I stand corrected.

I still see making an ending DLC as something really outrageous. The fans are literally paying for Bioware's mistakes.

OK, sorry we screwed up the ending. Here, pay X amount and get a better ending hahaha. Thank you for your patronage....suckas!!

Need to make new column

Pizza is $59.99 but after you ate it you found out the topping is rotten
You can get another topping for $15 says the company

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/...ible-consumers/

I think this is a nice article that talks about why should ME fans be angry about the ending? They should as they arent getting what is promised, an ending that do not toss even more questions.

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Added on March 28, 2012, 4:41 pmSo much win.

Let me rephrase it. Its more like a rather tasteless pizza that you have, where at the very last piece, the pizza taste like shit. So, naturally, you demanded a resolution to this problem, and the restaurant demand you to pay $10 for a new bite of the pizza.

This post has been edited by Cheesenium: Mar 28 2012, 05:36 PM

The Citadel Godchild: Yo dawg, I heard that the Synthetics gonna always rebel against their organics creators so I made the synthetic reaper to harvest all the organics so that you don't die to the synthetics you made!

that master AI child very stupid...create synthetic...to harvest organic so synthetic created by organic being won't kill them....

now,

Master AI create synthetic -> Reaper

Organic being create synthetic -> Geths and so on


Reaper harvest Organic beings -> to avoid synthetic created by organic rebel against them

So....

Reaper = Synthetic -> kill and harvest organic = there is no cycle actually

they didn't realize they also synthetic....its me or really really really plain stupid cycles thought by Master AI ?

if you guys understand what I trying to explain....errrr

You're trying to explain bad writing.

Ergo, it is just bad.

Hey starcraft 2 has been doing this.

10 years in development, just Wings of Liberty ?

Wings of Liberty was a very good game. Didn't really mind they broke the game into 3 expansions.
Wings of Liberty > Heart of the Swarm > Legacy of the Void

Terran + Protoss + Zerg = Organics
Xel'naga = Reapers

I hope they have an EPIC space battle like ME3 at the end of legacy of the void

so the future of gaming is depended on DLCs. Good lord, i better start finding a new hobby.

anyone can tell me the name of the music played during installation process? There are 3 musics I know 2 of them are spectre induction and suicide mission. What is the last one?

not necessarily - the future of gaming may be - gamer funded projects -
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/postud...a-reed-thriller

Not happening lol. With games on a massive scale like Mass Effect and the likes, it will cost way more to develop than the measly 5 digit kickstarters you see now. Kickstarters will work with indie games but not with AAA games. Furthermore, ever considered what would happen if an unethical developer starts using kickstarter? Yeah...

After all, businesses are profit-motivated. As long as a plan works, they'll keep doing it. They keep pushing DLCs because they are getting more profits from doing it. You have to give them a reason to stop doing it otherwise it will go on and it will get worse.

what do u mean not working?
Wasteland 2 collected over 1.5M dollars in funding already backed by so many major industry icons...

in case u dunno, wasteland was the main inspiration between games like the fallout series...

the start of kickstarter basically means the end for the need of a publisher thus giving the developers full control over the game...

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Added on March 29, 2012, 1:12 am^ added source for wasteland 2 http://www.joystiq.com/2012/03/24/wastelan...coming-to-os-x/

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Added on March 29, 2012, 1:25 amAsura's wrath having ending DLC lolx
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/122/122180..._source=twitter

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Mar 29 2012, 01:25 AM

Welp, I stand corrected. Never heard of Wasteland 2. And Double Fine at 3million too. I'm really impressed. But I don't think this can last in the long run. As Kickstarter becomes more popular and people start donating more, we all essentially become investors and in the end there will be very little post-production profit. As in, everyone who wants the game will donate to get the game. Then very little people will actually buy it once it's released. I can see new companies using this to get started but I don't see how it can work in the long run.


Also, relevant.

These are well respected titles by established developers... If u are an old school gamer, u would identify most of them. Even Razer (Min Liang) donated to Wasteland 2's project... Publishers do get a big cut of earnings, thus removing publishers totally from whole business concept is a win-win for both the developers and gamers... as for buying the game, if u are a great fan of a series which wants a sequel or something, you will definitely get it... and prices will be lower than having publishers into the equation as well don't you think so?

Still waiting for the sequel to Planescape to be kickstarted if the guy is interested...

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Mar 29 2012, 01:55 AM

Well that's exactly the point I'm trying to make, people who know them will donate and get the game for free once it releases. People who are interested will donate and get the game for free once it releases. The problem I'm seeing here is once it actually releases there won't be many people left who'd want to buy it since those who wanted it would've already donated and hence there's a total lack of post-production revenue. And companies that use Kickstarter to start up projects would rely on word of mouth to get donations. So, essentially everyone interested in the game would donate and those who already have the game probably wouldn't buy it again once it releases right? I really can't fathom how this will work in the long run. :\ Idk, only time will tell.

Blizzard have pretty much split the campaign to 3 games, not the multiplayer. I dont see whats wrong with it. And there arent any post release $15 DLCs.

I dont really like the idea of kickstarter as people will have this "entitlement" mentality where they have paid for the game and the game has to be in a desirable way to them. If the game turn out to something else, like Double Fine's new game is not exactly a traditional point and click adventure game. People will be pissed at Double Fine. It's pretty much a dangerous route to take, especially you have other people's money before the project starts.

I am in the Project CARS pre-alpha, where i paid 10 Euro to be a member on the team, where i can post suggestions and such. On the massive team, people has been suggesting wildly different ideas. Some wants the game closer to GT5 or Forza 4, while some wants it to be something like rFactor. It sort of feels like crowd sourcing doesnt really work in practise as everyone has a different idea on how the game should be.

Still, i do not really have a firm idea on how kickstarter works, as does donators have any influence on the game? If they dont, it might be a lot better but the entitlement problem pops up again.

On the money they have collected, i think it might be enough for an indie game, as indie games like Bastion took 2 million plus to build, while Sins of Solar Empire took 800k. For a triple A game, i doubt thats enough, as even recycled content game like CoD needs about 40 million while games like Witcher 2 or Mass Effect 3 will require even more money. I think Double Fine did say Psychonaunts 2 needs about 10 to 14 million to develop.

Still i would want to see a kickstarter project to revive Freespace 3 or Freelancer 2. I'll pay for that, if they are doing an action based space shooting game, not something like X3 where its just too difficult to play.

This post has been edited by Cheesenium: Mar 29 2012, 09:38 AM

Kickstarter is simply a website for companies/individuals to hold donation drives for whatever they want. The companies/individuals most likely will have different reward tiers depending on how much you donate, like for Auditorium: Duet, I donated 30USD so I'm getting a shirt and the game.

A triple AAA game costs millions of dollars to produce. Starcraft 2: Wings of Liberty costed USD 100 million to produce.