f2.8 lens. I do not think that I will be letting the 20mm go even if I get the 24mm

The 85mm is a focal length that I will use more than the 20mm or 24mm because it's not that often I go travelling...

So.. any suggestions?
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Those points that you all brought up, I have also considered. But then... if I wanna get the 85mm f1.4G then my whole body itchy wanna get the 85mm f1.4 Zeiss... only thing is the price increase is substantial...

Anyone wanna sponsor me the difference ar? Hahaha

Then if I over-think it some more... I come to the conclusion that I might as well get the 24-70mm f2.8 Zeiss and be done with it... If I have that, then I still have the 20mm prime and can still use my 85mm f2.8... and the 24-70mm can be my walk-around and quench my Zeiss lust. Only thing holding me back is the weight of the 24-70mm!! Arghhh...!!!!!
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Mar 16 2012, 02:02 PM)
I am wondering... should I buy the Zeiss 24mm f2.0 or a second hand Minolta 85mm f1.4G alphanatics?

The difference in price is not so much but the difference in usage is like heaven & earth. I love the 24mm for it's minimal distortion plus the fact that it's a Zeiss... but then I have fallen in love with my 20mm f2.8 lens. I do not think that I will be letting the 20mm go even if I get the 24mm

The 85mm is a focal length that I will use more than the 20mm or 24mm because it's not that often I go travelling...

So.. any suggestions?
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QUOTE(lwliam @ Mar 16 2012, 02:08 PM)
85 1.4 G!!!!!!!!!!!


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Tak paham aku tgk ayat u tuhh
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emm,ha.. saya pun tak faham blink.gif , mean this lens 24 f2 you can have it too..

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QUOTE(shootkk @ Mar 16 2012, 02:30 PM)
Those points that you all brought up, I have also considered. But then... if I wanna get the 85mm f1.4G then my whole body itchy wanna get the 85mm f1.4 Zeiss... only thing is the price increase is substantial...

Anyone wanna sponsor me the difference ar? Hahaha

Then if I over-think it some more... I come to the conclusion that I might as well get the 24-70mm f2.8 Zeiss and be done with it... If I have that, then I still have the 20mm prime and can still use my 85mm f2.8... and the 24-70mm can be my walk-around and quench my Zeiss lust. Only thing holding me back is the weight of the 24-70mm!! Arghhh...!!!!!
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Totally agree. the 24-70 too heavy, and if you wanted walkaround lens, can just consider Tamron 28-75, lighter and have good IQ too
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Mar 16 2012, 02:30 PM)
Those points that you all brought up, I have also considered. But then... if I wanna get the 85mm f1.4G then my whole body itchy wanna get the 85mm f1.4 Zeiss... only thing is the price increase is substantial...

Anyone wanna sponsor me the difference ar? Hahaha

Then if I over-think it some more... I come to the conclusion that I might as well get the 24-70mm f2.8 Zeiss and be done with it... If I have that, then I still have the 20mm prime and can still use my 85mm f2.8... and the 24-70mm can be my walk-around and quench my Zeiss lust. Only thing holding me back is the weight of the 24-70mm!! Arghhh...!!!!!
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Mar 16 2012, 02:30 PM)
Those points that you all brought up, I have also considered. But then... if I wanna get the 85mm f1.4G then my whole body itchy wanna get the 85mm f1.4 Zeiss... only thing is the price increase is substantial...

Anyone wanna sponsor me the difference ar? Hahaha

Then if I over-think it some more... I come to the conclusion that I might as well get the 24-70mm f2.8 Zeiss and be done with it... If I have that, then I still have the 20mm prime and can still use my 85mm f2.8... and the 24-70mm can be my walk-around and quench my Zeiss lust. Only thing holding me back is the weight of the 24-70mm!! Arghhh...!!!!!
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If i sponsor you 1st, can you sponsor my MBP 15" back later? I no need use money now, so can pm me to diskusi brows.gif


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Samyang 85 1.4 G  unsure.gif
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Epic sharp lens, problem is MF all the way..

Since KK old dy, eyes maybe not so sharp liao laugh.gif

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QUOTE(chiahau @ Mar 16 2012, 02:38 PM)
If i sponsor you 1st, can you sponsor my MBP 15" back later? I no need use money now, so can pm me to diskusi  brows.gif


Added on March 16, 2012, 2:39 pm

Epic sharp lens, problem is MF all the way..

Since KK old dy, eyes maybe not so sharp liao  laugh.gif
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Pakai a77 or change focusing screen can liao
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I used to MF already, since getting poisoned with RF.. No issue for me actually. But not all people like MF.... That's all.

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jimlim : You must be new here.... LOL!! If I wanted the Samyang I would have gotten it way before I got my 85mm f2.8 SAM. Fact is.. I am not a fan of manual focus lenses... Call me lazy or whatever but I like auto-focus.

Zicron : But I absolutely hate the 28mm focal length!! Now I cannot live with a wide angle lens that is less than 24mm!!


Looks like it's highly likely I will be getting the Minolta 85mm f1.4G... unless a 85mm f1.4 Zeiss pops up in the meantime with a great price!! Haha!
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QUOTE(chiahau @ Mar 16 2012, 02:41 PM)
I used to MF already, since getting poisoned with RF.. No issue for me actually. But not all people like MF.... That's all.
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shootkk: good choice.. nvm about zeiss 1st la... the G gives nice colors!!
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zeipher: I like how your fake bokeh has color! Though the blurring is a bit off.

shootkk: Would you shoot weddings more at 85mm or 24mm?

That said your 85mm F2.8 is a close-range champion, making it far more usable as a walkabout lens. Getting the 85mm F1.4G would make it more strictly a portrait lens.
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albnok : I would say that I have been using the 85mm way more lately.. even in weddings. But then again I don't shoot many weddings.

Crap! Now that you mentioned it... the MFD difference is a whopping 25cm between the 2 lenses...

Heck! Perhaps I should just get the 135mm f1.8 Zeiss!!! LOL!

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shootkk: I would go with the idea of buying the 24-70Z instead. You already have the 20mm end & 85mm end covered with 2 excellent lenses. Why duplicate the 85mm focal length? The 24-70Z will proof to be more versatile and useful as a walkabout and a landscape & portraiture lens. The weight is rather unforgiving, true, but for the output, you will be pleased you lugged it around.
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QUOTE(kysham @ Mar 16 2012, 03:32 PM)
shootkk: I would go with the idea of buying the 24-70Z instead. You already have the 20mm end & 85mm end covered with 2 excellent lenses. Why duplicate the 85mm focal length? The 24-70Z will proof to be more versatile and useful as a walkabout and a landscape & portraiture lens. The weight is rather unforgiving, true, but for the output, you will be pleased you lugged it around.
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He said he old liao, carry such heavy lens might lead to backbone problem in future. laugh.gif

But I kinda agree with syam though.

Since you already got wide in 20, and 85 end, why not get something in between?
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QUOTE(chiahau @ Mar 16 2012, 03:36 PM)
He said he old liao, carry such heavy lens might lead to backbone problem in future.  laugh.gif

But I kinda agree with syam though.

Since you already got wide in 20, and 85 end, why not get something in between?
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So... the 24-70mm Zeiss ends back up onto my list to be considered...

Decisions, decisions!!

It's a pain to lug the 24-70mm around... and it will add quite a lot of weight to my bag... I can only throw out the 50mm prime which does not weigh all that much to begin with...

How much is the 24-70mm again?
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Mar 16 2012, 03:43 PM)
So... the 24-70mm Zeiss ends back up onto my list to be considered...

Decisions, decisions!!

It's a pain to lug the 24-70mm around... and it will add quite a lot of weight to my bag... I can only throw out the 50mm prime which does not weigh all that much to begin with...

How much is the 24-70mm again?
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Mar 16 2012, 03:43 PM)
So... the 24-70mm Zeiss ends back up onto my list to be considered...

Decisions, decisions!!

It's a pain to lug the 24-70mm around... and it will add quite a lot of weight to my bag... I can only throw out the 50mm prime which does not weigh all that much to begin with...

How much is the 24-70mm again?
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The 50mm you throw 2 me, I willing 2 accept it.
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chiahau : Haha! Keep dreaming.. I'm not gonna sell the 50mm. Most is I will not bring it out when not absolutely necessary.

BTW.. just asking.. what price can you offer me on the SAL2470Z? PM me.
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Mar 16 2012, 03:56 PM)
chiahau : Haha! Keep dreaming.. I'm not gonna sell the 50mm. Most is I will not bring it out when not absolutely necessary.

BTW.. just asking.. what price can you offer me on the SAL2470Z? PM me.
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chiahau : Haha! Keep dreaming.. I'm not gonna sell the 50mm. Most is I will not bring it out when not absolutely necessary.

BTW.. just asking.. what price can you offer me on the SAL2470Z? PM me.
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Or, get the 70200 lo. And a new BAG!!!:p
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*Sigh*

I am seriously considering the 135Z now....

Seems to make a little more sense... plus the fact that I don't have to lug it around when travelling...

Will benefit my portraiture... crap! Why does decisions have to be this hard?
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Shootkk... Put the money in fd first... When a99 come out you buy it together with 2470 Zeiss la tongue.gif
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Probably won't be able to afford the A99... if Sony ever considers putting out an A88 then that would be more to my level.. haha

Still the weight of the 2470Z is a big deterrent.
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Actually the most important u need to buy.

A bigger bag and drybox leh.
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zstan : I think if I do that, the interest also will not be able to cover the price hike!! LOL!!

Probably won't be able to afford the A99... if Sony ever considers putting out an A88 then that would be more to my level.. haha

Still the weight of the 2470Z is a big deterrent.
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jimlim007: jim, the warranty should be able to process by service center. if they dont, means they arent following the protocol. u can try file a complaint on them.

the drybox, aipo, previous affected units are the adapter with 2w or below adapters. they will replace with new adapter that has more watt... (4 to 5)

the new aipo, with the LED lighting inside, come with 5watts if i'm correct.

Arapan: the upgrade is pretty easy, i'm kinda on mobile its hard to copy paste everything for u, just google for the firmware, download it, open it, the software will teach u step by step how to do it, it will only take less then 5 minute to do it. or, u can wait till end of the month, possible the new 1.05 is coming.

chiahau: you very funny la =.= tell ppl easy rosak, then tell ppl can 1 to 1.... might as well skip the rosak part and tell them can exchange 1 to 1.... save ur time and trouble that lead to misunderstanding to some ppl that read skipping lines. =.= same thing with the lens, tell ppl how bad bad bad then say how good good good, ur argument always very contracting what you said. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

popfish: actually, any lens over 2k, if they have more then 6 stars, its a very good lens, to add it to full star, u can get them from the "skills". not the lens. if u have ability to overcome the lens weakness, that is where the extra stars of the lens comes from tongue.gif unless... unless... a over 2k lens only given 4/5 star, that lens we have to be careful, there must be a fault or reason why its rated that way. so... if i see someone show 6 star, i can make best out of the lens to look like 10 star lens. hope this teach u some 'rational thinking' rather then gearhead syndrome.

shootkk: 85Z and 85G. honestly, stop being a gearhead tongue.gif you are one of the best 'example' we use for gearhead when come to 85, because you shown ppl what you can do with 85 even thou its less then 1k lens. and u always scold ppl, if u dunno why u wan the lens, u are not prepare for it yet. same goes to u whistling.gif

my humble opinion, keep the money first, there is possible that sony will reamp all their lineup to weather seal, and high end lens will get SSM. even u dont plan to get those good one, then there will be plenty of cheaper old ones. ^^





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ieR : Yalah... I know... I scold people when they blur blur about what lens to buy... I know what lens to buy.. but problem is not enough money. hahahaha

Also I'm still human... so prone to being more emotional than logical. If I gearhead then early, early buy all the Zeiss already!

If I have money then I buy the 24 f2 Zeiss, the 85 f1.4 Zeiss and the 135 f1.8 Zeiss all one shot!!

You know lar... sometimes hands itchy, very hard to resist temptation.

That's why thinking of buying the 24 f2 Zeiss (emotional reasons) but after a while I start to think that I won't be using it much (logical side kicks in) so perhaps can buy a better 85mm lens.. then find out price so high. And the story ding dong, ding dong until no end lah! Haha!
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ieR : Yalah... I know... I scold people when they blur blur about what lens to buy... I know what lens to buy.. but problem is not enough money. hahahaha

Also I'm still human... so prone to being more emotional than logical. If I gearhead then early, early buy all the Zeiss already!

If I have money then I buy the 24 f2 Zeiss, the 85 f1.4 Zeiss and the 135 f1.8 Zeiss all one shot!!

You know lar... sometimes hands itchy, very hard to resist temptation.

That's why thinking of buying the 24 f2 Zeiss (emotional reasons) but after a while I start to think that I won't be using it much (logical side kicks in) so perhaps can buy a better 85mm lens.. then find out price so high. And the story ding dong, ding dong until no end lah! Haha!
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i just wan to mention that point, how often "can" you use. (not how often 'will' you use). 'will' is there, the 'chance' arent there. that why, keep the money... 2-3 keep till 6k, bring wife go japan, u can take pic, those pic from japan or euro or korea or aust or NZ or hawaii... is worth more then 999x zeiss 24 F2. the satisfaction is poisoning that u will start to plan the next trip before u reach malaysia...

the more lens we buy, the more redundant it becomes. i brought 70200, and its almost 1 year old, and i only used for a major event, one small bridal show, and once in a wedding, and once birding... so yes, 4 time... (sunday will be my 5th time, coz using it to shoot karate tournament). which made me kinda think i made the wrong move, as i shoot portrait so often, should have brought the 135z.

some expensive prime like 24Z(or the 135Z).... its only worth it if u push that lens like how u push the 85 F2.8.... what if u dont? then u will feel either regret that the money is stuck there and u are better off spending that money on another lens.... (same thing with me and my 70200)

i couldnt tell which is good for u, as i dont know ur shooting style, but i can say, u'll know what u really need.


Added on March 16, 2012, 6:34 pmhints: vacation. tongue.gif


Added on March 16, 2012, 6:36 pmthailand international motor show. go go go~ u come back, even ppl like kysham who u jelly got 7 zeiss lens also jelly back at u~ muahahahahahahahahah!

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thailand international motor show. go go go~ u come back, even ppl like kysham who u jelly got 7 zeiss lens also jelly back at u~ muahahahahahahahahah!
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hehehe.... I AM GOING TO THE BANGKOK MOTOR SHOW..... tongue.gif

and for the record, I don't have 7 zeiss lenses.....
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jimlim : You must be new here.... LOL!! If I wanted the Samyang I would have gotten it way before I got my 85mm f2.8 SAM. Fact is.. I am not a fan of manual focus lenses... Call me lazy or whatever but I like auto-focus.
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haha tongue.gif I like also 85 1.4G either CZ or minolta. But price turn me down. So far aim at Samyang but at no hurry smile.gif It is MF, but with A77 peaking/14x magnify shall work okay. need to have fun with 1650 SM 1st. Unsure if albnok or ier have tested Samyang 85 f1.4 vs Sony 85 f2.8 SAM. is yes can share share little sharing which are better for my future reference, in term of:

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the price, weight, solid built and aperture of these two I had known laugh.gif


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jimlim007: jim, the warranty should be able to process by service center. if they dont, means they arent following the protocol. u can try file a complaint on them.

the drybox, aipo, previous affected units are the adapter with 2w or below adapters. they will replace with new adapter that has more watt... (4 to 5)

the new aipo, with the LED lighting inside, come with 5watts if i'm correct.
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Ya, going to write the digital copy of letter complaint 'teng' the shop tongue.gif taken your input for Aipo smile.gif thanks yer notworthy.gif

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jimlim007: jim, the warranty should be able to process by service center. if they dont, means they arent following the protocol. u can try file a complaint on them.

the drybox, aipo, previous affected units are the adapter with 2w or below adapters. they will replace with new adapter that has more watt... (4 to 5)

the new aipo, with the LED lighting inside, come with 5watts if i'm correct.

Arapan: the upgrade is pretty easy, i'm kinda on mobile its hard to copy paste everything for u, just google for the firmware, download it, open it, the software will teach u step by step how to do it, it will only take less then 5 minute to do it. or, u can wait till end of the month, possible the new 1.05 is coming.

chiahau: you very funny la =.= tell ppl easy rosak, then tell ppl can 1 to 1.... might as well skip the rosak part and tell them can exchange 1 to 1.... save ur time and trouble that lead to misunderstanding to some ppl that read skipping lines. =.= same thing with the lens, tell ppl how bad bad bad then say how good good good, ur argument always very contracting what you said. rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

popfish: actually, any lens over 2k, if they have more then 6 stars, its a very good lens, to add it to full star, u can get them from the "skills". not the lens. if u have ability to overcome the lens weakness, that is where the extra stars of the lens comes from tongue.gif unless... unless... a over 2k lens only given 4/5 star, that lens we have to be careful, there must be a fault or reason why its rated that way. so... if i see someone show 6 star, i can make best out of the lens to look like 10 star lens. hope this teach u some 'rational thinking' rather then gearhead syndrome.

shootkk: 85Z and 85G. honestly, stop being a gearhead tongue.gif you are one of the best 'example' we use for gearhead when come to 85, because you shown ppl what you can do with 85 even thou its less then 1k lens. and u always scold ppl, if u dunno why u wan the lens, u are not prepare for it yet. same goes to u  whistling.gif

my humble opinion, keep the money first, there is possible that sony will reamp all their lineup to weather seal, and high end lens will get SSM. even u dont plan to get those good one, then there will be plenty of cheaper old ones. ^^
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CZ 24m f2 ssm <<<<< my target too tongue.gif ,
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Yealo shootkk.. that's why i until now only got tamron 17-50 f2.8... even though i may be able to afford a 35mm f1.8/50mm f1.8..

people ask me why i don't buy its because i feel that i wouldn't utilise it that often...and if it's going to lie in the dry box so often what's the point?

end of line is.. save money buy a99!!!!!!!! tongue.gif
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I realize after I've got the Z, no more lust already, should have gone straight to Z from the start...all those years wasted $$$ on those lenses

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hehehe.... I AM GOING TO THE BANGKOK MOTOR SHOW.....  tongue.gif

and for the record, I don't have 7 zeiss lenses.....
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wait wait, i wan slow down shooting girl, i wan shoot landscape tongue.gif nvm, end year i go japan backpacking photography trip. blek


Added on March 16, 2012, 10:14 pmshootkk, u can join sham for the motor show worrrr.... then u can pinjam take his zeiss and use. be my guest smile.gif

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Camera Sony NEX-3
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very nice perspective! rclxms.gif

can share the coloured version? smile.gif
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Tempting..

Alphanatics?
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aduhaiiii.... this weekend im not here la bro... going down south across the straits..
congratzzz anyway bro!


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The built in flash does a good work by not over exposing her face. just nice.  Soft skin mode works well too. PnS can do portraits too! tongue.gif
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thanks..

btw, you 'ter'chopped off the top of her head...

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Congrats!!!


QUOTE(lwliam @ Mar 16 2012, 11:38 PM)
aduhaiiii.... this weekend im not here la bro... going down south across the straits..
congratzzz anyway bro!


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thanks..

btw, you 'ter'chopped off the top of her head...
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Hmmm Purposely framed like that on purpose. biggrin.gif
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I'm kind of curious to ask ~ Any of the fixed focal lenses ~ Its better to choose the macro or the normal ? E.g Sony SAL-50F18 50mm f/1.8 DT AF or Sony SAL-50M28 50mmf/2.8 macro ?
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QUOTE(ahquan26 @ Mar 17 2012, 12:48 AM)
I'm kind of curious to ask ~ Any of the fixed focal lenses ~ Its better to choose the macro or the normal ? E.g Sony SAL-50F18 50mm f/1.8 DT AF or Sony SAL-50M28 50mmf/2.8 macro ?
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The price is already has different.. if you want that extra feature (macro) for sure need to top up moar money tongue.gif
Not sure about the focusing speed, usually macro lens focus bit slower than prime. (this is my opinion only)

aaa I really want macro lens... or want to test... just to know if worth it to get to replace raynox tongue.gif

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ahquan, macro primes and normal primes differs in 2 main aspects.

firstly, it's the maximum aperture. normal primes usually have larger max apertures which benefits low light shooting an thinner depth of field. a macro lens is usually limited to f/2.8. (the only exception i could think of the top of my head is the Tamron 60mm f/2.0 macro)

second, it's its macro capabilities. true macro lenses has the ability to magnify your subject to 1:1 ratio whereas a normal prime can't do that.

comparatively, macro lenses are nearly always more expensive than its equivalent focal length partner. (not taking f/1.4, f/1.2, f/1.0, f/0.95 into consideration of course)

weigh the pros and cons yourself to see which type of lens do you need more, brighter aperture or macro capabilities?
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Tempting..

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http://mansurovs.com/diseases-that-plague-photographers

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hope i'm not LBA tongue.gif thanks info
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Guys, just own A700 in around 3 month n not molest it to the fullest yet..
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Im just dont understand the sentence. Looks like the sentences didnt finish.

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Guys, just own A700 in around 3 month n not molest it to the fullest yet..
Just wonder, in the first page about wireless flash, can F58/43 on A700 trigger F56 or vice versa?
Im just dont understand the sentence. Looks like the sentences didnt finish.
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- Can use the pop-up flash to trigger off-camera: F36, F42, F43, F56, F58.

- Can use the F43 and F58 when set to CTRL+/CTRL1 (3-group wireless - CTRL, RMT, RMT2) namely the F42, F43 and F58.

- Cannot use the F20 to trigger off-camera flashes namely the F36, F42, F43, F56 and F58.

- Cannot use the F43 or F58 to trigger off-camera flashes in the CTRL/CTRL2 mode.

I didn't say that the F43/F58 can trigger the F56, so no, it cannot. The F43 can trigger the F58 and the F58 can trigger the F43 though.
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It's designated as a SAM lens thus it should be a budget lens. I reckon the lens can be a good starter for people wanting to test whether to go all-in-one or get more than one lens.
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Anyone interested in sandisk 16GB 45MB/s ? http://www.groupon.my/deals/national-deal/...aysia/715996506

interested to join me for 4 pieces ?
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i see, if ok, old a230 alpha body still handle 45m/s ?
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Not sure with this. you have to wait for other sifus to help you on that.  blush.gif
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Went to dgcolor in Ipoh road this evening to buy a drybox, all out of stock. Flash trigger also all out of stock. Everything out of stock. doh.gif anyways, thats not the point. I saw their 'wonderful' and another drybox brand, name starts with A one, the drybox door senget one. Workmanship very poor. Wondering whether is it normal or not? If it's all like this then what about aipo or octopus?
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Went to dgcolor in Ipoh road this evening to buy a drybox, all out of stock. Flash trigger also all out of stock. Everything out of stock. doh.gif anyways, thats not the point. I saw their 'wonderful' and another drybox brand, name starts with A one, the drybox door senget one. Workmanship very poor. Wondering whether is it normal or not? If it's all like this then what about aipo or octopus?
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ermmm... pardon me, but i thought the A77 can only go 12fps?
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ermmm... pardon me, but i thought the A77 can only go 12fps?
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I am using digi-cabi bought in Zaloon, so far so good
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ahpingko: i like #5!! nice..

porkchop: i think the #3 the keylight too harsh no? just my 2 cents..
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lwilliam, spot on.......my mistake, i think i meter on the dress instead, so it became over exposed, should have lighten it a lil........

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lwilliam, spot on.......my mistake, i think i meter on the dress instead, so it became over exposed, should have lighten it a lil........
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How's the workmanship? How many litres and how much? The A..... brand 60L RM450 wor. Don't know whether really 60L or not. Looks very small.
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mine is just 38litres but i forgot the price dy. workmanship is think is above average, so far i dont see any flaws
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guys ~~~ just bought in the A65 ~~ wanna check something ~~

RM2700 (body only ) + 1 bag + 8GB card ~~ am i bought it too expensive?

A65 using which class of SDHC card is the best for 16 GB ?

a lot of change compare to previous A200 i use ~~ dam need to catch up asap so i can fully use it in Korea soon ~~~
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QUOTE(Blooddust @ Mar 19 2012, 11:03 AM)
guys ~~~ just bought in the A65 ~~ wanna check something ~~

RM2700 (body only ) + 1 bag + 8GB card ~~ am i bought it too expensive?

A65 using which class of SDHC card is the best for 16 GB ?

a lot of change compare to previous A200 i use ~~ dam need to catch up asap so i can fully use it in Korea soon ~~~
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I sound reasonable for me. May i know where go brought it ? I plan to upgrade my A200 too. smile.gif
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I sound reasonable for me. May i know where go brought it ? I plan to upgrade my A200 too. smile.gif
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guys ~~~ just bought in the A65 ~~ wanna check something ~~

RM2700 (body only ) + 1 bag + 8GB card ~~ am i bought it too expensive?

A65 using which class of SDHC card is the best for 16 GB ?

a lot of change compare to previous A200 i use ~~ dam need to catch up asap so i can fully use it in Korea soon ~~~
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I think the price is ok. I am using sandisk extreme pro 95mb/s 16mb on my a65 bought from chiahau
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Retail price = RRP

RRP Dpreview got state already..

But so far no news yet, should be around April got news.
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QUOTE(Blooddust @ Mar 19 2012, 11:03 AM)
guys ~~~ just bought in the A65 ~~ wanna check something ~~

RM2700 (body only ) + 1 bag + 8GB card ~~ am i bought it too expensive?

A65 using which class of SDHC card is the best for 16 GB ?

a lot of change compare to previous A200 i use ~~ dam need to catch up asap so i can fully use it in Korea soon ~~~
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What if I say if for that price it's too expensive? What will you do then? LOL

Go and enjoy the camera that you have bought la... no looking back bro, the money is spent.. Have fun.. and congrats by the way! thumbup.gif
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What if I say if for that price it's too expensive? What will you do then? LOL

Go and enjoy the camera that you have bought la... no looking back bro, the money is spent.. Have fun.. and congrats by the way!  thumbup.gif
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fansoption: what story u telling under the bridge?? haha... i see multiple layer depth...
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Added on March 19, 2012, 8:23 pmwanna buy new lens... Can I get 55-200mm with a budget of RM500?? Possible?? If no then I will go for 50mm f/1.8.. sad.gif

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sugaring, I'm not that much a fan of low angle flash. The shadows on the face makes the model looks some sort of sinister.. unless that's what you're trying to go after.
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sugaring, I'm not that much a fan of low angle flash. The shadows on the face makes the model looks some sort of sinister.. unless that's what you're trying to go after.
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wireless flash from bottom left ..



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Heads-up

Sony releasing their own UHS-1 Series.

https://www.sony.com.hk/press/pdf/2012022001_e.pdf

Tempted to try this and compare with my current SanDisk
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eddybeh: Interesting crop!

Gmruleme: I like how #1 is balanced by the top-right overhanging tree and how #2 is the decisive moment. Boom!

chiahau: The 45MB/s write speed on the Sony is disappointing since we get 90MB/s write speed on the Sandisk.
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QUOTE(chiahau @ Mar 19 2012, 10:46 PM)
Heads-up

Sony releasing their own UHS-1 Series.

https://www.sony.com.hk/press/pdf/2012022001_e.pdf

Tempted to try this and compare with my current SanDisk
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Estimated price for 16gb?
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Estimated price for 16gb?
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The price there, multiply the HKD exchange rate lo?

Approx 100+ for 8gb, 200+ for 16gb

Should be similar with the price of our current 16gb UHS-1 cards.

@Albert - Abit disappointing. High read speed ( 94mb/s ) but write speed is halved, not as ideal as the SanDisk.
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QUOTE(albnok @ Mar 20 2012, 02:24 AM)
eddybeh: Interesting crop!

Gmruleme: I like how #1 is balanced by the top-right overhanging tree and how #2 is the decisive moment. Boom!

chiahau: The 45MB/s write speed on the Sony is disappointing since we get 90MB/s write speed on the Sandisk.
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i shock when seeing its price. after that found the same thing of the 45mb write speed. i see no advantage have lower write speed gain high read speed.
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hi speed read is as important. why? review will take several second to 'buffer' if u wanna quick scroll through. i think the UHS I is rebadge (or design taken/copyright) from sandisk UHS I 95®/45(w) card
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ieR: There is a Sandisk 95MB/s read, 45MB/s write?

The one I am talking about is the Sandisk 95MB/s read, 90MB/s write.

jimlim007: Indeed, not worth it for the A77, since it really needs fast write speeds to use 12 FPS.
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LOL then might as well buy from Sandisk if the price is the same. What was Sony thinking? doh.gif

Or maybe they are bundling this memory card for the a77 package then i have no complaints drool.gif
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QUOTE(zstan @ Mar 20 2012, 12:46 PM)
LOL then might as well buy from Sandisk if the price is the same. What was Sony thinking? doh.gif

Or maybe they are bundling this memory card for the a77 package then i have no complaints drool.gif
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if i will Prefer go for sandisk, high speed read/write rate

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QUOTE(albnok @ Mar 20 2012, 12:32 PM)
ieR: There is a Sandisk 95MB/s read, 45MB/s write?

The one I am talking about is the Sandisk 95MB/s read, 90MB/s write.

jimlim007: Indeed, not worth it for the A77, since it really needs fast write speeds to use 12 FPS.
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yes there is, that is why ppl sometimes buy the wrong card, both packaging look exactly the same, both with big "95mb/s" wording in front of the package misleading ppl (same as all card/pendrive that mislead ppl by 'pointing out the highest speed of the card, which is the read speed, not the write speed'

and yes, the 90mb write (95read) is definitely better. wonder sony will ever make them... since i suspect sony and sandisk has some partnership or shareholding since sandisk have the license to make memory stick...
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QUOTE(Zicron @ Mar 20 2012, 10:49 AM)
Not to forget Sony has this XQD memory drool.gif
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Which so far only D4 seemed to be able to use....

QUOTE(albnok @ Mar 20 2012, 12:32 PM)
ieR: There is a Sandisk 95MB/s read, 45MB/s write?

The one I am talking about is the Sandisk 95MB/s read, 90MB/s write.

jimlim007: Indeed, not worth it for the A77, since it really needs fast write speeds to use 12 FPS.
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I thought there is the

45mb/s write and 45mb/s read

And

90mb/s write and 95mb/s read

The 45mb/s is already discontinued, giving way for the new UHS-1 series.

QUOTE(zstan @ Mar 20 2012, 12:46 PM)
LOL then might as well buy from Sandisk if the price is the same. What was Sony thinking? doh.gif

Or maybe they are bundling this memory card for the a77 package then i have no complaints drool.gif
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You see the exchange rate and agak2 dy?

When I bought my 77, they gimme the Memory Stick that is 30mb/s write and read? Lol.

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ieR: Alright let's get to the sources:

http://www.sandisk.com/products/dslr/sandi...-i-memory-cards

So there is a 95MB/s read, 90MB/s write card. Where is the 95MB/s read, 45MB/s write card?
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ieR: Alright let's get to the sources:

http://www.sandisk.com/products/dslr/sandi...-i-memory-cards

So there is a 95MB/s read, 90MB/s write card. Where is the 95MB/s read, 45MB/s write card?
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it should under group SanDisk Extreme SDHC UHS-I , if you said 45M/s write ? nod.gif



http://shop.sandisk.com/DRHM/store?Action=...goryID=51956100

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it should under group SanDisk Extreme SDHC UHS-I , if you said 45M/s write ?  nod.gif
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What Albert is trying to say is, the 45mb/s one exist.

But the Sandisk Extreme UHS-1 45mb/s has the write and read speed of 45mb/s ONLY.

*Up to 45MB/s read/write speeds. Based on SanDisk internal testing; performance may be lower depending upon host device. 1 megabyte (MB) = 1 million bytes. X = 150KB/s. *

Compared to the ones that I and Albert is using, which is the Sandisk Extreme Pro UHS-1 that has a write speed of 90mb/s and read of 95mb/s

**Up to 95 MB/sec (633X) read speed. Write speed up to 90 MB/s (600X). Based on SanDisk internal testing; performance may be lower depending upon host device. 1 megabyte (MB) = 1 million bytes. X = 150KB/sec. **

He's asking iER where is the Sandisk Extreme/Extreme Pro/Etc which has the write speed of 45mb/s and the READ SPEED of 95mb/s

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What Albert is trying to say is, the 45mb/s one exist.

But the Sandisk Extreme UHS-1 45mb/s has the write and read speed of 45mb/s ONLY.

*Up to 45MB/s read/write speeds. Based on SanDisk internal testing; performance may be lower depending upon host device. 1 megabyte (MB) = 1 million bytes. X = 150KB/s. *

Compared to the ones that I and Albert is using, which is the Sandisk Extreme Pro UHS-1 that has a write speed of 90mb/s and read of 95mb/s

**Up to 95 MB/sec (633X) read speed. Write speed up to 90 MB/s (600X). Based on SanDisk internal testing; performance may be lower depending upon host device. 1 megabyte (MB) = 1 million bytes. X = 150KB/sec. **

He's asking iER where is the Sandisk Extreme/Extreme Pro/Etc which has the write speed of 45mb/s and the READ SPEED of 95mb/s
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noted thumbup.gif , just now a bit blur on r/w speed rclxub.gif

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over look alr, no big deal la smile.gif

this weekend gonna to test 12fps as just received my sandisk card. working come back alr night doh.gif btw, can we snap 12fps with curtain off?

bcos i like the shutter sound off curtain lol... laugh.gif
i can test thisat weekend, changed my question to more serious one, i experience one thing that what i look in LCd screen is not same to my LCD monitor at PC. in example, i shoot myself on white wall, i see in camera screen is white, but display the shot in PC LCD, i see obviously is not white, can have little dull - grey. what i can do for this to make both match.

yet i have not start trigger EVF vs camera LCD screen on the does it have similar thing.

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may be over look alr, no big deal la  smile.gif

this weekend gonna to test 12fps as just received my sandisk card. working come back alr night  doh.gif btw, can we snap 12fps with curtain off?

bcos i like the shutter sound off curtain lol...  laugh.gif
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jimmy ah jimmy.. what exactly are you trying to say?

try this or/and this

maybe then more people could reply you.

are you trying to say this?
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jimmy ah jimmy.. what exactly are you trying to say?

try this or/and this

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are you trying to say this?
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sound like this laugh.gif ?

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yet i have not start trigger EVF vs camera LCD screen on the does it have similar thing.
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still doesn't understand what you're trying to say here... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

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anyway, you need to be sure if your monitor is calibrated or not. a77's LCD screen and your PC LCD screen is having different technologies. Sony Trublack gives a very deep, contrasty output. Unless your monitor can match that, there's no way it will reproduce the same thing. Both the cam's LCD and EVF are boosted a bit than what you will see in regular pc screens - as a matter of fact, i find that the EVF is giving more muted tones in the highlights than it really is.

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porkchop : I like pic #3 best. The lighting is balanced. No. 2 for me the lighting is a bit unnatural. Feels too artificial but that could work for some high fashion shots. Pic # 1 - I like the lighting. The background is a bit distracting. My eyes kept being pulled to the colored lights in the background.

Now for the poses. I don't know many poses but this is what I know... you need to get the models to relax. Once they are relaxed, their poses will improve naturally. The models look quite stiff in your shots.
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comment sumore......where the girl shooters....pls teach me got more poses??


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that fler fly down when there's thing to do nia, like u all organize something.

anyway........ april we do something la.. sien ler
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After April 23rd, I'll be in KL full time till 20xx

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that fler fly down when there's thing to do nia, like u all organize something.

anyway........ april we do something la.. sien ler
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Err April 8th I'll be coming down for a trip, morning quite free. Evening need go watch basketball game with friends.

After April 23rd, I'll be in KL full time till 20xx

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no idea man.. even do some cliche stuff also i dont mind la... bird park or something.. butterfly park for macro?
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no idea man.. even do some cliche stuff also i dont mind la... bird park or something.. butterfly park for macro?
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Sugaring already offering ma XD

Just sit down and TT lo.. Talk about techs like geeks again LOL
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Amoi for the win la william..

Sugaring already offering ma XD

Just sit down and TT lo.. Talk about techs like geeks again LOL
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TT talk wat? poison only what.. better DO something WITH the camera instead of just TALKING COCK about camera la... way more productive
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I just gave some ideas up there right?
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TT talk wat? poison only what.. better DO something WITH the camera instead of just TALKING COCK about camera la... way more productive
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no idea man.. even do some cliche stuff also i dont mind la... bird park or something.. butterfly park for macro?
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bird park  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(shootkk @ Mar 21 2012, 09:22 AM)
porkchop : I like pic #3 best. The lighting is balanced. No. 2 for me the lighting is a bit unnatural. Feels too artificial but that could work for some high fashion shots. Pic # 1 - I like the lighting. The background is a bit distracting. My eyes kept being pulled to the colored lights in the background.

Now for the poses. I don't know many poses but this is what I know... you need to get the models to relax. Once they are relaxed, their poses will improve naturally. The models look quite stiff in your shots.
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hi kk thanks for the comment...... can be improved
the lighting quite weird rite?? this was shot using the led video light as light source....was trying out cos someone brought it to try....maybe i should have used a flash light instead??


edit: oops using my frens account again : porkchop here

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need suggestion....should i get the Sony 50mm 1.8 or the Minolta 50mm 1.7rs ..considering the Minolta due to build quality..not sure about the IQ difference b/w the two..
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-it might be the Minolta f1.7 if you would got to full frame in the future.

great build quality, compact,low distortion, quick focusing & low color fringing.




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javed, (popfish): erm my advise go for 50 F1.8. after playing around with 50 F1.4, F1.8 and F1.7, the minolta somehow started to be sharp at 2.8 (f2.5 if u get good copy) where else, sal50F1.8 can be sharp at F1.8(f2.0 if u get lemon copy)

even for the reason "FF in future" i will still stick with 50F1.8, when u go FF< then only u sell ur F1.8 and grab a 50F1.4. but what if u never go FF? the sal50F1.8 SAM is suitable for video vs minolta F1.7!
OR, instead of getting 50F1.7, save a little more straight go for 2nd hand 50F1.4 is around 850myr.

thats my reasoning. in the old days before F1.8, we had only KM50F1.7 or KM/SAL50F1.4 and many still got for 50F1.4 for sharpness at F1.4/(or sweet spot at F2.0)

Kysham: i jelllyyy!!! when back must post banyak pic here worrrr!!!!
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javed, (popfish):

even for the reason "FF in future" i will still stick with 50F1.8, when u go FF< then only u sell ur F1.8 and grab a 50F1.4. but what if u never go FF?

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javed, (popfish): erm my advise go for 50 F1.8. after playing around with 50 F1.4, F1.8 and F1.7, the minolta somehow started to be sharp at 2.8 (f2.5 if u get good copy) where else, sal50F1.8 can be sharp at F1.8(f2.0 if u get lemon copy)

even for the reason "FF in future" i will still stick with 50F1.8, when u go FF< then only u sell ur F1.8 and grab a 50F1.4. but what if u never go FF? the sal50F1.8 SAM is suitable for video vs minolta F1.7!
OR, instead of getting 50F1.7, save a little more straight go for 2nd hand 50F1.4 is around 850myr.

thats my reasoning. in the old days before F1.8, we had only KM50F1.7 or KM/SAL50F1.4 and many still got for 50F1.4 for sharpness at F1.4/(or sweet spot at F2.0)

Kysham: i jelllyyy!!! when back must post banyak pic here worrrr!!!!
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noted rclxms.gif , as i know km50f1.7 from f 2.8 until f 2.2 is most sharp pic quality, agree with sal50F1.8 SAM is suitable for video vs minolta F1.7.
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Quite Impossible you can find for now, as all 1650 is bundled with A77....

Unless the guy is extra nice and don't need the 1650 for a reason....
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QUOTE(Arapan @ Mar 22 2012, 02:08 PM)
Availavle in Sony Store online. Pls Check it out.
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https://store.sony.com.my/ProductListing/Su....aspx?catid=114

Tak nampak pun?

Unless you mean the USA website, which I never check.
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which is better ..16-50f2.8 or 16-80z ?
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which is better ..16-50f2.8 or 16-80z ?
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Or the 16105 tongue.gif

Prefer the 1650 for the fast aperture.

1680Z is pretty sharp, Nutz has it, I think.

Ahstong has the 16105 and 1650 and did a comparison somewhere before.

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if u want clear winner, Sony 1650 2.8 SSM

I purchase SAL16105 around April 2009, and own it until now. I like this lens very much, good range, good sharpness, good color. Very good for travel, landscape, for indoor u need a flash.

I used to have Tammy 1750 for about 6-9months forgot de. overall ok, but i don really like the color, contrast and sharpness at 2.8 is so so. Step down to 4 - 5.6 to get better sharpness. thus i sell it

Purchase A77 + 1650 2.8 SSM. now i love this very much, super fast, silent, sharp, nice color, nice contrast...

now i keep asking myself should i sell the 16105...but i still love it for the range

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chia hau & ayu: i think i saw some1 selling in alphanatics. forgot what name, he sell body+ kit / body only/ lens only

edit: found it http://alphanatics.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=26192

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QUOTE(eddybeh @ Mar 22 2012, 04:14 PM)
chia hau & ayu: i think i saw some1 selling in alphanatics. forgot what name, he sell body+ kit / body only/ lens only
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Warranty tied to the body if i recalled correctly.

So, your lens is at the mercy of the owner of the body.

Not worth it at all.


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Fotokem pyramid / boeing the mines quote me 16-50 for rm 2450-2550 bout 2 weeks ago.

it is sold seperately.
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QUOTE(sugaring @ Mar 21 2012, 03:52 PM)
bird park  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

april 8th morning?
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i also go with 70-300 ... but tammy  whistling.gif  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Zhao @ Mar 22 2012, 04:23 PM)
Fotokem pyramid / boeing the mines quote me 16-50 for rm 2450-2550 bout 2 weeks ago.

it is sold seperately.
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Weird.

Comes with a physical box like the rest of the Sony lens?
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Weird.

Comes with a physical box like the rest of the Sony lens?
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Yea. just like the other lens with a new box.
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QUOTE(chiahau @ Mar 22 2012, 04:02 PM)
Or the 16105 tongue.gif

Prefer the 1650 for the fast aperture.

1680Z is pretty sharp, Nutz has it, I think.

Ahstong has the 16105 and 1650 and did a comparison somewhere before.

Quote --

if u want clear winner, Sony 1650 2.8 SSM

I purchase SAL16105 around April 2009, and own it until now. I like this lens very much, good range, good sharpness, good color. Very good for travel, landscape, for indoor u need a flash.

I used to have Tammy 1750 for about 6-9months forgot de. overall ok, but i don really like the color, contrast and sharpness at 2.8 is so so. Step down to 4 - 5.6 to get better sharpness. thus i sell it

Purchase A77 + 1650 2.8 SSM. now i love this very much, super fast, silent, sharp, nice color, nice contrast...

now i keep asking myself should i sell the 16105...but i still love it for the range

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terima kasih abang ! i still prefer Z colour over 16-105 but like the faster 2.8 1650. so i think 1680 n 1650 both have their own pros n cons


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QUOTE(soket @ Mar 22 2012, 04:34 PM)
y sunday  shakehead.gif
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because abang chiahau coming over ! rclxms.gif


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QUOTE(chiahau @ Mar 22 2012, 05:10 PM)
Weird.

Comes with a physical box like the rest of the Sony lens?
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i heard that sony klcc also selling it separately.

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terima kasih abang ! i still prefer Z colour over 16-105 but like the faster 2.8 1650. so i think 1680 n 1650 both have their own pros n cons


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because abang chiahau coming over !  rclxms.gif


Added on March 22, 2012, 5:21 pm

i heard that sony klcc also selling it separately.
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If so, then okay la. Since you said got physical box and etc, why not buy? XDDD

See what outing lo.. Shoot bird, I 1 tele pun tarak XD
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QUOTE(sugaring @ Mar 22 2012, 05:20 PM)
terima kasih abang ! i still prefer Z colour over 16-105 but like the faster 2.8 1650. so i think 1680 n 1650 both have their own pros n cons


Added on March 22, 2012, 5:20 pm

because abang chiahau coming over !  rclxms.gif


Added on March 22, 2012, 5:21 pm

i heard that sony klcc also selling it separately.
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Actually the 16105 and 1680z, the dif is really not much, in term of color and sharpness, contrast maybe

b4 i got my 16105, i got a very good offer from a ex-Alpha user @ 1800 2 months lens. but i choose the 16105 new @ 1630.

the reason is simply, 1) i need longer reach, 2) the earlier version of 1680 got quality issue (gear problem)

the 1650 not just brighter/faster, but with the SSM, it make the lens get focus super fast especially pair with A77

i was hoping this new A77 kit less is the rumors 1680 2.8-3.5 G SSM whereby 16-50 at constant 2.8

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/new-sony-dt...patent-spotted/
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QUOTE(Zhao @ Mar 22 2012, 04:23 PM)
Fotokem pyramid / boeing the mines quote me 16-50 for rm 2450-2550 bout 2 weeks ago.

it is sold seperately.
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Shashinki also sold this lens at RM2450. sad.gif
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I think I saw it in KLCC Sony Style last Wed. They are selling it seperately : 16-50 Price RM2+++. Pls check it out.
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ya, still using, wait ya... i korek 1st... any preference? bugs? want without watermark? ur email address, i send to u.

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QUOTE(chiahau @ Mar 22 2012, 05:29 PM)
If so, then okay la. Since you said got physical box and etc, why not buy? XDDD

See what outing lo.. Shoot bird, I 1 tele pun tarak XD
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lu ada smart teleconverter
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lu ada smart teleconverter
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what's wrong with that?
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what's wrong with that?
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what's wrong with that?
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what's wrong with that?
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Manyak funny, use smart teleconverter to shoot burung @.@
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This is why, when you invite foreign models over, you better plan it properly unlike some hero here.

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dynamic range and EV so high, high iso up to 2850 mark... keng! i still catch no ball ppl say high MP no good hmm.gif

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chopsticks on display.... *run before being killed by hordes of fans~!*
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Dont worry Mr. sham...i support you!!!
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Dont worry Mr. sham...i support you!!!
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Nais, nais..... please chase nutz so i can rest. running is tired for old man like me. tongue.gif

p/s: that birdie shot, any sharpening done?
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Nais, nais..... please chase nutz so i can rest. running is tired for old man like me.  tongue.gif

p/s: that birdie shot, any sharpening done?
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yes abit of sharpening as you can see from the highlighted area...and tweaked the contrast abit since the colour not that vibrant...
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Currently eye-ing on either
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2. Tamron 70-300

Which one is recommended? Both almost same price range.
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Lacus, get the 55-200 ver.II (aka SAM version)
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Lacus, get the 55-200 ver.II (aka SAM version)
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aside from compability with FF dslr, any other main difference from the v1? And Tamron not recommended? (although further in terms of zoom)
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QUOTE(Lacus @ Mar 24 2012, 10:19 PM)
aside from compability with FF dslr, any other main difference from the v1? And Tamron not recommended? (although further in terms of zoom)
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version one is screw driven and always has the possibility to get <omg i cant remember the term>.
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QUOTE(Lacus @ Mar 24 2012, 10:19 PM)
aside from compability with FF dslr, any other main difference from the v1? And Tamron not recommended? (although further in terms of zoom)
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version 1 AND version 2 of the 55-200 SAL/SAM also isn't a full frame lens... both are designed for APSC only. main difference between this 2 is one is screw driven (SAL), while the SAM has motor built in inside the lens (which supposedly is quieter than the non-SAM version). Optically, both are very good. Better than the Tamron even.

the Tamron 70-300 on the other hand, is a full frame lens.

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version one is screw driven and always has the possibility to get <omg i cant remember the term>.
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^ and that is why u hetchu

you mean gear strip?

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version one is screw driven and always has the possibility to get <omg i cant remember the term>.
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QUOTE(lwliam @ Mar 24 2012, 10:34 PM)
version 1 AND version 2 of the 55-200 SAL/SAM also isn't a full frame lens... both are designed for APSC only.
^ and that is why u hetchu

you mean gear strip?
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QUOTE(lwliam @ Mar 24 2012, 10:34 PM)
version 1 AND version 2 of the 55-200 SAL/SAM also isn't a full frame lens... both are designed for APSC only. main difference between this 2 is one is screw driven (SAL), while the SAM has motor built in inside the lens (which supposedly is quieter than the non-SAM version). Optically, both are very good. Better than the Tamron even.

the Tamron 70-300 on the other hand, is a full frame lens.
^ and that is why u hetchu

you mean gear strip?
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ZSTAN, your pictas NOT SHARPPPPPPPPPPPP....

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Eii Zstan, sudah overloaded la with SNSD picta....
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i spam Alodia then you know

ZSTAN, your pictas NOT SHARPPPPPPPPPPPP....

THIS.IS.WAY.BETTER.AND.SHARPER

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where got? i am demonstrating how bad a TX10 can be in high ISO...  unsure.gif
wah thank you for the high res pic  drool.gif

nah give u one more pic as reward  laugh.gif  :

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why your turn to hate me?  sad.gif  china also very nice what  unsure.gif
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planning to fund for new lens soon.
Currently eye-ing on either
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2. Tamron 70-300

Which one is recommended? Both almost same price range.
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go for 55-200 SAM!!!
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QUOTE(Lacus @ Mar 24 2012, 09:48 PM)
planning to fund for new lens soon.
Currently eye-ing on either
1. Sony 55-200 (2 versions though)
2. Tamron 70-300

Which one is recommended? Both almost same price range.
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are you a video user? if u shoot video a lot or seriously plan to shoot with tele effect (snipe)... u only have one choice, the 55-200 SAM. (before someone shoot with with 70300 USD, lacus did mention "almost the same price range".

the tamron is good too. sharp, F4 till 135mm(if i recall)

do u do a lot indoor shooting over dinner/outing/events? the 55mm starting is a lot friendlier to use indoor, as its wide enough to shoot group of 3 ppl a table away compare to 70mm. also, the 300 is kinda, not highly advised due to indoor = low light = easier prone to have blur photo from shake, the 200 is more then enough.

If u do a lot outdoor, do not video at all, the tamron70300 is good for daytime. and highly recommended too.


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I finally got the grand master of bokeh - the Sony 135mm F2.8/T4.5 Smooth Transition Focus! This is the undisputed king of rendering a smooth, clean and undistracting out-of-focus area.

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The STF is physically a 135mm F2.8 lens, but because of the apodization filter inside that darkens the periphery of the lens, it effectively lets in as much light as a F4.5 lens. Hence the T4.5 suffix (T for effective light Transmission).

Also, the lens is manual focus only - which makes it the only Minolta/Sony A-mount lens that is manual focus. The reason why is because the apodization filter causes a graduation coming from opposite ends, making it impossible for phase-detect AF to work. I've explained this in another blog post.

You can tell immediately that the lens is the STF from the back, from the cross-shaped AF screw drive screw (it stops the AF screw drive from turning) and only 5 pins.

The only Sony lenses with 5 pins are:
1) Sony 16mm F2.8 Diagonal Fisheye
2) Sony 20mm F2.8
3) Sony 28mm F2.8
4) Sony 135mm F2.8/T4.5 Smooth Transition Focus
5) Sony 500mm F8 Reflex

There shouldn't be any reason why any of these lenses don't get a Distance Integration chip, other than Sony not having the resources or time to migrate them from their Minolta versions.

Interestingly, SSM lenses have a flat screw with a small circle inside, although its purpose is the same - to stop the AF screw drive from turning.

This lens is on the end of every A-mount user's wishlist - meaning you'd get every other lens you wanted, before this one. It is such a luxury (not that it is expensive) but it is such an optional want-to-have instead of a must-have. It doesn't help that it's manual-focus only and doesn't transmit much. I wonder if they could've made a 85mm F1.4 with the same apodization filter, which would bring it down to 85mm F1.4/T2.2!

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Normal lenses will draw out-of-focus areas with a hard, solid brush (quite like the Photoshop screenshot on the left.) The STF, however, paints out-of-focus areas with a soft, shaded brush (on the right.)

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So here's one from the Carl Zeiss 135mm F1.8, set to F2.8, on the A900...

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...and one from the Sony 135mm F2.8/T4.5 Smooth Transition Focus, set to F2.8/T4.5, on the A900. The difference in rendition should be obvious!

You might also notice that the STF gives a tighter angle-of-view - this is because it extends when focusing, while the Carl Zeiss 135mm F1.8 has an internal focus mechanism. Internal focus mechanisms tend to make the angle-of-view wider as it focuses closer - thus the only time the Carl Zeiss 135mm F1.8 is truly 135mm is when it is focused at infinity.

It focuses to 87cm close with a maximum magnification of 1:4x - interestingly, the Carl Zeiss 135mm F1.8 also does a maximum magnification of 1:4x, but when focused to 72cm close (obviously, due to the wider angle-of-view.)

The STF also uniquely has 2 sets of aperture blades - it uses the set of 10 blades in manual aperture control mode, from T4.5 to T6.7 (stepless, but with clicks), or the set of 9 blades when set to A (auto). However, I have not tested this extensively as I have had no reason to stop down the lens!

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Meanwhile, this is from the Carl Zeiss 135mm F1.8 at F1.8. I think you should be able to tell the difference between the STF and any other lens by now.

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The background just melts into creamy goodness here.

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You can try to put a distracting background, and it smoothens out nevertheless!

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How about some harsh sunlight?

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Magic hour. Here, the shading of the out-of-focus highlights is obvious. Also, the lens is remarkably free of cats-eye bokeh - where out-of-focus areas on the side become cats-eye shaped instead of perfectly round circles. This might be because the lens is much bigger in diameter compared to a regular 135mm F2.8.

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Another street shot. Many would say that T4.5 is unliveable but I would not fear high ISO and a competent RAW processor!

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I have to admit, I haven't been shooting much street photography with a telephoto.

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In the right kind of light, it can still get by!

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Another indoor shot.

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I have always had a shot like this in my mind - I just need to find more appropriate locations.

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And then, I took it out in bright daylight...

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Congratulations Syazwan (signither) and Nadiah!

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Unfortunately, as the bush on the right was at the same distance to me as they were, it was in sharp focus. Photoshop CS5.5's Content-Aware Fill is magical, yes, but it didn't work so well for this!
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This would be the day debut of this lens.

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The classic Minolta color is all there.

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Note how the sky peeking through the trees is not distracting.

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By distracting, I mean like this - this was shot with a Minolta 50mm F1.7. So you see what I mean by bad bokeh? That sharp outline, around out-of-focus highlights, is called brightline bokeh.

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50 mm 2.8 is it gooding or not? for portrait, street photography and macro?
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Awesome review of the STF. Hope to see more shots soon! drool.gif
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The STF level of creamy indeed looks like an F4 bokeh even at F2.8.
I'm still not quite understand on the apodization filter thinge. The STF at F2.8 still gathers the same amount of light as 135F1.8@F2.8, and only OOF rendition are softened by the filter?


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QUOTE(e-jump @ Mar 25 2012, 11:31 AM)
The STF level of creamy indeed looks like an F4 bokeh even at F2.8.
I'm still not quite understand on the apodization filter thinge. The STF at F2.8 still gathers the same amount of light as 135F1.8@F2.8, and only OOF rendition are softened by the filter?

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go for 55-200 SAM!!!
its super bang for buck!!! thumbup.gif
my previous post (bird photo) is taken by that lens sweat.gif

another 55-200 SAM shot
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Thanks for the reply. Decided already. Can lend yours to play around ar biggrin.gif
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or you can choose 18-270mm pzd more better.  1 lens shoot all  laugh.gif  (general purpose la)
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1 lens is below 1k range, another is near 2k range =,=
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Anyone know where to get Rokinon's A-Mount lenses in Malaysia ?
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Ohh and I'm quite curious about the standard of pricing for the products, the price for buying in the origin country is still the same right ?

E.g. > A77 made in Thailand and buying there. rolleyes.gif

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Ohh and I'm quite curious about the standard of pricing for the products, the price for buying in the origin country is still the same right ?

E.g. > A77 made in Thailand and buying there.  rolleyes.gif
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A77 made in Thailand and branded under Sony.

So, pricing wise, Sony likely to control it to a similar pricing.

You buy from Thailand, no warranty in Malaysia for what?
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I've fixed the link in my first posting to the blog post about why the STF is MF only.

Gmruleme:

50mm on full frame gives a very natural angle of view, neither wide nor tele.

30mm on APS-C gives nearly the same angle of view.

Both of these - the natural angle of view - are very nice for close-ups. A shorter focal length means you don't need to stop down the aperture so much to get everything in focus.

Telephoto macro lenses however are better for insects.

Some people think portraits need telephotos but portraits can also be environmental, meaning they involve the background as well, or tell a story as to what the person does.

Thus:
50mm on FF/30mm on APS-C good for environmental portraits, street, product macro/closeups
50mm on APS-C good for portraits, street
90mm on FF/APS-C onwards good for portraits, street, insect macro

e-jump: No, the apodization filter is like a ND filter, on the sides.

The STF at F2.8/T4.5 gathers the same amount of light as the Zeiss 135mm F1.8 at F4.5.
The STF at F2.8/T4.5 has the same depth of field as the Zeiss 135mm F1.8 at F2.8.

Wah, is it cosplay everyday there?

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Guys I have a question.

Lets say you have a receiver with a base like this and a light stand like this. How do you connect the flash trigger to the light stand? If you say you use this, how to connect the trigger to the holder? Help please. icon_question.gif

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Harga beza banyak bang....

1 lens is below 1k range, another is near 2k range =,=
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QUOTE(Newbieeeeee @ Mar 25 2012, 06:32 PM)
Guys I have a question.

Lets say you have a receiver with a base like
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What kind of question is that?
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QUOTE(lwliam @ Mar 25 2012, 06:35 PM)
What kind of question is that?
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But 18270 not that bad.
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how to get this kind of lighting? big soft box in front? behind also macam got light hmm.gif

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QUOTE(albnok @ Mar 25 2012, 05:42 PM)
e-jump: No, the apodization filter is like a ND filter, on the sides.

The STF at F2.8/T4.5 gathers the same amount of light as the Zeiss 135mm F1.8 at F4.5.
The STF at F2.8/T4.5 has the same depth of field as the Zeiss 135mm F1.8 at F2.8.

Wah, is it cosplay everyday there?
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nah, it was a pure luck that they were having some outings when I was in Tokyo to hunt for used items.
everyweek, they have outing at different places around japan.


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i watched this video some time back...thought it might help...
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QUOTE(Newbieeeeee @ Mar 25 2012, 06:32 PM)
Guys I have a question.

Lets say you have a receiver with a base like this and a light stand like this. How do you connect the flash trigger to the light stand? If you say you use this, how to connect the trigger to the holder? Help please.  icon_question.gif
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just use them. the bottom of the trigger is like normal hotshoe shape, the braket can clamp it with no problem.
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i watched this video some time back...thought it might help...
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just use them. the bottom of the trigger is like normal hotshoe shape, the braket can clamp it with no problem.
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OHHHHH I get it! Okay okay thanks. Was wondering how on earth am I supposed to use it. Thanks!
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Just went through a poisoning photosession!
Played with the 16-50 SSM and it is really good!!!
here is a test shot @ f 2.8 wide open...its damn sharp!
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wow. ISO 800 so clean.
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daytime, shooting at iso1600, (turning off NR) will give u sharp photo like iso400 at night. turning off the NR (or to low) so the engine wont "artificially softening and sharpening" causing worst IQ, since with sufficient light, noise dont really appear.
(was force to shoot bird at iso1600 coz i need 1/1000 to freeze the water splash when they dive to catch fish~, and there is when i found out the use of "off/lo NR" option in the menu)

and noise even appear at iso100 in shadow area.
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QUOTE(zstan @ Mar 25 2012, 07:55 PM)
how to get this kind of lighting? big soft box in front? behind also macam got light  hmm.gif
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Ok... for those who are a bit lazy to watch video (like me) here's a general way to light up the pic like in the quote:

1. You need a 3-light set up.
2. One main light on one side of subject.
3. One fill light on the opposite side of main light.
4. One light to blast at the background (which is a white seamless surface).

Adjust the above to your liking. Diffuse to taste.

Then you meter for the face and the overexpose a little to get the high key look.


That's it! biggrin.gif
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50 1.4 or 16-50 SSM???? hmm.gif hmm.gif

give me some review about 50 1.4 please tongue.gif
i havent have the time to try the lens....

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QUOTE(shootkk @ Mar 26 2012, 09:09 AM)
Ok... for those who are a bit lazy to watch video (like me) here's a general way to light up the pic like in the quote:

1. You need a 3-light set up.
2. One main light on one side of subject.
3. One fill light on the opposite side of main light.
4. One light to blast at the background (which is a white seamless surface).

Adjust the above to your liking. Diffuse to taste.

Then you meter for the face and the overexpose a little to get the high key look.
That's it!  biggrin.gif
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tips:
using 2 light to black the back is better then 1.

the 2 light blasting the back will naturally create a rimlight around ur subject.

so u dont really need a fill light for opposite side, just use one main light to shape the desire shadow.
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Mar 26 2012, 09:09 AM)
Ok... for those who are a bit lazy to watch video (like me) here's a general way to light up the pic like in the quote:

1. You need a 3-light set up.
2. One main light on one side of subject.
3. One fill light on the opposite side of main light.
4. One light to blast at the background (which is a white seamless surface).

Adjust the above to your liking. Diffuse to taste.

Then you meter for the face and the overexpose a little to get the high key look.
That's it!  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ieR @ Mar 26 2012, 09:46 AM)
tips:
using 2 light to black the back is better then 1.

the 2 light blasting the back will naturally create a rimlight around ur subject.

so u dont really need a fill light for opposite side, just use one main light to shape the desire shadow.
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50 1.4 or 16-50 SSM???? hmm.gif  hmm.gif

give me some review about 50 1.4 please  tongue.gif
i havent have the time to try the lens....
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BATTLE OF THE MASTAS~!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I got, come, ajak me minum teh sometime next week... weekdays night would be better wink.gif
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ieR: Thanks for the tips! Now we are learning! Haha!

Nutz748: There's only a two word review for the Sony 50mm f1.4

BUY IT!

You won't be disappointed unless you get a lemon copy.

That said, should you decide to sell it off after getting it, I am sure there will be willing buyers to get it off your hands.

Some pics from this lens:

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ieR: Thanks for the tips! Now we are learning! Haha!

Nutz748: There's only a two word review for the Sony 50mm f1.4

BUY IT!

You won't be disappointed unless you get a lemon copy.

That said, should you decide to sell it off after getting it, I am sure there will be willing buyers to get it off your hands.

Some pics from this lens:
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nutz, please note that these pics are also from FF.. lulz
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ieR: Thanks for the tips! Now we are learning! Haha!

Nutz748: There's only a two word review for the Sony 50mm f1.4

BUY IT!

You won't be disappointed unless you get a lemon copy.

That said, should you decide to sell it off after getting it, I am sure there will be willing buyers to get it off your hands.

Some pics from this lens:
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QUOTE(lwliam @ Mar 26 2012, 10:21 AM)
nutz, please note that these pics are also from FF.. lulz
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belum try belum tahu...
have to decide which lens is "hari hari mau" biggrin.gif

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50F1.4? its sooooo good, i brought one! (even thought i already owned one)... yea, i have 2 50mm F1.4... why? (read the 3 words after the '?' in my reply)
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50F1.4? its sooooo good, i brought one! (even thought i already owned one)... yea, i have 2 50mm F1.4... why? (read the 3 words after the '?' in my reply)
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*bought*
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Nutz - Lu sudah ada 1680 mau beli 1650 buat apa?

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QUOTE(chiahau @ Mar 26 2012, 11:34 AM)
Nutz - Lu sudah ada 1680 mau beli 1650 buat apa?

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Newbieeeeee: Looks very much possible - go there, assemble it, and test it out!

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It's grammar not grammer.

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*grammer nazi*

*bought*
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lwliam: *spelling Nazi comes in*

It's grammar not grammer.


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albnok: price already increasE?  blush.gif
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Think its still that price, hoping my supplier got old stocks leftovers then XD
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It's around 3k++ last time..

Think its still that price, hoping my supplier got old stocks leftovers then XD
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sugaring: You can't - you need a AF confirm chip, that tells the camera the focal length so it can compensate accordingly.

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That mean is worth to have it ? most review is about 9/10 marks  smile.gif
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Don't ask me why, it's just so..

The 24 f2 is good enough for almost everything. Albert has it, and he will swear by it that its that good tongue.gif
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Not a very fantastic shot but somehow I kinda like this pic... [FB quality]

NEX 3 with beercan

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Not a very fantastic shot but somehow I kinda like this pic... [FB quality]

NEX 3 with beercan
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My 1680z stopped working earlier this month during my vacation (make a strong gear sound when switched on and will not focus. When dismounted from camera, the focus ring can only turn a bit near 1m to infinity). So i sent it to the Sony service center in the Curve for checking.

Today the quotation come back, the technician said my lens motor is broken and the total cost for repair is RM889 (!!!). sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif

That is just too costly to repair! So i need some advise from you all if you have experience in this. From what i see, i've got a few option:

1. Bite the bullet and ask Sony to repair for RM889
2. Send it to other shop for repair (anyone can recommend any?)
3. Don't repair and buy new lens (cost even more money!)

Also, I bought this lens in 2009 so the warranty has long expired.

Hope my fellow forummer can give me some advise
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QUOTE(NutZ748 @ Mar 26 2012, 02:53 PM)
LA EA2??  flex.gif
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Nope, just a cheap and cheerful China made adapter I got from ebay.


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QUOTE(weixuan @ Mar 26 2012, 02:57 PM)
My 1680z stopped working earlier this month during my vacation (make a strong gear sound when switched on and will not focus. When dismounted from camera, the focus ring can only turn a bit near 1m to infinity). So i sent it to the Sony service center in the Curve for checking.

Today the quotation come back, the technician said my lens motor is broken and the total cost for repair is RM889 (!!!). sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif

That is just too costly to repair! So i need some advise from you all if you have experience in this. From what i see, i've got a few option:

1. Bite the bullet and ask Sony to repair for RM889
2. Send it to other shop for repair (anyone can recommend any?)
3. Don't repair and buy new lens (cost even more money!)

Also, I bought this lens in 2009 so the warranty has long expired.

Hope my fellow forummer can give me some advise
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You can try a couple of shops... here's the list I made some time ago

http://williamleong.blogspot.com/2010/11/n...pus-tamron.html

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QUOTE(weixuan @ Mar 26 2012, 02:57 PM)
My 1680z stopped working earlier this month during my vacation (make a strong gear sound when switched on and will not focus. When dismounted from camera, the focus ring can only turn a bit near 1m to infinity). So i sent it to the Sony service center in the Curve for checking.

Today the quotation come back, the technician said my lens motor is broken and the total cost for repair is RM889 (!!!). sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif

That is just too costly to repair! So i need some advise from you all if you have experience in this. From what i see, i've got a few option:

1. Bite the bullet and ask Sony to repair for RM889
2. Send it to other shop for repair (anyone can recommend any?)
3. Don't repair and buy new lens (cost even more money!)

Also, I bought this lens in 2009 so the warranty has long expired.

Hope my fellow forummer can give me some advise
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OK deal! *taking the lens that i took these pics tongue.gif *
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Might as well sell off all my alpha gear and go for Nex fully then.
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QUOTE(weixuan @ Mar 26 2012, 02:57 PM)
My 1680z stopped working earlier this month during my vacation (make a strong gear sound when switched on and will not focus. When dismounted from camera, the focus ring can only turn a bit near 1m to infinity). So i sent it to the Sony service center in the Curve for checking.

Today the quotation come back, the technician said my lens motor is broken and the total cost for repair is RM889 (!!!). sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif

That is just too costly to repair! So i need some advise from you all if you have experience in this. From what i see, i've got a few option:

1. Bite the bullet and ask Sony to repair for RM889
2. Send it to other shop for repair (anyone can recommend any?)
3. Don't repair and buy new lens (cost even more money!)

Also, I bought this lens in 2009 so the warranty has long expired.

Hope my fellow forummer can give me some advise
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that the reason why i choose 16105 over 1680 when i got a crazy offer with 2 months lens @ RM1800 back on year 2009. as i know there is build quality issue on those day's 1680.
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that the reason why i choose 16105 over 1680 when i got a crazy offer with 2 months lens @ RM1800 back on year 2009. as i know there is build quality issue on those day's 1680.
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The 16105 will also gear strip I think.

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I was wondering if you can ask Sony to just remove the dead motor or the gear attached with that motor. In that case you might be able to use it as manual focus lense (as far as my analysis suggests).


QUOTE(weixuan @ Mar 26 2012, 02:57 PM)
My 1680z stopped working earlier this month during my vacation (make a strong gear sound when switched on and will not focus. When dismounted from camera, the focus ring can only turn a bit near 1m to infinity). So i sent it to the Sony service center in the Curve for checking.

Today the quotation come back, the technician said my lens motor is broken and the total cost for repair is RM889 (!!!). sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif

That is just too costly to repair! So i need some advise from you all if you have experience in this. From what i see, i've got a few option:

1. Bite the bullet and ask Sony to repair for RM889
2. Send it to other shop for repair (anyone can recommend any?)
3. Don't repair and buy new lens (cost even more money!)

Also, I bought this lens in 2009 so the warranty has long expired.

Hope my fellow forummer can give me some advise
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A77 body only RM3450. drool.gif oh God.. why treat me like this??!


Added on March 26, 2012, 7:25 pm
The 16105 will also gear strip I think.
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QUOTE(Newbieeeeee @ Mar 26 2012, 07:24 PM)
A77 body only RM3450. drool.gif oh God.. why treat me like this??!


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The 16105 will also gear strip I think.
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shocking.gif wow, where you get this best price ?
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sepam,..sepam...

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i like the horizon line!!!! wub.gif
my own 2cents... the btm house part abit distracting~~
but still a very nice shot!!!

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Anyone looking for wide lens or 50mm 1.4? i got for sale..

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it is on my signature. 10-20mm
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errrr since when 1680 has build in motor?
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weixuan: I'd bite the bullet - they do occasionally come back with a cheaper repair.

Also, they lie about lens motor - there is no lens motor in the 16-80mm!

That said if you really don't want to take the risk, you could remove the AF screw drive screw - just unscrew the back and you should be able to take out the AF screw with little fuss. The process is reversible! Or at least it seemed easy on my Tamron 200-400mm F5.6...

Removing the AF screw might not solve the focus ring being stuck at 1 meter, though... any true technician will be able to fix this. So you might as well send it to a technician to fix the 1 meter problem. Only if it gets gear stripped then you remove the AF screw.

rah@: To be honest, Sony Malaysia repair is run by some dumb ****s who won't do that for you because it's not in their procedure book. However, yes, it is very much possible to remove the AF screw.
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azamunekurone : perghhh, lovely scene indeed!
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QUOTE(NutZ748 @ Mar 26 2012, 10:21 PM)
i like the horizon line!!!! wub.gif
my own 2cents... the btm house part abit distracting~~
but still a very nice shot!!!
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ya,agreed with u with the house part.but as u can see,i love the harmony connection from the tall building and small house. biggrin.gif

this shot from my sigma 30mm only.didnt bring any wide lens.only 8mm FE and thats is of coz will bend the KLCC brows.gif
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fansoption : Nice colours.

Pic no. 4 - If it was me, I would have moved the bridge and the tree way over to the left side of the frame. This would leave the stream to 'flow' across the whole frame to the right and with the vast expanse of the padi fields in the background.

The way it is now, I feel that the bridge is 'interrupting' the scene as it suddenly appears in the middle.

Just how I feel about that pic. Not to say there's anything right or wrong.
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i *ehem* opened a 1680 before, and its a lot harder then 55-200 and tamron 1750 combined! (and 200400 is the easiest!) the clutching part is the most difficult to understand!

the 1680 common issue was the clutching sitting at the front, far front at the focusing ring. u will notice when AF is running, the focusing ring is not turning like 55-200 or 1855 but when u hold it and turn, it turns the focusing plane. that clutch mechanism, wasnt the best design. there is this 3 screw that catches the 3 small plastic thing, which can break or goes loose overtime and got off the 'placing' that causes the issue "unable to turn the focusing ring. or turning it for xx amount of turn. but the AF still works proper just MF jams up. and slowly it get worst when the plastic thing drop off, and cause whole AF to jammed up.

so u have to bite the bullet to let sony do their job, this is something beyond our normal reach because, its kinda very difficult to put that plastic back to their placing and screw it back (because they move around when u try to screw them) it took me 3 hours redoing the screw many time until i get it right, that is the first and last i will ever touch a 1680, its really difficult to handle it.
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weixuan: I'd bite the bullet - they do occasionally come back with a cheaper repair.

Also, they lie about lens motor - there is no lens motor in the 16-80mm!

That said if you really don't want to take the risk, you could remove the AF screw drive screw - just unscrew the back and you should be able to take out the AF screw with little fuss. The process is reversible! Or at least it seemed easy on my Tamron 200-400mm F5.6...

Removing the AF screw might not solve the focus ring being stuck at 1 meter, though... any true technician will be able to fix this. So you might as well send it to a technician to fix the 1 meter problem. Only if it gets gear stripped then you remove the AF screw.

rah@: To be honest, Sony Malaysia repair is run by some dumb ****s who won't do that for you because it's not in their procedure book. However, yes, it is very much possible to remove the AF screw.
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i *ehem* opened a 1680 before, and its a lot harder then 55-200 and tamron 1750 combined! (and 200400 is the easiest!) the clutching part is the most difficult to understand!

the 1680 common issue was the clutching sitting at the front, far front at the focusing ring. u will notice when AF is running, the focusing ring is not turning like 55-200 or 1855 but when u hold it and turn, it turns the focusing plane. that clutch mechanism, wasnt the best design. there is this 3 screw that catches the 3 small plastic thing, which can break or goes loose overtime and got off the 'placing' that causes the issue "unable to turn the focusing ring. or turning it for xx amount of turn. but the AF still works proper just MF jams up. and slowly it get worst when the plastic thing drop off, and cause whole AF to jammed up.

so u have to bite the bullet to let sony do their job, this is something beyond our normal reach because, its kinda very difficult to put that plastic back to their placing and screw it back (because they move around when u try to screw them) it took me 3 hours redoing the screw many time until i get it right, that is the first and last i will ever touch a 1680, its really difficult to handle it.
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fansoption : Nice colours.

Pic no. 4 - If it was me, I would have moved the bridge and the tree way over to the left side of the frame. This would leave the stream to 'flow' across the whole frame to the right and with the vast expanse of the padi fields in the background.

The way it is now, I feel that the bridge is 'interrupting' the scene as it suddenly appears in the middle.

Just how I feel about that pic. Not to say there's anything right or wrong.
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ask that feller some more what else? wind too windy? sand too sandy? water too wet? wallet too empty?
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ask that feller some more what else? wind too windy? sand too sandy? water too wet? wallet too empty?
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The feller comment at here.
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*finger getting itchy* tongue.gif

its been awhile i tak balik kampung...my kampung across the paddy field only... biggrin.gif
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*finger getting itchy*  tongue.gif

its been awhile i tak balik kampung...my kampung across the paddy field only... biggrin.gif
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#4- If without that Tree.it will be more nice scene. laugh.gif

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Demmit ed, I wanted to do that when I get home edi one.
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william, do leg instead!! XD
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fansoption - at least your photo got people comment, better than mine lo.
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oic, so if i go KL, cannot one day trip there lor?

(high possibility i will stay few days in KL in november around 10-15th)

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No very far, from KL to sekinchan just 30 to 40min only.
I using latar highway to sekinchan 30min.
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R u staying in Sekinchan.
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ohhh,... so can 1 day trip la???? w00t!
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not that far...if from kl can hentam go thru lekas highway via nkve...one day trip can kawtim...gerak early morning ok d...
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QUOTE(ieR @ Mar 28 2012, 12:34 PM)
how about the borga hills?
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i went to sekinchan for a half day trip lol. Ed, november - december is a nice time, long paddy grass !

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