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 GENNEVA MALAYSIA, some facts.., READ and UNDERSTAND

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post Sep 24 2012, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(smartpoint @ Sep 24 2012, 05:33 PM)
No...My friend still didn't gt the gold bar...pity.  Guess what from Genneva Company staff said to my friend..when last week go again ask for the gold bar" Bank tidak mau release.. because gold price keep on increase" ... what the hell of this any related to the bank! Genneva Malaysia is private company . Before told my that friend Genneva Malaysia one day just can produce 60-100kg.
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nowdays lots of ppl avoid this kind of..... investment, but still, still hv lots of ppl fall into it, sweat.gif sweat.gif good luck to ur fren and hope the rugi can reduce to minimal
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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Sep 24 2012, 02:16 PM)
Haiyo....Singapore Genneva already facing trouble. Still talk to loud ?  notworthy.gif

Singapore 100m sprinter all kena brought down by the hurdle and got injured. Cannot cross the finish line liao..... cry.gif
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PM me ,your contact number . I ask my friend call you.


Added on September 24, 2012, 5:51 pm
QUOTE(EddyLB @ Sep 24 2012, 02:16 PM)
Haiyo....Singapore Genneva already facing trouble. Still talk to loud ?  notworthy.gif

Singapore 100m sprinter all kena brought down by the hurdle and got injured. Cannot cross the finish line liao..... cry.gif
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PM me ,your contact number . I ask my friend call you.

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post Sep 24 2012, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Sep 24 2012, 01:16 PM)
Haiyo....Singapore Genneva already facing trouble. Still talk to loud ?  notworthy.gif

Singapore 100m sprinter all kena brought down by the hurdle and got injured. Cannot cross the finish line liao..... cry.gif
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Are you sure, which Singaporean hurdler at which games brought down and got injured? Name?


Added on September 24, 2012, 6:32 pm
QUOTE(edyek @ Sep 24 2012, 01:23 PM)
What @eddy wants to say is, if we walk in Giant or Tesco, we have guarantee that the offer will be there because the physical mart is there for us to sue should we find anything wrong.

For your case, they are not convince as your so call "offer" has no credibility. If someone really does all the things you required, and you suddenly vanish out of thin air (by not online and del your lowyat.net account).. Who to look for in order for them to claim the gold?

Genneva can always says, oh, who the heck is Anoy me? We dont know, we dont even authorize him/her to offer this kind of offer. There is no such thing.....

Unless of course, there is black and white from Genneva stating that they are prepare to offer anyone gold bar should anyone find Genneva is fraud or scam. Or they authorized you to give such offer. If not who are you to offer such?

Its like saying, if anyone find lowyat.net a forum who scam people money, I (nickname) is prepare to pay rmxxx amount of money. Only the founder of this forum has the power to offer such offer or authorized representative.

So your arguement in this matter is invalid.
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Used the supermart analogy to explain there is no offer in this world that is perpetual.

Not trying to compare apples sold by Tesco with Gold.

Apples will rot over time if uneaten. Gold is forever.

51 pages of posts, over 1000 in all and still no proof at all. Lip service only.


Added on September 24, 2012, 6:35 pm
QUOTE(EddyLB @ Sep 24 2012, 03:30 PM)
He totally understands his position  laugh.gif He no stupid. That is exactly why he can offer 1kg 999 gold bar. Because he can get away easily. Just disappear when there is a claim hahaha
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A matter of fact or just your conjecture I will disappear?

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QUOTE(smartpoint @ Sep 24 2012, 05:33 PM)
No...My friend still didn't gt the gold bar...pity.  Guess what from Genneva Company staff said to my friend..when last week go again ask for the gold bar" Bank tidak mau release.. because gold price keep on increase" ... what the hell of this any related to the bank! Genneva Malaysia is private company . Before told my that friend Genneva Malaysia one day just can produce 60-100kg.
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Please PM Anoy me for his/her real name, and go find him/her at Genneva with your friend who has NOT YET get any GOLD from Genneva yet.

Anoy me can help your friend. Dont worry. Rest assure that your friend will have his Gold bar.
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post Sep 24 2012, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(edyek @ Sep 24 2012, 05:40 PM)
Get your friend name or member no. And ask him to find Anoy me at Genneva (should Anoy me wants to release his/her name) to prove that he has not yet get the gold after waiting for some time.

Then your friend will have 5% hibah and free 1kg gold.

U better ask your friend to do it now or never. Offer has expiry date.  nod.gif
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Tell him to make a police report, scan and post here for the whole world to see. Then I will deal with it.

What is there for him to lose if he makes a police report if he has a bona fide case? Unless he intends to lie to the police, that is.


Added on September 24, 2012, 6:39 pm
QUOTE(edyek @ Sep 24 2012, 06:37 PM)
Please PM Anoy me for his/her real name, and go find him/her at Genneva with your friend who has NOT YET get any GOLD from Genneva yet.

Anoy me can help your friend. Dont worry. Rest assure that your friend will have his Gold bar.
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Tell him to make a police report, scan and post here for the whole world to see. Then I will deal with it.

What is there for him to lose if he makes a police report if he has a bona fide case? Unless he intends to lie to the police, that is.




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QUOTE(Anonymous me @ Sep 24 2012, 06:38 PM)
Tell him to make a police report, scan and post here for the whole world to see. Then I will deal with it.

What is there for him to lose if he makes a police report if he has a bona fide case? Unless he intends to lie to the police, that is.
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Common my friend, you can do better than that.

His friend has not taken any gold bar from Genneva yet (so as he claimed). And his friend only wants the Gold Bar which he buys from Genneva. Surely your management has record who has taken the Gold bar and who has not. Since he has not, it is not much more easier to just get the gold bar?

I mean since you standby saying Genneva is no scam and legit company, I dont think issuing GOLD BAR to your customer is an issue. Or was it?

If he cant have Gold bar from Genneva or from you (since you senior level) after he meet you or Genneva again, only then he will go and make police report and that proves only ONE thing; Genneva is not giving gold bars to their customer, which only proves one thing. They dont have enough gold bars at hand to give.

Aint this simple and quick?

So no need for me or you to prove anything. Just give the poor guy his gold bar if he claims he has not being issue the gold bar from Genneva.

All righty, friend?

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post Sep 24 2012, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(edyek @ Sep 24 2012, 06:37 PM)
Please PM Anoy me for his/her real name, and go find him/her at Genneva with your friend who has NOT YET get any GOLD from Genneva yet.

Anoy me can help your friend. Dont worry. Rest assure that your friend will have his Gold bar.
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i believe he can retrieve the GOLD bar IF he declare his positions and name else just whistling.gif u know what i meant!!!

OR

Go to their office and tell the person in charge the offer was given by Anoy me (from lowyat forum) and the expiry date given. ask them if not believe login to lowyat on the spot let them see this thread, i believe the person in charge will ask u who's the Anoy me!! i don't know him and he do not represent us to give any offer ..... then burst ...... habis cerita ...... doh.gif
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QUOTE(edyek @ Sep 24 2012, 08:07 PM)
Common my friend, you can do better than that.

His friend has not taken any gold bar from Genneva yet (so as he claimed). And his friend only wants the Gold Bar which he buys from Genneva. Surely your management has record who has taken the Gold bar and who has not. Since he has not, it is not much more easier to just get the gold bar?

I mean since you standby saying Genneva is no scam and legit company, I dont think issuing GOLD BAR to your customer is an issue. Or was it?

If he cant have Gold bar from Genneva or from you (since you senior level) after he meet you or Genneva again, only then he will go and make police report and that proves only ONE thing; Genneva is not giving gold bars to their customer, which only proves one thing. They dont have enough gold bars at hand to give.

Aint this simple and quick?

So no need for me or you to prove anything. Just give the poor guy his gold bar if he claims he has not being issue the gold bar from Genneva.

All righty, friend?
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Nope, not alright.

You can trust him and his friend on the basis of his postings, sorry I don't. You guarantee that person is a real client? You guarantee he did not get the gold? You guarantee every word he posted here? If you don't believe me but you believe him, what's your motive?

Make a police report with the contract and receipt and the name of the agent. Scan and post. I'll investigate from there..

Your friend, my friend, his friend, her friend..............lip service.


Added on September 24, 2012, 9:15 pm
QUOTE(cwhong @ Sep 24 2012, 08:09 PM)
i believe he can retrieve the GOLD bar IF he declare his positions and name else just  whistling.gif u know what i meant!!!

OR

Go to their office and tell the person in charge the offer was given by Anoy me (from lowyat forum) and the expiry date given. ask them if not believe login to lowyat on the spot let them see this thread, i believe the person in charge will ask u who's the Anoy me!! i don't know him and he do not represent us to give any offer ..... then burst ...... habis cerita ...... doh.gif
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The best words you said so far - Good idea, go to the office, find the right person, KPKB to him, instead of KPKB here.

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QUOTE(Anonymous me @ Sep 24 2012, 09:13 PM)
Nope, not alright.

You can trust him and his friend on the basis of his postings, sorry I don't. You guarantee that person is a real client? You guarantee he did not get the gold? You guarantee every word he posted here? If you don't believe me but you believe him, what's your motive?

Make a police report with the contract and receipt and the name of the agent. Scan and post. I'll investigate from there..

Your friend, my friend, his friend, her friend..............lip service.


Added on September 24, 2012, 9:15 pm

The best words you said so far - Good idea, go to the office, find the right person, KPKB to him, instead of KPKB here.
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Oh, now I c fake tenant n real ANNOY me. Keep up the hard work. U hav done gd.

Cheer.
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post Sep 24 2012, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(Anonymous me @ Sep 24 2012, 09:13 PM)
Nope, not alright.

You can trust him and his friend on the basis of his postings, sorry I don't. You guarantee that person is a real client? You guarantee he did not get the gold? You guarantee every word he posted here? If you don't believe me but you believe him, what's your motive?

Make a police report with the contract and receipt and the name of the agent. Scan and post. I'll investigate from there..

Your friend, my friend, his friend, her friend..............lip service.


Added on September 24, 2012, 9:15 pm

The best words you said so far - Good idea, go to the office, find the right person, KPKB to him, instead of KPKB here.
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but what if the person really have not get the gold bar yet?

got the papers and everything, but gold bar not yet arrive only.
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Haiz, really stupid people believing in Geneva Gold profits.

Even fixed deposits offer higher returns. You guys think for yourselves, how much do these agents earn from you?

Buy gold bar at jewelry price? PTUI!

How stupid can Malaysians get these days??
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QUOTE(Anonymous me @ Sep 24 2012, 09:13 PM)
Nope, not alright.

You can trust him and his friend on the basis of his postings, sorry I don't. You guarantee that person is a real client? You guarantee he did not get the gold? You guarantee every word he posted here? If you don't believe me but you believe him, what's your motive?

Make a police report with the contract and receipt and the name of the agent. Scan and post. I'll investigate from there..

Your friend, my friend, his friend, her friend..............lip service.
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I too dont trust that guy. Since we both dont trust him, he should be ashamed of himself should he go to Genneva office and found himself not a member of Genneva. It is so simple for you just to check whether he is a member and has he got the gold bar yet? So simple. Dont tell me Genenva cant do that?

He should directly go to Genneva and complain. And you my friend, should investigate from there.
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QUOTE(PrincZe @ Sep 24 2012, 11:18 PM)
but what if the person really have not get the gold bar yet?

got the papers and everything, but gold bar not yet arrive only.
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RELLY?

Annoy me says "Go claim at POLIS station"! tongue.gif


Added on September 25, 2012, 7:46 am
QUOTE(HighRoller84 @ Sep 25 2012, 12:20 AM)
Haiz, really stupid people believing in Geneva Gold profits.


How stupid can Malaysians get these days??
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Not only Malaysians...just GREEDy dolts........


"A SUCKER IS BORN EVERY MINUTE"- P T BARNUM

So its not gonna stop............. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(edyek @ Sep 25 2012, 07:16 AM)
I too dont trust that guy. Since we both dont trust him, he should be ashamed of himself should he go to Genneva office and found himself not a member of Genneva. It is so simple for you just to check whether he is a member and has he got the gold bar yet? So simple. Dont tell me Genenva cant do that?

He should directly go to Genneva and complain. And you my friend, should investigate from there.
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Bro Edyek, beta dun waste time to reason out with mlm minded ppl. Most r 走火入魔.

Beta spend ur time giving advises in the commi vest in other forum.


Added on September 25, 2012, 8:52 am
QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 25 2012, 07:43 AM)
RELLY?

Annoy me  says "Go claim at POLIS station"!    tongue.gif


Added on September 25, 2012, 7:46 am

Not only Malaysians...just GREEDy dolts........
"A SUCKER IS BORN EVERY MINUTE"- P T BARNUM

So its not gonna stop.............    biggrin.gif
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Thanks to MLM. Bravo Genneva. Long live Genneva.

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Sep 25 2012, 08:50 AM)
Bro Edyek, beta dun waste time to reason out with mlm minded ppl. Most r 走火入魔.

Beta spend ur time giving advises in the commi vest in other forum.


Added on September 25, 2012, 8:52 am

Thanks to MLM. Bravo Genneva. Long live Genneva.
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Boss, ive stop commenting a few pages ago and was laughing all the way. Just cant help it yesterday. sweat.gif

And you are right, i will stop here. icon_rolleyes.gif biggrin.gif

Long live Genneva. rclxm9.gif
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Genneva Singapore lost a legal case. Did not even bother to appoint lawyer to fight in court.... doh.gif


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[SINGAPORE] Genneva Pte Ltd, a gold trading company offering a "buyback" scheme, appears to be in hot water.

At least one customer has recently won an interlocutory judgment against it in the Subordinate Court, pending an assessment of damages. It remains to be seen, however, whether she will recover her claim of about $190,000. Genneva failed to respond to the writ of summons or to contest the case.

The plaintiff, Lee Bee Ghok, is represented by Goh Kok Yeow of De Souza Lim & Goh.

A second writ of summons has also been filed in the Subordinate Court claiming a total sum of roughly $86,000.

A number of other customers are also looking into launching a lawsuit against the firm for its alleged failure to honour its part of the agreement to buy back gold. One group of about 60 customers, representing a total of roughly $10 million in gold purchases, is understood to be consulting lawyers.

Genneva is on the Monetary Authority of Singapore's Investor Alert list of unlicensed entities. Its scheme basically sells gold to customers at a hefty premium of 20-30 per cent. Customers, however, are told that they enjoy a "discount" of about 2 per cent off the headline price.

They are given the option to sell back the gold after a pre-agreed term of one month or three months. The gold can be sold back at the headline price and customers get to pocket the so-called discount. Assuming monthly rollovers, this could mean a return of as much as 24 per cent a year.

Genneva's website lists a price of $96 per gram as at August. This is the equivalent of about $96,000 per kilobar of gold. UOB, which offers gold investment services, sells gold to the public at about $74,500 per kilobar.

Sources said that the firm had also offered a "safekeeping receipt" (SKR) scheme some years ago, where the customer does not take delivery of physical gold. The gold is held by the company for safekeeping, and customers can exercise the option to withdraw via a "sellback".

Genneva director Leow Wee Khong could not be reached. Calls and e-mail to the company were not answered.

More recently, a source said, customers were marketed a scheme similar to SKR, but under a contract linked to a Malaysian company.

BT understands that in the last few months, customers have not been able to sell back their gold. Agents are also owed commissions for up to six or seven months. Customers that BT spoke with managed to make at least one rollover, earning 2 per cent, after which some invested yet more money.

Spot gold price touched a high of US$1,888 per ounce last year. It is now trading at US$1,759.

Customers who bought from Genneva are in a bind because of the high premium paid. Those BT spoke with paid between $91,000 and $93,000 per kilobar. UOB will buy back from the public at about $69,400 based on yesterday's indicative prices.

Some customers are believed to have filed police reports. A police spokesman said: "It is inappropriate to comment on police investigations, if any."

Based on Genneva's latest available filings, 2009 revenue came to $236 million. Assets totalled $67 million and liabilities, $68 million. Paid-up capital came to $500,000. The company was registered in 2008 with four directors, three of whom are Malaysian.

The three Malaysians - Marcus Yee Yuen Seng, Ng Poh Weng and Chin Wai Leong - are also directors of Genneva Sdn Bhd. They are being sued by Bank Negara in Malaysia for alleged illegal deposit taking and alleged offences under anti-money laundering laws. The case is ongoing.

In Singapore, there are four apparently related Genneva companies registered as businesses. Apart from Genneva Pte Ltd, there is also Genneva Remittance, set up ostensibly for remittance services, and Genneva Syariah, described as gold bullion traders and dealers.

In March, Genneva World Pte Ltd was registered also for gold trading. It has six Singaporean directors, one of whom is Mr Leow, the Genneva director.

Customers are concerned that assets of Genneva are being transferred to Genneva World, which is expected to trade on a similar business model. Sources say that some customers have been invited to transfer their contracts to Genneva World, but they are asked to keep 30 per cent of their gold holding with the company.

Genneva's model appears to fall into a grey regulatory area. Because there is typically a physical purchase of gold, the company is not classified as an investment adviser. The so-called discount that customers are extended is also not described as a yield or return.

Meanwhile, on its website, the MAS warns against schemes that dangle high returns, citing gold buyback schemes. It urges customers to question how the returns are generated, and whether the operators are regulated.
http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/premium/to...stomer-20120925

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Sep 25 2012, 12:01 PM)
Genneva Singapore lost a legal case. Did not even bother to appoint lawyer to fight in court.... doh.gif 

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The rats already left the ship with the gold bars... laugh.gif Why do they care? Just close one company and start another one... tongue.gif Or maybe trying to reap more profit in MY operations before jump ship also...

Most probably the story of the manager embezzling the money is a cover story for an exit strategy.
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Customers who bought from Genneva are in a bind because of the high premium paid. Those BT spoke with paid between $91,000 and $93,000 per kilobar. UOB will buy back from the public at about $69,400 based on yesterday's indicative prices
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Says it all............25% HAIRcut...............
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Does Genneva investors expect Genneva to defend any lawsuit? Their business model is founded on quicksand and is a con job and scam through and through, so why should they bother to defend any lawsuit? At the first sign of trouble, they will pack up and RUN, WITH ALL THE GOLD AND THE MONEY, OF COURSE!! These crooks already done it with Genneva Sdn Bhd, run away with cash at least RM47 million!! Those who still listen to and believe this Anon Me troll are fools many times over!! Anon Me recommends you to migrate your Genneva plan over to the Genneva World plan! You still believe him?? It is amazing what depths of stupidity humans can sink to!!


Added on September 25, 2012, 2:32 pm
QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 25 2012, 02:28 PM)
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Says it all............25% HAIRcut...............
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Only if the gold you hold is pure and with certificate, etc. etc. Otherwise much more than 25%.

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QUOTE(scorpio55 @ Sep 25 2012, 02:30 PM)
Does Genneva investors expect Genneva to defend any lawsuit? Their business model is founded on quicksand and is a con job and scam through and through, so why should they bother to defend any lawsuit? At the first sign of trouble, they will pack up and RUN, WITH ALL THE GOLD AND THE MONEY, OF COURSE!! These crooks  already done it with Genneva Sdn Bhd, run away with cash at least RM47 million!! Those who still listen to and believe this Anon Me troll are fools many times over!! Anon Me recommends you to migrate your Genneva plan over to the Genneva World plan! You still believe him?? It is amazing what depths of stupidity humans can sink  to!!


Added on September 25, 2012, 2:32 pm
Only if the gold you hold is pure and with certificate, etc. etc. Otherwise much more than 25%.
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GENNEVA GOLD WORST MORE THAN 30% EVEN WORST IF IT IS FAKE.
How to TRUST any WORD or NAME with GENNEVA on it.

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