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post Feb 2 2012, 01:20 PM

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Hey guys take a look at this article. It clearly shows that anybody who buy HDD now are pretty much getting rip off by HDD maker.

They dont suffer any "serious" shortage anymore, just that they want to make everyone believe it so they can sell at double the price.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/storage/displ..._Shipments.html

So if u dont really need a HDD now dont buy, try to find things to delete, do a clean up on ur HDD is far better than getting rip off by HDD maker.
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post May 3 2012, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(cannavaro @ Apr 30 2012, 01:55 PM)
Another RM10 price drop for 3TB drives. Will it go below RM500 in the coming weeks?  brows.gif
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it looks to me the price of 1TB are still very high.

hopes of HDD falling back to 170 seems pretty damn hard.

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post May 3 2012, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(cannavaro @ May 3 2012, 12:28 PM)
Yup, better buy a 3TB drive instead of 1TB.

1TB x 3 = 3TB
RM279 x 3 = RM837

3TB single
RM519
Anyways, for those not in the know, read this before you grab a 3TB drive:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/235088/ever...ard_drives.html
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3TB/3 = RM173 seems about the right price.

But I would much prefer multiple drives for reliability if 1 of them fail = 1TB data gone, not 3TB smile.gif

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post May 6 2012, 07:32 AM

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QUOTE(everling @ May 5 2012, 11:12 PM)
One easy way to reduce HDD temperatures is to allow your HDDs to power off if they are idle too long. Unpowered HDDs are cool HDDs. smile.gif
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its a good choice but not wise if u on off too frequent.

I usually have a 2hours setting to turn off the entire PC, instead of just HDD only. 20mins is kinda too much, unless u know that once u leave for 20mins u wont come back for at least 2hours.

adding a case fan directly blow on it probably do much better result.

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post Nov 10 2012, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Nov 9 2012, 08:02 AM)
Um, no one replying?
For laptop, I would recommend SSD for much reliability (check SSD thread).
For HDD, there's no "reliable" in them, just take the most value and 7200rpm if you want some good response speed.
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SSD reliability is still a myth. This is a new technology, it has yet to be proven >10yrs. HDD is definitely capable to run 5-10yrs without problems. I have 10 of them over 5yrs old, 2 out of the 10 is already >10yrs old.

SSD? they still need to prove themselves first b4 only to claim more reliable than HDD. SSD more reliable in theory only, in real world will be diff story, dont be so quick to jump into marketing gimmick tongue.gif

I say stick to HDD until SSD price get lower. Thanks to Windows 8, now ur boot time isnt an issue anymore. tongue.gif

I tested on an very old 80GB WD sata 1 HDD. win8 boot <30 secs

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post Nov 11 2012, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(-oc-gassa @ Nov 11 2012, 06:38 PM)
for me ssd more reliable since no moving part which especially good when  moving the storage.. as for HDD alway fear when moving it although not alot...HDD have been here long time already.. mature enuf .. although SSD is catching up.. but all of it this all electronic part whether SSD or HDD..never know when they will die.. warranty just temporary luck...hehe.. u say new win 8 make HDD more faster...stilll me smiling writing this using SSD coz not onli boot up fas ..alll is fast..easy example is try decompress 1gb winrar file using SSD and HDD...u can see big gap actually..
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u do decompress every day/every hour?

win8 does make boot time fast, not make HDD do everything else fast.

ssd more reliable in theory only, yet to be proven in long term testing biggrin.gif
QUOTE(jchue73 @ Nov 11 2012, 08:29 PM)
I got the impression that SV35 warranty is 3 years and the new warranty for the normal Barracuda is 2 years...
Was looking high and low for this the other time. Which shop in Lowyat? Planned to buy these external drives and rip them out to use them as NAS drives. Since they were not available and the WD Red drives popped up, decided to go with that instead.
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warranty length does have an indirect clue about if the HDD is more realiable than those have shorter warranty. But still very subjective.

My personal experience with 80GB WD(3yrs) and a Seagate 80GB HDD(5yrs), both of them are same age, running everyday till today, but it seems the WD starting to show problems after show many yrs of running.

So it is safe to say the HDD these days *generally have lesser QC then those with 3yrs b4 the flood. sad.gif

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post Nov 12 2012, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(darkskies @ Nov 11 2012, 09:59 PM)
Consumers weren't fools either. We are very well awared that the quality WD and Seagate been producing after the flood is unreliable.
That's why warranty wise triumph over anything else. These manufacturers knew it too. It's them who move us to their direction.

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Which is a reason why they are reducing the warranty duration. Themselves arent even confidence enough to have large enough quantity HDD making pass 3yrs test without problems. Reducing the warranty would mean those who pass the 1 to 2 yrs QC test will sold as product. Thus improving the yield to keep up the supply with the demand, it is an easy way out to increase supply without add production capacity + cutting the cost + more profit, this is just business. tongue.gif At the end of the day it is the consumer are suffering, this is already dualpoly business. I am going to see how long they can sustain this kind of dualpoly. It seems they are "helping" the SSD adoption rate cool2.gif
QUOTE(dma0991 @ Nov 11 2012, 10:36 PM)
It's the method that SSDs read and write that causes the NAND chips to fail after some time. The method is applicable to all current SSDs and it will not change unless there is a new method of storing bits.

SSDs wear out as you use them but the amount of read/write that you would have to do is a lot before it shows fatigue. Just to give you an example of how much of read/write must be done, go here. This should pretty much sum up that SSDs are quite reliable in the long term as this test emulates unrealistic amounts of read/write that a normal user will do throughout the lifespan of the SSD.
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they are still tuning firmware as we speak now. SSD technology may be a lot more reliable these days than a few years ago. The benchmark are not showing any data in mass quantity testing for >10yrs. short term hard test =/= long testing. That why I said in theory they "should" be more reliable. brows.gif

So I dont think I will be the one to be soo quick to jump to say "SSD is definite more reliable than HDD". IMO there are still a grey line between these 2 storage technologies on long term realiabilty. rolleyes.gif

u are right about the increase density of the HDD might have the impact of its reliability, we do not know if they could last as long as the old ones but it is still a >40yrs old technology that is proven.


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QUOTE(darkskies @ Nov 12 2012, 12:19 AM)
Anyway i still prefer HDD over SSD. How fast to load my application or boot up windows doesnt make a diff . I'm too poor to afford this kind of riches. At least my current setup could store 4tb loads of "ahem" stuff  drool.gif
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win8 + cheap RAM just suddenly make SSD less attractive then b4. Boottime is no longer the solid reason to upgrade to SDD on desktop(may be still applies on Laptop since 2.5 HDD are still rather slow). If a 80GB old HDD can do 30secs bootime, 103SJ probably can do a lot faster. how many more u think we can cut with SSD? lol.

With the price still high now, I think we still can wait them to "perfect" the technology, and may be a capacity that is not we can live without HDD @ affordable price (I think am fine with 512GB, just the price need to be a little friendlier) brows.gif

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post Nov 13 2012, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(-oc-gassa @ Nov 12 2012, 09:53 PM)
ya.. i decompress more than 1gb per day... let say boot time 10 sec.. still many app take time to load.. in hdd u cant multi task much using ur HDD.. let say unzip file while load app.. can but abit long time... Ramdisk is no permanent for solution to create caching wat u use the most.. if ram disk were good enuf nobody will buy SSD in the first place.. can get so many ram with cheap price now days.. stability issue depend on controller.. previously i used Sandforce famous BSOD issue.. yeah b4 they fix the issue i scare me lot.. then i put into lappy after RMA no issue for..then i buy Marvel controller which bit slow.. not noticeable unless u've use to Sandforce controller.. but then no issue till today...response time and speed which SSD suite me in...
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get more ram to reduce the read/write of ur SSD. I absolutely see no reason not to get enough RAM to totally turn off pagefile.

RAMdisk is useful for people who never turn off their PC. biggrin.gif

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post Nov 13 2012, 11:34 AM

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i have got 4GB-8GB RAM on my diff desktops, all of them is pagefile off, I have never had any problem for 2yrs so far.
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post Mar 13 2013, 06:30 PM

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Do we have HDD warranty beyond 5yrs?

Looking for a HDD to store Media files for very long period of time, capable to on/off cycle at least once everyday
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post Mar 14 2013, 07:25 AM

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QUOTE(everling @ Mar 13 2013, 10:55 PM)
I'm not aware of any. And even if the warranty is longer, it still won't guarantee that you won't lose your media archive. RAID or manual backups to two or more HDDs will be a good idea. There is also cloud storage, but only if you don't mind storing your media files on other people's servers - not a good idea for private and confidential files.
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My whole reason to use HDD to store my media files is to not re-download gigabytes of files when I need it. So cloud service pretty much useless to me.

Warranty length is the rough indication of the reliability of the drive. It is not like I can buy 2 WD green/blue 1TB with the price of 1 WD black HDD.

Still looking for a HDD that offer best reliability/price + best capacity, disregard of performance.

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post Nov 13 2013, 11:50 AM

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Can anybody here know which WD HDD is single platter? (single sided read head or 2 sided,please mention as well)

 

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