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post Aug 9 2012, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(jimmyyap03 @ Aug 6 2012, 04:19 PM)
Any recommend tripod within my budget RM300?


Added on August 6, 2012, 5:33 pmSound good, e mount 30mm,F1.8 coming soon on Sept

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-new-35m...for-nex-coming/
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any comment on this lens? sound good too.
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post Aug 10 2012, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(lovelyhelp @ Aug 9 2012, 06:06 PM)
any comment on this lens? sound good too.
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post Aug 10 2012, 08:31 PM

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post Aug 11 2012, 01:44 AM

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New Nex F-3 user here ...

last I checked 50mm F1.8 E-Mount selling RM 969 at Maybank Treats Fair ... with 0% installment ... XD

bought it ... but no time to try it out yet ... lol~
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post Aug 11 2012, 10:10 AM

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Speaking of rumors.... apparently you can play angry birds in your NEX soon

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-app-sup...t-like-iphones/
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post Aug 11 2012, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(Noobiba @ Aug 9 2012, 01:40 AM)
Hi bros, I bought my nex-5 + 16mm 1.5yrs ago, and I'm really disappoint and frustrated with the performance, I have dslr, and the quality from this camera is... Very bad, white balance is all off during auto (usually appeared colder) image quality is mushy, very soft.

After gone thru here maybe it's due to the inferior 16mm lens ? Ok I'm considering the 19mm sigma, any brother used this before ? And is it a lot better then the 16mm? Color wise compared to 16mm? And where is the best bargain?
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Well, even dslr bodies require MANUAL adjustments of white balance , so i believe your expectations on Nex in that criteria, was not apt enough to warrant such a criticism. If the combination did not feel right to you, then should have sent it back to Sony during the warranty period. There is some tolerance levels in manufacturing, even other brands will have and slight differences which could contribute to slightly soft images, perhaps a different manufacture date lens would have worked better for you

As of may 2011, NEX-5 was the best selling mirrorless cam in Japan, so it's no slouch. (refer BCN ranking below)
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=e...0520_20063.html

As of July 2012, NEX 5N is still within top 10 in Japan http://bcnranking.jp/category/subcategory_0008_month.html . 5N still beats NEX-7 in July.

Perhaps you can get an adapter and mount your previous dslr lens on the NEX and then only make a more fair comparison (autofocus/steadyshot may not be available)

This post has been edited by nlik: Aug 11 2012, 10:38 AM
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post Aug 11 2012, 06:12 PM

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I just got a nex f3. During image playback, my photo does not rotate automatically when I rotate my camera although I have turned on the auto rotate function. Is this normal?
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post Aug 11 2012, 07:42 PM

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i think u miss understood auto-rotate ad, auto-rotate is portrait to landscape, doesnt mean u rotate your camera then the photo will rotate as u wish.. sorry, this is not smart phone yet..
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QUOTE(weikoon @ Aug 11 2012, 07:42 PM)
i think u miss understood auto-rotate ad, auto-rotate is portrait to landscape, doesnt mean u rotate your camera then the photo will rotate as u wish.. sorry, this is not smart phone yet..
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QUOTE(Noobiba @ Aug 9 2012, 01:40 AM)
Hi bros, I bought my nex-5 + 16mm 1.5yrs ago, and I'm really disappoint and frustrated with the performance, I have dslr, and the quality from this camera is... Very bad, white balance is all off during auto (usually appeared colder) image quality is mushy, very soft.

After gone thru here maybe it's due to the inferior 16mm lens ? Ok I'm considering the 19mm sigma, any brother used this before ? And is it a lot better then the 16mm? Color wise compared to 16mm? And where is the best bargain?
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The 16mm sucks big time especially at the corner. It didn't improve even if you stop down. The kit lens is so much better!

I have a different experience on white balance, sony sensors (and in Nikon cameras) tend to be more orangy.

What is the point of 19mm f2.8 while the kit lens can do 18mm at f3.5 (2/3 stop less only)?

The only thing that keep bothering with the NEX is the tendency to underexpose your shot when low light/in door so u need to dial in compensation a lot.


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post Aug 12 2012, 02:21 PM

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Hi bro Nlik, samsungfreak,

During auto wb, my slr is much much accurate, 16mm show cold blueish color, and not pleasant at all. I lost my confident on 1855 kit lens as read from review it's not that good thats why opt for 19mm. I doesn't really fancy bout big aperture unless shooting at dark area.

16mm corner vigimetting is very serious even stop down to f/8, can't believe Sony made a prime lens like this, hehe now looking for either the sigma 19mm, or rx100, or both (hopefully), I'm shooting more on street so a compact and light camera is important for me.




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Hi Noobiba and samsungfreak,

I'm not sure if this can be used to convince you guys otherwise regarding your sentiments on the 16.. f/2.8 lens, but I don't seem to have any issues with it even with a very basic NEX3. Furthermore, as you know attaching anything to the front of any lens will definitely degrade the image quality by a fair bit however little it may be.

But do consider looking through these images in my blog and give your opinion on my so-so images... taken with NEX3 with 16mm f/2.8 lens with fisheye adapter in front.

http://williamleong.blogspot.com/2012/01/f...-singapore.html

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20120115_0130 by william leong, on Flickr

Camera Sony NEX-3
Exposure 5
Aperture f/5.6
Focal Length 16 mm
ISO Speed 200
Exposure Bias +1 EV
Flash Off, Did not fire

This post has been edited by lwliam: Aug 12 2012, 05:36 PM
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thank you for sharing william... ! Those are beautiful pictures!
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QUOTE(Noobiba @ Aug 12 2012, 02:21 PM)
Hi bro Nlik, samsungfreak,

During auto wb, my slr is much much accurate, 16mm show cold blueish color, and not pleasant at all. I lost my confident on 1855 kit lens as read from review it's not that good thats why opt for 19mm. I doesn't really fancy bout big aperture unless shooting at dark area.

16mm corner vigimetting is very serious even stop down to f/8, can't believe Sony made a prime lens like this, hehe now looking for either the sigma 19mm, or rx100, or both (hopefully), I'm shooting more on street so a compact and light camera is important for me.
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So basically, what you're saying is that you've only read about it and have not tested it personally? 16mm vignettes badly? Sorry, I don't see it. Just taken out my 16mm and tested at all apertures. Doesn't seem to affect much even when shooting on a white wall. Stopped down, yes, it does sharpen the image up.
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QUOTE(lwliam @ Aug 12 2012, 05:34 PM)
Hi Noobiba and samsungfreak,

I'm not sure if this can be used to convince you guys otherwise regarding your sentiments on the 16.. f/2.8 lens, but I don't seem to have any issues with it even with a very basic NEX3. Furthermore, as you know attaching anything to the front of any lens will definitely degrade the image quality by a fair bit however little it may be.

But do consider looking through these images in my blog and give your opinion on my so-so images... taken with NEX3 with 16mm f/2.8 lens with fisheye adapter in front.

http://williamleong.blogspot.com/2012/01/f...-singapore.html

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20120115_0130 by william leong, on Flickr

Camera Sony NEX-3
Exposure 5
Aperture f/5.6
Focal Length 16 mm
ISO Speed 200
Exposure Bias +1 EV
Flash Off, Did not fire
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Nice shot bro. The 16 is sharp at the center but very bad at the corner. The photo you show does not have corner details on right but some on the left. See how the bridge details fall off dramatically near the border. If you shoot wide open or use it with the 23mp Nex 7, it will be even worst.

This lens has no corner resolution according to Photozone.
http://www.photozone.de/sony-alpha-aps-c-l...6f28nex?start=1 Test on 16mp
http://www.photozone.de/sony_nex/728-sony16f28nex7?start=1 Test on 23mp
I have not seen anything as bad.

http://slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1346 state the same with blur index up to 7 units, something you don't see with other lenses.

The kit lens do a lot better. But still almost all Nex lenses are not very good at corner due to larger APS-C sensor, but the 16mm is simply the worst.


Added on August 12, 2012, 6:57 pm
QUOTE(lwliam @ Aug 12 2012, 06:12 PM)
So basically, what you're saying is that you've only read about it and have not tested it personally? 16mm vignettes badly? Sorry, I don't see it. Just taken out my 16mm and tested at all apertures. Doesn't seem to affect much even when shooting on a white wall. Stopped down, yes, it does sharpen the image up.
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16mm indeed vignettes badly. Photozone state it to 3EV, making it #1 in all lenses! It is the reason why the corner is not sharp because the corner don't receive much light and require vignetting correction and perceptive correction that blur it even more. I am sure you have turn on "vignetting correction" in your camera where the camera will brightened the corner for you post captured. I heard online that this setting will affect the RAW file but I cannot confirm it.

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Hi bro lwliam,

Nice photo! Before nex I shoot with my 4yrs old A200+1750, and had used to the IQ, I comparing the 1750, 17mm and nex 16mm, under similar condition, similar setting, 4yrs old a200+1750@17mm is much much at least 300% better than my 1.5yrs old nex5+16mm... In term if sharpness, details, colours, no fight at all... Only if that combination is too bulky... And to be frank, my LX-3 at 24mm seems to have better IQ than nex 16mm...

I might be unlucky and get an inferior copy, that's why looking for replacement to gain back my confidence with nex.


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If I may ask, what is the largest size photo you will be printing to? My largest is 8R/A4 size. All my images from the 16mm have no visible issue at that size. I don't mean to disrespect, but if you come up with that decision due to pixel peeping, then I really think you should deeply reconsider this issue.


Added on August 12, 2012, 9:50 pm@samsungfreak

To my defence, the photo above was shot with the fisheye adapter, and as mentioned, filters will degrade an image, what more its at the extreme edges in the mentioned image above. And it's focused at infinity, the bridge is a few meters from where I was standing, with f/5.6, the foreground will not be in full focus.

The NEX3 does not have vignette reduction in camera, and even in my post process workflow, I do not do any vignette correction. In fact, I add vignette to images more instead of taking them out. So far for the Alpha line, only the A77 has this function, and even that, only compatible lenses can utilise this function.


Added on August 12, 2012, 9:54 pm@noobiba

The 17-50 is a very sharp lens. Pancake lenses like the 16mm has its compromises to make it achieve the compact size as it is, which is by compromising maximum optical performance. Else, for an f/2.8 lens, one would expect the lens element to be huge if it to be able to perform excellent optically.

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Aug 11 2012, 10:10 AM)
Speaking of rumors.... apparently you can play angry birds in your NEX soon

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-app-sup...t-like-iphones/
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customize filters is good,other than that is not that important hmm.gif


btw, what is the your favourite function of the camera ?

my favourite is always Panorama, its the 2nd most frequently used function except IAuto biggrin.gif

Panorama shot is always lack of detail + blurry... but i still can live with it tongue.gif
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@Ah hao

Excellent pano shots! Especially the 2nd image! Encapsulates the vastness of the grounds and the cathedral by having human as a size reference.
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QUOTE(lwliam @ Aug 12 2012, 05:34 PM)
Hi Noobiba and samsungfreak,

I'm not sure if this can be used to convince you guys otherwise regarding your sentiments on the 16.. f/2.8 lens, but I don't seem to have any issues with it even with a very basic NEX3. Furthermore, as you know attaching anything to the front of any lens will definitely degrade the image quality by a fair bit however little it may be.

But do consider looking through these images in my blog and give your opinion on my so-so images... taken with NEX3 with 16mm f/2.8 lens with fisheye adapter in front.

http://williamleong.blogspot.com/2012/01/f...-singapore.html

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Camera Sony NEX-3
Exposure 5
Aperture f/5.6
Focal Length 16 mm
ISO Speed 200
Exposure Bias +1 EV
Flash Off, Did not fire
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Thanks for sharing, your photo convincing me buying that fisheye adapter. smile.gif

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