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mrbob
post Nov 1 2013, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(meons @ Oct 31 2013, 09:04 PM)
http://www.maximumpc.com/western_digital_p...hard_drives2013
Western Digital Planning to Launch 7-Platter, Helium Filled Hard Drives

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Darn... just when I have bought the reds. At least there is an upgrade path in the next couple of years.
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post Nov 6 2013, 02:28 AM

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QUOTE(win7 @ Oct 29 2013, 06:04 AM)
actually, what is the disadvantage of WD GREEN series? icon_question.gif
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ah warranty 2 year... to me (as my opinion) Green is Awesome for Storage/Budget e.g. WD Green 3 TB RM 389.. (make sure your Mobo support this and Format in GPT partition so it detected/ able fully use HDD)

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QUOTE(meons @ Oct 31 2013, 09:04 PM)
http://www.maximumpc.com/western_digital_p...hard_drives2013
Western Digital Planning to Launch 7-Platter, Helium Filled Hard Drives

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each time Helium HDD go rosak word for it " my HDD go Fly and left me with Cat voice" biggrin.gif
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post Nov 8 2013, 06:35 PM

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Got a old Seagate Hard disk.

with 5 current pending sector count & 5 uncorrectable sector count.

I tried to

1) Low Level format ( HDDLLF.exe)
2) chkdsk /r /f also tried /b Windows 7
3) speedfan extended test - no errors

But still SMART data is the same.

Any icon_question.gif suggestion I can try?TQ

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post Nov 9 2013, 06:57 AM

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QUOTE(alvinfks78 @ Nov 8 2013, 06:35 PM)
Got a old Seagate Hard disk.

with 5 current pending sector count & 5 uncorrectable sector count.

I tried to

1) Low Level format ( HDDLLF.exe)
2) chkdsk /r /f also tried /b Windows 7
3) speedfan extended test - no errors

But still SMART data is the same.

Any  icon_question.gif suggestion I can try?TQ
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There's really nothing much you can do about a HDD that is experiencing uncorrectable sectors except to get a replacement HDD ready in case of failure. You should not put any critical data on the problem HDD and keep monitoring its SMART values. Make sure that you new HDD are well cushioned from vibration etc in the drive cage.

Low level formatting etc will just makes things worst. There are plenty of tools that claims that they can revive the HDD which has bad sectors but in reality the chances of creating more uncorrectable sectors are higher in the process of reviving the bad sectors as it stresses the mechnical arm of the HDD.




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post Nov 9 2013, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(mrbob @ Nov 9 2013, 07:57 AM)
There's really nothing much you can do about a HDD that is experiencing uncorrectable sectors except to get a replacement HDD ready in case of failure. You should not put any critical data on the problem HDD and keep monitoring its SMART values. Make sure that you new HDD are well cushioned from vibration etc in the drive cage.

Low level formatting etc will just makes things worst. There are plenty of tools that claims that they can revive the HDD which has bad sectors but in reality the chances of creating more uncorrectable sectors are higher in the process of reviving the bad sectors as it stresses the mechnical arm of the HDD.
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thanks for the tip. nod.gif Already backup data guess nothing much else I can do for that drive.
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post Nov 11 2013, 12:06 AM

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I have HDD just done warranty back but it still get same problem like sudden disappear from windows (not even device manager can see the HDD) but after reboot into bios, I can see the HDD is still there

What is root cause of this issue?
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QUOTE(alvinfks78 @ Nov 9 2013, 10:50 PM)
thanks for the tip.  nod.gif Already backup data guess nothing much else I can do for that drive.
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You can use it for testing out other OS ie Ubuntu etc. The key thing is to monitor the SMART values on a regular or daily basis. If the 2 values pending sector count & uncorrectable sector count increases, it's a sign the HDD is going to fail real soon.
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QUOTE(hinamoriamu @ Nov 11 2013, 12:06 AM)
I have HDD just done warranty back but it still get same problem like sudden disappear from windows (not even device manager can see the HDD) but after reboot into bios, I can see the HDD is still there

What is root cause of this issue?
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Sounds like a connection or cable issue. Try replacing the SATA cable of the problem drive. If still have problem, try connecting to another SATA port. You should be able to see all connected HDDs in BIOS under SATA Configuration sub-menu so you don't really need to boot into Winz just to check whether the HDD is working or not.
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QUOTE(mrbob @ Nov 11 2013, 10:24 AM)
Sounds like a connection or cable issue. Try replacing the SATA cable of the problem drive. If still have problem, try connecting to another SATA port. You should be able to see all connected HDDs in BIOS under SATA Configuration sub-menu so you don't really need to boot into Winz just to check whether the HDD is working or not.
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Thx for the tip, ya nvr tot of sata cable can be culprit as well
But normally sata cable wun damage right?
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post Nov 12 2013, 08:23 AM

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QUOTE(hinamoriamu @ Nov 11 2013, 05:28 PM)
Thx for the tip, ya nvr tot of sata cable can be culprit as well
But normally sata cable wun damage right?
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Cable can be damaged as well if it's over bend or bend and stressed at a fixed position for long time, which is why there's 90 degree connector available to solve such issue, some mainboard even has side ports to minimize cable bending. Copper wire has its bending limits as well.
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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Nov 12 2013, 08:23 AM)
Cable can be damaged as well if it's over bend or bend and stressed at a fixed position for long time, which is why there's 90 degree connector available to solve such issue, some mainboard even has side ports to minimize cable bending. Copper wire has its bending limits as well.
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Thx guys, I will give it a try to play music non-stop see it is HDD issue or cable issue when it disappear from computer
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post Nov 12 2013, 07:17 PM

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Read many reviews saying WD My Passport Slim 1TB is one of the best out there, is it reliable? and how much and where can I get it?
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post Nov 13 2013, 10:14 AM

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Haven't had any experience with the newer Slim Passports. Generally I think WD external drives are pretty reliable. Popular Low Yat vendors like Viewnet and Jayacom should have them.

Here are the Low Yat price lists.
http://www.hardwarezone.com.my/priceLists
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post Nov 13 2013, 11:50 AM

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Can anybody here know which WD HDD is single platter? (single sided read head or 2 sided,please mention as well)
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NOTE: Sorry all, I had found the correct Topic: NETWORK ATTACHED STORAGE (NAS) V2
@ https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry64543498

Hello all,

My next question may consider Out of Topic but it is related to Storage.
I really wish you all Sifu or non-Sifu would care to comment constructively.

My Laptop is running of out of space again though I got myself a 1TB External Storage last year for backup for non-quickie access such as Media and Photos.

I already got a HDD Caddy to replace my Optical Drive and I intend to purchase WD 2.5" Blue 1TB together with Caddy. It is an inexpensive way to solve Storage issue for the mean time. However, another part of me hesitated and hope to get a full-capable NAS such as Synology for solving Storage for the next 5 years, at least. NAS is expensive, but its capability with Pool Storage and RAID Backup for my important Photos are worth it. But the cost is what put me Wait & See.

You may ask Why not just use any old-desktop as NAS.
Honestly, I do not have an old desktop free to be as NAS now.

Thanks you all for your time, reading or/and comment.

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post Nov 15 2013, 12:59 PM

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How long do disk drives last?

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source with graph @ http://blog.backblaze.com/2013/11/12/how-l...sk-drives-last/

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post Nov 15 2013, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(sotong168 @ Nov 15 2013, 12:59 PM)
How long do disk drives last?

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source with graph @ http://blog.backblaze.com/2013/11/12/how-l...sk-drives-last/
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Its a kind and great source from china website that share this info notworthy.gif .
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post Nov 15 2013, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(sotong168 @ Nov 15 2013, 12:59 PM)
How long do disk drives last?

source with graph @ http://blog.backblaze.com/2013/11/12/how-l...sk-drives-last/
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That's another good study to add to Google's old harddisk failure trend study released in 2007. Let's hope Google will release an updated study on the failure trends.
http://storagemojo.com/2007/02/19/googles-...ure-experience/

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post Nov 20 2013, 10:04 AM

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While storage technologies are not as fast changing as video and processor technologies, 2 new technologies - Helium and HAMR promise to multiply HDD capacity greatly.

HGST Helium Technology

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http://www.storagenewsletter.com/rubriques...-on-helium-hdd/

Availability: Server - now, desktop - planned



Fujitsu/Seagate HAMR

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http://www.gizmag.com/seagate-hamr-hard-dr...chnology/21880/

Availability: Server & desktop - Still in R&D stage




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