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cha.968
post Dec 26 2014, 02:41 AM

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QUOTE(wnyeen @ Dec 26 2014, 02:26 AM)
Mr blomker....pls pm best price for prusa i3...where else to get filament?
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Wow... you asked him to quote you in this hour?
Well, just share with you his sales thread in lelong, you might get his whatsapp number for faster response...
http://www.lelong.com.my/prusa-i3-3d-printer-3dmalaysia-156906220-2015-01-Sale-P.htm
Ask him to sell you filaments too, with PWP bundle package.
Mention me, Cha introducing... hahaha... brows.gif
cha.968
post Dec 26 2014, 02:47 AM

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QUOTE(wnyeen @ Dec 26 2014, 02:26 AM)
Mr blomker....pls pm best price for prusa i3...where else to get filament?
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Sorry forget to attached my previous thread link, if you need the local resources link.
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wnyeen
post Dec 26 2014, 12:59 PM

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Thx cha
cha.968
post Dec 26 2014, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(wnyeen @ Dec 26 2014, 12:59 PM)
Thx cha
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Don't mention it.
All questions on 3D-printing are welcome here, sifu altan and others are willing to offer the helps... rclxms.gif
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post Dec 26 2014, 08:02 PM

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Just found that there is Indiegogo page from Malaysia:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/crowd-source-3d-printer-kossel-mini

Free to comments?

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post Dec 26 2014, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(cha.968 @ Dec 26 2014, 08:02 PM)
Just found that there is Indiegogo page from Malaysia:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/crowd-source-3d-printer-kossel-mini

Free to comments?

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Im not in agreement with this. they aren't bringing in anything new to the market. They're importing Mini Kossel in large amount and reselling it here.

Plus, what is their main point of the Indiegogo campaign? Money to bring Kossel Minis here or funding to jumpstart their company Geekco?
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post Dec 27 2014, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(izzudinhafiz @ Dec 26 2014, 01:01 AM)
hey marauderz,

i'd like to give them a try. when can I buy you coffee and lunch? biggrin.gif
Btw altan are you available for printing? Had an extruder failure and in need of a replacement print. Don't have a spare to run the printer. Funny since the extruder failed when I was printing a spare extruder.
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Hey sure, send me a PM and let me know which parts needs to be printed. You can also COD with me since I am back in PJ. My printer will be available after this weekend because I am printing some stuff for an event.

QUOTE(wnyeen @ Dec 26 2014, 02:26 AM)
Mr blomker....pls pm best price for prusa i3...where else to get filament?
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You can get quality filaments from Qwikfab, they are based in Singapore and considering the MYR to SGD exchange rate, its about RM 100 tops. Be sure to mention them my name, and maybe you could get a discount. whistling.gif

QUOTE(cha.968 @ Dec 26 2014, 01:24 PM)
Don't mention it.
All questions on 3D-printing are welcome here, sifu altan and others are willing to offer the helps...  rclxms.gif
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Thanks for the compliment cha.968 but I'm sure the others and including yourself are sifus in 3D printing as well. smile.gif

QUOTE(izzudinhafiz @ Dec 26 2014, 10:35 PM)
Im not in agreement with this. they aren't bringing in anything new to the market. They're importing Mini Kossel in large amount and reselling it here.

Plus, what is their main point of the Indiegogo campaign? Money to bring Kossel Minis here or funding to jumpstart their company Geekco?
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If you check blomker's kossel mini page at http://blomker.com/index.php?id_category=1...roller=category, its only RM 11 cheaper than the indiegogo site, though its not assembled.

Its good that more Malaysians are picking up an interest owning a 3D printer as they have mentioned in their campaign but taking it into a crowd funding side is pure and instant disaster. Just because they stated they "have successfully build a Kossel Mini" doesn't mean they can sell and deliver it well enough while sustaining their business.

They seem a bit too ambitious with their idea of making and selling something that is available for sale locally. I am not saying we should not support them but analyzing the key indications shows that their campaign is bound to fail right from the start.

I worked out some ball park calculations/analysis and it seems from their current position they will need at least 54 supporters for their campaign. Based on estimations for 54 sets, I don't think they can deliver the product in less than 6 months because there will be time used for purchasing (cutting machinery, vitamins, non-printable stuff, electronic/thermal/electromechanical components), cutting of parts (rods, threads, frame, etc), assembly, firmware programming, testing, and packaging. Also don't forget injection molding or the cheapest but unreliable way, printing the printable bits.

Say we take KLKS example "5 nights to assemble and tune" one Prusa by a single person. Imagine 3 person production team building 3 per week, that will take about 4 to 5 months excluding the other production consideration as stated above.

Also the amount they are planning to raise (USD 20k) and the "low" price tag are too low for the success of their plans. To summarize in 4 words: over ambitious, under confident.

Anyway, even if I am do build and sell printers, I wouldn't use crowdfunding as my main source of income. If someone thinks my printer is good, they can show their support through my printing service and that's more than encouragement for me.

Though its late, but Merry Xmas and Happy New Year! thumbup.gif

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post Dec 27 2014, 03:18 AM

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QUOTE(altan @ Dec 27 2014, 12:35 AM)
Hey sure, send me a PM and let me know which parts needs to be printed. You can also COD with me since I am back in PJ. My printer will be available after this weekend because I am printing some stuff for an event.
You can get quality filaments from Qwikfab, they are based in Singapore and considering the MYR to SGD exchange rate, its about RM 100 tops. Be sure to mention them my name, and maybe you could get a discount.  whistling.gif
Thanks for the compliment cha.968 but I'm sure the others and including yourself are sifus in 3D printing as well.  smile.gif
If you check blomker's kossel mini page at http://blomker.com/index.php?id_category=1...roller=category, its only RM 11 cheaper than the indiegogo site, though its not assembled.

Its good that more Malaysians are picking up an interest owning a 3D printer as they have mentioned in their campaign but taking it into a crowd funding side is pure and instant disaster. Just because they stated they "have successfully build a Kossel Mini" doesn't mean they can sell and deliver it well enough while sustaining their business.

They seem a bit too ambitious with their idea of making and selling something that is available for sale locally. I am not saying we should not support them but analyzing the key indications shows that their campaign is bound to fail right from the start.

I worked out some ball park calculations/analysis and it seems from their current position they will need at least 54 supporters for their campaign. Based on estimations for 54 sets, I don't think they can deliver the product in less than 6 months because there will be time used for purchasing (cutting machinery, vitamins, non-printable stuff, electronic/thermal/electromechanical components), cutting of parts (rods, threads, frame, etc), assembly, firmware programming, testing, and packaging. Also don't forget injection molding or the cheapest but unreliable way, printing the printable bits.

Say we take KLKS example "5 nights to assemble and tune" one Prusa by a single person. Imagine 3 person production team building 3 per week, that will take about 4 to 5 months excluding the other production consideration as stated above.

Also the amount they are planning to raise (USD 20k) and the "low" price tag are too low for the success of their plans. To summarize in 4 words: over ambitious, under confident.

Anyway, even if I am do build and sell printers, I wouldn't use crowdfunding as my main source of income. If someone thinks my printer is good, they can show their support through my printing service and that's more than encouragement for me.

Though its late, but Merry Xmas and Happy New Year!  thumbup.gif
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Agreed. The biggest drawback of RepRap is set up time. Building it takes half a day which is the easy part, selling it at low price (kit price) for a fully assembled printer is doable but a fully calibrated machine, no way. It takes way too much time for a business to achieve that with 3 people.

Crowd sourcing is fine but they don't seem to have any business plan that says what they are going to do, which makes me think they don't have any idea what they are going to do.

Going to PM you tonight.

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post Dec 27 2014, 06:27 PM

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Found a company near puchong which sells bearings/pulleys/rods/lead screws/steppers. Fast email response, they even called me to find out what I needed. Their prices for the shaft is comparable to those that are being sold on aliexpress, coincidentally I found this company on alibaba

They quoted me
- RM5 for LM8UU if <10pcs, RM4.70 if >10
- 8mm shaft 380mm length RM16.70
- 8mm shaft 320mm length RM14.00

I'm gonna pay them a visit next week, they do walk ins which is what i like smile.gif

Their website is http://www.letromec.com.my/ if anyone else is interested.
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post Dec 27 2014, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(KLKS @ Dec 27 2014, 06:27 PM)
Found a company near puchong which sells bearings/pulleys/rods/lead screws/steppers. Fast email response, they even called me to find out what I needed. Their prices for the shaft is comparable to those that are being sold on aliexpress, coincidentally I found this company on alibaba

They quoted me
- RM5 for LM8UU if <10pcs, RM4.70 if >10
- 8mm shaft 380mm length RM16.70
- 8mm shaft 320mm length RM14.00

I'm gonna pay them a visit next week, they do walk ins which is what i like smile.gif

Their website is http://www.letromec.com.my/ if anyone else is interested.
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Not bad. Cmw steel in loke yew sells a 6m piece of 8mm shaft for 50 ringgit including cutting to whatever length u want. But you have to buy 6M. Walk in considered as well.

But if you're looking for less than 1M of rod and don't mind waiting after 5th of January i've got one available. Just come pick it up in ampang. Belanja some experience only biggrin.gif

By the way. Could you inquire letromec about NEMA 17 stepper motors?

This post has been edited by izzudinhafiz: Dec 27 2014, 06:39 PM
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post Dec 27 2014, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(KLKS @ Dec 27 2014, 06:27 PM)
Found a company near puchong which sells bearings/pulleys/rods/lead screws/steppers. Fast email response, they even called me to find out what I needed. Their prices for the shaft is comparable to those that are being sold on aliexpress, coincidentally I found this company on alibaba

They quoted me
- RM5 for LM8UU if <10pcs, RM4.70 if >10
- 8mm shaft 380mm length RM16.70
- 8mm shaft 320mm length RM14.00

I'm gonna pay them a visit next week, they do walk ins which is what i like smile.gif

Their website is http://www.letromec.com.my/ if anyone else is interested.
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Seems like a good recommendation.

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post Dec 27 2014, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(izzudinhafiz @ Dec 27 2014, 06:35 PM)
Not bad. Cmw steel in loke yew sells a 6m piece of 8mm shaft for 50 ringgit including cutting to whatever length u want. But you have to buy 6M. Walk in considered as well.

But if you're looking for less than 1M of rod and don't mind waiting after 5th of January i've got one available. Just come pick it up in ampang. Belanja some experience only biggrin.gif

By the way. Could you inquire letromec about NEMA 17 stepper motors?
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Me and a buddy are building our 2nd i3, think we are gonna need more than 1M, i might go check CMW out for rods since it sounds like its cheaper to get it there, i'll ask about the nema17 and report back.
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post Dec 27 2014, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(KLKS @ Dec 27 2014, 06:51 PM)
Me and a buddy are building our 2nd i3, think we are gonna need more than 1M, i might go check CMW out for rods since it sounds like its cheaper to get it there, i'll ask about the nema17 and report back.
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Also do ask on my behalf for nema 14 stepper and also ball screw with 0.5 or 1 mm pitch. Thanks icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Dec 27 2014, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(altan @ Dec 27 2014, 06:57 PM)
Also do ask on my behalf for nema 14 stepper and also ball screw with 0.5 or 1 mm pitch. Thanks  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Fuyo altan making reprap with ballscrew movement :
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post Dec 27 2014, 10:02 PM

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Fuyo altan making reprap with ballscrew movement :
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post Dec 27 2014, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(altan @ Dec 27 2014, 10:02 PM)
Secret secret  whistling.gif
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Don't forget to send beta testing kit sini rclxms.gif
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post Dec 27 2014, 10:31 PM

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How do u guys compare between prusa i3 and kossel mini ?
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post Dec 27 2014, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(KLKS @ Dec 27 2014, 06:27 PM)
Found a company near puchong which sells bearings/pulleys/rods/lead screws/steppers. Fast email response, they even called me to find out what I needed. Their prices for the shaft is comparable to those that are being sold on aliexpress, coincidentally I found this company on alibaba

They quoted me
- RM5 for LM8UU if <10pcs, RM4.70 if >10
- 8mm shaft 380mm length RM16.70
- 8mm shaft 320mm length RM14.00

I'm gonna pay them a visit next week, they do walk ins which is what i like smile.gif

Their website is http://www.letromec.com.my/ if anyone else is interested.
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LM8UU is cheap.

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izzudinhafiz
post Dec 28 2014, 09:48 PM

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Speaking of which. How's is the plastic linear bushing that we were talking about a few weeks back? did you get the sample altan?

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QUOTE(wnyeen @ Dec 27 2014, 10:31 PM)
How do u guys compare between prusa i3 and kossel mini ?
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The theory is that the Kossel prints faster because of the way it moves.

To me it just looks unique in it's design. tongue.gif

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